Re: [fpc-other] It’s easy to judge
On 4/26/2023 7:58 AM, HSN via fpc-other wrote: It’s easy to judge a person you don’t know doing a job you don’t want in a place you have never been to from propaganda of crusading strangers who showed up recently. Just stop it... Ralf ___ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org https://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other
Re: [fpc-other] I thought it was going to get better, but no
On 4/27/23 01:07, HSN via fpc-other wrote: Thank you so much for your concerns Jacob, advocating for the “rights” of pascal developers. That is so kind of you. How long have you been here? A month? Now that definitely takes dedication.. Please take your “help” elsewhere.The people in the channels that I manage don’t want you around can you guess why? Don’t bother trying to sneak in under a new name to spy on us either. I’ve made a private channel for all discussions of any significance . You have helped rid #fpc of two useless lurkers who never contributed anything and I commend you for that. ^^^ This sounds like paranoia to me. Now let’s have a look at your non existent code shall we? Please tell the nice people here about that Fpc not using “&” Instead of “and” problem of yours and that precious “code“ that can’t be defiled by being fixed to work properly with fpc... The code we are using is built with an old Pascal compiler called Pascal/MT+, its an old compiler from around 1983. Again, the code is proprietary, I don't own it, the company I work for does, so I cannot just simply upload it to some public place. If "Joanna" would bother to look in the manual here http://www.cpm.z80.de/manuals/MTplusMan.pdf and look on page 40, "4.3 Logical Expressions", him/her/it would see that the compiler uses C-style operators, like "&", for doing bitwise operations. There are more incompatibilities compared to what fpc can currently parse, like the placement of the "external" keyword, the syntax for units (Pascal/MT+ calls them "modules"), the fact that local variables are *not* allocated on the stack by default, etc. We are considering patching fpc to support a "Pascal/MT+" mode, but so far we've made good enough progress by automatically converting the sources with perl scripts to a dialect of Pascal that fpc can parse. And frankly, although "Joanna" doesn't actually represent fpc development in any way, the encounter with him/her/it has not been in favor of us contributing back to fpc, I'm sorry to say. Jacob ___ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org https://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other
Re: [fpc-other] It’s easy to judge
On 2023-04-26 16:58, HSN via fpc-other wrote: . . https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,63036.msg477096.html#msg477096 It’s easy to judge a person you don’t know doing a job you don’t want in a place you have never been to from propaganda of crusading strangers who showed up recently. I'm sorry, but what's the point of bringing references to these forum discussions here? To show that discussion in one communication channel is similar to discussion here? It's easy to label everybody not agreeing with you as being influenced by propaganda or by trolls, or whatever - much easier than facing the arguments, right? If your accusation of authors of certain messages being bots becomes indefensible, you come up with a theory that the same nick might be shared by a bot and a real person - really? In your updated rules, you assign yourself the right to judge whether a lurker is a honest Pascal programmer, or a stranger with unclear intentions. Not by their actions, but simply due to the fact that you cannot track their history and they are not willing to answer your "entrance admitting questions" about their history. History of other people should be considered their private thing. Current actions is what counts. If these actions are clearly breaking the defined channel rules, it's appropriate to warn the person performing these actions and possibly ban him/her if the warning doesn't help. As simple as that. Note that this is my last post directly participating in this discussion. Tomas ___ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org https://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other
[fpc-other] Revised rules for #fpc IRC channel on Libera
I have amended the published #fpc channel rules as follows: 1. Purpose -> The #fpc channel is for people who use and/or develop software using fpc and/or Lazarus ide or Pascal related languages to create projects. It is a place to give and receive technical support and advice with regards to developing software using the pascal programming language. Channel members are also welcome to talk about their projects, share code and/or show off their repositories If they wish as a source of inspiration for others. 2.Pascal -> Channel members are required to have at least beginner level proficiency in pascal language so that they can understand what is happening and participate. People who don’t know pascal can type “/topic #pascal” to access the resources in topic. 3.Joining-> The #fpc channel requires users to be logged into account to enter, however I can add your IP address to the invite list so that you can join without an account if you prefer.. 4.Introduction -> Please tell me who are and how you found channel when you join. It makes my life a lot easier. I don’t want to accidentally ban you because of some misunderstanding. If you wish to be discrete and use a nickname that nobody else knows you by that’s fine. You can tell me who you are privately 5.Language -> It is ok for two or more members to chat in non English languages of their choice as long as they are willing to translate if asked. 6. Culture -> Friendly and helpful. Rude/disruptive People will be shown the door. 7.Sincerity -> Channel members are expected to demonstrate sincerity and post questions that channel members were unable answer in forums or mailing lists if asked to. 8.Offtopic chat-> When no technical discussions are happening, sensible pleasant off topic chat is both allowed and enjoyed. 9. Lurking -> Pascal programmers can lurk all they like. Strangers with unknown intentions cannot. 10. Bots -> Bots are allowed only with permission from channel owners. This includes chatbots. 11.Stalking -> People who have harassed channel members in other places will be considered to be engaging in cyberstalking and removed from channel. I cordially invite all pascal programmers who are willing to abide by these rules to join us. Come chat on IRC .. https://libera.chat/guides/ IRC.LIBERA.CHAT Ports [6667 plaintext ] or [6697 secure] channels #fpc #pascal If anyone has any questions or concerns about irc please feel free to ask me in #fpc-unregistered channel in irc. I can also be messaged in forums under the name Joanna. Thank you for reading and have a nice day..___ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org https://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other
Re: [fpc-other] I thought it was going to get better, but no
Thank you so much for your concerns Jacob, advocating for the “rights” of pascal developers. That is so kind of you. How long have you been here? A month? Now that definitely takes dedication.. Please take your “help” elsewhere.The people in the channels that I manage don’t want you around can you guess why? Don’t bother trying to sneak in under a new name to spy on us either. I’ve made a private channel for all discussions of any significance . You have helped rid #fpc of two useless lurkers who never contributed anything and I commend you for that. Now let’s have a look at your non existent code shall we? Please tell the nice people here about that Fpc not using “&” Instead of “and” problem of yours and that precious “code“ that can’t be defiled by being fixed to work properly with fpc...___ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org https://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other
Re: [fpc-other] I thought it was going to get better, but no
On 4/26/23 13:58, HSN via fpc-other wrote: Hi Nickolay Thanks for helping explain. I imagine that his new channel is now thriving with the list of excellent prospects in the ban list that I provided. It’s always good to see a new irc channel get off to a good start with some talented people on board ;) ^^^ The comment above says it all. I understand why no fpc developer wants to be associated with #fpc. As already mentioned, better to use the mailing list for technical questions. I think the bigger problem is that #pascal, which is more general, has *also* been hijacked by "Joanna". Jacob ___ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org https://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other
[fpc-other] It’s easy to judge
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