Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Wed, 17 May 2017, fredvs wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote You didn't even file an official request in the bugtracker ? Because I tried already and because I know the (rejected) answer. Where is this bugreport ? I was talking about earlier other requests. Each case is always

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Michael Van Canneyt wrote >>> You didn't even file an official request in the bugtracker ? >> >> Because I tried already and because I know the (rejected) answer. > > Where is this bugreport ? I was talking about earlier other requests. But now, if you think that the request has a little

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Wed, 17 May 2017, fredvs wrote: But, IMHO, if fpc uses a external linker, it is also part of the compilation process. And each feature of the linker should be analyzed. We are agreed on that. Michael Van Canneyt wrote You didn't even file an official request in the bugtracker ?

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Michael Van Canneyt wrote > On Wed, 17 May 2017, fredvs wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> OK, I see that fpc team is afraid to change something that mom-Delphi did >> not do. > > This is simply not correct and a *very* unfair statement on your part. > Mails like this will really not get you anywhere.

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Wed, 17 May 2017, fredvs wrote: Hello. OK, I see that fpc team is afraid to change something that mom-Delphi did not do. This is simply not correct and a *very* unfair statement on your part. Mails like this will really not get you anywhere. 1. You didn't even file an official request

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

2017-05-17 13:32 GMT+02:00 fredvs : > > OK, I see that fpc team is afraid to change something that mom-Delphi did > not do. You don't know that. Lack of bug report / feature request on mantis, means that the feature request doesn't exist in any formal way. Sometimes is good

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Hello. OK, I see that fpc team is afraid to change something that mom-Delphi did not do. So, to resume, for people who wants to smartlink their libraries, you may use this command: *fpc -k--gc-sections my_smartlinked_library.pas* Fre;D - Many thanks ;-) -- View this message in

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On 2017-05-16 09:20, fredvs wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote On Tue, 16 May 2017, fredvs wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote What can be misunderstood about adding --gc-sections to the linker options if -XX is used on the command-line ? Ha, the way you present it seems to show that you did

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On 2017-05-16 03:15, fredvs wrote: noreply wrote On 2017-05-15 04:26, fredvs wrote: After lot of fight, there is a solution: using -*-gc-sections*. And the question was : /Why FPC does not provide --gc-sections to the linker with the -XX paramer for libraries ? (Bug ?) / Hopefully that's

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Tue, 16 May 2017, fredvs wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote On Tue, 16 May 2017, fredvs wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote What can be misunderstood about adding --gc-sections to the linker options if -XX is used on the command-line ? Ha, the way you present it seems to show that you did

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Marco van de Voort wrote > In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: >> > Does it work for all situations? I remember a bug for the rust >> compiler >> > that broke libraries when --gc-sections was used, because it removed >> the >> > metadata that rust needed to load the library. One

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Michael Van Canneyt wrote > On Tue, 16 May 2017, fredvs wrote: > >> Michael Van Canneyt wrote >>> What can be misunderstood about adding --gc-sections to the linker >>> options if -XX is used on the command-line ? >> >> Ha, the way you present it seems to show that you did understand it ;-) >>

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Tue, 16 May 2017, fredvs wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote What can be misunderstood about adding --gc-sections to the linker options if -XX is used on the command-line ? Ha, the way you present it seems to show that you did understand it ;-) OK, maybe is it time to add a feature

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: > > Does it work for all situations? I remember a bug for the rust compiler > > that broke libraries when --gc-sections was used, because it removed the > > metadata that rust needed to load the library. One of the fpc devs can > > probably say

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Michael Van Canneyt wrote > What can be misunderstood about adding --gc-sections to the linker > options if -XX is used on the command-line ? Ha, the way you present it seems to show that you did understand it ;-) OK, maybe is it time to add a feature request... Fre;D - Many thanks

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

In our previous episode, fredvs said: > Nobody uses fpc library here ? Yes, but I don't care about size unless it is outrageous. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Tue, 16 May 2017, Henry Vermaak wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 01:15:34AM -0700, fredvs wrote: It works for all situations, so I propose that fpc add --gc-sections as parameter for the linker if the user has used -XX parameter to compile a library. Does it work for all situations? I

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 01:15:34AM -0700, fredvs wrote: > It works for all situations, so I propose that fpc add --gc-sections > as parameter for the linker if the user has used -XX parameter to > compile a library. Does it work for all situations? I remember a bug for the rust compiler that

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Tue, 16 May 2017, fredvs wrote: Maciej Izak wrote 2017-05-16 10:15 GMT+02:00 fredvs fiens@ : It works for all situations, so I propose that fpc add --gc-sections as parameter for the linker if the user has used -XX parameter to compile a library. for features requests please

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Maciej Izak wrote > 2017-05-16 10:15 GMT+02:00 fredvs > fiens@ > : > >> It works for all situations, so I propose that fpc add --gc-sections as >> parameter for the linker if the user has used -XX parameter to compile a >> library. >> > > for features requests please use

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

2017-05-16 10:15 GMT+02:00 fredvs : > It works for all situations, so I propose that fpc add --gc-sections as > parameter for the linker if the user has used -XX parameter to compile a > library. > for features requests please use https://bugs.freepascal.org . -- Best

