FM12 is here!

2014-01-16 Thread Lin Sims
Hi Rick,

That's disappointing. Do you know if it's on the schedule to be fixed?

Lin


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Hi Lin,
>
>
>
> That hasn't been fixed.
>
>
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> 585-366-4017
>
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lin Sims
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:32 AM
> *To:* Kapil Verma
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: FM12 is here!
>
>
>
> Hi, Kapil,
>
> Your blog doesn't mention bug fixes. Has the SVG to PDF bug been fixed? My
> company needs to be able to search for text in the graphics we create, and
> that bug is really causing us problems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lin
>
>


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FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-23 Thread Lin Sims
Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.



On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
> default.
>
> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the tips
> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.
> >
> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put
> the
> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but
> they
> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to an
> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
> > with. :-)
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Re: [Framers] Framers archives are restored!

2016-01-19 Thread Lin Sims
Hot damn!

Thank you, and thank you to the people at MailArchive.com, also. That is
awesome.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Carol J. Elkins <celk...@awrittenword.com>
wrote:

> Framers, I'm happy to announce that the good people over at
> MailArchive.com have managed to restore all of the Framers archives dating
> back to 2005. There were over 64,573 of them!
>
> You can access the archives at
> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/
>
> The archives are totally searchable. You can display the posts by thread
> and by date.
>
> I hope this functionality helps solve lots of your Framemaker issues. But
> please continue to post your questions and helpful advice to the list
> because we like hearing from you and it's always better having multiple
> perspectives on a problem.
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Re: [Framers] Generate list of FrameMaker para, char, table, etc., formats?

2016-04-06 Thread Lin Sims
Oh, for ...

And I even OWN those.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Steve Rickaby <
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> At 17:35 + 6/4/16, Craig, Alison wrote:
>
> >The plug-ins are very inexpensive and highly useful and also include
> versions for Tables, Variables, Colors, etc.
>
> Seconded, in spades. And with knobs on.
>
> Although I would upgrade 'highly useful' to indispensable'.
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Re: [Framers] Generate list of FrameMaker para, char, table, etc., formats?

2016-04-05 Thread Lin Sims
MIF Muncher used to do that, and I even have a copy of it. However, it
hasn't been updated in well over a decade (that I know of), and I don't
know if it will run on Windows 7 (or 10). Still, if you want it, let me
know and I'll send it to you.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Nancy Allison <ma...@verizon.net> wrote:

>You know how Word enables you to generate a handy list of all your word
>styles and their attributes?
>Surely, surely FrameMaker enables us to do this!
>How? Can anyone tell me?
>Or, if in fact vanilla FM does not have this function, is there a
>plug-in that will do it?
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Re: [Framers] Generate list of FrameMaker para, char, table, etc., formats?

2016-04-05 Thread Lin Sims
And I should add that if you are running a 64-bit Windows OS, it will
DEFINITELY not work.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> MIF Muncher used to do that, and I even have a copy of it. However, it
> hasn't been updated in well over a decade (that I know of), and I don't
> know if it will run on Windows 7 (or 10). Still, if you want it, let me
> know and I'll send it to you.
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Nancy Allison <ma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>You know how Word enables you to generate a handy list of all your word
>>styles and their attributes?
>>Surely, surely FrameMaker enables us to do this!
>>How? Can anyone tell me?
>>Or, if in fact vanilla FM does not have this function, is there a
>>plug-in that will do it?
>>Thank you very much!
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Re: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015

2016-03-24 Thread Lin Sims
Would using a number font that has circle backgrounds work? There are a
whole bunch at this site:

http://www.fontscape.com/explore?3O4

There are several fonts that let you number up to 99 with them, but that
should be plenty.



On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:

> Hello Framers,
>
>
>
> Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client
> of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from
> FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file
> that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me
> know
> if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> 585-366-4017
>
> r...@frameexpert.com
>
>
>
>
>
> I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with
> FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets,
> and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you
> may or may not recall since it's been so long.
>
>
>
> Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs.
>
>
>
> The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font
> called
> BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph.
>
>
>
> The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed
> by another tab. The autonumber is white.
>
>
>
> Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the
> effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet.
>
>
>
> But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with
> a
> run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs
> out
> at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve
> the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not
> enough negative spread to center the number.
>
>
>
> To illustrate:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with
> numbered
> bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is
> daunting and of course undesirable.
>
>
>
> Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in
> command so they work together the way they used to.
>
>
>
> Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the
> problem?
>
>
>
> I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to
> experiment and find a solution.
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Move Markers script

2016-04-22 Thread Lin Sims
You mean this link? It works fine for me. I just downloaded the file.

http://frameautomation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/SetBookmarkLevels.zip

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Michael Norton <mnor...@openspan.com>
wrote:

> I'm looking for a FrameScript named MoveMarkers. It was mentioned here:
>
> http://frameautomation.com/category/freescripts/
>
> But the link no longer works. Is this script still available and, if so,
> where?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [Framers] Move Markers script

2016-04-22 Thread Lin Sims
Yeah, I read down further on the page into the comments section. Rick can't
find the script, it says, so hopefully someone on the list downloaded it
when it was available and can provide a copy.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Michael Norton <mnor...@openspan.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Lin, I got an “Oops, can’t find the page” response.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Michael Norton* *|* Lead Technical Writer *|**o:* (678) 527.5412 *|* *f:*
>  (678) 264.0908
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 9:41 AM
> *To:* Michael Norton <mnor...@openspan.com>
> *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Framers] Move Markers script
>
>
>
> You mean this link? It works fine for me. I just downloaded the file.
>
>
> http://frameautomation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/SetBookmarkLevels.zip
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Michael Norton <mnor...@openspan.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a FrameScript named MoveMarkers. It was mentioned here:
>
> http://frameautomation.com/category/freescripts/
>
> But the link no longer works. Is this script still available and, if so,
> where?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [Framers] Move Markers script

2016-04-22 Thread Lin Sims
Oh, bugger, wrong file. Sorry!

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You mean this link? It works fine for me. I just downloaded the file.
>
>
> http://frameautomation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/SetBookmarkLevels.zip
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Michael Norton <mnor...@openspan.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a FrameScript named MoveMarkers. It was mentioned here:
>>
>> http://frameautomation.com/category/freescripts/
>>
>> But the link no longer works. Is this script still available and, if so,
>> where?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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>> 264.0908
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Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation

2016-05-20 Thread Lin Sims
Can't get a new tool. Can't get a new font, either. I did try the
diacritical marks on the Equation palette, that was the "too small and too
high". I also tried using FrameMaker's Character Palette; that was the "too
small, so close it got lost in the rest of the actual character."

I _believe_ the W is the standard representation of this quantity.

If the attached .png comes through, you can see what I need to create.

[image: Inline image 1]

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Fred Ridder <docu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Umm, what you say about Word's equation editor is not entirely accurate.
> Microsoft used to use a reduced version of MathType as Word's built in
> equation editor; but as of Word 2007, the default equation editor is a
> brand-new tool, developed in-house by Microsoft. The old MathType-based
> editor is supported primarily to render legacy equations.
>
> -FR
>
> 
> From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com>
> on behalf of Craig W. Johnson <c...@well.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:49 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
>
> The unicode code for combining (i.e. zero-width) circumflex is hex 0302,
> and it should follow the character it appears above. If you don't have a
> unicode entry method handy, using Frame's replace function - "W" with
> "W\u0302" - will get you the code, BUT, you need the circumflex to be
> declared in a font that will show the code (Times New Roman or Arial both
> work). You'll still need to do some fussing with changing the spread of the
> W, and moving the mark vertically.
>
> I set a lot of books with a lot of math, and rather than mess with
> FrameMaker's editor, or continually potschke things together by hand, I
> rely on MathType, which will produce any number of outputs, including EPS
> and bitmap formats. It saves a lot of time because it's a superset of
> Word's equation editor, and usually Word equations import seamlessly (or at
> least more reliably than much else imports from Word). You can also specify
> something akin to named stylesheets for font and positioning in equations
> (so you can have, say, separate styles for text equations and table
> equations), and support for micro-positioning is good. It also has support
> for TeX, which is another option here, but setting that up and using it
> makes Frame's learning curve look like a walk in the park.
>
> Of course, using any auxiliary app will also gives you a bunch of graphics
> files to keep track of, but if your math is at all complicated it's
> probably worthwhile.
>
> MathType for Windows costs around $100 and may be downloaded as a 30-day
> unfettered demo from <
> http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/default.htm>. It's also
> available in a strong Mac version, for those (like me) who prefer running
> Frame using a VM.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Craig Johnson
> Remex Publishing
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Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation

2016-05-20 Thread Lin Sims
Oh, this looks VERY useful. Thanks for this. Also to Klaus for keeping a
copy around.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> This might help, though it sounds like maybe there's a bug in FM.
>
> http://www.daube.ch/docu/files/FrameLaTeXTemplate.pdf
>
> How about rendering the Word formula to PDF and inserting that as an image?
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can't get a new tool. Can't get a new font, either. I did try the
> > diacritical marks on the Equation palette, that was the "too small and
> too
> > high". I also tried using FrameMaker's Character Palette; that was the
> "too
> > small, so close it got lost in the rest of the actual character."
> >
> > I _believe_ the W is the standard representation of this quantity.
> >
> > If the attached .png comes through, you can see what I need to create.
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Re: [Framers] Rick's Ride and Suggestions for Plugin

2016-05-19 Thread Lin Sims
 And if you have any spare time , something I'd love would be a way to get the color pick menu to NOT
show all the generated colors, such as PANTONE 556U or fm_gen_##.

I don't need or want to see them. I want to see the ones my company (or I)
have defined for use. It is way too easy to miss the color you're looking
for when various graphics have added several hundred generically named
items.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have documentation for the original CleanImports plugin?
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-366-4017
> r...@frameexpert.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: O'Laoghaire Micheal [mailto:M.O'laogha...@oberthur.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:43 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; r...@rickquatro.com
> Subject: RE: Rick's Ride and Suggestions for Plugin
>
> I'd back an updated re-creation of the CleanImports plugin.
>
> Rick, good luck with the ride.
>
>
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> Oberthur Technologies,
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Re: [Framers] What causes documentation to fail

2016-05-20 Thread Lin Sims
I'd say that the biggest problem is having managers and SMEs who consider
documentation to be of little or no importance compared to their "real"
work, so their responsibility to provide information or answer questions or
perform reviews is ignored or skimped on.

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> Aren't bullet points subject to the "universal" 7 +/-2 rule? If so, 10
> bullets would be doomed to failure. But John's original list would be OK at
> 8 bullets.
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Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation

2016-05-20 Thread Lin Sims
It is an estimated value hat over a W matrix.

I think I'll grab a screenshot, assuming our corporate style standards
allow, and I believe they do.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM, William Saylor <wsay...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Alan,
> I feel your pain. If you have to do this a lot MathType is not very
> expensive and easy to use in FM (either OLE or MathML).  IMHO it is
> becoming
> the most widely used equation editor for hundreds of applications.
> I assume you are adding the "estimated value" hat over a W matrix.
> The MT output to me looks better than anything else I have seen.
> Bill
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> Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:03 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
>
> My preference is to use TeX/LaTeX to produce a pdf of the equation. To be
> honest, I never really had a lot of joy with Frame's equation editor and
> the
> output from TeX is far superior to most other tools.
>
> You can make your learning curve shallower by using one of the many online
> LaTeX equation tools. They all do pretty much the same thing because they
> all use pretty much the same binaries to do it with.
>
> Without thorough testing, this tool seems to provide what I would be
> looking
> for (direct input of TeX code, pdf output, some examples):
> https://www.latex4technics.com
>
> Here is where you can learn about writing the code:
> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics
>
> Here is a link to all the symbols you might want (all 14032 of them)
> http://tug.ctan.org/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf
> Go to page 100 to find the hat code and other diacritics. e.g. \hat{W} vs
> \mathring{W} or \bar{a}
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 21/05/16 4:05 am, Lin Sims wrote:
> > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I
> > need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a
> > capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look
> > like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been
> > placed over the W. It is VERY visible.
> >
> > I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation
> > editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above
> > the letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but
> > again, the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough
> > to the letter that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using
> > repositioning to move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find
> > anything like that in the character sets (still looking).
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes
> > to worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort
> > of workaround. It feels sloppy.
> >
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[Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation

2016-05-20 Thread Lin Sims
One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to
reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with
what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle
bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It
is VERY visible.

I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation
editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above the
letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but again,
the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough to the letter
that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using repositioning to
move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find anything like that in
the character sets (still looking).

Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes to
worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort of
workaround. It feels sloppy.

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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-10 Thread Lin Sims
This is my first time working with conditional expressions, as opposed to
simple on/off conditions, and it's entirely possible I'm overthinking it.
I've spent some time with grids and a coworker, and I think I've
(hopefully) worked it out. Now to write it up so I don't forget.

The basic issue is that this set of files is generating documents for two
closely related IPs (A and B), and I currently have two audiences for it
(Internal and External), and there may be another audience (Customer1)
being added at some point in the future. Each has their own condition
(currently 4, potentially 5)

Now, I've been trained to put a condition tag on text for each condition
that applies to it, and I think what was happening was that I was getting
confused about what to do in one VERY specific instance: that of the
customer getting SOME but not ALL of the internal information for that IP.
Normally, I'd tag that with Internal and Customer1 and IP (if it happened
to be IP-specific).

What I eventually did was create a clean document with a two-column table.
Each column had the condition names, 1 per row, in both columns. Then in
the right-hand column I applied the same condition. Then I worked out which
information should be visible for each book and added things in and out of
the Condition Expression until only what I wanted to see was visible. Once
I'd done that a couple of times, the others were mostly easy enough to work
out.

Just in case, though, I've copied the expressions into each book's settings
file AND into a OneNote notebook I keep on each project. The expressions
themselves turned out to be a LOT simpler than what I thought I'd need to
get the results I wanted (that overthinking bit again).

Thanks to those who offered suggestions.



On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> The standard approach is to have tags InternalOnly and ExternalOnly.
> If you want something to appear in both, you use neither tag.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Whoops. I take back that last. If I have something tagged as
> >
> > A + Internal + External
> >
> > and I want it to show in the A+External book, the expression
> >
> > "A" and not ("B" or "Internal")
> >
> > hides it.
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-10 Thread Lin Sims
Yours is a more elegant solution. As I said before, this is my first
go-around with Conditional expressions. It didn't help at all that the
standard I was told to apply here was to tag text with the condition for
the book I want to produce. That produced some odd results I can no longer
recall (mostly because I had text tagged for both Internal and Cust01).

What I wound up with, in variations, is as follows:

For a book where I want IP A and Cust01, but not IP B or Internal, I used:

"IP A" or "Cust01" and not ("IP B" or ("IP A" and "Internal"))

It works.




On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> ("A" or "External" or ("A" and "External")) could be simplified to
>
> ("A" or "External")
>
> not (("A" and "Internal") or "B" or ("B" and "External") or "TBP or
> "WriterNote")
>
> could be simplified to
>
> not ("A" and "Internal") or "B"  or "TBP or "WriterNote")
>
> But it's not clear why you can't just use
>
> not ("Internal" or "B"  or "TBP or "WriterNote")
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-10 Thread Lin Sims
Internal is (sometimes) being combined with tags that specify the IP. For
example, in the Only We Get to Look At It version of the book for IP A,
there will be information that is specific to IP A that is not supposed to
be visible to external customers, and we don't want to provide any IP B
information in the book because, while they are similar, they aren't the
same and the internal customers don't want to see it.

One of the "rules" I learned somewhere was to either have all your
conditions say what the text is IN, or have them all say what the text is
NOT in, because (I was told) it could get confusing if some conditions were
for when you did want text and others where for when you didn't want it.  I
generally pick what I want the text to be in.

So my environment at the moment has two separate IPs, and two (or maybe 3)
separate audiences, so that was how I defined my conditions (plus the two
spare that are only seen in review drafts).

People inside the company get to see everything for a particular IP, so
their book has generic plus internal information for the IP plus the one
special customer's information for the IP.

People outside the company (who aren't the specific customer) get to see
the generic information for the IP.

