Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread ik
On 1/20/06, Bisma Jayadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not the advocacy that is needed but rather they need code for it > > to work. It says right in the article. > > I think we should stop the VB vs Pascal discussion now. It's useless since we > all here already know which is the winner. E

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Bisma Jayadi
> It's not the advocacy that is needed but rather they need code for it > to work. It says right in the article. I think we should stop the VB vs Pascal discussion now. It's useless since we all here already know which is the winner. Even Alex himself had already knew about this, no need to con

Re: [fpc-devel] Minimum installation requirements

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
What are VCL and KOL? What is the difference between the two?       Sincerely,Alex C. BarberiChief Executive OfficerVisionForcehttp://www.visionforceweb.com - Original Message - From: L505 To: FPC developers' list Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re

Re: [fpc-devel] Minimum installation requirements

2006-01-19 Thread L505
> If I wrote a program like Notepad in Delphi, what would be the minimum installation  > requirements to get the program up and  running on a computer that just had > Windows freshly installed?     If you use regular Delphi and VCL it can be anywwhere from 300-500K. If you use Delphi wit

Re: [fpc-devel] Minimum installation requirements

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
Wow! No framework or service pack installation! This is great! Sincerely, Alex C. Barberi Chief Executive Officer VisionForce http://www.visionforceweb.com - [try two] On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [fpc-devel] Minimum installation requirements

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
[try two] On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I wrote a program like Notepad in Delphi, what would be the minimum > installation requirements to get the program up and running on a computer > that just had Windows freshly installed? Windows 95+ (Including all series). That´s

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread ik
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the info; I don't find that to be a big problem though. The > reason it executes the control automatically is because a lot of custom > controls have design features added to their Load function and you would > want to see these visual

[fpc-devel] Minimum installation requirements

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
If I wrote a program like Notepad in Delphi, what would be the minimum installation requirements to get the program up and running on a computer that just had Windows freshly installed?     Sincerely,Alex C. BarberiChief Executive OfficerVisionForcehttp://www.visionforceweb.com __

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
Thanks for the info; I don't find that to be a big problem though. The reason it executes the control automatically is because a lot of custom controls have design features added to their Load function and you would want to see these visual changes on your form. Sincerely, Alex C. Barberi Chi

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread ik
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or > > VB.NET > > goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to advocate > > Pascal > > right now, this informa

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: [fpc-deve] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread L505
It's not the advocacy that is needed but rather they need code for it to work. It says right in the article. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: [fpc-deve] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exactly! And a very nice one at that! Look at MSDN. Well, then, all help is appreciated ^^ thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://list

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: [fpc-deve] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Exactly! And a very nice one at that! Look at MSDN. Well, then, all help is appreciated ^^ thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: [fpc-deve] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
- Original Message - From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC developers' list" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-devel] Re: [fpc-deve] PR: Advocates needed On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyway I could turn this

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: [fpc-deve] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway I could turn this newsgroup into something > http://msdn.microsoft.com/newsgroups if you people wanted. Are you proposing that you create a web-reading tool for this newsgroup? If not ... they I did not understand this... -- Felipe Mont

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
Yes, I never use VB6. But VB.NET is much more powerful, and programs can be created in it in half the time. I don't understand what you mean by "very scary features." VB is now obsolete and it´s code doesn´t work on VB.NET. What will you do when Microsoft also drop VB.NET?? They really like to

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
> Yes, I never use VB6. But VB.NET is much more powerful, and programs can be > created in it in half the time. I don't understand what you mean by "very > scary features." VB is now obsolete and it´s code doesn´t work on VB.NET. What will you do when Microsoft also drop VB.NET?? They really like

[fpc-devel] Re: [fpc-deve] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
Oh well, you people have beat me down. No more VB.NET stuff (but uh, Daniel, you must be thinking of VB6; VB.NET is much different).   Anyway I could turn this newsgroup into something http://msdn.microsoft.com/newsgroups if you people wanted.     Alex C. Barberi

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or VB.NET > goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to advocate Pascal > right now, this information doesn't help you any. The first programming language I learne