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

noreply wrote > On 2017-05-15 04:26, fredvs wrote: >> After lot of fight, there is a solution: using -*-gc-sections*. >> >> And the question was : >> >> /Why FPC does not provide --gc-sections to the linker with the -XX >> paramer >> for libraries ? (Bug ?) / > > > Hopefully that's all there

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Mon, 15 May 2017, nore...@z505.com wrote: On 2017-05-15 04:19, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: If you want to compare today, you need to add the sizes of all the C libraries that are loaded during execution of a C program with the size of an FPC program. I think you'll find that the sizes of

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On 2017-05-15 04:26, fredvs wrote: After lot of fight, there is a solution: using -*-gc-sections*. And the question was : /Why FPC does not provide --gc-sections to the linker with the -XX paramer for libraries ? (Bug ?) / Hopefully that's all there is to it, but how do you know that this

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On 2017-05-15 04:19, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: If you want to compare today, you need to add the sizes of all the C libraries that are loaded during execution of a C program with the size of an FPC program. I think you'll find that the sizes of FPC programs are not so different then. Just

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Mon, 15 May 2017, fredvs wrote: http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal Ha, news, finally. Huh, did you read my post ? I did. I responded to the statement that fpc libraries are big and "unusable". It talk about smartlinking of libraries that does not work.

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Michael Van Canneyt wrote > On Mon, 15 May 2017, fredvs wrote: > >> fredvs wrote >>> Hello. >>> >>> Sorry to come back with this story but there are (good) news. >>> >>> Using >> * >>> --gc-sections >> * >>> makes the library smartlinked. >>> >>> So the question is: >>> >>> Why FPC does not

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Mon, 15 May 2017, fredvs wrote: fredvs wrote Hello. Sorry to come back with this story but there are (good) news. Using * --gc-sections * makes the library smartlinked. So the question is: Why FPC does not provide * --gc-sections * to the linker with the -XX paramer for

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

fredvs wrote > Hello. > > Sorry to come back with this story but there are (good) news. > > Using * > --gc-sections * > makes the library smartlinked. > > So the question is: > > Why FPC does not provide * > --gc-sections * > to the linker with the -XX paramer for libraries ? (Bug ?) > >

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Hello. Sorry to come back with this story but there are (good) news. Using *--gc-sections* makes the library smartlinked. So the question is: Why FPC does not provide *--gc-sections* to the linker with the -XX paramer for libraries ? (Bug ?) Fre;D - Many thanks ;-) -- View this

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

>>> Sorry to insist on that, but the size of fp library is very too big >>> vs > other libraries (C for example). Except in the case of KOL applications where many of my KOL Dll's/Exe's were smaller than any C/C++ tool could ever create... But KOL is window's specific mostly. Someone ported it,

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On 14.01.2017 17:18, fredvs wrote: >>> Sorry to insist on that, but the size of fp library is very too big vs > other libraries (C for example). > >> The size of FPC libraries will always(*) be bigger then e.g. C ones, >> because in FPC the RTL is statically linked into the program/library, >>

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

>> Sorry to insist on that, but the size of fp library is very too big vs other libraries (C for example). > The size of FPC libraries will always(*) be bigger then e.g. C ones, > because in FPC the RTL is statically linked into the program/library, > while C libraries link against the C runtime

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

>> Sorry to insist on that, but the size of fp library is very too big vs other libraries (C for example). > The size of FPC libraries will always(*) be bigger then e.g. C ones, > because in FPC the RTL is statically linked into the program/library, > while C libraries link against the C runtime

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Mon, 3 Feb 2014, Fred van Stappen wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 18:30:57 +0100 From: mich...@freepascal.org To: fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ? On Mon, 3 Feb 2014, Fred van Stappen wrote: Hello. Here size of nude program

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

If I am correct, the compiler will add the PIC by itself. But someone of the compiler team should confirm this... Michael. Yep, Michael, many thanks for answer. Sorry to insist on that, but the size of fp library is very too big vs other libraries (C for example). But there are huge

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Am 04.02.2014 13:35, schrieb Fred van Stappen: Sorry to insist on that, but the size of fp library is very too big vs other libraries (C for example). The size of FPC libraries will always(*) be bigger then e.g. C ones, because in FPC the RTL is statically linked into the program/library,

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

(*) Once dynamic runtime packages are supported this might change though... Regards, Sven Ok, thanks Sven, that will be the best... But before the triumph of fp, i will do that universal audio open source library with fp too... Many thanks for all of you, fp

[fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Hello. Here size of nude program and library compiled with fpc 2.7.1. Why is it a so big size-difference ? Compiled with = fpc 2.7.1 = linux 64 Compiler parameters : -MObjFPC -Scghi -CX -Os1 -Xs -XX -vewnhi -fPIC program prognude ; begin end. = 26.9 k library libnude ; begin end. = 196.3 k

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

On Mon, 3 Feb 2014, Fred van Stappen wrote: Hello. Here size of nude program and library compiled with fpc 2.7.1. Why is it a so big size-difference ? Compiled with = fpc 2.7.1 = linux 64 Compiler parameters : -MObjFPC -Scghi -CX -Os1 -Xs -XX -vewnhi -fPIC I suspect PIC is to blame. This

Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ?

Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 18:30:57 +0100 From: mich...@freepascal.org To: fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Size of program vs library ? On Mon, 3 Feb 2014, Fred van Stappen wrote: Hello. Here size of nude program and library compiled with fpc 2.7.1. Why