[fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-04-02 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 29/03/2013 09:53, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: [...] To program nowadays it already requires a lot of other things to learn (different OSs and interfaces). I see no need to add even more to that by adding features over and over again. Pascal was successful because it was easy and clear. Now it

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-04-02 Thread Sven Barth
Am 02.04.2013 11:03, schrieb Lukasz Sokol: [case in point: the try...[except]...[finally]...[except]...end; I wrote about some time before] Which reminds me: would you please be so kind to create a feature request for this, so it won't be forgotten? Regards, Sven

[fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-04-02 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 02/04/2013 13:18, Sven Barth wrote: Am 02.04.2013 11:03, schrieb Lukasz Sokol: [case in point: the try...[except]...[finally]...[except]...end; I wrote about some time before] Which reminds me: would you please be so kind to create a feature request for this, so it won't be forgotten?

[fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-04-02 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 02/04/2013 13:32, Lukasz Sokol wrote: On 02/04/2013 13:18, Sven Barth wrote: Am 02.04.2013 11:03, schrieb Lukasz Sokol: [case in point: the try...[except]...[finally]...[except]...end; I wrote about some time before] Which reminds me: would you please be so kind to create a feature

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-04-02 Thread Sven Barth
Am 02.04.2013 15:14, schrieb Lukasz Sokol: On 02/04/2013 13:32, Lukasz Sokol wrote: On 02/04/2013 13:18, Sven Barth wrote: Am 02.04.2013 11:03, schrieb Lukasz Sokol: [case in point: the try...[except]...[finally]...[except]...end; I wrote about some time before] Which reminds me: would you

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-30 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2013-03-29 11:20, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd: What is it about Pascal programmers and their assumption that verbosity is a prerequisite to clarity? Why do you think nobody is writing text in stenography? It would be much less text to write. But we use standard languages which have a lot

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2013-03-29 11:20, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd: What is it about Pascal programmers and their assumption that verbosity is a prerequisite to clarity? Why do you think nobody is writing text in stenography? It would be much less text to write. But we use standard

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Sven Barth
On 29.03.2013 02:21, leledumbo wrote: Good point. So to be consistent, don't turn it on :-) NEVER turn it on for me :-) If you use a compiler without a preset fpc.cfg than it's disabled by default. It needs to be switched on using -Sc or {$COPERATORS ON}. If only I'm the core dev, I

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 29.03.2013 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: On 29.03.2013 02:21, leledumbo wrote: Good point. So to be consistent, don't turn it on :-) NEVER turn it on for me :-) If you use a compiler without a preset fpc.cfg than it's disabled by default. It needs to be switched on using -Sc or

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Florian Kl?mpfl said: and remove it in the next major version. [Note: No personal attack intended with the next sentence] In that case I think we are lucky that you aren't a core dev :P We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... But that's not the point here. The problem has nothing to do with backward compatibility. Just the opposite. If

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Sven Barth wrote: If only I'm the core dev, I would mark the C operator feature as deprecated and remove it in the next major version. [Note: No personal attack intended with the next sentence] In that case I think we are lucky that you aren't a core dev :P We value backwards compatiblity

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 29 March 2013 10:53:04 Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... But that's not the point here. The problem has nothing

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 29.03.2013 11:27, schrieb Martin Schreiber: On Friday 29 March 2013 10:53:04 Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... But

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:53, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... But that's not the point here. The problem has nothing to do

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Sven Barth
Am 29.03.2013 10:53 schrieb Jürgen Hestermann juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de: Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... But that's not the point here. The

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Sven Barth
Am 29.03.2013 11:21 schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.fpc-pas...@telemetry.co.uk: I, for one, see absolutely nothing wrong with += etc. since it's an unambiguous idiom which came into use decades ago and is now almost universally understood. Things like ptr++ or Inc(ptr) are far more pernicious.

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... What is it about Pascal programmers and their assumption that verbosity is a prerequisite to clarity?

[fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread leledumbo
I, for one, see absolutely nothing wrong with += etc. since it's an unambiguous idiom which came into use decades ago and is now almost universally understood. I see one: compatibility with other compilers, though I exclusively use FPC, some people in groups I'm involved in asks general

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
leledumbo wrote: I, for one, see absolutely nothing wrong with += etc. since it's an unambiguous idiom which came into use decades ago and is now almost universally understood. I see one: compatibility with other compilers, though I exclusively use FPC, some people in groups I'm involved in

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Jürgen Hestermann juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de wrote: Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... But that's not the point

[fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-28 Thread leledumbo
Good point. So to be consistent, don't turn it on :-) NEVER turn it on for me :-) If only I'm the core dev, I would mark the C operator feature as deprecated and remove it in the next major version. -- View this message in context:

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-28 Thread M Pulis
Same here. M On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:21 PM, leledumbo wrote: Good point. So to be consistent, don't turn it on :-) NEVER turn it on for me :-) If only I'm the core dev, I would mark the C operator feature as deprecated and remove it in the next major version. -- View this message in