People who work for that one special customer get to see the generic
information for the IP plus the customer-specific information for the IP
but NOT the internal information for the IP.

I had considered doing separate tags for each combination, but I could see
the number of possible combinations getting wildly out of hand.

There's the additional issue that I while I usually know which IP the
information is for (if it isn't generic), I don't always know who the
audience is. It can change. The IP has been known to change. ("Oh, we said
it was IP A and everyone could see it? Sorry, it's actually for both IP A
and IP B, but only we and Cust01 get to see it.")

Robert's "not" suggestion seems to be working correctly to generate the 6
books I believe I'll need, but I will probably do some more testing to be
sure, since I don't entirely understand how Frame is handling conditions. I
honestly thought I had to explicitly state all the combinations I did want
and all the ones I didn't want (hence the crashes and the plea for help).

Again, thanks to all (and particularly Robert) for all the help.

Time to go home.


On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Generally speaking, when defining a set of conditions, you want to (1)
> minimize the amount of text that has to be tagged, (2) minimize
> multiple tagging, (3) maximize unconditional text, and (4) define the
> minimum number of conditions to achieve that.
>
> Sometimes that means defining conditions for text to be included,
> other times it means defining conditions for text to be excluded. Best
> practice, those should be named so as to indicate their function, for
> example IncludeInFoo, OnlyInFoo, and ExcludeFromFoo.
>
> I'm not sure why an Internal tag would ever be combined with any other
> tag. External should be unnecessary since it means the same thing as
> the absence of the Internal tag.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yours is a more elegant solution. As I said before, this is my first
> > go-around with Conditional expressions. It didn't help at all that the
> > standard I was told to apply here was to tag text with the condition for
> the
> > book I want to produce. That produced some odd results I can no longer
> > recall (mostly because I had text tagged for both Internal and Cust01).
> >
> > What I wound up with, in variations, is as follows:
> >
> > For a book where I want IP A and Cust01, but not IP B or Internal, I
> used:
> >
> > "IP A" or "Cust01" and not ("IP B" or ("IP A" and "Internal"))
> >
> > It works.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> ("A" or "External" or ("A" and "External")) could be simplified to
> >>
> >> ("A" or "External")
> >>
> >> not (("A" and "Internal") or "B" or ("B" and "External") or "TBP or
> >> "WriterNote")
> >>
> >> could be simplified to
> >>
> >> not ("A" and "Internal") or "B"  or "TBP or "WriterNote")
> >>
> >> But it's not clear why you can't just use
> >>
> >> not ("Internal" or "B"  or "TBP or "WriterNote")
&g

Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-10 Thread Lin Sims
Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that the text
that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition for
that version, and then in all the other versions (where it doesn't appear),
you NOT it.

I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> If you have much content that is used in all versions, defining
> conditional text to be excluded with NOT is simpler and less work.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > One of the "rules" I learned somewhere was to either have all your
> > conditions say what the text is IN, or have them all say what the text is
> > NOT in, because (I was told) it could get confusing if some conditions
> were
> > for when you did want text and others where for when you didn't want
> it.  I
> > generally pick what I want the text to be in.
> >
> > So my environment at the moment has two separate IPs, and two (or maybe
> 3)
> > separate audiences, so that was how I defined my conditions (plus the two
> > spare that are only seen in review drafts).
> >
> > People inside the company get to see everything for a particular IP, so
> > their book has generic plus internal information for the IP plus the one
> > special customer's information for the IP.
> >
> > People outside the company (who aren't the specific customer) get to see
> the
> > generic information for the IP.
> >
> > People who work for that one special customer get to see the generic
> > information for the IP plus the customer-specific information for the IP
> but
> > NOT the internal information for the IP.
> >
> > I had considered doing separate tags for each combination, but I could
> see
> > the number of possible combinations getting wildly out of hand.
> >
> > There's the additional issue that I while I usually know which IP the
> > information is for (if it isn't generic), I don't always know who the
> > audience is. It can change. The IP has been known to change. ("Oh, we
> said
> > it was IP A and everyone could see it? Sorry, it's actually for both IP A
> > and IP B, but only we and Cust01 get to see it.")
> >
> > Robert's "not" suggestion seems to be working correctly to generate the 6
> > books I believe I'll need, but I will probably do some more testing to be
> > sure, since I don't entirely understand how Frame is handling
> conditions. I
> > honestly thought I had to explicitly state all the combinations I did
> want
> > and all the ones I didn't want (hence the crashes and the plea for help).
> >
> > Again, thanks to all (and particularly Robert) for all the help.
> >
> > Time to go home.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Generally speaking, when defining a set of conditions, you want to (1)
> >> minimize the amount of text that has to be tagged, (2) minimize
> >> multiple tagging, (3) maximize unconditional text, and (4) define the
> >> minimum number of conditions to achieve that.
> >>
> >> Sometimes that means defining conditions for text to be included,
> >> other times it means defining conditions for text to be excluded. Best
> >> practice, those should be named so as to indicate their function, for
> >> example IncludeInFoo, OnlyInFoo, and ExcludeFromFoo.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure why an Internal tag would ever be combined with any other
> >> tag. External should be unnecessary since it means the same thing as
> >> the absence of the Internal tag.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Yours is a more elegant solution. As I said before, this is my first
> >> > go-around with Conditional expressions. It didn't help at all that the
> >> > standard I was told to apply here was to tag text with the condition
> for
> >> > the
> >> > book I want to produce. That produced some odd results I can no longer
> >> > recall (mostly because I had text tagged for both Internal and
> Cust01).
> >> >
> >> > What I wound up with, in variations, is as follows:
> >> >
> >> > For a book where I want IP A and Cust01, but not IP B or Internal, I
> >> > used:
> >> >
> >> > "IP A" or "Cust01" and not ("IP B" or ("IP A" and "Inte

Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-10 Thread Lin Sims
Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the External
tag.

Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not show to
customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our
customer and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to
anyone else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't
just import a variable definition to them. So for the sake of not having to
import page layouts as well as conditions and variables ... I have an
External tag.

Laughable, ain't it?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly,
> AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then the
> conditional expressions would be:
>
> for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or
> BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal)
> for A Cust version: not (AInternalOnly or BOnly or BCustOnly or
> BInternalOnly or Internal)
> for A internal version: not (BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly)
>
> If there's so little unconditional text that it makes sense to tag
> everything, it would probably be easier to switch to Flare.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that the
> text
> > that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition for
> > that version, and then in all the other versions (where it doesn't
> appear),
> > you NOT it.
> >
> > I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> If you have much content that is used in all versions, defining
> >> conditional text to be excluded with NOT is simpler and less work.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > One of the "rules" I learned somewhere was to either have all your
> >> > conditions say what the text is IN, or have them all say what the text
> >> > is
> >> > NOT in, because (I was told) it could get confusing if some conditions
> >> > were
> >> > for when you did want text and others where for when you didn't want
> it.
> >> > I
> >> > generally pick what I want the text to be in.
> >> >
> >> > So my environment at the moment has two separate IPs, and two (or
> maybe
> >> > 3)
> >> > separate audiences, so that was how I defined my conditions (plus the
> >> > two
> >> > spare that are only seen in review drafts).
> >> >
> >> > People inside the company get to see everything for a particular IP,
> so
> >> > their book has generic plus internal information for the IP plus the
> one
> >> > special customer's information for the IP.
> >> >
> >> > People outside the company (who aren't the specific customer) get to
> see
> >> > the
> >> > generic information for the IP.
> >> >
> >> > People who work for that one special customer get to see the generic
> >> > information for the IP plus the customer-specific information for the
> IP
> >> > but
> >> > NOT the internal information for the IP.
> >> >
> >> > I had considered doing separate tags for each combination, but I could
> >> > see
> >> > the number of possible combinations getting wildly out of hand.
> >> >
> >> > There's the additional issue that I while I usually know which IP the
> >> > information is for (if it isn't generic), I don't always know who the
> >> > audience is. It can change. The IP has been known to change. ("Oh, we
> >> > said
> >> > it was IP A and everyone could see it? Sorry, it's actually for both
> IP
> >> > A
> >> > and IP B, but only we and Cust01 get to see it.")
> >> >
> >> > Robert's "not" suggestion seems to be working correctly to generate
> the
> >> > 6
> >> > books I believe I'll need, but I will probably do some more testing to
> >> > be
> >> > sure, since I don't entirely understand how Frame is handling
> >> > conditions. I
> >> > honestly thought I had to explicitly state all the combinations I did
> >> > want
> >> > and all the ones 

Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Lin Sims
Hi Alison,

I guess I wasn't clear. The text is already in a variable. The problem is
that there are 3 different legalese variables I could use depending on
audience and a couple other factors. One variable is used when the document
is only for us; the other two are variations for external customers. I
don't feel like importing page layouts all the time, so instead of doing
that I put both of the needed variables in the master page and condition
them.

The language and the template are corporate standards, so I don't mess with
them.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com>
wrote:

> If the footer text is the only External text you need then it doesn't have
> to be a condition, it can be a variable instead.
>
> Create an "External" variable file with a single "Proprietary Footer"
> variable (containing the proprietary footer text) and an "All Other"
> variable file with a single - but empty - "Proprietary Footer" variable.
>
> Set up all relevant footers as required with the "Proprietary Footer"
> variable, then simply copy in the relevant variable file at the appropriate
> time and overwrite the "Proprietary Footer" variable as needed.
>
> Alison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=
> bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:08 PM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: Frame Users
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker
> with Internal Errors
>
> Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the External
> tag.
>
> Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
> language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not show to
> customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our
> customer and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to
> anyone else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't
> just import a variable definition to them. So for the sake of not having to
> import page layouts as well as conditions and variables ... I have an
> External tag.
>
> Laughable, ain't it?
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly,
> > AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then the
> > conditional expressions would be:
> >
> > for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or
> > BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal) for A Cust version: not
> > (AInternalOnly or BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal) for
> > A internal version: not (BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly)
> >
> > If there's so little unconditional text that it makes sense to tag
> > everything, it would probably be easier to switch to Flare.
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that
> > > the
> > text
> > > that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition
> > > for that version, and then in all the other versions (where it
> > > doesn't
> > appear),
> > > you NOT it.
> > >
> > > I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston
> > > <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> If you have much content that is used in all versions, defining
> > >> conditional text to be excluded with NOT is simpler and less work.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> > One of the "rules" I learned somewhere was to either have all
> > >> > your conditions say what the text is IN, or have them all say
> > >> > what the text is NOT in, because (I was told) it could get
> > >> > confusing if some conditions were for when you did want text and
> > >> > others where for when you didn't want
> > it.
> > >> > I
> > >> > generally pick what I want the text to be in.
> > >> >
> > >> > So my environment at the moment has two separate IPs, and two (or
> > maybe
> > >> > 3)
> > >> > separate audiences, so that was how I defined my conditions (plus
> > >> > the two spare that are only seen in review drafts).
> > >> >
> > 

Re: [Framers] ANN: Bottlenecks for the Ride for Roswell

2016-05-17 Thread Lin Sims
Personally, I'd love a replacement for the Clean Import plugin from the now
vanished ElectroPubs. Even when you're careful to keep the names the same,
it can be useful to strip out all the various tags and definitions and
layouts and references (especially, heaven help us, those color
definitions) so you know you have a blank slate to bring the new
information into. The only differences from the old version would be making
sure that if there's text with conditions in the document that that
particular condition tag is left untouched except for making it visible in
the resulting file and making it available book-wide.

On a far simpler front, an update to the old Cudspan TocBreaker would be
useful.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Urszula <urszulawither...@jetsetcom.net>
wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> How about paragraph alignment towards spine and away from spine? Anchored
> frames can be flexibly aligned this way, but not paragraphs! It would open
> great layout options both on master and body pages.
>
> Thanks for your offer to contribute your time.
>
> Urszula
>
> Urszula Witherell
> www.jetsetcom.net | www.trainingonsite.com
> 301.524.3165
>
> Sent from iPad
>
> > On May 16, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Framers,
> >
> > It is almost time for the annual Ride for Roswell to raise money for the
> > Roswell Park Cancer Center in Buffalo, NY. My son, Jason, and I will be
> > riding 102 miles on June 25th. Normally, I provide scripts or plugins to
> > those that donate. This year I want to do something different: I want
> you to
> > identify some FrameMaker bottlenecks that could be solved with
> scripting. If
> > I like your idea, I will develop a script and use that to raise money for
> > our ride.
> >
> > I have one script developed already: OpenAllSpecial. It opens all of the
> > documents in a book without any alerts. This is useful if you have a
> > FrameMaker crash and you have a bunch of recover files. The script will
> use
> > the recover files automatically. Or, perhaps you don't have all of the
> > graphics, but want to open all of the files anyway without alerts.
> >
> > Please email me with your ideas! Thank you very much.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > 585-366-4017
> > r...@frameexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Lin Sims
I wanted to thank you again for the help with this. I was looking at a
nightmare, and it's now just a bad memory. :-)

While it already seems to be working fine, I wanted to double-check
something. The expressions are set up as you suggested, to NOT the
conditions I don't want visible in a particular book.

However, instead of setting a condition for each book being generated
(which would involve determining all of the different valid condition
combinations; admittedly a small task in this book), I am layering tags,
mostly because that's how I already have it set up and I really don't want
to figure out how to revise the tags and their application across 400+
pages in multiple document and book files. The other reason is that I
rarely know ahead of time how many books will be coming out of the same set
of documents. There's always a minimum of two (internal and external), but
I'll often have new IP being added on months after I've started the
project.

Your suggestion works just as well with layered conditions as it does with
a condition tag set up for the particular combination of circumstances.

I was wondering, though, if you or anyone else had a lot of experience
doing it this way and if there were a limit to the number of layers that
could be used. I have a maximum of two tags on any given piece of
information at the moment, but I'm also looking ahead to other books sets I
have that can generate up to 7 or 8 documents where a piece of information
can appear in 4 but not the other 3, and there's not a lot of consistency
to the combinations. In other words, I'd rather have 7 or 8 conditions to
work with than the 20 or more that would be needed to cover all the
combinations that have appeared as new books are sourced from the same set
of documents. And yes, they really DO share enough information that it's
far better to single source than it is to split into separate projects.

So will using your suggestion keep working when information has been tagged
with more than two conditions, and is there a hard limit to how many
conditions can be layered this way?

I swear, I have to read that chapter again. Maybe several more times. And
I'd still like to know why my original expressions crashed things.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> I'd probably name that TrustedCustomerOnly (or NDACustomerOnly?)
> instead of External.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the
> External
> > tag.
> >
> > Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
> > language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not show
> to
> > customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our
> customer
> > and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to anyone
> > else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't just
> import
> > a variable definition to them. So for the sake of not having to import
> page
> > layouts as well as conditions and variables ... I have an External tag.
> >
> > Laughable, ain't it?
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly,
> >> AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then the
> >> conditional expressions would be:
> >>
> >> for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or
> >> BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal)
> >> for A Cust version: not (AInternalOnly or BOnly or BCustOnly or
> >> BInternalOnly or Internal)
> >> for A internal version: not (BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly)
> >>
> >> If there's so little unconditional text that it makes sense to tag
> >> everything, it would probably be easier to switch to Flare.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that the
> >> > text
> >> > that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition
> for
> >> > that version, and then in all the other versions (where it doesn't
> >> > appear),
> >> > you NOT it.
> >> >
> >> > I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If you have much content that is used in all versions, defining
> >> >> conditional te

Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Lin Sims
The company has standardized on Frame, so Flare is not an option.

We really need to be in DITA. We were doing that before we were acquired
and the centralized technical communications department got siloed to
individual business units, and my new boss decided that he wanted me to use
unstructured Frame because it was faster. And by that I mean, I'm wasn't
well acquainted with DITA or how it works with our DCMS, and he needed
something in a big, big hurry, and the overhead added too much time.

