Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Hi, On 04/02/16 21:33, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > >> Disappointed :( > > Well, such is life. I'm also disappointed that my bank account doesn't > contain millions. But I learned to live with it :-) > > But all hope is not lost

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Fri, 5 Feb 2016, Lukasz Sokol wrote: But introducing 2 new operators based on words (a-z, not 16 bit) means 2 new keywords and causes conflicts. Except if "then" and "else" are used (but without "if") x := 1 < 3 then 5 else 4; No. Think about the ambiguities that arise if you use this

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 05/02/16 09:48, Marco van de Voort wrote: > In our previous episode, Lukasz Sokol said: >> What of >> >> x := ( condition, true:=truevalue, false:=falsevalue); > > Clashes too much with _() from dxgettext. > Uh, ok. then what about double braces (( and )) ? Oh and using ';' for condition

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 05/02/16 10:35, Andreas wrote: > > On Fri 05/02/2016 07:49, Lukasz Sokol wrote: >> That it's C, not Pascal ;) and, um. sorry I do not have a c spec on hand, >> does it really work that way in C - only evaluates truevalue or falsevalue >> not both? >> >> I wrote another one in another email,

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Michael Van Canneyt wrote: What if it required use of braces: x := (expression then truevalue else falsevalue); Let's make it simple: The use of "if", "then" and "else" are not up for discussion. Jonas has told us to drop this, but please could I ask for a clarification: is that your

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

In our previous episode, Lukasz Sokol said: > What of > > x := ( condition, true:=truevalue, false:=falsevalue); Clashes too much with _() from dxgettext. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Am 05.02.2016 10:46 schrieb "Lukasz Sokol" : > > On 05/02/16 09:22, Lukasz Sokol wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 04/02/16 21:33, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > >> > >>> Disappointed :( > >> > >> Well, such is life.

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Michael Van Canneyt wrote: The only use case that would be gained is the non-evaluation of one of the arguments. Yes, and that's pretty much the only use that I could think of, but it would be very convenient when testing for a variable to be assigned and give a default value it if is not.

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Fri, 5 Feb 2016, Lukasz Sokol wrote: On 05/02/16 09:23, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Fri, 5 Feb 2016, Lukasz Sokol wrote: But introducing 2 new operators based on words (a-z, not 16 bit) means 2 new keywords and causes conflicts. Except if "then" and "else" are used (but without

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 05/02/16 09:45, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > [...] >> so I think no /current/ keywords would be allowed either... I see. > > Anything that spells 'statement' is indeed going to meet with fierce > resistance. > >> >> What of >> >> x := ( condition, true:=truevalue, false:=falsevalue); > >

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Dňa 5.2.2016 o 11:50 Lukasz Sokol napísal(a): On 05/02/16 10:35, Andreas wrote: On Fri 05/02/2016 07:49, Lukasz Sokol wrote: That it's C, not Pascal ;) and, um. sorry I do not have a c spec on hand, does it really work that way in C - only evaluates truevalue or falsevalue not both? I wrote

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Hello everybody, Since we're getting back to the same sort of discussion, I'd like to remind three statements (before closing this thread here similarly to the other two): 1) Sven wrote: "There will be *no* replacement in the foreseeable future. This is not up for discussion." 2) Michael wrote:

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 05/02/16 11:22, Tomas Hajny wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Since we're getting back to the same sort of discussion, I'd like to > remind three statements (before closing this thread here similarly to the > other two): > [...] > Tomas > (one of the FPC mailing list moderators) Will you or

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Il 05/02/2016 10:58, Michael Van Canneyt ha scritto: And please remember, we do not NEED this construct; the added value is marginal as I indicated. Simply not adding is an option. Not all change is necessarily progress. +1 C philosophy is to save *typing* time. Pascal philosophy is to save

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Lukasz Sokol wrote on Fri, 05 Feb 2016: Will you or other moderators, accept a request of subscription of fpc-other coming from either automated process on gmane.org or from gmane admins? I believe fpc-other would be a worthy addition on gmane.org. After your previous mail about this, I

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 05/02/16 12:26, Jonas Maebe wrote: > > Lukasz Sokol wrote on Fri, 05 Feb 2016: > >> Will you or other moderators, accept a request of subscription of fpc-other >> coming from either automated process on gmane.org or from gmane admins? >> >> I believe fpc-other would be a worthy addition on

