Re: [fpc-other] It’s easy to judge

[Ralf Quint via fpc-other]

On 4/26/2023 7:58 AM, HSN via fpc-other wrote:


It’s easy to judge a person you don’t know doing a job you don’t want 
in a place you have never been to from propaganda of crusading 
strangers who showed up recently.



Just stop it...


Ralf

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Re: [fpc-other] Why #fpc matters

[Ralf Quint via fpc-other]

On 4/20/2023 11:33 PM, HSN via fpc-other wrote:


Hello everyone this is Joanna


That was obvious...


I discovered fpc and Lazarus around 2014. Before that I was involved 
with online gaming and programming bots.



That explains a lot...
(And just for the record, I am using Free Pascal since at least 1997, 
when it was still "just" a 386 code producing clone of Turbo Pascal and 
still named FPK (Florian's Pascal Kompiler, IIRC the first copyright 
statements back in those days)


...

I don't care personally for any IRC channel (nor Discord, Slack, or 
anything along those lines), but it seems that you have taken a very 
dictatorial and oppressive view and thus actions on the IRC channel, 
which seem to be rather detrimental and contrary to your stated 
intention of "promoting FPC"...


For example, a lot of people might just be "lurking", simply because 
they are new to (Free)Pascal, as well as not being able to speak and 
properly write in English, because it is not their native language. You 
are excluding and downright chastise those people for being newbies. Not 
very inclusive and inviting...


Beside that people might not be able to tell you what they are working 
on, as there simply might not be a specific project, as they just might 
wanna work. But this is for you apparently just another reason to slap 
them in the face and ban them.


Bottom line is that it is YOU who is "orchestrating drama" and you don't 
seem to grasp that your actions are in effect malicious to anyone in the 
project, be it developers or users.



Ralf
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Re: [fpc-other] All Things Open conference

[Ralf Quint]

On 9/10/2019 8:14 AM, DougC wrote:
Any FPC/Lazarus users going to www.allthingsopen.org 
 on Oct 13-15, 2019 in Raleigh, NC, USA? 
I'd like to get together with you there.


Sorry, is for me on the wrong side of the continent...

Ralf


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Re: [fpc-other] Microsoft makes its compiler C# open source

[Ralf Quint]

On 9/28/2018 4:18 AM, Santiago A. wrote:

With Apache 2.0 license (a least part, it has a lot of dependencies)

https://medium.com/microsoft-open-source-stories/how-microsoft-rewrote-its-c-compiler-in-c-and-made-it-open-source-4ebed5646f98 




Why would/could that possibly concern us?



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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

[Ralf Quint]

On 6/5/2018 12:19 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote:

In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said:


What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will be
owned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.

Well, there is always Amazon and Oracle :-)

Talking about "from fire into the pan"... ;-)

Ralf

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Re: [fpc-other] Original Version of Photoshop Was Written in Pascal; Source Released

[Ralf Quint]

On 5/24/2018 1:49 PM, DaWorm wrote:
Wonder if it was still a p-code compiler back then, as it was based on 
Microsoft Pascal, which was based on UCSD Pascal.


http://www.edm2.com/index.php/Microsoft_Pascal

Jeff.
Microsoft Pascal was NOT based on UCSD Pascal. At least I seriously 
doubt it. I used UCSD Pascal back in those days, in various forms (Apple 
][ Pascal, HP Pascal , UCSD Pascal on Sage, UCSD Pascal on PC) as well 
looked into MS Pascal for a company I worked for,as it was a direct 
binary compiler. And it had enough quirks that UCSD Pascal programs that 
could work on all the various UCSD derived version would not even 
compile. Now that is about 35 years ago, so I don't recall any details 
anymore...


Ralf

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Re: [fpc-other] How do you keep up with FPC discussions?