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Florian Klaempfl
VisionForce wrote: > Well that's interesting, I didn't know that. How is that so? I mean, > what makes it less error prone? The syntax and semantics of language can be designed in a way to avoid common mistakes and reduce debugging time. > Isn't it the programmer? The language can help the pro

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or VB.NET goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to advocate Pascal right now, this information doesn't help you any. Yes it does, if you can provide the main

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006, schreef VisionForce: > Well that's interesting, I didn't know that. How is that so? I mean, what > makes it less error prone? Isn't it the programmer? An important issue is that you don't need tricks to accomplish things, i.e. in VB as soon as you start to call handleevent

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006, schreef Florian Klaempfl: > VisionForce wrote: > > You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or > > VB.NET goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to > > advocate Pascal right now, this information doesn't help you any. > > Well, my

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or VB.NET goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to advocate Pascal right now, this information doesn't help you any. The last time I used VB (version 6), it

[fpc-devel] Internal error 200501051

2006-01-19 Thread Francesco Lombardi
Trying to compile this code procedure SystemCall(n: integer); assembler; inline; asm MOVR0, R0, LSL #0x10 SWIR0 end; I get this internal error 200501051 on the '#' character. Is it an error in my code or it is a compiler related issue? ___

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or VB.NET > goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to advocate Pascal > right now, this information doesn't help you any. Yes it does, if you can provide the mai

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread ik
On 1/19/06, VisionForce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or VB.NET > goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to advocate Pascal > right now, this information doesn't help you any. The last time I used VB (version 6), it

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
Well that's interesting, I didn't know that. How is that so? I mean, what makes it less error prone? Isn't it the programmer? VisionForce wrote: You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or VB.NET goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to advocate Pas

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Florian Klaempfl
VisionForce wrote: > You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or > VB.NET goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to > advocate Pascal right now, this information doesn't help you any. Well, my personal experience is, that in total Delphi/Object Pascal is

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 1/19/06, Paul Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does Python have any IDE comparable with lazarus? > > Does Python run as fast as FPC? We already know that! You need to tell this to the TurboCash guys :-) -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
You all may hate me after I say this, but creating software in VB or VB.NET goes very, very quickly. But I guess since you're trying to advocate Pascal right now, this information doesn't help you any. Sincerely, Alex C. Barberi Chief Executive Officer VisionForce http://www.visionforceweb.com

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Micha Nelissen
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:06:57 +0100 Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please check if it appears on other news sites and please guard the sites > > mentioned for "Pascal is a language for noobs"-like trolling. > > Does Python have any IDE comparable with lazarus? Boa constructor II

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread ik
On 1/19/06, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniël Mantione wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Check this... > > > > http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/09/1647217 > > > > ... huge accounting program. Formerly propietary, now GPL, that is in need > > from porting from Delphi t

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Paul Davidson
On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:06, Florian Klaempfl wrote: Daniël Mantione wrote: Hello, Check this... http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/09/1647217 ... huge accounting program. Formerly propietary, now GPL, that is in need from porting from Delphi to Free Pascal to become true f

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Daniël Mantione wrote: > Hello, > > Check this... > > http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/09/1647217 > > ... huge accounting program. Formerly propietary, now GPL, that is in need > from porting from Delphi to Free Pascal to become true free software. > > The only problem is, t

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
I took the flag and posted an article with a successfull linux port with Lazarus on their Google Developers group: http://groups.google.com.br/group/TurboCASH?lnk=li -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Vincent Snijders
Bisma Jayadi wrote: > Hey! The writter of that article is clearly pro-Python! By the way... currently I'm working on a dictionary application (Indonesian-English and vice versa) using FPC/Lazarus, also a convertion from Delphi. Can I put this project of mine on FPC site? On which section?