Time to do some stragedy planning.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> I found FrameMaker's conditions became hard to use and maintain with
> even three overlapping deliverables: in one case, for students,
> teachers, and system administrators, in another customers, managers,
> and sysadmins.
>
> Flare's reuse features are much more manageable and transparent for
> more complex projects.
>
> My guess is your original expressions caused crashes because the
> logical redundancies were too complicated for the parser to evaluate.
>
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wanted to thank you again for the help with this. I was looking at a
> > nightmare, and it's now just a bad memory. :-)
> >
> > While it already seems to be working fine, I wanted to double-check
> > something. The expressions are set up as you suggested, to NOT the
> > conditions I don't want visible in a particular book.
> >
> > However, instead of setting a condition for each book being generated
> (which
> > would involve determining all of the different valid condition
> combinations;
> > admittedly a small task in this book), I am layering tags, mostly because
> > that's how I already have it set up and I really don't want to figure out
> > how to revise the tags and their application across 400+ pages in
> multiple
> > document and book files. The other reason is that I rarely know ahead of
> > time how many books will be coming out of the same set of documents.
> There's
> > always a minimum of two (internal and external), but I'll often have new
> IP
> > being added on months after I've started the project.
> >
> > Your suggestion works just as well with layered conditions as it does
> with a
> > condition tag set up for the particular combination of circumstances.
> >
> > I was wondering, though, if you or anyone else had a lot of experience
> doing
> > it this way and if there were a limit to the number of layers that could
> be
> > used. I have a maximum of two tags on any given piece of information at
> the
> > moment, but I'm also looking ahead to other books sets I have that can
> > generate up to 7 or 8 documents where a piece of information can appear
> in 4
> > but not the other 3, and there's not a lot of consistency to the
> > combinations. In other words, I'd rather have 7 or 8 conditions to work
> with
> > than the 20 or more that would be needed to cover all the combinations
> that
> > have appeared as new books are sourced from the same set of documents.
> And
> > yes, they really DO share enough information that it's far better to
> single
> > source than it is to split into separate projects.
> >
> > So will using your suggestion keep working when information has been
> tagged
> > with more than two conditions, and is there a hard limit to how many
> > conditions can be layered this way?
> >
> > I swear, I have to read that chapter again. Maybe several more times. And
> > I'd still like to know why my original expressions crashed things.
> >
> > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd probably name that TrustedCustomerOnly (or NDACustomerOnly?)
> >> instead of External.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the
> >> > External
> >> > tag.
> >> >
> >> > Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
> >> > language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not
> show
> >> > to
> >> > customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our
> >> > customer
> >> > and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to
> anyone
> >> > else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't just
> >> > import
> >> > a variable definition to them. So for the 

Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
I wish it were by reference, but because of how our DCMS handles
unstructured Frame, we have to import by copy.

I don't think I'm aware of Save as Frame Image. I'll have to check.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Importing by reference (best practice) or copied in?
> Do you have Save as Frame Image activated or Off?
>
>
> Art Campbell
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>
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>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pertinents:
>>
>> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
>> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
>> Visio 2013
>>
>> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
>> blowing up the Frame file size.
>>
>> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>>
>> Visio file: 150,011
>> SVG file: 15,830
>>
>> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
>> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
>> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
>> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>>
>> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
>> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>>
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
As a small follow-up, the Import SVG settings are the defaults:

Raster Quality: 72 DPI
Width: SVG Width
Height: SVG Height

Still looking for Art's suggestion of save as frame image, but I doubt if
that's contributing.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
The PDF version of the graphic does not noticeably change the file size. I
am leaning toward some sort of corruption of the original Visio file, since
other SVGs saved out of the same instance of Visio are not having the same
effect.

I'll put redrawing the graphic on my ToDo list.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We use default settings for SVG import. No gradient shading. We use
> patterns or solid colors.
>
> I may try saving this graphic out to PDF and see what happens.
>
> This isn't an emergency so much as a nuisance and a cause for curiosity.
> I've got documents with hundreds of graphics in them, and I don't recall
> ever seeing this issue before. This particular file only has 2 graphics,
> and the other graphic does not cause anything like this bloat.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and
>> are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge.
>>
>> Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram
>> has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be
>> enormous.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
>> > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got
>> obliterated
>> > thanks to being bought by another corporation.
>> >
>> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
>> > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly
>> different.
>> >
>> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
>> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>> >>
>> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
>> >> worked the best.
>> >>
>> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
>> >> copying"). I always import by reference.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Pertinents:
>> >> >
>> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
>> >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
>> >> > Visio 2013
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
>> >> > just
>> >> > blowing up the Frame file size.
>> >> >
>> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>> >> >
>> >> > Visio file: 150,011
>> >> > SVG file: 15,830
>> >> >
>> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
>> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
>> >> > somewhat
>> >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688)
>> files
>> >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
>> >> > diagram
>> >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
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[Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
Pertinents:

Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
FrameMaker 12, latest patch
Visio 2013

I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
blowing up the Frame file size.

Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160

Visio file: 150,011
SVG file: 15,830

I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.

I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?

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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
We use default settings for SVG import. No gradient shading. We use
patterns or solid colors.

I may try saving this graphic out to PDF and see what happens.

This isn't an emergency so much as a nuisance and a cause for curiosity.
I've got documents with hundreds of graphics in them, and I don't recall
ever seeing this issue before. This particular file only has 2 graphics,
and the other graphic does not cause anything like this bloat.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and
> are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge.
>
> Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram
> has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be
> enormous.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> > thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> >
> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly
> different.
> >
> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> >>
> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> >> worked the best.
> >>
> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> >> copying"). I always import by reference.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Pertinents:
> >> >
> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> >> > Visio 2013
> >> >
> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
> >> > just
> >> > blowing up the Frame file size.
> >> >
> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> >> >
> >> > Visio file: 150,011
> >> > SVG file: 15,830
> >> >
> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
> >> > somewhat
> >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> >> >
> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> >> > diagram
> >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
thanks to being bought by another corporation.

I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.

Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>
> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> worked the best.
>
> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> copying"). I always import by reference.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Pertinents:
> >
> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> > Visio 2013
> >
> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> > blowing up the Frame file size.
> >
> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> >
> > Visio file: 150,011
> > SVG file: 15,830
> >
> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
> somewhat
> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> >
> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> diagram
> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>



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Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12

2016-05-06 Thread Lin Sims
Find some text tagged with Condition B. Edit > Copy Special > Conditional
Text Settings
Then Edit > Find Change; Select Conditional Text from the Find list, move
Condition C into the "In" window, select By Pasting in the To list, then
Find & Change All.

Or Find, then Change, rinse and repeat if you want to be sure you're
changing the right thing.

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Julie A Beste-Walz <
beste-wa...@dteenergy.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario.
> I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files.
> One of these conditional text tags was created and applied
> inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2
> conditional text tags.
> For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and
> Conditional Text C.
> The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and
> only tagged as Conditional Text B so
> that I can delete the Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C.
> Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag
> but that didn't work.
>
> Julie Beste-Walz
> Licensing Analyst
>
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
The choice of SVG is also because of the proposed switch to DITA, because
it scales whereas PNG doesn't, and also there is at least one group in the
company that runs scripts against the files for auditing purposes. They can
read the text in an SVG (or PDF) but not in a PNG graphic.

And as I said a little while ago, the conversion from Visio to PDF resulted
in a graphic that imported to Frame with no bloating issues.

It's just weird that the one graphic is doing this. I have, literally,
hundreds of images that were created and imported the same way, and none of
them are causing this kind of inflation. I'm leaning towards a corrupt
Visio file, and I may redraw it at some point to see if that makes a
difference.

Thanks all for the help. Sometimes you just need to bounce the idea off
others to get a grip on what's going on.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain <syed.hos...@aeris.net>
wrote:

> SVG is a vector format - very efficient, but needs to be rasterized for
> printing and display purposes. Usually converted on the fly (when
> output/printed) by tools that properly work with SVG.
>
> It is possible that FrameMaker creates bit-mapped images at the point of
> _importing_ the SVG - i.e., without keeping it in vector form.
>
> Then, depending on the dpi, combined with the size of the image, etc.,
> this may be resulting in a large image being brought in.
>
> Could also be that there is some inefficiency/bugginess in the SVG->bitmap
> conversion process in FrameMaker.
>
> Can you save the file as a PNG or PDF from Visio rather than SVG?
> FrameMaker may handle it better.
>
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format
>
> PDF are PNG are also public formats. Maybe you can talk to the people
> maintaining the corporate standards?
>
> Z
>
> BTW, a side-bar: _never_ use JPEG for business graphics, screen captures,
> line drawings, etc. ... you will hate the resulting dots and artifacts in
> the JPEG image! I always use PNG for these kinds of "images".
>
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-
> > bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin
> > Sims
> > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM
> > To: Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > Cc: Frame Users <framers@lists.frameusers.com>; TECHWR-L Writing
> > <techw...@lists.techwr-l.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
> >
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> >
> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.
> >
> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> > >
> > > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> worked the best.
> > >
> > > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> copying"). I always import by reference.
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com>
> wrote: Pertinents:
> > > >
> > > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12,
> latest patch Visio 2013
> > > >
> > > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
> just blowing up the Frame file size.
> > > >
> > > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> > > >
> > > > Visio file: 150,011
> > > > SVG file: 15,830
> > > >
> > > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> > > >
> > > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>



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[Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-10 Thread Lin Sims
FM12, latest patch
Win 7 Pro, 64-bit (not sure if it has the latest patches, that's IT's issue)

I'm trying to build some moderately complex conditional expressions. At the
moment I'm trying to account for 6 separate conditions, with a probable 7th
in the offing, but every time I try to build an expression, FM crashes with
"Internal Error" messages.

Current conditions:

A
B
Internal
External
TBP (to be provided)
WriterNote

For all final books, the TBP and WriterNote conditions are never shown.

I have 4 books to produce. They all follow a similar pattern to this one,
which is what I'm trying to set up for the A+External set:

Condition

Appears

A

Y

Internal

N

External

Y

A+Internal

N

A+External

Y

B

N

B+Internal

N

B+External

N

At the moment, I've gotten the A+Internal expression working, but I can't
build A+External, and no, I haven't moved on to B yet because B is not
going out any time soon.

I believe the above table works out to the following expression, which is
what I'm trying to get into the Manage Conditional Text field:

("A" or "External" or ("A" and "External")) and not (("A" and "Internal") or
"B" or ("B" and "External") or "TBP or "WriterNote")

The problem arises when I try to enclose the second clause with its parens.
That is, I can get this far:

("A" or "External" or ("A" and "External") )and not ("A" and "Internal") or
"B" or ("B" and "External") or "TBP or "WriterNote"

but as soon as I try to enclose the entire "and not" clause in parens,
Frame crashes. The same thing happens if I enclose the second clause first
(it saves fine) and then try to enclose the first clause.

I tried editing in the MIF, but the entire expression disappears from the
pick list when I do that.

Any ideas on why Frame might be crashing? Any solutions? Is there a simpler
way of doing this? Do I even have the expression set up correctly?


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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-10 Thread Lin Sims
Whoops. I take back that last. If I have something tagged as

A + Internal + External

and I want it to show in the A+External book, the expression

"A" and not ("B" or "Internal")

hides it.



Running more experiments.





On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I only just found it, so no. I have a bad habit of finding things like
> this, though. When I was documenting software, the coders alternately loved
> me and hated me. :)
>
> And it looks as if I may be overthinking this in a BIG way. Apparently, I
> was trying to be over-explicit.
>
> For example, the expression I created that (would have) looked like this:
>
> ("A" or "External" or ("A" and "External")) and not (("A" and "Internal")
> or  "B" or ("B" and "External") or "TBP or "WriterNote")
>
> Really only needs this:
>
> "A" and not ("B" or "Internal")
>
> And that even works if I have A and B and External (or A and B and
> Internal) applied to some things.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Steve Rickaby <
> srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> At 09:43 -0400 10/5/16, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>> >...but as soon as I try to enclose the entire "and not" clause in parens,
>> >Frame crashes. The same thing happens if I enclose the second clause
>> first
>> >(it saves fine) and then try to enclose the first clause.
>> >
>> >I tried editing in the MIF, but the entire expression disappears from the
>> >pick list when I do that.
>> >
>> >Any ideas on why Frame might be crashing? Any solutions? Is there a
>> simpler
>> >way of doing this? Do I even have the expression set up correctly?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I guess the FrameMaker team should employ you as a tester ;-) My surmise
>> is that you are pushing complex conditionals further than they have. Have
>> you reported this as a bug? Looks like maybe a stack problem.
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-10 Thread Lin Sims
I only just found it, so no. I have a bad habit of finding things like
this, though. When I was documenting software, the coders alternately loved
me and hated me. :)

And it looks as if I may be overthinking this in a BIG way. Apparently, I
was trying to be over-explicit.

For example, the expression I created that (would have) looked like this:

("A" or "External" or ("A" and "External")) and not (("A" and "Internal") or
"B" or ("B" and "External") or "TBP or "WriterNote")

Really only needs this:

"A" and not ("B" or "Internal")

And that even works if I have A and B and External (or A and B and
Internal) applied to some things.

Sheesh.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Steve Rickaby <
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> At 09:43 -0400 10/5/16, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> >...but as soon as I try to enclose the entire "and not" clause in parens,
> >Frame crashes. The same thing happens if I enclose the second clause first
> >(it saves fine) and then try to enclose the first clause.
> >
> >I tried editing in the MIF, but the entire expression disappears from the
> >pick list when I do that.
> >
> >Any ideas on why Frame might be crashing? Any solutions? Is there a
> simpler
> >way of doing this? Do I even have the expression set up correctly?
> >
> >
>
> I guess the FrameMaker team should employ you as a tester ;-) My surmise
> is that you are pushing complex conditionals further than they have. Have
> you reported this as a bug? Looks like maybe a stack problem.
>
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Re: [Framers] Fw: new important message

2016-04-18 Thread Lin Sims
I think Carol may have had her (his?) account compromised. I would advise
not clicking that link. If you have, I suggest running every antivirus and
anti-malware tool you've got.

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

2016-08-10 Thread Lin Sims
I've got a (very old) Frame file that I acquired when FM 5.5.6 was still
the latest version. It claims to be able to automate the creation of bleed
tabs. I've never used it, so I don't know how well it works, but I have the
file (with requisite master pages) and the font it required, if anyone
wants a look.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Jay Mahler <j...@mahler.com> wrote:

> I've also created manual thumb tabs in unstructured FM. I put the tabs on
> both right and left master pages, and I manually moved them for each
> chapter. The big downside is when I added or moved chapters, which happened
> quite often in one very large manual.
>
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Re: [Framers] Frame2015 (and 12) change paragraph format for paragraph format

2016-08-12 Thread Lin Sims
Assuming I've understood correctly that you want to retag all paragraphs
that are tagged as Normal to Body:


   1. Tag a paragraph with the correct paragraph tag (the one you want to
   change TO, in this case, Body)
   2. Open the Paragraph Designer
   3. Commands > Global Update Option
   4. Select All Properties and All Tagged
   5. In the drop-down for All Tagged, select the name of the incorrect
   paragraph tag (the one you want to change FROM, in this case, Normal)
   6. Click Update
   7. Choose Retain or Remove Overrides (this depends on what you're doing)


All paragraphs that were tagged as Normal will now be tagged as Body. Note
that you have to do this on a file-by-file basis, but at least it's not on
a paragraph-by-paragraph basis.

HTH


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>Dear All,
>
>I'm using a set template to import Word into Frame and on occasion,
>Frame seems to be importing the Body paragraph format from Word as
>Normal, rather than transferring it into the Body format in Frame.
>
>Is there a way to get Frame to change one paragraph format into
>another, rather than just the obvious options of replacing it with a
>character format?
>
>Many thanks,
>
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Re: [Framers] I'm pretty sure the answer is structured content

2016-08-02 Thread Lin Sims
Just don't forget to take the clew with you, or you'll be completely lost.

