Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-17 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 17 Jan 2008, at 08:02, Vinzent Hoefler wrote: On Wednesday 16 January 2008 17:49, Roberto Padovani wrote: Given that I don't have Delphi, suppose that company X ask me to make a software for them. I might give them the software, with full source code and a GPL licence note every here and

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-17 Thread Vinzent Hoefler
On Thursday 17 January 2008 11:54, Jonas Maebe wrote: On 17 Jan 2008, at 08:02, Vinzent Hoefler wrote: On Wednesday 16 January 2008 17:49, Roberto Padovani wrote: Given that I don't have Delphi, suppose that company X ask me to make a software for them. I might give them the software, with

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-17 Thread John Stoneham
On Jan 16, 2008 2:42 PM, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The suspect routines are mostly in the classes unit. In the component streaming system, to be exact. This code is of course available in the GPL-ed CLX... Note also that the CLX is under some kind of dual license: GPL or the

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-17 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 17 Jan 2008, at 12:18, Vinzent Hoefler wrote: On Thursday 17 January 2008 11:54, Jonas Maebe wrote: On 17 Jan 2008, at 08:02, Vinzent Hoefler wrote: But given it is GPL your customer may decide to redistribute the source, as you gave him explicit permission with the GPL to do so. It would

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread Tiziano De Togni
John Stoneham ha scritto: apparent that he came to his conclusions as to the copyright issue at the beginning of last year while still at CodeGear. I think it's interesting that he never raised those issues then. It is also clear that he has no clue about copyright law. It seems he believes

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread John Stoneham
On Jan 16, 2008 3:42 AM, Tiziano De Togni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please tell me if there is a real chance that CodeGear asks money for a concrete copyright violation to someone of the FPC or Lazarus developers? And in this case, how this claim could be performed? Well, one

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 16/01/2008, Tiziano De Togni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please tell me if there is a real chance that CodeGear asks money for a concrete copyright violation to someone of the FPC or Lazarus developers? FPC developers approached them (CodeGear) and took it on ourselves to solve the

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Roberto Padovani wrote: I've been following this topic from the beginning and I took the time to read the (questionable) blog from the ex-CG developer. I'm interested in it because aside my personal enjoyment, I started using freepascal+lazarus where I work in order

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread Roberto Padovani
I've been following this topic from the beginning and I took the time to read the (questionable) blog from the ex-CG developer. I'm interested in it because aside my personal enjoyment, I started using freepascal+lazarus where I work in order to quickly solve some needs like data analysis,

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread Roberto Padovani
Thanks a lot! you can't find a lawyer anywhere when you need it! :-) I'm joking, of course... Given that I don't have Delphi, suppose that company X ask me to make a software for them. I might give them the software, with full source code and a GPL licence note every here and there, and ask money

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, John Stoneham wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 7:18 AM, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not too much implication, for you, normally: 1. If you have a licensed copy of Delphi, you can ignore it: you are allowed to use this source code. (We do not have

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Jan 16, 2008 9:42 PM, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regardless of this, we do not wish to be suspected of using Borland's code, and therefor decided to play it safe and recode the routines anyway. I cannot stress this enough. Are the recoded routines in 2.2.1? Any vague

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-16 Thread Vinzent Hoefler
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 17:49, Roberto Padovani wrote: Given that I don't have Delphi, suppose that company X ask me to make a software for them. I might give them the software, with full source code and a GPL licence note every here and there, and ask money for the _design_ of the

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-15 Thread John Stoneham
Sorry if I'm a little late to this discussion. I just wanted to let you know that I am an attorney and have handled copyright infringement cases in the US (most recently the SONY vs. Crain music piracy case). As a hobby programmer and FPC/Lazarus enthusiast, I would be more than happy to review,

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-15 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, John Stoneham wrote: Sorry if I'm a little late to this discussion. I just wanted to let you know that I am an attorney and have handled copyright infringement cases in the US (most recently the SONY vs. Crain music piracy case). As a hobby programmer and FPC/Lazarus

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-15 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 15 Jan 2008, at 14:05, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On 15/01/2008, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- 8 -- thanks for your explanation, i was curious what the progress on this was. are there similar infringements in the lcl that needs to be replaced, or has this not been

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-15 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Henry Vermaak wrote: On 15/01/2008, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- 8 -- As far as I can judge: They count on us to play things fair, and let us handle it to our own judgement for the moment, but said that if we undertook no action, they would take

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-15 Thread Henry Vermaak
On 15/01/2008, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- 8 -- As far as I can judge: They count on us to play things fair, and let us handle it to our own judgement for the moment, but said that if we undertook no action, they would take the necessary steps to protect their IP. We have

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-15 Thread John Stoneham
On Jan 15, 2008 6:16 AM, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The initial accusations were published on a Blog of some former Borland employee or afficionado. He contacted codegear, apparently, and then a codegear official (Alan Bauer) contacted some of the FPC team members by private

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-15 Thread Mark Emerson
Judging from the posts in this thread, it does seem that the FPC team found some code after their review that needed fixing, and I'm glad that's mostly been finished. However, it does concern me that the LCL team hasn't performed the same kind of in-house analysis on their code yet. Until they

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-15 Thread Marco van de Voort
yet. Until they do, I'm afraid this issue won't go away anytime soon. Please forgive my ignorance, but what is LCL? The visual classes libray of Lazarus. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-05 Thread Chris Kirkpatrick
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Hello, So this is one area where you, our users, can make a big difference and help us in preventing this from happening in the future, as well as with notifying us as soon as possible when it does happen (or when you know it happened in the past). Most

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-05 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, Chris Kirkpatrick wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Hello, So this is one area where you, our users, can make a big difference and help us in preventing this from happening in the future, as well as with notifying us as soon as possible when it does

Re: [fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2008-01-05 Thread Marco van de Voort
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Michael. On browsing through the code of $FPCdir/packages/fcl-db/src/dbase/dbf.pas I came across the following (line 20-22) // If you got a compilation error here or asking for dsgnintf.pas, then just add // this file in your project: //

[fpc-pascal] Notice: Possible copyright infringements in FPC code base

2007-11-19 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
Hello, The FPC team has been recently made aware that a number of routines in the Classes unit are apparently based on code originally from Borland/CodeGear. After someone found a tool to automatically compare source code bodies to look for structural similarities, we improved its support for