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 05/02/16 07:03, Sven Barth wrote: > Am 04.02.2016 23:43 schrieb "Martin" >: >> >> On 04/02/2016 22:13, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: You mean like literally using "?" and

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 05/02/16 09:23, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 2016, Lukasz Sokol wrote: > But introducing 2 new operators based on words (a-z, not 16 bit) means 2 new keywords and causes conflicts. Except if "then" and "else" are used (but without "if") x := 1 < 3 then

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 05/02/16 09:22, Lukasz Sokol wrote: > Hi, > > On 04/02/16 21:33, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: >> >>> Disappointed :( >> >> Well, such is life. I'm also disappointed that my bank account doesn't >> contain millions. But I learned to

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:08:57 +0100 LacaK wrote: > Why not just reuse C: >x := condition ? truevalue : falsevalue ; > As stated before. > May be only for {$COPERATORS ON} > (So it will not influence Pascal language, but for those who want use > it, can enable this syntax

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 2016-02-04 21:33, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > I'm also disappointed that my bank account doesn't contain millions. > But I learned to live with it :-) Ah, you give up too soon. ;-) Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpc-pascal maillist -

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

2016-02-04 18:41 GMT-02:00 Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho < felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com>: > Disappointed :( > > Why was it done? I thought that pretty much everyone was in favor? > > Due to the fact that we like flame, flame and flame > It isn't very pascalish, that's true, but we could

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Mazola Winstrol wrote: > Lets wait for the Delphi implementation so, we will not start a new flame. You mean like "wait 5-10 years until they decide independently that they want to do it" or are there serious plans for Delphi to support this,

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Disappointed :( Well, such is life. I'm also disappointed that my bank account doesn't contain millions. But I learned to live with it :-) But all hope is not lost yet. Why was it done? I thought that pretty much everyone was in

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > b) a ? b : c > From the people that responded in the core discussion, the majority was for > the a ? b : c syntax, or not adding at all (not all replied). You mean like literally using "?" and ":" ? > If

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 2016-02-04 22:25, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > You're more than welcome to donate. Shall I give you my IBAN ? > Can't promise it's tax-deductible, though :-) :-D G. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 2016-02-04 21:33, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > Samples of non-desirable constructs include: Thanks goodness. Looking at some of your examples, that is a whole new can of worms, and far from what I think the Pascal language stands for. Regards, - Graeme -

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

2016-02-04 19:13 GMT-02:00 Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho < felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com>: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Mazola Winstrol > wrote: > > Lets wait for the Delphi implementation so, we will not start a new > flame. > > You mean like "wait 5-10 years until

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

. __ Od: Sven Barth <pascaldra...@googlemail.com> Komu: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" <fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> Datum: 04.02.2016 20:25 Předmět: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed Hello together! The IfThen() intrinsic has been removed again. There wi

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > Disappointed :( >> > > Well, such is life. I'm also disappointed that my bank account doesn't > contain millions. But I learned to live with it :-) >

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: b) a ? b : c From the people that responded in the core discussion, the majority was for the a ? b : c syntax, or not adding at all (not all replied).

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 04/02/2016 22:13, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: You mean like literally using "?" and ":" ? Yes. As used in C-like languages. There was also voices for a more verbose solution. But introducing 2 new operators based on words (a-z, not

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 2016-02-04 21:33, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I'm also disappointed that my bank account doesn't contain millions. But I learned to live with it :-) Ah, you give up too soon. ;-) You're more than welcome to donate. Shall I give you my IBAN ?

[fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Hello together! The IfThen() intrinsic has been removed again. There will be *no* replacement in the foreseeable future. This is not up for discussion. Regards, Sven ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

luddite_clique 1 progressives 0 On 4 February 2016 at 19:25, Sven Barth wrote: > Hello together! > > The IfThen() intrinsic has been removed again. There will be *no* > replacement in the foreseeable future. This is not up for discussion. > > Regards, > Sven >

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On 2/4/16, John Lee wrote: > luddite_clique 1 progressives 0 Please don't start a flame war. Bart ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:44 PM, John Lee wrote: > luddite_clique 1 progressives 0 > > Just wait for Delphi to implement this... speaking of which, why they've not done it a long time ago? They could, but probably didn't do that, for very likely the same reasons. thanks,

Re: [fpc-pascal] IfThen() intrinsic removed

Disappointed :( Why was it done? I thought that pretty much everyone was in favor? It isn't very pascalish, that's true, but we could implement it like the proposed "inline if A then B else C" syntax... which is very pascalish and cool. thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho