Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-03-11 Thread Vittorio Giovara
Hi all, So some time has passed, do you think we could reach an agreement on the GSoC collaboration? We have to submit our application by the end of this month but I would like to set up a tentative schedule beforehand. Can we work on this together? Vittorio Sent from my iPad Mini On

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-21 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Jonas Maebe jonas.ma...@elis.ugent.bewrote: On 10 Feb 2013, at 22:32, Vittorio Giovara wrote: What about (d) is this project feasible? If not, is it can you split in (parallel) sub projects so that more people can tackle it? I really don't know whether it

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-11 Thread Sven Barth
On 10.02.2013 23:04, Marco van de Voort wrote: I never spent more than an evening on the test though, since I rather get rid of all the mingw parts instead (think fpmake here) This might be the best. Let's see that fpmake can handle all that and then get rid of the remaining tool

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-11 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 11 Feb 2013, at 09:45, Sven Barth wrote: On 10.02.2013 23:04, Marco van de Voort wrote: I never spent more than an evening on the test though, since I rather get rid of all the mingw parts instead (think fpmake here) This might be the best. Let's see that fpmake can handle all that and

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-11 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Jonas Maebe said: I never spent more than an evening on the test though, since I rather get rid of all the mingw parts instead (think fpmake here) This might be the best. Let's see that fpmake can handle all that and then get rid of the remaining tool

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-11 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Jonas Maebe said: Then we would still have the problem of the outdated tools. Maybe we could write Pascal based substitutes for them that only need to handle the cases of compiler/rtl compilation... The only problem I'm aware of is cp copying the read-only

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-11 Thread Sven Barth
Am 11.02.2013 11:47, schrieb Marco van de Voort: In our previous episode, Jonas Maebe said: Then we would still have the problem of the outdated tools. Maybe we could write Pascal based substitutes for them that only need to handle the cases of compiler/rtl compilation... The only problem

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-11 Thread Tomas Hajny
On Mon, February 11, 2013 10:04, Sven Barth wrote: On 11.02.2013 09:55, Jonas Maebe wrote: On 11 Feb 2013, at 09:45, Sven Barth wrote: On 10.02.2013 23:04, Marco van de Voort wrote: I never spent more than an evening on the test though, since I rather get rid of all the mingw parts instead

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Vittorio Giovara
Indeed, a fpc-js code generator would have a rather limited use. A LLVM backend instead could be use on many more levels, and for example could improve (or replace) the compilation process on iOS. Plus I would like that this collaboration would be about something that could be useful for many

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Am 10.02.2013 15:23, schrieb Vittorio Giovara: Indeed, a fpc-js code generator would have a rather limited use. A LLVM backend instead could be use on many more levels, and for example could improve (or replace) the compilation process on iOS. Improve in which regard? Experience showed that

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Am 10.02.2013 15:23, schrieb Vittorio Giovara: Indeed, a fpc-js code generator would have a rather limited use. A LLVM backend instead could be use on many more levels, and for example Not to mention that I estimate that full llvm support with debugging and extending llvm to support

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On 10/feb/2013, at 15:58, Florian Klaempfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 10.02.2013 15:23, schrieb Vittorio Giovara: Indeed, a fpc-js code generator would have a rather limited use. A LLVM backend instead could be use on many more levels, and for example could improve (or replace) the

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 10 Feb 2013, at 20:12, Vittorio Giovara wrote: The iOS experience could be improved in many ways, for example in Xcode you cannot set a breakpoint and when you do so with gdb all you get is an assembly viewer I don't remember ever hearing about this or seeing a bug report about this.

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 10.02.2013 20:12, schrieb Vittorio Giovara: Well the existence of external tools is what has allowed technology to foster and advance, In a perfect world, with unlimited cpu resources, yes. eg have some common grounds and entry points... Your (limited) example is not exactly perfect,

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Vittorio Giovara said: Well the existence of external tools is what has allowed technology to foster and advance, eg have some common grounds and entry points... Your (limited) example is not exactly perfect, the tools that fpc bundle on windows are often outdated and

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 10 Feb 2013, at 21:07, Marco van de Voort wrote: Note though that one of the reasons why FPC tools are old is because they are the most up to date mingw versions. Before they abandonned the tools we were using, and set up everything in MSYS. At least the mingw binutils are still

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Sven Barth
On 10.02.2013 21:29, Jonas Maebe wrote: On 10 Feb 2013, at 21:07, Marco van de Voort wrote: Note though that one of the reasons why FPC tools are old is because they are the most up to date mingw versions. Before they abandonned the tools we were using, and set up everything in MSYS. At

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Henry Vermaak
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:08:29PM +0100, Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Jonas Maebe said: Note though that one of the reasons why FPC tools are old is because they are the most up to date mingw versions. Before they abandonned the tools we were using, and set up

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Jonas Maebe jonas.ma...@elis.ugent.bewrote: On 10 Feb 2013, at 20:12, Vittorio Giovara wrote: The iOS experience could be improved in many ways, for example in Xcode you cannot set a breakpoint and when you do so with gdb all you get is an assembly viewer

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Henry Vermaak said: Sven already replied, but roughly in the coreutils package. (the former findutils and diffutils iirc) Sorry if this is a daft question, but can't you use the msys coreutils? Or do they have some limitation? IIRC they were less adapted to

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-10 Thread Henry Vermaak
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:04:59PM +0100, Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Henry Vermaak said: Sven already replied, but roughly in the coreutils package. (the former findutils and diffutils iirc) Sorry if this is a daft question, but can't you use the msys

[fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-09 Thread Vittorio Giovara
Hi all, I'm one of the developer of Hedgewars, an open source video game all written with FreePascal. Please see the full site at http://www.hedgewars.org/ One of the Hedgewars project is to make a WebGL/Javascript version of the game so that it can run in a browser. To do that we are using a

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, Vittorio Giovara wrote: Hi all, I'm one of the developer of Hedgewars, an open source video game all written with FreePascal. Please see the full site at http://www.hedgewars.org/ One of the Hedgewars project is to make a WebGL/Javascript version of the game so that it

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-09 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 09.02.2013 03:13, schrieb Vittorio Giovara: To do that we are using a tool named 'emscripten' which takes LLVM bytecode and generates Javascript, without affecting performance too much. Yes, we had to write a horribly hacked converter that took the small subset of Pascal used by Hedgewars

Re: [fpc-devel] Summer of code collaboration

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 09.02.2013 03:13, schrieb Vittorio Giovara: To do that we are using a tool named 'emscripten' which takes LLVM bytecode and generates Javascript, without affecting performance too much. Yes, we had to write a horribly hacked converter that took