Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 16.02.2013 20:45, schrieb geneb: On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I tried something like this before and I was suprised at the dearth of Lazarus and FreePascal bloggers. Getting Lazarus and FPC developers, (let alone users) to blog about their experiences is like pulling

Re: [fpc-pascal] Compiling arm-embedded fpc

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 14.02.2013 21:34, schrieb Michael Ring: I did a grep through the fpc sourcecode and found a reference in ./compiler/systems/t_linux.pas in an arm related ifdef section add(' .note.gnu.build-id : { *(.note.gnu.build-id) }'); so perhaps this is really missing in arm-embedded

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.orgwrote: Am 16.02.2013 20:45, schrieb geneb: On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I tried something like this before and I was suprised at the dearth of Lazarus and FreePascal bloggers. Getting Lazarus and

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 17.02.2013 09:55, schrieb ik: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org mailto:flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 16.02.2013 20:45, schrieb geneb: On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 tel:2013, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I tried something like this

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.orgwrote: Am 17.02.2013 09:55, schrieb ik: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org mailto:flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 16.02.2013 20:45, schrieb geneb: On Sat, 16 Feb

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 17.02.2013 10:40, schrieb ik: When I hear stuff like sure pascal is cool but lack of good string support, I think that it is more self explanatory then anything. At the local open source community I'm a known evangelist for Object Pascal, and my blog is full of

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Sven Barth
Am 16.02.2013 22:14 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org: On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, geneb wrote: On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I tried something like this before and I was suprised at the dearth of Lazarus and FreePascal bloggers. Getting Lazarus and FPC

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.orgwrote: Am 17.02.2013 10:40, schrieb ik: When I hear stuff like sure pascal is cool but lack of good string support, I think that it is more self explanatory then anything. At the local open source

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Sven Barth
On 17.02.2013 12:58, Florian Klämpfl wrote: and that's partly because of you. Well and partly you :) I'am pretty sure that some of the developers would blog about their work if somebody pays them for blogging. But you don't do so (obviously I understand this), they have to earn their living by

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 17.02.2013 10:53, schrieb ik: Pascal is only one programming language I use, and only for hobby, not for make a living, The same applies here. and that's partly because of you. Well and partly you :) I'am pretty sure that some of the developers would blog about

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Frank Church
On 17 February 2013 12:48, Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.fpc-pas...@telemetry.co.uk wrote: Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 17.02.2013 10:53, schrieb ik: Pascal is only one programming language I use, and only for hobby, not for make a living, The same applies here. and that's partly because of

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Frank Church
On 17 February 2013 09:35, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 17.02.2013 09:55, schrieb ik: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org mailto:flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 16.02.2013 20:45, schrieb geneb: On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 tel:2013,

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Sven Barth
On 17.02.2013 14:40, Frank Church wrote: On 17 February 2013 09:35, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 17.02.2013 09:55, schrieb ik: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org mailto:flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 16.02.2013 20:45, schrieb

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Frank Church wrote: And sometimes, having a high-profile blogger pushing one particular product can be counterproductive since he ends up a figure of fun. Would the said high-profile blogger be Zarko of delphi.about.com, who is referenced here -

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.orgwrote: Am 17.02.2013 10:53, schrieb ik: Pascal is only one programming language I use, and only for hobby, not for make a living, The same applies here. and that's partly because of you. Well and partly you :)

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 17.02.2013 15:36, schrieb ik: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 tel:2013 at 1:58 PM, Florian Klämpfl Why is it that FPC/K now exists for 20 years as an open source project, and you can't earn money for developing it, Actually, I'am not interested in earning money with it. while Linus that have

Re: [fpc-pascal] Compiling arm-embedded fpc

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 17.02.2013 09:28, schrieb Florian Klämpfl: Am 14.02.2013 21:34, schrieb Michael Ring: I did a grep through the fpc sourcecode and found a reference in ./compiler/systems/t_linux.pas in an arm related ifdef section add(' .note.gnu.build-id : { *(.note.gnu.build-id) }'); so

Re: [fpc-pascal] Compiling arm-embedded fpc

2013-02-17 Thread Michael Ring
Hi Florian, I am not sure if this was completely clear to you, this problem only seems to exist on linux, my primary platform is mac, there this is not necessary, also not on windows. After Koenraad expirienced this problem on 30.01.2013 I tried on my Fedora 18 linux system and found the same

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 17.02.2013 15:36, schrieb ik: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 tel:2013 at 1:58 PM, Florian Klämpfl Why is it that FPC/K now exists for 20 years as an open source project, and you can't earn money for developing

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013, ik wrote: FPC is still growing so what is your point? If a tree fall in the forest and no one hear about it, did it made a sound ? My point is that features are good, but when on one knows about it, then what's the point of it all ? I will repeat myself. I have said

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 17.02.2013 18:10, schrieb ik: For what? For the fun? FPC is probably by far the most successful non company supported oss compiler so I'am sure I know what is important. Yes to solve everything but keep it for yourself :P Wrong: FPC is OSS so I don't keep it for myself, if people

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread waldo kitty
On 2/17/2013 04:45, Sven Barth wrote: Am 16.02.2013 22:14 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org: True. But I think Florian (or my) time is better spent on actaul coding. Let people that like blogs do the blogging. They're almost certainly going to be better at it. I'm doing

