Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-18 Thread Tomas Hajny
On Tue, September 18, 2018 03:52, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 9/17/2018 3:42 PM, Tomas Hajny wrote: >> P.S.: As probably well-known, especially to people using Internet as >> long as some of our subscribers, writing words in uppercase is considered >> as an equivalent of shouting and thus not very polit

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Ralf Quint
On 9/17/2018 3:42 PM, Tomas Hajny wrote: P.S.: As probably well-known, especially to people using Internet as long as some of our subscribers, writing words in uppercase is considered as an equivalent of shouting and thus not very polite. Please, stick to polite communication on this list (and pr

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Tomas Hajny
On Mon, September 17, 2018 19:40, Alexander via fpc-devel wrote: Dear Alexander, >> In fact, you SHOULD use native OS widgets > > I SHOULD ??? Not-not. I NOT SHOULD something in > principle. > > In GNU/Linux Core and widgets is independent. . . As already correctly pointed out by others, this

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, wkitt...@windstream.net said: > > See about dependent Lazarus: GTK widgets. GTK is C widgets, but not native > > Pascal widgets. > > AFAIK, the term "native" is about OS widget look... not about language vs > language... It is not just look, but also feel. IOW that the k

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Ralf Quint
On 9/17/2018 10:40 AM, Alexander via fpc-devel wrote: In fact, you SHOULD use native OS widgets I SHOULD ??? Not-not. I NOT SHOULD something in principle. In GNU/Linux Core and widgets is independent. "Native" (dictate) "widgets" is only in Windows. It bad OS and relegate delete. GNU/Linux is

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Alexander via fpc-devel
> In fact, you SHOULD use native OS widgets I SHOULD ??? Not-not. I NOT SHOULD something in principle. In GNU/Linux Core and widgets is independent. "Native" (dictate) "widgets" is only in Windows. It bad OS and relegate delete. GNU/Linux is infinity more power OS, than Windows. I known cross-

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread wkitty42
On 09/17/2018 02:20 AM, Alexander via fpc-devel wrote: I obtain lazarus_1_8_4 sources and make it. See about dependent Lazarus: GTK widgets. GTK is C widgets, but not native Pascal widgets. AFAIK, the term "native" is about OS widget look... not about language vs language... -- NOTE: No o

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Ralf Quint
On 9/17/2018 6:08 AM, Alexander via fpc-devel wrote: Why not allowed ? Here resolve future of FPC. Currently good and full resolved only console part of FreePascal. Need graphics. Desintegrate community is not way for resolve this problems. If need then integrate here xorg, kernel, rms develo

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018, Alexander via fpc-devel wrote: Why not allowed ? Because MSEide+MSEgui is a different project. Free Pascal makes a compiler. Not a GUI. You can use the compiler to make a GUI and a RAD IDE, but this is not the goal of the FPC team. There are other teams who focus on t

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Alexander via fpc-devel
Why not allowed ? Here resolve future of FPC. Currently good and full resolved only console part of FreePascal. Need graphics. Desintegrate community is not way for resolve this problems. If need then integrate here xorg, kernel, rms developers until problem is not resolved. Not separate. On

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Martin Schreiber
Hi Alexander, It is not allowed to discuss MSEide+MSEgui themes here. I will answer on the MSEide+MSEgui mailing list: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/lists/mseide-msegui-talk Archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net/ Martin _

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Alexander via fpc-devel
Hi Martin, 1. On my computer with free drivers **working all soft** exclude MSE. 2. Non free dirivers is not drivers. Not needed. 3. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69543 developers dont known Pascal and MSE :) 4. May be problem MSE on this drivers from **network** and **time delay**

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-17 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
On 17/09/18 06:30, Alexander via fpc-devel wrote: I obtain lazarus_1_8_4 sources and make it.See about dependent Lazarus: GTK widgets. GTK is C widgets, but not native Pascal widgets. MSE have independent widgets. I want have RAD IDE, not just IDE. This is advantage Pascal over C. GTK is a /

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-16 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Monday 17 September 2018 05:51:17 Alexander via fpc-devel wrote: > I try use of MSEide,gui beforehand Lasarus, but excellent result not get. > > Lasarus use non native for FPC widgets, MSE non stable work. > Can you be more specific? Reproducible MSEide+MSEgui bugs are normally fixed in hours

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-16 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018, Alexander via fpc-devel wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:52:24 +0200 Sven Barth via fpc-devel wrote: Alexander via fpc-devel schrieb am Mo., 17. Sep. 2018, 07:20: > Lasarus use non native for FPC widgets, MSE non stable work. > Huh? Please explain that. Lazarus is *th

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-16 Thread Alexander via fpc-devel
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:52:24 +0200 Sven Barth via fpc-devel wrote: > Alexander via fpc-devel schrieb am Mo., > 17. Sep. 2018, 07:20: > > > Lasarus use non native for FPC widgets, MSE non stable work. > > > > Huh? Please explain that. Lazarus is *the* example for using native widgets > and is

Re: [fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-16 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-devel
Alexander via fpc-devel schrieb am Mo., 17. Sep. 2018, 07:20: > Lasarus use non native for FPC widgets, MSE non stable work. > Huh? Please explain that. Lazarus is *the* example for using native widgets and is one of the points the authors of MSE and fpGUI complain about with the LCL. Regards,

[fpc-devel] Graphical RAD IDE in FPC

2018-09-16 Thread Alexander via fpc-devel
Hi, I try use of MSEide,gui beforehand Lasarus, but excellent result not get. Lasarus use non native for FPC widgets, MSE non stable work. Console FPC excellent work, but without graphics. Need more attention for RAD graphical environments from side FPC developers. Author MSE say that bad some