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> Thank you, everyone who responded to my question.
>
> I met with my managers today and we worked out a solution that's involves
> creating a mythical beast that's half out-of-date user guide and
> half-up-to-date release notes. When I'm not following the thread out of
> that maze (are you loving my classical references?), I will be updating the
> user guide, merging the two halves into one glorious golden fleece that men
> will cross oceans to marvel at.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] I'm pretty sure the answer is structured content
>
>
> Fine, you all can have the last word. I know better than to continue this
> debate. I should have known better than to even start it.
>
> Russ
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:58:29 -0700
> From: Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"
> Subject: Re: [Framers] I'm pretty sure the answer is structured  content
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Structured markup has been around longer than the web, PDFs, online help,
> or personal computers.
>
> Since you make your living from structured content, I'm not going to waste
> time explaining why it's not the best choice for every set of requirements,
> and why people are still creating interesting and useful unstructured tools.
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 1:01 PM, <r...@weststreetconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Pat, I'd like to assert that structured content is generally THE
> > answer, period. Nothing interesting happens with unstructured content
> > anymore, because the technology is decades old. Any technical writer
> > in a high-demand environment should be using structured content. If
> > you are not, you are now closer to the typewriter than you are to
> > modern practices. ...
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Re: [Framers] Access to Acrobat Help after End of Life support?

2016-06-30 Thread Lin Sims
Many thanks to all for the speedy response.

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> https://forums.adobe.com/community/acrobat, selecting a topic, and then
> look for the links to older versions of Acrobat.
>
> Laura
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> > On Jun 30, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I just tried to use Help in my Acrobat 10 program. Instead of taking me
> to
> > the (online-only, and wasn't THAT a *fine *design decision) help files, I
> > was taken to an End of Support page.
> >
> > Which is fine, I'm not actually looking for technical support from
> Adobe. I
> > just want to look something up in the Help files. How?
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[Framers] Access to Acrobat Help after End of Life support?

2016-06-30 Thread Lin Sims
I just tried to use Help in my Acrobat 10 program. Instead of taking me to
the (online-only, and wasn't THAT a *fine *design decision) help files, I
was taken to an End of Support page.

Which is fine, I'm not actually looking for technical support from Adobe. I
just want to look something up in the Help files. How?

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Re: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)

2016-06-30 Thread Lin Sims
I know the old escape shortcuts for moving up and down in a table broke;
however, Frame now lets you use cursors to move from row to row or column
to column.

I've also noticed that sometimes, shortcuts that have BEEN working will
suddenly stop working, and you have to restart the program to get them
back. I tend to notice on things like the Copy special - Column Width
shortcut.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Some of the shortcuts stopped working in FM9 and to my knowledge some
> of those bugs were never fixed.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography>
> wrote:
> > Thanks for the useful follow-up, David.
> >
> > I don't have the link to the complete list of FrameMaker keyboard
> shortcuts
> > handy, but perhaps you or someone else on the list has it and can post
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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

2016-08-15 Thread Lin Sims
I think you can use reference pages for the same thing, can't you? I seem
to recall coming across that as a suggestion. Again, anyone else would need
to know to look there.

If you can find the procedure to do so, you can add an alert that pops up
anytime the template is used to tell people to look at either the master or
reference pages for information. (I know it's do-able, but I've never done
it, so I don't know how.)

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> At 09:01 -0700 15/8/16, Monique Semp wrote:
>
> >So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with
> this sort of issue?
>
> The few times I've hit this issue, I've negotiated a shorter heading with
> the author(s).
>
> Fred's tip is bang on if you have to use foxy stuff.
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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

2016-08-15 Thread Lin Sims
I am incorrect on the alert. It's a hypertext command that only works in
PDF files, apparently. Although a small script that runs on file creation
might work.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you can use reference pages for the same thing, can't you? I seem
> to recall coming across that as a suggestion. Again, anyone else would need
> to know to look there.
>
> If you can find the procedure to do so, you can add an alert that pops up
> anytime the template is used to tell people to look at either the master or
> reference pages for information. (I know it's do-able, but I've never done
> it, so I don't know how.)
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Steve Rickaby <
> srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> At 09:01 -0700 15/8/16, Monique Semp wrote:
>>
>> >So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with
>> this sort of issue?
>>
>> The few times I've hit this issue, I've negotiated a shorter heading with
>> the author(s).
>>
>> Fred's tip is bang on if you have to use foxy stuff.
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Re: [Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a page for that!

2017-02-03 Thread Lin Sims
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Click the "Compare Older Versions" to download the PDF, which does have the
same URL Bernard posted.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Pat Christenson <
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> Hi Bernard,
>
> I'm getting a 404 Not Found on this URL.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
> -Original Message-
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> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's
> a page for that!
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__
> wwwimages.adobe.com_content_dam_acom_en_products_
> framemaker_framemake=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSM
> J71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E=
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> Hqx3SyLuuaj4Qvd4lA5oqCB8OnOSQ3gsxpfUznWxIoY=
> r_2017/pdf/FM_2017_VERSION_COMPARISION.pdf
>
> Adobe has a PDF that provides info on the functions of FM2017 compared
> with versions going back to v9. Could be helpful in deciding to move to a
> new tool.
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Re: [Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to purchased version

2017-02-03 Thread Lin Sims
I can't speak to the text insets, but as far as the subscription versus
outright license is concerned, I believe the differences are that the
updates/bug fixes are automatically pushed for the subscription, but you
have to download and install for the license; and if you stop paying the
subscription, you will not be able to open or edit your files in Frame
anymore.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 3:34 PM, LGLists <li...@techcomplus.com> wrote:

> Hi All!
>
>
>
> I'm posting on behalf of someone else who is contemplating taking on some
> of
> my projects. She's getting info from FM support that I'm a little skeptical
> about. Sorry to repeat the one item, but I've not heard back.
>
>
>
>
>
> .   I got this a bit wrong the first time, too. According to FM
> support,
> the bug that caused x-refs from text insets to not be working links in PDFs
> was reported in FM 10 and does not now show up on the list of bugs. This
> makes is sound like it's been fixed. Has anyone has tested this in FM 2017
> to see if links work without having to run a script in FM to get them to
> work?
>
>
>
>
> .   She was also told that if you purchased a license (not the monthly
> subscription) that you did not get an updates or bug fixes. I know that
> didn't used to be true. Is it the case that if you purchase a license
> without the monthly subscription that you don't get even bug fixes? No a
> point releases? Nothing?
>
>
>
>
>
> I appreciate any info you folks can share. I've been out of the loop on the
> latest and greatest for a while.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any info you have on this!!
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Re: [Framers] Fm 2017: MathFlow Structure Editor trial license expired

2017-02-02 Thread Lin Sims
I don't use MathML, so no. On the other hand, yesterday Acrobat gave me the
same message when I tried to PDF a Frame book, which is odd since it's a
subscription that is less than a year old. However, I was still able to
PDF, and I didn't see the message again.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi group
>
> When I try Insert > MathML Equation, I get the error message "Your MathFlow
> Structure Editor trial license has expired". That's a bit fast after only 1
> day of using Fm 2017. ;-)
>
> Is anyone else seeing this?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Framers] SOLVED: RE: Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-16 Thread Lin Sims
Is Lynne Price still around? That website doesn't appear to have been
updated in a while.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Craig Ede <craig...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> This tgroup thing has driven me batty in the past. Nice to hear the cause
> spelled out. And, yes, Adobe definitely needs to document this.
>
>
> Craig
>
> 
> From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com>
> on behalf of Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:37 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] SOLVED: RE: Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
>
> I agree that FrameMaker should not make these assumptions. At the very
> least, the "special" nature of the tgroup element name should be
> documented.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf
> Of Alan Houser
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 10:35 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] SOLVED: RE: Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
>
> For the record, I've been bitten by this several times over the years.
> It's annoying that FrameMaker makes assumptions about the XML document
> content model based on element names. Although it's only true in a small
> number of cases; still, an element name should be just a string. Element
> typing and behaviors should be left to the EDD and read/write rules.
>
> In any event, Rick, I'm glad you arrived at a solution!
>
> -Alan
>
>
> On 2/15/17 10:10 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> > Thanks to Alan Houser for pointing out these posts by Lynne Price:
> >
> >
> http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.
> com/2006-December/005568.
> > html
> >
> > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/632726
> >
> > I tried renaming tgroup to t-group and it solved the problem; I now
> > get my table title in the XML.
> >
> > Thanks to Alan and Lynne!
> >
> > Rick
> 
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Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

2017-02-15 Thread Lin Sims
Scott,

I don't think that will work as stated. She's trying to figure out how much
is the same across files, and this doesn't really tell her if the
information is the same, just that one has more characters than another.

On the other hand, if she adds a step to HIDE all of the text that is
conditioned, she'll get a file size/character count of only the common
text, and then she can compare that to the numbers from the files that have
one or more conditions showing depending on how she sets the display.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> wrote:

> Alison...
>
> Since no one else jumped on this with a "good" solution .. here's my hack
> option.
>
> 1) Set the conditional state (hide/show) to show all (or whatever is one
> state of content you want to measure).
> 2) Run the .. File > Utilities > Document Reports > Character Count ..
> command. Note that number.
> 3) Change the conditional state to show the reduced set of content
> 4) Run Character Count again. Note that number.
> 5) Compare those numbers and repeat for other cases.
>
> Not "simple" but not terribly hard. This could certainly be automated with
> a plugin or script.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
>
> On 2/15/17 10:49 AM, Craig, Alison wrote:
>
>> - Frame 12
>> - unstructured
>> - Windows 7 64 bit
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a way to figure out what percentage of text
>> in a book is shared?
>>
>> Even better would be a way figure out how much text is conditional based
>> on the mix of conditions applied to the text.
>>
>> My conditions are mostly to do with the product in question (as listed
>> below) - so it would be great if I could figure out what percentage of
>> conditional text is represented by each option.
>>
>> - Touch
>> - MSO
>> - Tab1
>> - Tab
>> - Touch and MSO
>> - Touch and Tab1
>> - Tab1 and Tab
>>
>>
>> Alison Craig
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Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production

2016-08-31 Thread Lin Sims
And the smoke we smell is a paradigm shifting?

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, <loui...@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Ah, well all right then. That creaking sound you hear is me changing my
> ways.
>
> Louise
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rick Quatro" <r...@rickquatro.com>
> To: loui...@mchsi.com
> Cc: "Framers List" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:37:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed
>  to  postscript for PDF production
>
> I always use Save As PDF. There were some older FrameMaker/Acrobat
> combinations where Adobe's Dov Isaacs recommended the Print PS/Distill
> approach, but that was a long time ago.
>
> Rick Quatro
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> 585-366-4017
> r...@frameexpert.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:20 PM
> To: Tammy Van Boening
> Cc: Framers List
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to
> postscript for PDF production
>
> Hi -
>
> I always distill a .ps file but had a client with cover art that would only
> print using Frame's "Save As PDF". I couldn't tell you why, but I don't
> really trust making a PDF this way, so I would extract just the cover page
> from the "Save As PDF" file, and replace the cover in a PDF I made by
> distilling a .ps.
>
> If this happened to you out of the blue, Robert's probably right and you'll
> have to uninstall and reinstall to fix it. The "Save As" might do for now
> though, if you're in a pinch.
>
> Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF
> made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-)
>
> Thanks for letting me glom onto your question Tammy!
>
> Louise
>
> Louise Kaufman
> loui...@mchsi.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tammy Van Boening" <tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com>
> To: "Framers List" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:07:41 PM
> Subject: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to
> postscript for PDF production
>
> HI All,
>
> I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having
> a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with
> bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of
> the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print
> the
> entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a  postscript file, and
> then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job
> option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets
> stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins
> and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print
> job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand
> why
> this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover
> file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part
> of the final  PDF production.
>
> Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could
> recommend providing.
>
> TIA,
>
> TVB
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Job Announcement

2016-09-01 Thread Lin Sims
https://chp.tbe.taleo.net/chp03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CONGRESSIONALBUDGET=1=321

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 10:08 AM, <john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com> wrote:

> That link is to a secure customer login
>
> John X Posada
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> 330 Madison Ave., NY NY
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   "Rick Quatro" <r...@rickquatro.com>
> To: "'Framers List'" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Date:   09/01/2016 10:04 AM
> Subject:[Framers] Job Announcement
> Sent by:"Framers"+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com>
>
>
>
> The Congressional Budget Office in Washington, DC is looking to hire a
> FrameMaker and graphics specialist. Here is a link to the job post:
>
> https://chp.tbe.taleo.net/chp03/ats/careers/requisition.
> jsp?org=CONGRESSIONA
>
> LBUDGET=1=321
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Re: [Framers] FM console does not display correctly

2016-09-27 Thread Lin Sims
I'm not positive, but I *think *that's Microsoft Reference Sans Serif
Regular.

I'm no font expert, though.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Klaus Daube <fr...@daube.ch> wrote:

> On 26 Sep 2016 at 9:59, FrameUsers Admin wrote:
> > achments are no longer supperted
>
> Hence I repeat my message with a link:
>
> > I have filed bug 4193102:
> > The console obviously uses an inadequate font:
> > see http://www.daube.ch/zz_tests/ConsoleDisplay.png
> >
> > This should read:
> > SumProd(x1, x2, ...)
> > Hypot(x1, x2, ...)
> > Count(x1, x2, ...)
> > Prod(x1, x2, ...)
> >
> > Does anyone know  what font is used in the FM console?
>
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[Framers] Pros/Cons: Separate file per chapter, or one REALLY BIG FILE for an entire book

2016-11-07 Thread Lin Sims
Pretty much what it says in the title. I'm guessing there have been
discussions about this in the past, and I plan to look for those, but I
thought I'd toss this out there anyway.

We're talking chapters that can run a couple hundred (or more) pages loaded
with tables, graphics, and conditional text so that they can be used to
single-source multiple documents (no, don't talk to me about DITA, my
non-tech-writing boss wants it in unstructured).

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Re: [Framers] table footing - possible only on last page ?

2016-11-10 Thread Lin Sims
Are you talking about a footer row, or a table footnote? Footer rows appear
on every page the table is on, footnotes appear after the entire table (and
I wish that were something you could toggle between). If the row doesn't
appear on every page, then it's not really a footer, is it?

If you want something that looks like a footer row but only appears at the
end of the table, I'd create it as a regular row and apply custom ruling
and shading to make it look like other footers.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Monique Semp <monique.s...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Hello, Framers,
>
> (FrameMaker 2015)
>
> Is it possible to have a table footing appear only on the last page of a
> table that spans two pages? (I don’t think so, and nor do I think it
> particularly desirable. But a reviewer wants it so.)
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Framers] Pros/Cons: Separate file per chapter, or one REALLY BIG FILE for an entire book

2016-11-07 Thread Lin Sims
 I think I touched a nerve.

Yeah, my personal inclination is one chapter per file, unless we're talking
a really short document of less than 20 pages. Nice to know that I'm not
alone; however, I'm really looking for reasons why using a chapter per file
is better than using one file for an entire book (or vice-versa, I know
there are people out there who do it that way).

Manageability and stability are both good points, especially since Frame
has become somewhat less stable since Adobe took it over (still far, far
better than Word). And fighting the design model is also an excellent point.

(And, Ken, even though I'm not working in DITA, I do try to organize my
documents in a structured fashion. Consistency of language and order of
information presentation go a long way towards that.)

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Lin,
>
> We also use unstructured FM11.0 to produce files that are distilled down
> to pdf files for hard copy printing (and maybe distribution on CD, but not
> so much).
>
> As such, we compile separate chapter files then assemble them into a final
> book in FM.
>
> Much more manageable that way (at least for us). A former so-called tech
> writer here (who wound up being our not-so-loved manager before finally
> being let go) forced FM to do what he wanted it to do, with humongous files
> resulting that crashed and burned at least half the time. A normal chapter
> file might be 3 or 4 mb, but his sometimes got into the gigabyte range.
> Didn't care, didn't change, and caused the rest of us lots of problems when
> trying to open his files or even p-a-g-e through them (it took maybe an
> hour to work one's way through a 50 or 60-page file). We're now much better
> off, referencing and not embedding our graphics. Hint: take any photo
> produced with a digital camera from its 60 x 60 inch (or whatever) original
> size and resample it down to maybe 8 x 10 and oh, how life in tech
> pubs-land is so much better.
>
> So in the end, don't do the whole book as one file. Use chapters as
> separate files (even with all the stuff you mentioned), then combine them
> into one book afterwards.
>
> And yes, while the rest of the world goes on to DITA, etc, we continue to
> "bring up the rear".
>
> -- Ken in Atlanta
>
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2016 1:46 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Pretty much what it says in the title. I'm guessing there have been
> discussions about this in the past, and I plan to look for those, but I
> thought I'd toss this out there anyway.
>
> We're talking chapters that can run a couple hundred (or more) pages loaded
> with tables, graphics, and conditional text so that they can be used to
> single-source multiple documents (no, don't talk to me about DITA, my
> non-tech-writing boss wants it in unstructured).
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Re: [Framers] Pros/Cons: Separate file per chapter, or one REALLY BIG FILE for an entire book

2016-11-07 Thread Lin Sims
The book PDFs usually run in the 3-10MB range. Individual chapters in FM
format can run up to 30MB or more. And as Rick said, we're talking about a
single FM file per chapter in a book, then generating a single PDF for the
book, not separate PDFs for each chapter.