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Bisma Jayadi
Thank you, Daniël. As soon as I got an account on SourceForge for my project, I'll contact FPC site webmaster. :) Regards, -Bee- has Bee.ography at http://beeography.blogsome.com Daniël Mantione wrote: I plan to continue work on the gallery soon, I think it would be nice to have it there, o

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Bisma Jayadi
TurboCASH FPC convertion project will be a good start to prove the power of FPC/Lazarus. Though it requires highly skilled developers -since it's a big and complex application-, some FPC experts has to take this chance. I believe lots of FPC fans will contribute to this project. :) Regards, -

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006, schreef Bisma Jayadi: > By the way... currently I'm working on a dictionary application > (Indonesian-English and vice versa) using FPC/Lazarus, also a convertion from > Delphi. Can I put this project of mine on FPC site? On which section? Whom I > should contact? Thanks. I

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 19 jan 2006, at 13:36, VisionForce wrote: On the other hand, they might hate it because they're afraid it's going to take over their language. I think it's mainly prejudice and ignorance. And many Pascal advocates are guilty of exactly the same thing when it comes to other languages..

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread VisionForce
The only reason those people think Pascal is bad is because it's been around for so long; they don't realize that it's maturing. On the other hand, they might hate it because they're afraid it's going to take over their language. Sincerely, Alex C. Barberi Chief Executive Officer VisionForce

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Bisma Jayadi
> Hey! The writter of that article is clearly pro-Python! I wonder... why most developers still think negatively about (object) Pascal? Don't they ever heard about Delphi (in propietary world) or the great FPC (in FLOSS world)? NO matter how good Delphi or FPC is, they still talking about the

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Vincent Snijders
Daniël Mantione wrote: Hello, Check this... http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/09/1647217 ... huge accounting program. Formerly propietary, now GPL, that is in need from porting from Delphi to Free Pascal to become true free software. The only problem is, they are not only c

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006, schreef Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho: > On 1/19/06, Daniël Mantione <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/09/1647217 > > Hey! The writter of that article is clearly pro-Python! Yes... > There is a lot > of personal oppinion in th

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 1/19/06, Daniël Mantione <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/09/1647217 Hey! The writter of that article is clearly pro-Python! There is a lot of personal oppinion in that article. What kind of approach you were thinking at to talk to the authors of t

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006, schreef Micha Nelissen: > Daniël Mantione wrote: > > ... huge accounting program. Formerly propietary, now GPL, that is in > > need from porting from Delphi to Free Pascal to become true free > > software. > > > > The only problem is, they are not only considering Free Pasc

Re: [fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Micha Nelissen
Daniël Mantione wrote: ... huge accounting program. Formerly propietary, now GPL, that is in need from porting from Delphi to Free Pascal to become true free software. The only problem is, they are not only considering Free Pascal, but also Python. What functionality are they using from the

[fpc-devel] PR: Advocates needed

2006-01-19 Thread Daniël Mantione
Hello, Check this... http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/09/1647217 ... huge accounting program. Formerly propietary, now GPL, that is in need from porting from Delphi to Free Pascal to become true free software. The only problem is, they are not only considering Free Pascal, b

Re: [fpc-devel] about realtime tasks

2006-01-19 Thread Stefan Kisdaroczi
Am Thursday 19 January 2006 09:24 schrieb Florian Klaempfl: > Stefan Kisdaroczi wrote: > > Am Wednesday 18 January 2006 12:06 schrieb Vinzent Hoefler: > >>On Wednesday 18 January 2006 10:30, Stefan Kisdaroczi wrote: > > > > ... > > > >>>When I include cthreads and (manually?) initialize the ThreadM

Re: [fpc-devel] about realtime tasks

2006-01-19 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Stefan Kisdaroczi wrote: > Am Wednesday 18 January 2006 12:06 schrieb Vinzent Hoefler: > >>On Wednesday 18 January 2006 10:30, Stefan Kisdaroczi wrote: > > ... > >>>When I include cthreads and (manually?) initialize the ThreadManager, >>>would it be ok ? >> >>I think you should "simply" write a

Re: [fpc-devel] about realtime tasks

2006-01-19 Thread Stefan Kisdaroczi
Am Wednesday 18 January 2006 12:06 schrieb Vinzent Hoefler: > On Wednesday 18 January 2006 10:30, Stefan Kisdaroczi wrote: ... > > When I include cthreads and (manually?) initialize the ThreadManager, > > would it be ok ? > > I think you should "simply" write and install your own thread manager > b