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Tomas Hajny
On Sun, February 17, 2013 18:10, ik wrote: . . Yes to solve everything but keep it for yourself :P You (and many others) can use it (and do so as seen from download statistics, bug reports, etc.), right? . . Should I continue, or do you get my point ? . . Better not with this

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread waldo kitty
On 2/17/2013 12:44, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: What I (and Florian) are trying to say is that our limited time is better spent on coding than on spreading the news of FPC. But no-one is stopping you from spreading the news, on the contrary. We'll be glad that you do, because it means you think

Re: [fpc-pascal] Compiling arm-embedded fpc

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 17.02.2013 17:50, schrieb Michael Ring: Hi Florian, I am not sure if this was completely clear to you, this problem only seems to exist on linux, my primary platform is mac, there this is not necessary, also not on windows. Yes I know. But I wonder why linux would need this. This is not

Re: [fpc-pascal] Compiling arm-embedded fpc

2013-02-17 Thread Michael Ring
I did a quick check on Mac Linux, on both platforms compiling loading resulting .elf file into gdb works fine. Thank you very much, Michael Am 17.02.13 19:57, schrieb Florian Klämpfl: Am 17.02.2013 17:50, schrieb Michael Ring: Hi Florian, I am not sure if this was completely clear to you,

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Frank Church
On 17 February 2013 17:10, ik ido...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 17.02.2013 15:36, schrieb ik: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 tel:2013 at 1:58 PM, Florian Klämpfl Why is it that FPC/K now exists for 20 years as an open

[fpc-pascal] Modular Qt4Pas

2013-02-17 Thread Krzysztof
Hi, Simple hello world application created in QT Creator has only basic QT dependencies (libqtgui, libqtcore and libqtwidgets). But Qt4Pas has static linked api for all QT modules, so creating hello world in free pascal need also libqtnetworking, libwebkit (33 MB!) and even libsqlite and more.

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 17.02.2013 20:31, schrieb Frank Church: One more thing lest I forget. The official FPC documentation is very good, especially for documents created by volunteers and hobbyists. That it is not accompanied by examples c:\fpc\docsdir ex*.pp /s | grep -c ex 668 What do I miss?

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Frank Church vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2013 17:10, ik ido...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 17.02.2013 15:36, schrieb ik: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 tel:2013 at 1:58 PM,

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Frank Church
On 17 February 2013 19:35, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 17.02.2013 20:31, schrieb Frank Church: One more thing lest I forget. The official FPC documentation is very good, especially for documents created by volunteers and hobbyists. That it is not accompanied by examples

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Leonardo M . Ramé
From: ik ido...@gmail.com To: FPC-Pascal users discussions fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal I don't need an IDE to develop Pascal, unlike Java for example, I can

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Frank Church vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2013 19:35, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 17.02.2013 20:31, schrieb Frank Church: One more thing lest I forget. The official FPC documentation is very good, especially for documents

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Leonardo M. Ramé martinr...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ik ido...@gmail.com To: FPC-Pascal users discussions fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object

Re: [fpc-pascal] dglOpenGL - GL, GLu, GLExt

2013-02-17 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Juha Manninen said: There is an OpenGL unit named dglOpenGL, maintained by www.delphigl.com, and used by many projects. I want to use the units provided by FPC instead, namely GL, GLu and GLext. Mostly everything can be found from those units, except for one

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Frank Church
On 17 February 2013 20:30, ik ido...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Frank Church vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2013 17:10, ik ido...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 17.02.2013 15:36, schrieb ik:

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread waldo kitty
On 2/17/2013 14:35, Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 17.02.2013 20:31, schrieb Frank Church: One more thing lest I forget. The official FPC documentation is very good, especially for documents created by volunteers and hobbyists. That it is not accompanied by examples c:\fpc\docsdir ex*.pp /s | grep

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Rainer Stratmann
Am Sunday 17 February 2013 18:45:50 schrieb Florian Klämpfl: Am 17.02.2013 18:10, schrieb ik: Nice, Pascal is at the same level of usage and exposure as gcc, Linux kernel and llvm, And you think some fancy webpage filled with java script (which is turned off in my browser) would change

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread waldo kitty
On 2/17/2013 19:40, Rainer Stratmann wrote: Am Sunday 17 February 2013 18:45:50 schrieb Florian Klämpfl: Am 17.02.2013 18:10, schrieb ik: Nice, Pascal is at the same level of usage and exposure as gcc, Linux kernel and llvm, And you think some fancy webpage filled with java script (which is

Re: [fpc-pascal] Modular Qt4Pas

2013-02-17 Thread zeljko
On Sunday 17 of February 2013 20:31:32 Krzysztof wrote: Hi, Simple hello world application created in QT Creator has only basic QT dependencies (libqtgui, libqtcore and libqtwidgets). But Qt4Pas has static linked api for all QT modules, so creating hello world in free pascal need also

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread ik
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Frank Church vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2013 20:30, ik ido...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Frank Church vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2013 17:10, ik ido...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Florian

Re: [fpc-pascal] OT a bit - Planet Object Pascal

2013-02-17 Thread Florian Klämpfl
waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net schrieb: On 2/17/2013 14:35, Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 17.02.2013 20:31, schrieb Frank Church: One more thing lest I forget. The official FPC documentation is very good, especially for documents created by volunteers and hobbyists. That it is not