(I wish we could reference images, but we've got an "interesting" hybrid
setup that also involves a content management system, and the unstructured
FM users have to embed the graphics.)



On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> I always do one file, unless it gets so big that there are download
> problems. Then everything can be cross-referenced. You can have
> cross-PDF links, but they're more problematic. As a user, I always
> find it frustrating when large documents are split up.
>
> How big is the file if you generate one big PDF for the book?
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Pretty much what it says in the title. I'm guessing there have been
> > discussions about this in the past, and I plan to look for those, but I
> > thought I'd toss this out there anyway.
> >
> > We're talking chapters that can run a couple hundred (or more) pages
> loaded
> > with tables, graphics, and conditional text so that they can be used to
> > single-source multiple documents (no, don't talk to me about DITA, my
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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
Some of the files are FM generated from XML using your plugin. Others are
FM created in Frame. The ones generated from .XML have elements, the others
don't. Both sets are edited with FM set to the structured INTERFACE, but
only the Frame on the server is in a structured environment. Which is where
I made my mistake, since I was trying to use the FM instance on my laptop
that is not in a structured environment. If I work in the structured
environment, I can insert an fm-xref from the used-to-be-XML files to the
always-have-been-FM files.

Sorry for being unclear (before and possibly now). The last two weeks or so
have been stressful and tiring, and I'm not communicating as well as I'd
like to be.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> wrote:

> Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they are DITA
> files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the same book then
> PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the target DITA file, then
> select the target element, and you should be good to go!
>
> But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with unstructured FM
> files.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.
>
> Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF
> file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd
> simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.
>
> It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result
>> in the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The
>> only way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set
>> the @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
>> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
>> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
>> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
>> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
>> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>>
>> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know
>> what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you
>> need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>>
>> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and choose
>> the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify the href
>> (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the
>> scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".
>>
>> When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if the
>> resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF, the link in
>> the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the
>> "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when
>> generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>> I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!
>>
>> And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not
>> working in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server.
>> FM2016 is set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all
>> have it that way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything
>> meaningful in the elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM,
>> I was able to add an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or
>> yours, I forget which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as
>> elements for xrefs.
>>
>> With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will
>> do what I want them to do.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
>>> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
>>> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
>>> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
>>> that wouldn't even work).
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.

Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF file.
Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd simply
forgotten I had to do this down on the server.

It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> wrote:

> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result in
> the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The only
> way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set the
> @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>
> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know what
> the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you need ..
> the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>
> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and choose
> the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify the href
> (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the
> scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".
>
> When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if the
> resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF, the link in
> the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the
> "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when
> generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> ...scott
>
>
>
> On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!
>
> And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not working
> in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server. FM2016 is
> set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all have it that
> way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful in the
> elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM, I was able to add
> an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or yours, I forget
> which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as elements for
> xrefs.
>
> With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will do
> what I want them to do.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com>
> wrote:
>
>> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
>> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
>> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
>> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
>> that wouldn't even work).
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>>> Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
>>> with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
>>> server
>>> version (which does) works fine.
>>>
>>> Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
>>> don't have to save down for everything.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
>>>> an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything
>>>> but
>>>> elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
>>>> DITA/xml.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
>>>> the wrong address.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lin Sims
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!

And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not working
in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server. FM2016 is
set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all have it that
way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful in the
elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM, I was able to add
an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or yours, I forget
which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as elements for
xrefs.

With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will do
what I want them to do.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> wrote:

> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
> that wouldn't even work).
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
>> Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
>> with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
>> server
>> version (which does) works fine.
>>
>> Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
>> don't have to save down for everything.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
>>> an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
>>> elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
>>> DITA/xml.
>>>
>>> I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
>>> the wrong address.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lin Sims
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-28 Thread Lin Sims
Oh, it's worse than that. The XML files that generate the FM file via
DITA-FMx are regenerated every time there's a change in the source document
for them, because the XML files are created from a perl script that takes
apart an Excel file to create individual XML files for each row in the
Excel file. I already have an xref going from a standard FM file to a
location in the generated FM file that has to be replaced.

And believe it or not, this is actually a VAST improvement on our previous
process, which involved me checking thousands of rows individually for
changes so I could update a standard FM file, which was prone to a lot of
errors.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> wrote:

> Okay. So you're working in structured FM files (pseudo-DITA) generated
> from an FMx book-build. And you're adding a "link" to an unstructured FM
> file that's been added to the generated book? I think I get it now.
>
> In this case, adding an fm-xref won't likely work (might, but I've never
> tried what you're doing, and modifying generated files is typically not a
> great idea since the edits are lost the next time you generate from DITA).
> What you've got now are two FM files .. just insert a "Cross-Reference"
> (regular FM type .. forget that this was DITA and is structured), and see
> what happens.
>
> Technically, the fm-xref is an FM Cross-Reference object, so that might
> actually work, but if not, just resort to good old FM techniques.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 1:41 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> Some of the files are FM generated from XML using your plugin. Others are
> FM created in Frame. The ones generated from .XML have elements, the others
> don't. Both sets are edited with FM set to the structured INTERFACE, but
> only the Frame on the server is in a structured environment. Which is where
> I made my mistake, since I was trying to use the FM instance on my laptop
> that is not in a structured environment. If I work in the structured
> environment, I can insert an fm-xref from the used-to-be-XML files to the
> always-have-been-FM files.
>
> Sorry for being unclear (before and possibly now). The last two weeks or
> so have been stressful and tiring, and I'm not communicating as well as I'd
> like to be.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they are DITA
>> files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the same book then
>> PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the target DITA file, then
>> select the target element, and you should be good to go!
>>
>> But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with unstructured FM
>> files.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>> Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.
>>
>> Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF
>> file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd
>> simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.
>>
>> It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result
>>> in the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The
>>> only way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set
>>> the @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
>>> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
>>> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
>>> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
>>> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
>>> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>>>
>>> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know
>>> what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you
>>> need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>>>
>>> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and
>>> choose the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify
>>> the href (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text,
>>> and the scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to
>>> "pdf".
>>>
>>> When you ge

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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-28 Thread Lin Sims
No. I'm not sure I've ever even heard of that, or at least not enough to
connect it to Excel spreadsheets. I'll look into it, but we do have a
pretty good automation in place now.

No, our previous process was to take a very large and annoyingly formatted
set of spreadsheets used by the designers/engineers, convert it to Word to
break up the individual tables, and then copying and pasting those tables
over into Frame, then using Rick Quattro's TableCleaner to fix the
formatting for the initial version, then updating later versions by using a
utility that diffed two versions of the designer/engineer spreadsheets and
making changes manually.

As you can imagine, this was subject to error.

One day I was complaining about this to one of my tech writer coworkers,
who proceeded to write me a ruby script that took the old spreadsheets and
converted them into something I could use. It was on the quick and dirty
side, there was still a fair bit of reformatting involved and I still had
to make the manual updates, but it was a massive time saver (I went from
2-3 days' worth of work to about 10 minutes in the conversion alone.)

More recently, one of our full-time perl scripters was asked to write a set
of scripts that convert an Excel spreadsheet in a corporate-standard format
to a number of different outputs for the engineers and, for the writers,
XML files and a ditamap that, with Scott's product, becomes a very nicely
formatted chapter with tables and things. Since I use the script every time
the source file is updated, the information in my document is always an
exact match for the source.

At any rate, as I think I said in an earlier email, it turns out all I need
to remember is to be working on the server in the actual structured
environment and it works. Just using the structured interface on my local
install doesn't, and that's where I went wrong.



On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> This sounds like a job for FrameMaker's database publishing feature.
> Or was that your previous process?
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 5:18 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh, it's worse than that. The XML files that generate the FM file via
> > DITA-FMx are regenerated every time there's a change in the source
> document
> > for them, because the XML files are created from a perl script that takes
> > apart an Excel file to create individual XML files for each row in the
> > Excel file. I already have an xref going from a standard FM file to a
> > location in the generated FM file that has to be replaced.
> >
> > And believe it or not, this is actually a VAST improvement on our
> previous
> > process, which involved me checking thousands of rows individually for
> > changes so I could update a standard FM file, which was prone to a lot of
> > errors.
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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The server
version (which does) works fine.

Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
don't have to save down for everything.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
> an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
> elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
> DITA/xml.
>
> I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
> the wrong address.
>
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[Framers] Fwd: xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
DITA/xml.

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the wrong address.

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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Lin Sims
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize. I get a little hyperfocused sometimes. :(

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Could you do what you need by having an .fm file that has a table with
> a row for each condition indicator, one column for the indicator name,
> a second with conditional text saying "currently visible," and a third
> describing its purpose? You could include that file as the first page
> after the front matter when generating PDFs (?) for your boss, and
> drop it from customer versions.
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
> I'm
> > hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
> > concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
> it.
> >
> > My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
> > actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
> > versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
> > only one of the indicators being visible.
> >
> > That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and
> H,
> > he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
> > the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
> >
> > Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
> > black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
> > another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
> would
> > be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
> way
> > I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
> >
> > Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF
> editing?
> > Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
> > feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
>



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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Lin Sims
Actually, I put a legend on the cover. He didn't like flipping back and
forth, and he found too many colors on the same page to be
headache-inducing.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Could you do what you need by having an .fm file that has a table with
> a row for each condition indicator, one column for the indicator name,
> a second with conditional text saying "currently visible," and a third
> describing its purpose? You could include that file as the first page
> after the front matter when generating PDFs (?) for your boss, and
> drop it from customer versions.
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
> I'm
> > hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
> > concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
> it.
> >
> > My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
> > actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
> > versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
> > only one of the indicators being visible.
> >
> > That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and
> H,
> > he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
> > the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
> >
> > Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
> > black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
> > another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
> would
> > be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
> way
> > I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
> >
> > Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF
> editing?
> > Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
> > feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
>



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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Lin Sims
There hasn't been a need to include this kind of information before, and
I'm the only one in the company with this need now. Plus, the conditions in
use change depending on the IP and the customers, so including info in the
style guide (we do have one!) won't help, alas.

Without even meaning to, I'm usually the one who breaks the program or
finds the unusual problem.  Recently I found that the version of Vasont
we have (I think it's the latest release), automatically chooses SVGZ as
its image format when you want to update an SVG file, instead of the SVG
file you actually want.

For now, I'm settling on using our mandated settings file to set the
conditions and colors for the combination peculiar to the review
information my boss wants to see.

I rather expected it's what I'd have to do, but dang, being able to just
... toggle would be nice. Although given that there's no predetermined set
of conditions means the script would have to incorporate the conditions in
the file into its GUI and do it every time. Ah, well.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography>
wrote:

> Hi, Lin:
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I hadn't, but in my case it won't work. There isn't enough white space in
>> the standard template to do this, and I'm not allowed to play with page
>> layout. There's a corporate-mandated template we all use.
>>
>
> ​I get it. What I don't get is why a template mandate would want to
> preclude improving efficiency, communication, and accuracy, etc.
>
> How about one or more of these variations:
>
> * Create a document with the supporting information ​for the template
> documents
>
> * Incorporate the supporting information in the style guide ("What?
> There's a style guide? Radical!")
>
> * Include the document with all book template sets
>
> * Create a one-line non-printing cross-reference in every document
> template. that points to the style guide, or to that standalone supporting
> document. As to shortage of white space, a good place might be in the edge
> area that printers leave blank.
>
> Going back to your earlier question about scripting, probably "yes, it's
> possible." You'd need to plan the scripts as finely as you've planned the
> various combinations of conditional text. It's doable, IMO.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
>>> keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
>>> areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
>>> paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
>>> the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
>>> instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
>>> be visible.
>>>
>>> This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
>>> requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
>>> area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
>>> slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
>>> pages and use cropping marks.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
>>>> I'm
>>>> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
>>>> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
>>>> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
>>>> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
>>>> only one of the indicators being visible.
>>>>
>>>> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and
>>>> H,
>>>> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
>>>> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>>>>
>>>> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
>>>> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
>>>> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
>>>> would
>>>> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditio

Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Lin Sims
As I said to Fred, the problem is that this information has to be VISIBLE
in the deliverable.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography>
wrote:

> Good reminder, Fred!.
>
> There's something warm and fuzzy when a long-dormant FM feature gets
> recognized for its current usefulness.
>
> Thanks.
>
> My point in suggesting the non-main-content area was intended to make the
> non-printing memory-jogging material always visible to authors, but not in
> deliverables, without any manual effort to display or conceal it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Fred Ridder <docu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Unless something has changed in recent versions of FrameMaker, there is
>> no need to restrict yourself to "non-main-content areas" on master pages.
>> The main text frames on the master pages are only *placeholder* frames. You
>> can fill them up with notes and instructions and whatever  else you want to
>> put in there, and none of it will ever appear in the deliverable document.
>> And since you can add more master pages beyond what you actually need for
>> your document design, there's a relatively unlimited amount of space
>> available.
>>
>> I used this trick extensively when I was working with a group of more
>> than 25 writers at a previous employer (back in the FM6 days) when we
>> were migrating a hundred or so documents from Word to FrameMaker. I haven't
>> had need to use this trick in about a decade, but I can't imagine that
>> Adobe would have changed the basic document model so completely that it no
>> longer works.
>>
>> -FR
>>
>> --
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>>


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[Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-17 Thread Lin Sims
Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.

My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
only one of the indicators being visible.

That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
the INDICATOR for F to be visible.

Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.

Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-17 Thread Lin Sims
I hadn't, but in my case it won't work. There isn't enough white space in
the standard template to do this, and I'm not allowed to play with page
layout. There's a corporate-mandated template we all use.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography>
wrote:

> Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
> keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
> areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
> paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
> the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
> instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
> be visible.
>
> This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
> requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
> area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
> slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
> pages and use cropping marks.
>
> HTH
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
>> I'm
>> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
>> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
>> it.
>>
>> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
>> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
>> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
>> only one of the indicators being visible.
>>
>> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
>> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
>> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>>
>> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
>> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
>> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
>> would
>> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
>> way
>> I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
>>
>> Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
>> Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
>> feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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Re: [Framers] how to get Acrobat (shared review) to prompt for password ?

2016-10-28 Thread Lin Sims
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Clear remembered account information


Or maybe not. I found an answer that seems to imply having to use the
regedit:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/650106

Go into the Registry Editor to delete the cached credentials for Adobe.



   1. Type "regedit" in the Run dialog to open the Registry Editor.
   2. For Acrobat or Reader 9:
   1. Open the registry tree hive at HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software >
Adobe > *AdobeSynchronizer
  > 9.0 > Credentials.*
  2. Delete the registry entries that appear in the Credentials
  register except for the default entry.
  3. For Acrobat or Reader 8:
   1. Open the registry tree hive at HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software >
Adobe > *Adobe
  Acrobat > 8.0 > Credentials.*
  2. Delete the registry entries that appear in the Credentials
  register except for the default entry.




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Re: [Framers] Cross reference format (what do you use?)

2016-12-02 Thread Lin Sims
Our corporate template has about 10 or so xref formats. The ones I use most
are the three that provide both the section number  AND the section name,
or the table number AND table name, or the figure number AND figure name.

The number of people who prefer looking for numbers as a location
indication versus the number of people who scan for key words in titles are
about equal, so I provide both. For me when I'm working in the files, the
numbers can change depending on the condition setting and how recently I
updated the xrefs, but the names don't.

