Am 17.07.2015 um 11:53 schrieb Sven Barth:
>
> Modes are per-unit anyway. So even if the Generics.Collection would only in
> this proposed mode you
> would still be able to use it in other modes (at least if generics are
> supported, e.g. for ISO
In ISO mode the uses keyword is turned off, so
In our previous episode, Maciej Izak said:
>
> Anyway during working on compiler if some language elements "oxygene
> flavored" are not so complex and can be added "ad hoc", IMO they should be
> added.
I think you'll find the need for ARC or GC on every feature you implement.
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Am Friday 17 July 2015 21:23:58 schrieb Maciej Izak:
litle OT:
>. When Barry Kelly left company, AFAIK somewhere after XE2 times
> they hired NEW compiler team in Romania to cut costs...
Rudi and Nick are still active in the Newsgroups there so no hope is lost ;)
They will tell us all the time that
2015-07-17 9:00 GMT+02:00 Maciej Izak :
> New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
>
Btw. More 2009-XE2 compatibility level is minimum (best times for Delphi
language when Barry Kelly was on the Embarcadero board). This is start
point, and solid base to introducing new important improv
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Maciej Izak wrote:
> 2015-07-17 17:44 GMT+02:00 Paul van Helden
>
> The world is looking for a new language. That is why we recently got
> Google's Go and Apple's Swift. I believe a modern and clean dialect of
> Object Pascal has a "leg-up" on both of these.
>
I'
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Maciej Izak wrote:
> Proposed mode is not proposed as default pascal mode. You are safe :P. You
> will be able to using classic pascal forever. So what is the problem?
>
Is it better to spend compiler-development time to such staff as improving
compiler speed, ge
2015-07-17 17:44 GMT+02:00 Paul van Helden
>
> Veteran Pascal programmer here...
>
> I haven't really started using it yet, but I read through the whole
> Oxygene documentation the other day. (Didn't take long ;-) )
>
> The Oxygene dialect is absolutely beautiful in my opinion. Lots of things
> in
2015-07-17 19:32 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Boyarintsev :
> What's the point of waiting FPC update then?
>
Isn't it better just to stop using FPC, convert the source code to Oxygen
> and use Oxygene instead?
>
> When all new syntax features are added to default pascal mode, I'll have
> to patch the compile
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Paul van Helden
wrote:
> The Oxygene dialect is absolutely beautiful in my opinion. Lots of things
> in there that I've been wanting for decades and many stupid things dropped
> completely. Silly example: var declarations when you need them like C.
>
> So wi
Am 17.07.2015 um 09:36 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Maciej Izak wrote:
2015-07-17 9:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Van Canneyt:
I think you better choose some more neutral name: GenPas or so.
IMO GenPas is good name.
I have my moments of inspiration ;)
You are
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:09 PM, silvioprog wrote:
>
> I don't know if a new dialect would be widely accepted by all developers
> (specially veteran pascal programmers), but if it could become things more
> practical and more productive, I would be in favor of just "{$ mode
> ObjPas}". =)
>
>
Vet
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Maciej Izak wrote:
> New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
>
> Is any way to get branch for new pascal dialect and for
> generics.collections improvements? For me ObjFPC is too much conservative
> and Delphi after XE2 version, really sucks, so $MODE
>
> If delphi has a unit called "generics.collections" and then we introduce a
> unit with the same name, it should have the same interface and
> functionality (except where not possible due to cross-platform concerns
> etc).
>
Same interface and functionality is priority of the library. But it's
Maciej Izak wrote:
2015-07-17 15:03 GMT+02:00 Marco van de Voort:
IMHO the whole point of generics.collections is that its usage is Delphi
compatible.
Not at all. Big part of interface is compatible. It's good designed. FPC
Generics.Collections implementation is very different and exten
2015-07-17 15:03 GMT+02:00 Marco van de Voort:
> IMHO the whole point of generics.collections is that its usage is Delphi
> compatible.
Not at all. Big part of interface is compatible. It's good designed. FPC
Generics.Collections implementation is very different and extended.
Delphi "Generics.C
In our previous episode, Maciej Izak said:
> > Do you mean your Generics.Collections would compile only with the new mode?
> > Sounds very bad to me.
> >
>
> Using the Generics.Collections does not impose the use of {$MODE GenPas}.
>
> I am working on set of MODESWITCHs. As mentioned above in my
2015-07-17 11:33 GMT+02:00 Juha Manninen:
> Do you mean your Generics.Collections would compile only with the new mode?
> Sounds very bad to me.
>
Using the Generics.Collections does not impose the use of {$MODE GenPas}.
I am working on set of MODESWITCHs. As mentioned above in my previous e-mai
@Michal, @Marco
Right, I will start from set of MODESWITCHs.
2015-07-17 9:59 GMT+02:00 Marco van de Voort:
> Modern is a very vague term, and more a matter of taste.
But what does it actually prohibit ? Not agreeing with Delphi design
choices is as old as Delphi itself.
Subjective matter. M
Am 17.07.2015 11:33 schrieb "Juha Manninen" :
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Maciej Izak wrote:
> > New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
>
> Do you mean your Generics.Collections would compile only with the new
mode?
> Sounds very bad to me.
Modes are per-unit anyway. So eve
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Maciej Izak wrote:
> New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Do you mean your Generics.Collections would compile only with the new mode?
Sounds very bad to me.
Juha
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In our previous episode, Maciej Izak said:
> New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Modern is a very vague term, and more a matter of taste.
> Is any way to get branch for new pascal dialect and for
> generics.collections improvements? For me ObjFPC is too much conservative
> and De
On 07/17/2015 09:00 AM, Maciej Izak wrote:
I think is good idea to discuss new dialect.
The Code-aware String implementation could be much better than as well
in Delphi as in fpc, but this only makes sense when the TStrings type
(and it's descendents) and the interface to many libraries are d
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Maciej Izak wrote:
2015-07-17 9:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Van Canneyt:
I think you better choose some more neutral name: GenPas or so.
IMO GenPas is good name.
I have my moments of inspiration ;)
You are free to do so, no-one will stop you. Your work will s
2015-07-17 9:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Van Canneyt:
>
> I think you better choose some more neutral name: GenPas or so.
>
IMO GenPas is good name.
> You are free to do so, no-one will stop you. Your work will surely be
> integrated.
>
> But I advise against it: The Pascal community is splintered as
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Maciej Izak wrote:
New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Is any way to get branch for new pascal dialect and for generics.collections
improvements? For me ObjFPC is too much conservative and Delphi after XE2
version, really sucks, so $MODE Delphi is not
op
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