Re Subject 1. We come with a free solution for this: I will see if our plan of creating a free server could be performed earlier. I'll let you know, our partners already agreed.
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Today's Topics: 1. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Stéphane Aulery) 2. Replying to digest e-mails (Was: Re: fpc-other Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1) (Tomas Hajny) 3. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Marco van de Voort) 4. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Mark Morgan Lloyd) 5. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Marco van de Voort) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 23:36:10 +0200 From: Stéphane Aulery <lk...@free.fr> To: Other FPC related discussions <fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org>, Michalis Kamburelis <michalis.ka...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub Message-ID: <dc835f98-84b2-fc3e-33e2-584f1b7be...@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Le 05/06/2018 à 21:45, Michalis Kamburelis a écrit : > Graeme Geldenhuys <mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk > <mailto:mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk>> wrote: > > News just in.... M$ has bought GitHub. > > > https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-takes-over-github-521380.sht > ml > > What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will be > owned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook. > I guess I'll be doing what the Free Pascal project has done all along... > Host my own repositories and bug tracker. Less sh*t and in full control > or my work. > > I've had plans to move many of my projects off SourceForge to GitHub > because of SourceForge's performance problems and frequent outages. Now > that plan will NOT happen and I'll most likely start hosting my own > public repositories instead. > > > Or you can move to GitLab, which offers similar features in many ways. > > A big advantage is also that it's open-source, so instead of creating > your project on gitlab.com <http://gitlab.com>, you can host your own > GitLab instance. Like Debian is doing with salsa.debian.org > <http://salsa.debian.org> . There are Docker images with ready GitLab > and dependencies, to make it easy. The Gitlab docker image is suboptimal. There are inexplicable resource consumption peaks when we use ours at work, even when the machine is idle. It's inept to put an entire system in another one when you can already install a basic git service with a web server and tools of your choice for a limited effort. Regards, -- Stéphane Aulery ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:24:53 +0200 From: "Tomas Hajny" <xhaj...@hajny.biz> To: edi...@blaisepascal.eu Cc: "Other FPC related discussions" <fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org> Subject: [fpc-other] Replying to digest e-mails (Was: Re: fpc-other Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1) Message-ID: <38cab62681142da8ff123888849c560f.squir...@mail.freepascal.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Tue, June 5, 2018 22:53, edi...@blaisepascal.eu wrote: Hello Detlef, As suggested within the digest e-mails, it's better to edit the Subject when replying to such an e-mail and thus provide information about the real subject of your response rather than just information that you are subscribed to digests. Thanks Tomas (one of FPC mailing list moderators) > -----Original Message----- > From: fpc-other [mailto:fpc-other-boun...@lists.freepascal.org] On Behalf > Of fpc-other-requ...@lists.freepascal.org > Sent: dinsdag 5 juni 2018 22:48 > To: fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org > Subject: fpc-other Digest, Vol 119, Issue 1 > . . > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of fpc-other digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. M$ has bought GitHub (Graeme Geldenhuys) > 2. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Luca Manganelli) > 3. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (José Mejuto) > 4. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Marco van de Voort) > 5. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Michalis Kamburelis) > 6. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Graeme Geldenhuys) > 7. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Graeme Geldenhuys) . . ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 09:11:42 +0200 (CEST) From: mar...@stack.nl (Marco van de Voort) To: Other FPC related discussions <fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org> Subject: Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub Message-ID: <20180606071142.3798e50...@toad.stack.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: > > Oh God, yes I forgot about those. Amazon is also spreading its tentacles > everywhere and with microphones (smart speakers) planted in every other > home. What is this world coming too? Everybody so eager to loose their > freedom and privacy. Seems Richard Stallman was right all along. Even the Stasi could never have dreamed of victims buying the devices they are eavesdropped by :-) Personally the whole github thing is a non story. Github was not making money and sooner or later the pushing towards from free towards premium services would have started. Now, if your company has Office 365, it might in the future also include github 365 :-) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:10:23 +0000 From: Mark Morgan Lloyd <markmll.fpc-ot...@telemetry.co.uk> To: fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org Subject: Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub Message-ID: <pf84tf$1hc$1...@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 05/06/18 19:45, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > News just in.... M$ has bought GitHub. > https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-takes-over-github-521380.shtml > What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will beowned > and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.I guess I'll > be doing what the Free Pascal project has done all along...Host my own > repositories and bug tracker. Less sh*t and in full controlor my work. > I've had plans to move many of my projects off SourceForge to GitHubbecause > of SourceForge's performance problems and frequent outages. Nowthat plan will > NOT happen and I'll most likely start hosting my ownpublic repositories > instead. Another problem with Sourceforge is the fact that they enthusiastically block access to any country that's currently on the US government's *hitlist. I don't know what Github's policy was on that but it's pretty sure what MS's will be... which is absolutely correct in the context of an American corporation, but not in the context of non-American users or paying customers. One further thing that occurs to me is that MS might be viewing Github as a competitor, not an "opportunity". I don't believe this is common practice, but the Kicad PCB etc. design suite uses Github to store parts descriptions which ordinary users access (i.e. rather than it just being used solely by developers). Any of the "cloud" operators would obviously throw their hands up in horror and say "that stuff ought to be in one of our distributed databases"... well, perhaps MS recognised a potential competitor here and acted to curtail it. So we're now in the situation where Kicad, managed by CERN, has all its users rely on Github. But what will happen if Trump's trade war brands CERN an enemy and orders Github to cut off access? And that's just the one I've come across: I'm sure that there are other user (rather than developer) communities in the same exposed position. So while we should be grateful that it's not Oracle, not the IBM of 30 years ago, and not one of the neo-Stasi organisations such as Facebook, Google or Amazon, I think the World needs a robust alternative repository where deposited data can be signed (to guarantee integrity) but not necessarily encrypted (to prevent any government saying "what's in 'ere then?). -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:25:40 +0200 (CEST) From: mar...@stack.nl (Marco van de Voort) To: Other FPC related discussions <fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org> Subject: Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub Message-ID: <20180606092540.a63d650...@toad.stack.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said: > > What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will beowned > > and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.I guess > > I'll be doing what the Free Pascal project has done all along...Host my own > > repositories and bug tracker. Less sh*t and in full controlor my work. > > I've had plans to move many of my projects off SourceForge to GitHubbecause > > of SourceForge's performance problems and frequent outages. Nowthat plan > > will NOT happen and I'll most likely start hosting my ownpublic > > repositories instead. > > Another problem with Sourceforge is the fact that they enthusiastically > block access to any country that's currently on the US government's > *hitlist. I don't know what Github's policy was on that but it's pretty > sure what MS's will be... which is absolutely correct in the context of > an American corporation, but not in the context of non-American users or > paying customers. Actually Microsoft is quite a large cloud provider, and can afford to partition its offerings and isn't as dependent on a single point (or continent) hosting as others. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other ------------------------------ End of fpc-other Digest, Vol 119, Issue 3 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other