Also, we produce PDFs with the expectation that our customers will use the
PDFs about 50% of the time and printouts the other 50% of the time, so I
try to avoid using "the following table/figure" and use the full
cross-reference instead. It looks a bit more cluttered, but it means
there's no question at all what the user is supposed to be looking at, and
I consider that a win.

YMMV, and probably does. :)

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> I stopped using chapter numbers years ago. I don't use captions or
> figure numbers or any of that stuff, it all seems like print-era
> clutter to me.
>
> I cross-reference headings, so " For more information, see
> <$paratext>." In PDF output I add "on page #." If I need to
> cross-reference a table, I give it a heading.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing
> Smarter) <bern...@publishingsmarter.com> wrote:
> > Here is a simple question that I'm sure will have a LOT of opinion. I
> > hope...
> >
> > Building some print-friendly xref formats, and I'm curious what people
> here
> > actually use. We're all familiar with the function (I think) or at
> least, we
> > should be.
> >
> > You may have text like this:
> >
> > Chapter 1. Canada
> > Blah blah
> > 1.A Alberta
> > Blah blah
> > 1.B New Brunswick
> > Blah blah
> >
> > Plus you have tables, figures, equations, sections, examples, steps, etc,
> > etc, etc.
> >
> > You link to stuff like "Canada" or "Chapter 1" or "Chapter 1. Canada" or
> > even "Canada on page 23" or whatever. Some xref content may be "See
> > <$paratext>" or "<$paranumonly>" or "step <$paranumonly>". You may also
> > choose to put in sentences like "For more information see section
> > <$paranumonly> on page\ <$pagenum>. " so that it is a self-contained
> > sentence.
> >
> > I don't know. There are a LOT of ways to xref to stuff though.
> >
> >
> > My question is this: What would be the top 3 or 4 ways *you* xref
> something?
> > Not the steps to insert an xref, but the way it looks in your output.
> >
> > What does the code or the xref look like? Do you put in full sentence
> xrefs?
> > Do you use words in them? Do you use quotes around content? I know that
> > there are a bizzilion ways to xref stuff, so input would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Lastly, I'm not concerned about online as that can be changed at publish
> > time. What do you do though in the print materials? For example, if I use
> > "For more info see pg <$pagenum>. " as a sentence in the online I can
> just
> > replace it with <$paranumonly>, or <@paratext>, or whatever. The issue
> for
> > me is "what do people do for print" in regards to the numbering, text,
> > quotes, etc.
> >
> > Thanks to all.
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> >
> >
> > Bernard Aschwanden
> > bern...@publishingsmarter.com
> >
> > www.publishingsmarter.com
> >
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-17 Thread Lin Sims
You said that there are 3 sizes available for the icons. So what I'm
wondering is, is it possible to select a *preferred* size instead of the
one served up by default for whatever your resolution is. It won't be
color, but it'll be easier for those of us with eye issues to see.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Hi Lin,
>
>
>
> > OK, I think I misunderstood what you were trying to tell me, for which I
> apologize.
>
>
>
> No need to apologize J I appreciate the open discussion!
>
>
>
> > Let me see if I understand now.
>
> > Adobe had to put a lot of effort into redesigning the menu/toolbar icons
> so that
>
> > they'd work properly on high-resolution screens. It didn't have the
> resources to
>
> > create those icons in both color and the Adobe "unicolor" standard if it
> wanted
>
> > to add other features and to fix bugs, so it decided to go with the
> corporate
>
> > standard interface so that those resources could be applied to adding
> features
>
> > and fixing bugs.
>
>
>
> Exactly so. Plus the feedback from many users who didn’t want to have
> colored icons anymore and requested a design to be calmer and more in line
> with other Adobe products.
>
>
>
> > If coloring the icons turns out to be too much effort, is it possible to
> allow
>
> > users to choose to use icons from the larger sets rather than the ones
> that
>
> > would show up based on the screen resolution? Or would that just get
> weird?
>
>
>
> Not sure, if I understand what you mean with “from the larger sets” …
> There is no “larger set” of icons in FM 2017. And the colored icons from
> 2015 do not work anymore as they were based on an older technology and are
> not compatible with high-dpi screens.
>
>
>
> In theory it would probably be possible to make the icons “theme based”
> and allow users to create their own themes with their own icons. But … to
> provide a full theme, you would have to create a total of +600 icons and
> all of them in three sizes (a total of 1,836 icons, just counted them). Not
> sure, if there would be really a lot of users who would want to do that …
>
>
>
> We have an open discussion about colored icons internally. Yes, we did
> hear you! But we have a lot of things on the roadmap and want to tackle a
> lot of long time user requests and bugs. Some of the requests are very old
> (many of them requested in this forum as well), most of them are very valid
> and important for the majority of users, others are simply necessary to
> modernize FrameMaker, others are new and innovative features. So, honestly,
> we will have to balance, if we spend resources into bringing back colored
> icons, or changes requested here and the Adobe User Forum like a new PDF
> Engine, finally fixing CMYK, 64 bit support, updating Pantone libraries,
> more advanced search & replace functionalities … to call out just a few
> requests.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *Stefan Gentz*
>
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-16 Thread Lin Sims
For those who might be curious, we're up to 32 votes!

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And pretty soon they may think you've started a movement.
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I voted for both of them.
>>
>> Very timely as well - having just had an ophthalmology appointment this
>> morning for my old and tired eyes. ;-)))
>>
>> Alison
>>
>>
>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=
>> bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
>> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 6:37 AM
>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
>> to menu icons
>>
>> Direct link to Dave Stamm's request is:
>>
>> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2451
>>
>> (Dave, your link takes us to the fill-in form, not to your specific
>> request.)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com
>> ><mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com%3e> wrote:
>>
>> > 2017-03-10-05T14:00Z
>> >
>> > Well, disappointingly but not surprisingly, my feature request did not
>> > survive the transition to Adobe's new setup.
>> >
>> > So, I just submitted it again.
>> >
>> > At https://tracker.adobe.com/#/add_feature , the "Bug Id" is
>> FRMAKER-2451.
>> >
>> > Thank you for your support.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Dave Stamm
>> > Information Engineer
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
>> > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
>> > Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 15:33
>> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>> > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and
>> scaling
>> > to menu icons
>> >
>> > Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too!
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com
>> ><mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com%3e>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
>> > >
>> > > I, too, voted in favor of your request. I also pointed out that your
>> > > request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the
>> > > dialog box for index entries. Good luck.
>> > >
>> > > Dave Stamm
>> > > Information Engineer
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
>> > > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
>> > > Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
>> > > To: Frame Users
>> > > Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
>> > > to menu icons
>> > >
>> > > I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most
>> > > displeased to see that the menu icons had been returned to the
>> > > "corporate standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to
>> > > distinguish. This is causing me some eye strain, and I'm not at all
>> > happy about it.
>> > >
>> > > I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
>> > > least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the
>> > > request.
>> > >
>> > > I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
>> > > subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let
>> > > Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time.
>> > > Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers who
>> > > complained. It seems like poor customer service to me.
>> > >
>> > > Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
>> > >
>> > > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>> > >
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Re: [Framers] Frame/Distiller Question

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Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file

2017-03-20 Thread Lin Sims
Dave,

If you want to create forms and other things in Frame for output to PDF,
check out Shlomo Perets' Microtypes website. His TimeSavers tools  insert
postscript code into Frame files to do things like create dynamic forms.

http://microtype.com/showcase.html

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:52 PM, David Artman <da...@davidartman.com> wrote:

>You can use Acrobat Pro to append a PDF file to another PDF file, in
>whole or in part, and (IIRC) at any location using Document > Insert
>Pages.
>
>Yes, this adds a step (or more!) to workflow. Yes, the inserted PDF
>will have its own footers, etc; and thus, you might have to do some
>fancy footwork with page numbering in the two source files to get it
>all to align. Yes, any other autonumbering will be similarly
>problematic, requiring you to force it to start with a specific value
>(e.g., n=25). But you'll have a PDF "in" another PDF.
>
>As for "is [it] recommended", I think it's a good practice if you get
>content from a business partner, legal, or some other entity that would
>not want you to have any chance of editing it. (Hmm... but such a
>locked-down PDF might not be appendable, in part or in whole, to
>another one? And you can always use Advanced Text Tools on unlocked
>PDFs, so maybe this use case ISN'T a good one! You'd probably have to
>insert into FrameMaker as full-page "images" if locked down.)
>
>OK, another use case is a PDF created in another editor, for example a
>dynamic form made in LiveCycle Designer. VERY hard to do such things in
>FrameMaker, but easy in LCD. I've never tried that workflow, but it
>seems kosher.
>
>Finally, you could have an 'example' PDF that is a sample of output
>resulting from a process that is documented in the earlier PDF. That
>would avoid you having to setup several master pages in the same book
>to show the variations. OR, if you are, say, making a training manual
>for using your publishing environment, and you want to show a sample of
>all the output types, but Help won't append: make the Help output save
>as PDF and then append tot he "how to" main PDF:
>
>* How To Run Output (1 PDF with 'internal style')
>
>** PDF Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book with
>'external style')
>
>** Help Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book rendered as
>Help then exported/saved as PDF)
>
>** (etc.)
>
>So, sure! It's recommended in cases where sourcing everything in
>FrameMaker is impossible, too time consuming, or a poor content-reuse
>scenario. Hope this helps;
>
>David
>
> Original Message 
>Subject: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
>From: lklane64 <[1]lklan...@gmail.com>
>Date: Fri, March 17, 2017 9:35 am
>To: [2]framers@lists.frameusers.com
>I was wondering if anyone answered the question about adding PDFs to a
>FM book file.  Does anyone know if this is possible or even
>recommended?
>Thanks in advance,Laura
>
> References
>
>1. mailto:lklan...@gmail.com
>2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
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Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file

2017-03-21 Thread Lin Sims
If by a dynamic form you're talking about a PDF form that can be filled in
and saved, then yes, it can. There's a plugin for forms call Forms
Assistant. Fillable fields, drop-down selection, radio buttons, check
marks, the works. I took one of his courses years ago, and the order form
was a PDF he made using Frame and TimeSavers. It was very slick.



On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, David Artman <da...@davidartman.com> wrote:

>Oh, yes, I'm well aware of MicroType TimeSavers. I do not think they
>will do dynamic forms, though.
>
> Original Message 
>Subject: Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
>From: Lin Sims <[1]ljsims...@gmail.com>
>Date: Mon, March 20, 2017 4:18 pm
>To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
><[2]framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>Dave,
>If you want to create forms and other things in Frame for output to
>PDF,
>check out Shlomo Perets' Microtypes website. His TimeSavers tools
>insert
>postscript code into Frame files to do things like create dynamic
>forms.
>[3]http://microtype.com/showcase.html
>On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:52 PM, David Artman
><[4]da...@davidartman.com> wrote:
>> You can use Acrobat Pro to append a PDF file to another PDF file, in
>> whole or in part, and (IIRC) at any location using Document > Insert
>> Pages.
>>
>> Yes, this adds a step (or more!) to workflow. Yes, the inserted PDF
>> will have its own footers, etc; and thus, you might have to do some
>> fancy footwork with page numbering in the two source files to get it
>> all to align. Yes, any other autonumbering will be similarly
>> problematic, requiring you to force it to start with a specific value
>> (e.g., n=25). But you'll have a PDF "in" another PDF.
>>
>> As for "is [it] recommended", I think it's a good practice if you get
>> content from a business partner, legal, or some other entity that
>would
>> not want you to have any chance of editing it. (Hmm... but such a
>> locked-down PDF might not be appendable, in part or in whole, to
>> another one? And you can always use Advanced Text Tools on unlocked
>> PDFs, so maybe this use case ISN'T a good one! You'd probably have to
>> insert into FrameMaker as full-page "images" if locked down.)
>>
>> OK, another use case is a PDF created in another editor, for example
>a
>> dynamic form made in LiveCycle Designer. VERY hard to do such things
>in
>> FrameMaker, but easy in LCD. I've never tried that workflow, but it
>> seems kosher.
>>
>> Finally, you could have an 'example' PDF that is a sample of output
>> resulting from a process that is documented in the earlier PDF. That
>> would avoid you having to setup several master pages in the same book
>> to show the variations. OR, if you are, say, making a training manual
>> for using your publishing environment, and you want to show a sample
>of
>> all the output types, but Help won't append: make the Help output
>save
>> as PDF and then append tot he "how to" main PDF:
>>
>> * How To Run Output (1 PDF with 'internal style')
>>
>> ** PDF Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book with
>> 'external style')
>>
>> ** Help Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book rendered
>as
>> Help then exported/saved as PDF)
>>
>> ** (etc.)
>>
>> So, sure! It's recommended in cases where sourcing everything in
>> FrameMaker is impossible, too time consuming, or a poor content-reuse
>> scenario. Hope this helps;
>>
>> David
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
>> From: lklane64 <[1][5]lklan...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, March 17, 2017 9:35 am
>> To: [2][6]framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> I was wondering if anyone answered the question about adding PDFs to
>a
>> FM book file. Does anyone know if this is possible or even
>> recommended?
>> Thanks in advance,Laura
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [7]mailto:lklan...@gmail.com
>> 2. [8]mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
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Re: [Framers] using variables

2017-03-20 Thread Lin Sims
Hey Patrick,

As far as I know, there is no way to make a single variable have two
different values in the same file, and if you insert two separate variables
in a table title, they'll both show up for every page that title is
displayed on.

Some of the scripters might have a different answer for you. :)

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Barlow, Patrick N <
patrick.n.bar...@boeing.com> wrote:

> I have a document that contains a table that spans 264 pages. We need to
> number each page with a sheet number. Table 1 (Sheet 1 of 264) on the first
> page and each subsequent page will just contain the sheet number. Table 1
> (sheet 2) and so on. I'm trying to use a variable that can be inserted
> after the table number inside of the title. Variable Table Sheet  (Sheet
> <$tblsheetnum> of <$tblsheetcount>) will be the first page, second and
> subsequent pages will use (Sheet <$tblsheetnum>). Since I have to insert
> the variable on the title I can only insert it on the first page, which
> prevents me from using two different variables.
>
> I'm not sure how to create a variable to output one value on the first
> page then something different on subsequent pages. We have a table
> continued attribute that is inserted on the table title but does not
> display until after the first page. I'm not sure how that works, but it is
> similar to what I need to in this case. Any assistance will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-14 Thread Lin Sims
And pretty soon they may think you've started a movement.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com>
wrote:

> I voted for both of them.
>
> Very timely as well - having just had an ophthalmology appointment this
> morning for my old and tired eyes. ;-)))
>
> Alison
>
>
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 6:37 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> to menu icons
>
> Direct link to Dave Stamm's request is:
>
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2451
>
> (Dave, your link takes us to the fill-in form, not to your specific
> request.)
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com><
> mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com%3e> wrote:
>
> > 2017-03-10-05T14:00Z
> >
> > Well, disappointingly but not surprisingly, my feature request did not
> > survive the transition to Adobe's new setup.
> >
> > So, I just submitted it again.
> >
> > At https://tracker.adobe.com/#/add_feature , the "Bug Id" is
> FRMAKER-2451.
> >
> > Thank you for your support.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave Stamm
> > Information Engineer
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 15:33
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> > to menu icons
> >
> > Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too!
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com><
> mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com%3e>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
> > >
> > > I, too, voted in favor of your request. I also pointed out that your
> > > request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the
> > > dialog box for index entries. Good luck.
> > >
> > > Dave Stamm
> > > Information Engineer
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> > > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > > Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
> > > To: Frame Users
> > > Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> > > to menu icons
> > >
> > > I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most
> > > displeased to see that the menu icons had been returned to the
> > > "corporate standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to
> > > distinguish. This is causing me some eye strain, and I'm not at all
> > happy about it.
> > >
> > > I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
> > > least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the
> > > request.
> > >
> > > I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> > > subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let
> > > Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time.
> > > Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers who
> > > complained. It seems like poor customer service to me.
> > >
> > > Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
> > >
> > > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
> > >
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-17 Thread Lin Sims
Good to know. Lots of us out here don't have those fancy new high-rez
screens yet, so we can't take advantage of the work you've done. Being able
to at least select the icon size would at least help!