[Ralf Quint]

On 5/26/2017 6:25 PM, nore...@z505.com wrote:
>
> Indeed I hate web based programs of all kinds, but, after lots of my
> email clients corrupted their databases which were not in plain text
> and I lost my emails, I started using web servers and web programs as
> email clients for lots of email.  Thunderbird was an option, as AFAIR
> you could store email as plain text, which is easier to recover if
> there is a failure, but thunderbird, was bloated and took up way too
> much memory.
I am using Thunderbird, on Windows 7/8.1/10, macOS and Linux  Mint Mate
for several years now, ever since I had due to a move switch away from
my old desktop running Eudora as the email client and use a laptop
instead. And it has the benefit now that it runs on all three main OS
that I use every day.
And that is using 6 different email addresses (right now, one
specifically for ), all using IMAP for ages now. And compared to the
amount of memory you are using in a web browser to get even close to the
comforts you get with a real email client, it is rather "lean and mean"...
>
> However, IMO it has nothing to do with filtering out email because you
> still have to read the email lists and read through emails no matter
> how much you filter things. It's not like you can magically guess that
> "all emails regarding anything to do with VARARGS I want to delete"
> because 2 months later you may need varargs help. Or, it's not like
> you can magically guess that you don't want any emails coming in that
> have anything to do with fixed arrays, because you don't use fixed
> arrays - but maybe you will in 2 months!
>
Then you do not understand how you can apply filtering. You can mark
threads you are not interested in as "read on arrival", or depending on
the subject, move them in logical subfolders where you can read them as
needed. Likewise, you can mark "hot topics" with a tag, having them show
up not only a new/unread, but with certain colors. You can filter not
only on subject but also on sender (for better or worse ;-) ), text
occurring in the body, etc...
This way, you can have the computer do the most tedious part, separating
"signal from noise", which largely helps to reduce the number of emails
you actually "have to read". For me, that is on average maybe 10-20% of
the daily emails.
And why do you want to delete any emails, unless they are complete and
utter nonsense/spam (which barely happens in any of the FPC mailing
lists at least)?.  I have all emails from the FPC lists going back to
early 2013, when I got by previous laptop and switched some accounts
from POP3 to IMAP, and it would just take a restore from some old backup
to get any previous emails back, probably at least to 2002 or so.
And if you are looking for a certain topic/keyword from past posts, you
can do a search just fine, which you might have to do anyway if you are
looking for something in a past thread, as I seriously doubt that you
remember exactly where and when someone posted that info you might be
looking for a few months later...

> Setting up thousands of filters is a time waster too...
Pick you poison... But, as far as setting up filters goes, most of it is
a one time thing. It might be a bit more if you just get started, but it
will reduce and become second nature over time if you keep using it,
saving you a lot of time in the long run. And TBird does filters much
better than any other email client out there right now, I barely miss
Eudora these days anymore...

Ralf


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Re: [fpc-other] How do you keep up with FPC discussions?

[Ralf Quint]

On 5/26/2017 4:36 AM, wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:
>
> hahaha... nope... just experienced readers of messages who have
> learned how to work through them fairly quickly and easily... i will
> grant that it does take an hour or two... if i'm offering someone some
> help and have to go write code, i do that over several days... even if
> it means skipping some reading a day or two... 
And on top of that, experienced enough to use a proper email client,
with proper message filtering, instead of (ab)using a web browser just
just another task... ;-)

Ralf

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Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] FPC Graphics options?

[Ralf Quint]

On 5/23/2017 7:19 PM, wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:
> On 05/23/2017 09:56 PM, nore...@z505.com wrote:
>> The C struct is literally the pascal record, and is all based on the
>> same Structured Programming work by Dijkstra
>
> except that the C struct does not have the array length at position
> zero and you have to process until you hit the first null character...
> that's the plus for pascal strings... you know how long the string is
> from the start... unless it is a unicode string ;)
>
Well, the problem is that you can't use those handy Pascal strings that
much anymore these days. Ever since you need to use UTF8 to properly
represent textual context, this all has become one hell of a mess,
pretty leveling the playing field when it comes to handling such strings
with (Free)Pascalor C...