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Hi Lin,
>
>
>
> currently the size of the icons is based on the Windows display scaling
> and FrameMaker automatically selects one of the three sizes based on the
> system scaling.
>
>
>
> We are already discussing to make icon size a user-based preference.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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> *To:* Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and
> scaling to menu icons
>
>
>
> You said that there are 3 sizes available for the icons. So what I'm
> wondering is, is it possible to select a *preferred* size instead of the
> one served up by default for whatever your resolution is. It won't be
> color, but it'll be easier for those of us with eye issues to see.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Lin,
>
>
>
> > OK, I think I misunderstood what you were trying to tell me, for which I
> apologize.
>
>
>
> No need to apologize J I appreciate the open discussion!
>
>
>
> > Let me see if I understand now.
>
> > Adobe had to put a lot of effort into redesigning the menu/toolbar icons
> so that
>
> > they'd work properly on high-resolution screens. It didn't have the
> resources to
>
> > create those icons in both color and the Adobe "unicolor" standard if it
> wanted
>
> > to add other features and to fix bugs, so it decided to go with the
> corporate
>
> > standard interface so that those resources could be applied to adding
> features
>
> > and fixing bugs.
>
>
>
> Exactly so. Plus the feedback from many users who didn’t want to have
> colored icons anymore and requested a design to be calmer and more in line
> with other Adobe products.
>
>
>
> > If coloring the icons turns out to be too much effort, is it possible to
> allow
>
> > users to choose to use icons from the larger sets rather than the ones
> that
>
> > would show up based on the screen resolution? Or would that just get
> weird?
>
>
>
> Not sure, if I understand what you mean with “from the larger sets” …
> There is no “larger set” of icons in FM 2017. And the colored icons from
> 2015 do not work anymore as they were based on an older technology and are
> not compatible with high-dpi screens.
>
>
>
> In theory it would probably be possible to make the icons “theme based”
> and allow users to create their own themes with their own icons. But … to
> provide a full theme, you would have to create a total of +600 icons and
> all of them in three sizes (a total of 1,836 icons, just counted them). Not
> sure, if there would be really a lot of users who would want to do that …
>
>
>
> We have an open discussion about colored icons internally. Yes, we did
> hear you! But we have a lot of things on the roadmap and want to tackle a
> 

Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-17 Thread Lin Sims
OK, I think I misunderstood what you were trying to tell me, for which I
apologize.

Let me see if I understand now.

Adobe had to put a lot of effort into redesigning the menu/toolbar icons so
that they'd work properly on high-resolution screens. It didn't have the
resources to create those icons in both color and the Adobe "unicolor"
standard if it wanted to add other features and to fix bugs, so it decided
to go with the corporate standard interface so that those resources could
be applied to adding features and fixing bugs.

Do I have it now?

If so, I'm going to have to heave a heavy sigh of disappointment, because I
can't really argue with the decision. I'd put bug fixing at the top of the
list of priorities myself. I'm just sorry I don't currently have the
opportunity to take advantage of the high resolution icons. (My home laptop
is 6 years old, but I got a top of the line gaming rig so it isn't
practical or necessary to replace it yet.)

If coloring the icons turns out to be too much effort, is it possible to
allow users to choose to use icons from the larger sets rather than the
ones that would show up based on the screen resolution? Or would that just
get weird?

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com> wrote:

> I understood this, Lin.
>
> That's why I wrote:
>
> We will discuss this over the next weeks internally and explore the
> possibilities to satisfy the wishes from both user groups – those who like
> the colored icons and those who prefer uni-colored icons.
>
> The change to make FrameMaker compatible with high-res / high-dpi,
> scalable screens was a very heavy, but necessary and unavoidable
> investment. And the decision for the icons was to focus on one "theme",
> based on Adobe internal requirements, extensive market research, customer
> interviews and user feedback and involved UI and UX experts.
>
>
> Also, please understand, that due to huge the amount of icons (and every
> single of them in multiple sizes) providing both uni-colored and
> multi-colored would have been a substantial effort. Due to the changes in
> the UI technology all icons had to be created from the scratch.
>
> And after all we need to carefully balance between "cosmetic" dicersity
> and other all the other important wishes and requirements from the
> community.
>
>
> We all know how it is: When we invest now in colored icons because 33
> users have voted on a bug report that it is important for them, thousands
> of other users will come and say: What the heck, why are you wasting your
> efforts on the color of icons instead of bringing us feature a, b, c, d
> that we are asking for since xy?
>
>
> But don't get me wrong now, please. As I said, we appreciate the feedback
> from the frameusers community. And we heard you loud and clear. And as I
> said we will discuss it internally over the next weeks and explore what we
> can do to make you as our core group of users happy :-)
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *Stefan Gentz*
>
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> On 17 Mar 2017, at 01:26, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FrameMaker 2015 provided the OPTION to use either unicolor or colored icons
> in the menu bar, and also to scale the menu bar icons larger. FrameMaker
> 2017 doesn't have the option available anymore.
>
> I don't understand why providing that as an OPTION was taken away, since
> that allow

Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-16 Thread Lin Sims
FrameMaker 2015 provided the OPTION to use either unicolor or colored icons
in the menu bar, and also to scale the menu bar icons larger. FrameMaker
2017 doesn't have the option available anymore.

I don't understand why providing that as an OPTION was taken away, since
that allowed those who like color or larger scale icons in the
menu/toolbars to have them, and those who prefer to have them look like the
interface in other Adobe products to have that.

I don't think anyone here is asking that the menu/toolbar interface be all
one way or all the other. We're asking that both ways be available, as they
were in FM2015, so that we can make a choice regarding how we prefer them.


On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> we heard you!
>
> Thanks for all your feedback on the new icon design. We do appreciate your
> feedback.
>
> As you might imagine, we did not take the decision to go for a uni-color
> design easy and a lot of considerations and user feedback went into this.
> And yes, there was a diverse feedback from users: Some users liked the
> colored icons (for reasons many if you mentioned here as well) and strongly
> encouraged us to keep the colored icons, others preferred a uni-color
> design as they are used to it from other Adobe Apps and because they
> preferred a more "calm", less "distracting" working environment and
> strongly encouraged us to go for this. Also there is a wide range of users
> worldwide throughout many countries and cultures and age groups with a wide
> range of expectations.
>
> And no, we did not "dismiss and belittled" feedback in the prerelease
> phase. But the feedback came in a very late phase and there was no time
> left to take this into consideration. There are hundreds of icons and the
> majority of them are in multiple sites for the new high-dpi screen
> compatibility. It's nothing that can be done "overnight".
>
> Again, we did hear you and understand that there is a wide range of
> personal preferences and tastes. We will discuss this over the next weeks
> internally and explore the possibilities to satisfy the wishes from both
> user groups – those who like the colored icons and those who prefer
> uni-colored icons.
>
> By the way, my personal take on this is: I like the uni-color design and
> prefer it over the colored icons. I like it, because it's more calm and
> allows me to focus more on the content and get less distracted by a big
> bunch of "candy-colored" icons (yes, Matt Sullivan, I know … ;-)).
> I'm just used to this style as I also work every day in PhotoShop,
> Illustrator and InDesign as well. And I'm used to it, as many modern apps,
> tools, systems all have this kind of design. I just like it and it's for
> sure a personal preference.
> By the way, I work with FrameMaker intensively for more than 20 years and
> have pushed out several million of pages and went through all the UI
> changes over the last ten product generations. And personally I think the
> new FM 2017 UI is the best FrameMaker ever had – in terms of logical
> enhancements and restructuring, terminology enhancements and consistency,
> user-friendliness and productivity enhancements and technical advancements
> (I'm running FM on a modern high-dpi screen and LOVE the crystal clear,
> sharp UI and text editing).
> But again, that's just my personal 2 cents as a hardcore and long-term
> user ;-)
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>
>
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Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file

2017-03-17 Thread Lin Sims
Laura,

Not entirely certain what you're asking here. If you mean, can a PDF file
be imported into a FM file, the answer is yes, but it comes in as a graphic
and can only be imported one page at a time.

If you mean, add a PDF file as a file/chapter in a book, then the answer is
no. I just tried, and FM responded this was not a recognizable format.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 9:35 AM, lklane64 <lklan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone answered the question about adding PDFs to a FM
> book file.  Does anyone know if this is possible or even recommended?
> Thanks in advance,Laura
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Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file

2017-03-21 Thread Lin Sims
Hmmm. Just now reading up on dynamic forms. Did NOT realize they
rerendered; I have mistaken interactive for dynamic, I guess.

My apologies, David.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If by a dynamic form you're talking about a PDF form that can be filled in
> and saved, then yes, it can. There's a plugin for forms call Forms
> Assistant. Fillable fields, drop-down selection, radio buttons, check
> marks, the works. I took one of his courses years ago, and the order form
> was a PDF he made using Frame and TimeSavers. It was very slick.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, David Artman <da...@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Oh, yes, I'm well aware of MicroType TimeSavers. I do not think they
>>will do dynamic forms, though.
>>
>> Original Message ----
>>Subject: Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
>>From: Lin Sims <[1]ljsims...@gmail.com>
>>Date: Mon, March 20, 2017 4:18 pm
>>To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
>><[2]framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>>Dave,
>>If you want to create forms and other things in Frame for output to
>>PDF,
>>check out Shlomo Perets' Microtypes website. His TimeSavers tools
>>insert
>>postscript code into Frame files to do things like create dynamic
>>forms.
>>[3]http://microtype.com/showcase.html
>>On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:52 PM, David Artman
>><[4]da...@davidartman.com> wrote:
>>> You can use Acrobat Pro to append a PDF file to another PDF file, in
>>> whole or in part, and (IIRC) at any location using Document > Insert
>>> Pages.
>>>
>>> Yes, this adds a step (or more!) to workflow. Yes, the inserted PDF
>>> will have its own footers, etc; and thus, you might have to do some
>>> fancy footwork with page numbering in the two source files to get it
>>> all to align. Yes, any other autonumbering will be similarly
>>> problematic, requiring you to force it to start with a specific value
>>> (e.g., n=25). But you'll have a PDF "in" another PDF.
>>>
>>> As for "is [it] recommended", I think it's a good practice if you get
>>> content from a business partner, legal, or some other entity that
>>would
>>> not want you to have any chance of editing it. (Hmm... but such a
>>> locked-down PDF might not be appendable, in part or in whole, to
>>> another one? And you can always use Advanced Text Tools on unlocked
>>> PDFs, so maybe this use case ISN'T a good one! You'd probably have to
>>> insert into FrameMaker as full-page "images" if locked down.)
>>>
>>> OK, another use case is a PDF created in another editor, for example
>>a
>>> dynamic form made in LiveCycle Designer. VERY hard to do such things
>>in
>>> FrameMaker, but easy in LCD. I've never tried that workflow, but it
>>> seems kosher.
>>>
>>> Finally, you could have an 'example' PDF that is a sample of output
>>> resulting from a process that is documented in the earlier PDF. That
>>> would avoid you having to setup several master pages in the same book
>>> to show the variations. OR, if you are, say, making a training manual
>>> for using your publishing environment, and you want to show a sample
>>of
>>> all the output types, but Help won't append: make the Help output
>>save
>>> as PDF and then append tot he "how to" main PDF:
>>>
>>> * How To Run Output (1 PDF with 'internal style')
>>>
>>> ** PDF Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book with
>>> 'external style')
>>>
>>> ** Help Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book rendered
>>as
>>> Help then exported/saved as PDF)
>>>
>>> ** (etc.)
>>>
>>> So, sure! It's recommended in cases where sourcing everything in
>>> FrameMaker is impossible, too time consuming, or a poor content-reuse
>>> scenario. Hope this helps;
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
>>> From: lklane64 <[1][5]lklan...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Fri, March 17, 2017 9:35 am
>>> To: [2][6]framers@li

Re: [Framers] Anyone have any spiffy FM resume templates?

2017-03-15 Thread Lin Sims
I've put in a request to Carol to see if she'd be willing to host it on the
Framers site. In all honesty, all I really did was take the two formats
that Adobe created and melded them together to suit my tastes.

If she's not able to host it, I'll continue to send it at request. :)

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:41 PM, lklane64 <lklan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd love a copy as well 
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[Framers] Are there limits on Conditional Expressions? If so, what are they?

2017-04-12 Thread Lin Sims
Does Frame have a limit on how long the expression can be? I know from
annoying experience that it has a limit on how many nested levels you can
have. Are there any other gotchas that I should be aware of?

-+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+ -+

The rest of this email is background info to give y'all an idea of what I'm
dealing with. Feel free to skip it unless you would like to provide some
sympathy or are maybe a conditional expression guru and can offer some
advice.

I've currently got 14 different condition tags in a book, of which 3 are
never seen publicly and are easy to deal with in the expression, 1 is used
to indicate information that is under review for inclusion, and the other
10 overlap in various weird ways and took me, no lie, a week of
experimentation to write 8 separate condition expressions to correctly
generate the 8 different books being output from this set of files. (NB:
There are 2 IPs. One currently has 3 versions, the other only has 1 but
will likely have more soon, so I've already created tags to account for
them.)

They now want me to add another condition, which will actually wind up
being as more than that since this is another IP with an unknown number of
versions. (Hell, it's entirely possible the other two IPs will wind up with
more versions than I've created tags for already, too.)

I think I've worked out the how of adding the various "or" and "and not"
expressions in, but I'm worried about any limits to Frame's capabilities
here. Currently, my two longest expressions are 270 characters long, and
I've managed so far to keep the parenthetical expressions to only 2 levels.

Below is one of the long expressions I'm talking about. If anyone has
suggestions for making it more elegant, that'd be nice, too. (DocIss,
NoSeeEm, and WriterNote are the ones never seen by anyone other than the
developers and internal reviewers. TBP is the one for information under
review, and is sometimes combined with one or more of the other conditions
depending on which book the information is slated for. This thing is a
BEAST.)

not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or "NoSeeEm"
or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or "WriterNote" ) or ( "SAS4" and ( "LPvB" or
"LPvC" ) ) and not ("TBP" or "Internal") or ( "SAS4vA" and ( "LPvB" or "LPvC"
) ) and not ("TBP" or "Internal")

Regards,

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Re: [Framers] Are there limits on Conditional Expressions? If so, what are they?

2017-04-18 Thread Lin Sims
If there is documentation about evaluation precedence, I haven't been able
to find it.

I'm not sure about your comments on needing more parenthesis or a missing
not. I have found that you can't nest these expressions too far (I think 3
levels is the maximum) because Frame completely crashes.

This part of the expression is the same for both:

not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or "NoSeeEm"
or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or "WriterNote" )

and it's telling Frame not to show anything that has at least one of those
tags attached.

The second part is telling Frame that if the LITEvA tag is present in any
combination, it should be shown unless it is also tagged either Internal or
TBP.

So I'm trying to figure out why Frame wants each combination defined
separately. As far as I remember (and it's been a while since I did Boolean
logic),

(A and B) or (A and C) or (A and D) should be equivalent to (A and (B or C
or D)).

and

(A and B) and not (X or Y) or (A and C) and not (X or Y) should be
equivalent to (A and (B or C)) and not (X or Y)).

Why it isn't confuses me no end.