Ralf


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Re: [fpc-other] How was compiled the very first version of FPC?

[Ralf Quint]

On 1/10/2017 1:31 PM, gabor wrote:

http://turbopascal.org/
I think it's not borland's turbo pascal

No, it's not, it's the site of a Russian guy who says he reverse 
engineered Turbo Pascal 7 and sells the source code for that (called 
TPC16, there's also a 32bit version compiled with Delphi).


This site is around for years, so if something would be way out of whack 
on how he got the source code, I am pretty sure 
Borland/Inprise/Codegear/Embarcadero would have gotten on his case a 
long time ago.


Ralf



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Re: [fpc-other] FPC Pestering Peacock (3.0.0) release

[Ralf Quint]

On 11/25/2015 11:05 PM, Luca Manganelli wrote:

On 26/11/2015 02:17, Ralf Quint wrote:

The 3.0.0 docs is available at
http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/3.0.0/fpctoc.htm

Maybe not?:


I think that a letter (the final "l") is missing in the link

http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/3.0.0/fpctoc.html

That looks better... ;-)

Ralf 8-)

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Re: [fpc-other] $100, 000 for C++ implementation of FPC's -CR option

[Ralf Quint]

On 8/13/2015 4:49 PM, Nikolay Nikolov wrote:
Well, now all they need is a decent equivalent to Pascal's units 
(instead of relying on preprocessor hacks such as #include), Pascal's 
compilation speed, decent RTTI, class types (e.g. class of tobject) 
and C++ becomes a halfway-usable language :)
There are only two things wrong with C++: The initial concept and the 
implementation.

-- Bertrand Meyer :-P


Ralf

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Re: [fpc-other] FPC website

[Ralf Quint]

On 1/29/2015 2:15 PM, Programming wrote:

Am I doing something wrong, or missed a memo somewhere?

I have tried accessing the FPC forum on the website, but neither it, 
nor the Lazarus portion of the website is accessible. Basically, any 
portion of the website which includes the lazarus sub-domain doesn't 
work (which includes the forum portion). This has been the case for at 
least a year and a half. Not sure if something is messed up on the 
server side (with named or with httpd configuration?), or if I am 
doing something wrong on my side (though, I can not think of what).


Any info on this would be appreciated.

WY
Denver
Well, can't recall to ever had any troubles to access either the main 
FPC side nor the Lazarus forum in that time frame you mentioned, 
downloading FPC on various computers as well as checking things on the 
forum...


Ralf
Los Angeles


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Re: [fpc-other] FPC website

[Ralf Quint]

On 1/30/2015 7:36 PM, Programming wrote:

On 2015-01-30 20:28, Programming wrote:
 Is the forum on a separate IP address from the main freepascal.org 
website?

 I was thinking I might try connecting to it via IP address, if it is,
 or adding a hosts entry for forum.lazarus.freepascal.org to bypass 
the DNS lookup.


Does not look like that will work for me, neither.
I'm in Denver, CO, and I just now remote logged in to my server in 
Arizona to try pinging the forum address which would both check access 
from another state and another ISP, as well as give the IP address. 
The ping from the server in Arizona responded with From 
80.120.208.116 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable.
ping means crap, it just tells you what you already know, you can't 
reach that address. Kind of strange is the from IP address you mentioned 
above, as that doesn't look like any US address. Try (and possibly post) 
a traceroute from your local host instead. It will show where the data 
is actually passing through, if the name resolves in the first place 
(but DNS doesn't seem to be your issue going by what you described so 
far)...


For what it's worth, the IP addresses for the web site 
(www.freepascal.org) resolves for me (tried today from two different 
clients, one in Los Angeles-Park LaBrea, one in Santa Monica) as 
85.222.228.11 and the Lazarus forum resolves as 80.123.225.56, and both 
sites are located in Europa. Maybe whatever firewall you're behind has 
one of those braindead I want only US addresses to contact me kind of 
ACLs implemented?


Ralf

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