On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Is there any documentation of the precedence and order of evaluation
> of FrameMaker's conditional tag logical operators?
>
> I feel like the second one needs more parentheses and might be missing
> a NOT. As written, it looks like it will show (1) everything with none
> of the condition tags in the set that starts with DocIss as well as
> (2) everything that's tagged LITEvA that also has at least one of the
> tags in the set that starts with LP unless it has a TBP or Internal
> tag.
>
> not ("DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
> or
> ("LITEvA" and (("LP" or ... or "SAS4vC") and not ("TBP" or "Internal")))
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No one wants to tackle that wall o' text, huh? :)
> >
> > How's this, then. Could someone explain why these two expressions don't
> > have the same effect, even though (to my eyes) they are logically
> identical?
> >
> > This one works:
> >
> > not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or
> "NoSeeEm"
> > or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or "WriterNote" )
> or (
> > "LITEvA" and "LP" ) and not ( "Internal" or "TBP" ) or ( "LITEvA" and
> > "LPvA" ) and not ( "Internal" or "TBP" ) or ( "LITEvA" and "LPvB" ) and
> not (
> > "Internal" or "TBP" ) or ( "LITEvA" and "LPvC" ) and not ( "Internal" or
> "TBP"
> > ) or ( "LITEvA" and "SAS4" ) and not ( "Internal" or "TBP" ) or (
> "LITEvA"
> > and "SAS4vA" ) and not ( "Internal" or "TBP" ) or ( "LITEvA" and
> "SAS4vB" ) and
> > not ( "Internal" or "TBP" ) or ( "LITEvA" and "SAS4vC" ) and not (
> > "Internal" or "TBP" )
> >
> > This one doesn't:
> >
> > not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or
> "NoSeeEm"
> > or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or "WriterNote" )
> or (
> > "LITEvA" and (( "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or "SAS4" or
> > "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB"
> > or "SAS4vC" ) and not ( "TBP" or "Internal" ) ) )
> >
> > Specifically, I have some text marked with LP + LITEvA + TBP, LPvA +
> LITEvA
> > + TBP, and SAS4 + LITEvA + TBP that is hidden if I use the first
> expression
> > (which is what I want) and showing if I use the second (which is NOT
> what I
> > want).
> >
> > I'll use the first one (as it works correctly), but it is hard to build,
> > hard to read, and I'm still not sure if I have it built to address all
> > possible situations (although it works for the ones I've identified). But
> > I'd still like to understand why the second one doesn't work. Is this a
> > quirk of how FrameMaker interprets cond

Re: [Framers] Are there limits on Conditional Expressions? If so, what are they?

2017-04-18 Thread Lin Sims
Might be.  I'll have to try that. I thought I had, but maybe
not. I'll experiment and get back to you.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...This part of the expression is the same for both:
> >
> > not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or
> "NoSeeEm"
> > or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or "WriterNote" )
> >
> > and it's telling Frame not to show anything that has at least one of
> those
> > tags attached.
>
> In the second version, it's telling Frame to show everything that does
> not have any of those tags. That has no effect on anything that
> follows it. The logic is:
>
> NOT ( "DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
> OR
> (all the other stuff)
>
> Is what you want actually this?
>
> "LITEvA"
> AND ( ("LP" or ... "SAS4vC") AND NOT ("TBP" or "Internal") )
> AND NOT ("DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
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Re: [Framers] Are there limits on Conditional Expressions? If so, what are they?

2017-04-18 Thread Lin Sims
OK, assuming you were telling me to create this expression:

"LITEvA" and ( ( "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or
"SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" ) and not (  "Internal" or "TBP" ) ) and not (
"DocIss" or "NoSeeEm" or "WriterNote" )

The answer is no, that doesn't work. For example, I have something that is
tagged LP + LITEvA + TBP, and it shows up, and I don't want it to.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Might be.  I'll have to try that. I thought I had, but maybe
> not. I'll experiment and get back to you.
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ...This part of the expression is the same for both:
>> >
>> > not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or
>> "NoSeeEm"
>> > or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or "WriterNote" )
>> >
>> > and it's telling Frame not to show anything that has at least one of
>> those
>> > tags attached.
>>
>> In the second version, it's telling Frame to show everything that does
>> not have any of those tags. That has no effect on anything that
>> follows it. The logic is:
>>
>> NOT ( "DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
>> OR
>> (all the other stuff)
>>
>> Is what you want actually this?
>>
>> "LITEvA"
>> AND ( ("LP" or ... "SAS4vC") AND NOT ("TBP" or "Internal") )
>> AND NOT ("DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
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Re: [Framers] Are there limits on Conditional Expressions? If so, what are they?

2017-04-18 Thread Lin Sims
Would you believe:

"LITEvA" and not ( "Internal" or "TBP" )

works? So far, at least. I want to test a few more combinations. SHEEESH.
Someone told me I was supposed to be telling Frame what NOT to show, ergo
the

not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or "NoSeeEm"
or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or "WriterNote" )
lead-off and all the rest of it.

I knew I was overthinking this.



On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, assuming you were telling me to create this expression:
>
> "LITEvA" and ( ( "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA"
> or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" ) and not (  "Internal" or "TBP" ) ) and not (
> "DocIss" or "NoSeeEm" or "WriterNote" )
>
> The answer is no, that doesn't work. For example, I have something that is
> tagged LP + LITEvA + TBP, and it shows up, and I don't want it to.
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Might be.  I'll have to try that. I thought I had, but maybe
>> not. I'll experiment and get back to you.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > ...This part of the expression is the same for both:
>>> >
>>> > not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or
>>> "NoSeeEm"
>>> > or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or "WriterNote"
>>> )
>>> >
>>> > and it's telling Frame not to show anything that has at least one of
>>> those
>>> > tags attached.
>>>
>>> In the second version, it's telling Frame to show everything that does
>>> not have any of those tags. That has no effect on anything that
>>> follows it. The logic is:
>>>
>>> NOT ( "DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
>>> OR
>>> (all the other stuff)
>>>
>>> Is what you want actually this?
>>>
>>> "LITEvA"
>>> AND ( ("LP" or ... "SAS4vC") AND NOT ("TBP" or "Internal") )
>>> AND NOT ("DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
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Re: [Framers] Are there limits on Conditional Expressions? If so, what are they?

2017-04-18 Thread Lin Sims
Heh.

Internal / External is the audience. Internal customers get proprietary
information that the external customers don't.
DocIss is for tracking tickets entered against documentation so that I know
who asked for a change and what the change was.
LP / SAS4 / LITE are the various IPs coming out of the set, with vA / vB /
vC being the various versions of each IP.
NoSeeEm is a review condition used only on the cover page legend telling
reviewers what is visible in the document.
WriterNote is either notes to myself or questions for reviewers
TBP is information that is under review for inclusion in one of more IP /
Audience combinations.

This thing has been a nightmare, because prior to this doc I've only had to
use simple Show/Hide.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> You have four sets of conditions. What's the simplest logical
> statement of how you want to apply them?
>
> It's not clear to me why the Internal and DocIss sets are separate.
> You don't want this?
>
> "LITEvA"
> AND ("LP" or ... "SAS4vC")
> AND NOT ("TBP" or "Internal" or "DocIss" or "NoSeeEm" or  "WriterNote")
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > OK, assuming you were telling me to create this expression:
> >
> > "LITEvA" and ( ( "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or "SAS4" or
> "SAS4vA" or
> > "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" ) and not (  "Internal" or "TBP" ) ) and not (
> > "DocIss" or "NoSeeEm" or "WriterNote" )
> >
> > The answer is no, that doesn't work. For example, I have something that
> is
> > tagged LP + LITEvA + TBP, and it shows up, and I don't want it to.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Might be.  I'll have to try that. I thought I had, but maybe
> >> not. I'll experiment and get back to you.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> > ...This part of the expression is the same for both:
> >>> >
> >>> > not ( "DocIss" or "Internal" or "LP" or "LPvA" or "LPvB" or "LPvC" or
> >>> "NoSeeEm"
> >>> > or "SAS4" or "SAS4vA" or "SAS4vB" or "SAS4vC" or "TBP" or
> "WriterNote" )
> >>> >
> >>> > and it's telling Frame not to show anything that has at least one of
> >>> those
> >>> > tags attached.
> >>>
> >>> In the second version, it's telling Frame to show everything that does
> >>> not have any of those tags. That has no effect on anything that
> >>> follows it. The logic is:
> >>>
> >>> NOT ( "DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
> >>> OR
> >>> (all the other stuff)
> >>>
> >>> Is what you want actually this?
> >>>
> >>> "LITEvA"
> >>> AND ( ("LP" or ... "SAS4vC") AND NOT ("TBP" or "Internal") )
> >>> AND NOT ("DocIss" or ... "WriterNote")
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[Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-09 Thread Lin Sims
I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased to
see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing
me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.

I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at least
some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.

I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
like poor customer service to me.

Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449

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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-09 Thread Lin Sims
Are you talking about this one, called *Bad button displays*?

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2402

I ran a search in Tracker, but didn't find anything for index entries. Or
did you put that in the forums?

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com> wrote:

> 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
>
> I, too, voted in favor of your request.  I also pointed out that your
> request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the dialog
> box for index entries.  Good luck.
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to
> menu icons
>
> I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased
> to see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
> tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing
> me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
>
> I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
> least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the
> request.
>
> I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
> know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
> understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
> like poor customer service to me.
>
> Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
>
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-09 Thread Lin Sims
Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too!

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com> wrote:

> 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
>
> I, too, voted in favor of your request.  I also pointed out that your
> request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the dialog
> box for index entries.  Good luck.
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to
> menu icons
>
> I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased
> to see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
> tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing
> me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
>
> I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
> least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the
> request.
>
> I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
> know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
> understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
> like poor customer service to me.
>
> Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
>
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-09 Thread Lin Sims
Which is useful, thank you, but doesn't that mean you've just changed your
settings for everything ELSE you use, too?

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:37 PM, techcommtools.com <m...@techcommtools.com>
wrote:

> Hi Lin, Keith,
>
> I agree…imagine how (not) happy I was to discover that without color, I
> needed to redo nearly all the screenshots in my Fm book!
>
> I added my “vote” to the colored icons request at
>
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
>
> However, you *can* adjust the size of your icons somewhat by adjusting
> your Windows interface settings. See video #3 at
>  https://vimeopro.com/mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-
> release-new-feature-videos <https://vimeopro.com/
> mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-release-new-feature-videos>
> to watch a video I did for Adobe on the latest functionality.
>
> -Matt
> Matt R. Sullivan
> Tech Comm Tools
>
> online courses <http://www.techcommtools.com/upcoming-courses/>  |  you
> can book me <https://mattrsullivan.youcanbook.me/>
>
> Author, FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
>  <http://www.amazon.com/Publishing-Fundamentals-
> Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
>
>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:13:23 -0500
> > From: Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com>
> > To: Frame Users <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> >   to  menu icons
> >
> >
> > I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased
> to
> > see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
> > tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is
> causing
> > me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
> >
> > I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
> least
> > some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.
> >
> > I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> > subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
> > know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
> > understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
> > like poor customer service to me.
> >
> > Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
> >
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
> >
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

2017-03-10 Thread Lin Sims
Direct link to Dave Stamm's request is:

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2451

(Dave, your link takes us to the fill-in form, not to your specific
request.)

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com> wrote:

> 2017-03-10-05T14:00Z
>
> Well, disappointingly but not surprisingly, my feature request did not
> survive the transition to Adobe's new setup.
>
> So, I just submitted it again.
>
> At https://tracker.adobe.com/#/add_feature , the "Bug Id" is FRMAKER-2451.
>
> Thank you for your support.
>
> Regards,
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 15:33
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> to menu icons
>
> Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too!
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
> >
> > I, too, voted in favor of your request.  I also pointed out that your
> > request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the
> > dialog box for index entries.  Good luck.
> >
> > Dave Stamm
> > Information Engineer
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
> > To: Frame Users
> > Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> > to menu icons
> >
> > I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most
> > displeased to see that the menu icons had been returned to the
> > "corporate standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to
> > distinguish. This is causing me some eye strain, and I'm not at all
> happy about it.
> >
> > I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
> > least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the
> > request.
> >
> > I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> > subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let
> > Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time.
> > Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers who
> > complained. It seems like poor customer service to me.
> >
> > Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
> >
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
> >
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Re: [Framers] Anyone have any spiffy FM resume templates?

2017-03-14 Thread Lin Sims
It'll need to wait until after work so I can access my home computer, but
I'm happy to share. It's thoroughly out of date by now (I had to port it to
 Word because of applying for jobs online) but the set-up is the
same.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks!
> I actually based my current one off the template pack too!
> If you can get yours easily, I'd like to see it, but don't spend any extra
> time on it.
>
>
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>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I based mine on one of the templates Adobe provided way back with Frame
> ..
> > err, 4? 5? somewhen around there. Did some jiggering with it, but I think
> > it came out nice and it seems to have made a good impression on people
> I've
> > interviewed with. I did it in Frame 8, and may be able to find it if you
> > want a copy.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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Re: [Framers] Anyone have any spiffy FM resume templates?

2017-03-14 Thread Lin Sims
I based mine on one of the templates Adobe provided way back with Frame ..
err, 4? 5? somewhen around there. Did some jiggering with it, but I think
it came out nice and it seems to have made a good impression on people I've
interviewed with. I did it in Frame 8, and may be able to find it if you
want a copy.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Kinda bored on the snow day, and looking for a project
>
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Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file

2017-03-21 Thread Lin Sims
David,

I've never worked with TimeSavers (or created forms of any sort), so my
understanding of what his tools can do is limited. He does say that he can
provide custom solutions, so it may be worthwhile to contact him and ask
both about the Forms Assistant capabilities and whether creating dynamic
forms is possible with his tool. Be pretty cool if you could! :)

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:22 AM, David Artman <da...@davidartman.com>
wrote:

>Whoops! I didn't read your second reply before responding.
>
>No worries.
>
> Original Message 
>Subject: Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
>From: Lin Sims <[1]ljsims...@gmail.com>
>Date: Tue, March 21, 2017 10:08 am
>To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
><[2]framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>Hmmm. Just now reading up on dynamic forms. Did NOT realize they
>rerendered; I have mistaken interactive for dynamic, I guess.
>    My apologies, David.
>On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Lin Sims <[3]ljsims...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> If by a dynamic form you're talking about a PDF form that can be
>filled in
>> and saved, then yes, it can. There's a plugin for forms call Forms
>> Assistant. Fillable fields, drop-down selection, radio buttons, check
>> marks, the works. I took one of his courses years ago, and the order
>form
>> was a PDF he made using Frame and TimeSavers. It was very slick.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, David Artman
><[4]da...@davidartman.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, yes, I'm well aware of MicroType TimeSavers. I do not think they
>>> will do dynamic forms, though.
>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
>>> From: Lin Sims <[1][5]ljsims...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, March 20, 2017 4:18 pm
>>> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
>>> <[2][6]framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>>> Dave,
>>> If you want to create forms and other things in Frame for output to
>>> PDF,
>>> check out Shlomo Perets' Microtypes website. His TimeSavers tools
>>> insert
>>> postscript code into Frame files to do things like create dynamic
>>> forms.
>>> [3][7]http://microtype.com/showcase.html
>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:52 PM, David Artman
>>> <[4][8]da...@davidartman.com> wrote:
>>> > You can use Acrobat Pro to append a PDF file to another PDF file,
>in
>>> > whole or in part, and (IIRC) at any location using Document >
>Insert
>>> > Pages.
>>> >
>>> > Yes, this adds a step (or more!) to workflow. Yes, the inserted
>PDF
>>> > will have its own footers, etc; and thus, you might have to do
>some
>>> > fancy footwork with page numbering in the two source files to get
>it
>>> > all to align. Yes, any other autonumbering will be similarly
>>> > problematic, requiring you to force it to start with a specific
>value
>>> > (e.g., n=25). But you'll have a PDF "in" another PDF.
>>> >
>>> > As for "is [it] recommended", I think it's a good practice if you
>get
>>> > content from a business partner, legal, or some other entity that
>>> would
>>> > not want you to have any chance of editing it. (Hmm... but such a
>>> > locked-down PDF might not be appendable, in part or in whole, to
>>> > another one? And you can always use Advanced Text Tools on
>unlocked
>>> > PDFs, so maybe this use case ISN'T a good one! You'd probably have
>to
>>> > insert into FrameMaker as full-page "images" if locked down.)
>>> >
>>> > OK, another use case is a PDF created in another editor, for
>example
>>> a
>>> > dynamic form made in LiveCycle Designer. VERY hard to do such
>things
>>> in
>>> > FrameMaker, but easy in LCD. I've never tried that workflow, but
>it
>>> > seems kosher.
>>> >
>>> > Finally, you could have an 'example' PDF that is a sample of
>output
>>> > resulting from a process that is documented in the earlier PDF.
>That
>>> > would avoid you having to setup s

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