Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
If you're going to be publishing both PDF and online help, that's what I'd do. The developers should let you know when they add a new context ID. If they neglect to, when you notice a new ? button in the UI you can ask them. Again, be sure when the help call encounters an unmapped context IDs it

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
ed, creating HTML 5 help is not documented well > enough in the Frame help. > > > > > Caroline Tabach > > On Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:20 Robert Lauriston, wrote: > > > Caroline said via email that FrameMaker does generate the map file > > automatically. Is

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
Given that you have RoboHelp: If this will be distributed as online help only, I'd create the doc in RoboHelp. If you'll be single-sourcing to both online help and PDF, I strongly recommend putting the source in FrameMaker and linking to RoboHelp. It's a big time-saver to be able to see and fix

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
I've generated CSH map files using various tools (standalone RoboHelp, FrameMaker + WebWorks, FrameMaker + MIF2Go, FrameMaker + RoboHelp, Flare, Oxygen, Scroll HTML Exporter, Paligo) and they all worked perfectly. They don't generate the map IDs (topic identifiers) themselves, you write those

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
, May 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > > Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map > file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in > a text editor invites human error. > > The FrameMaker doc itself points to the Rob

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
the time I took over the project a few years later had resulted in many broken links. On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > > I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ... > > On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston, wrote: > > > Lo

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston wrote: > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using > FrameMaker. > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using FrameMaker. Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML Help. Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have

Re: [Framers] Grammar Question

2019-04-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Texas Instruments uses "RS-485-compliant" in their docs, e.g.: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slla272c/slla272c.pdf ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at

Re: [Framers] Grammar Question

2019-04-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
There's nothing wrong with "RS-485-compliant." The first hyphen is part of the noun "RS-485," the second forms a phrasal adjective. This isn't really grammar, it's an arbitrary punctuation rule that varies from one style guide to another. Some might use en dashes instead of hyphens. Are you sure

Re: [Framers] Sharing Frame

2019-04-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
You can find the license in a file somewhere in the FrameMaker program directory. As I recall it allows only one user to install in two places such as a desktop and laptop, or work and home PCs. I don't believe Adobe has ever sold floating licenses except maybe as part of large site-license

Re: [Framers] Best Method, Word 2013 to Frame 2019.

2019-03-11 Thread Robert Lauriston
I strongly recommend starting with one of the smallest docs to learn the process. If due to bad formatting in the Word source the import is not clean and needs a lot of work, you might try the convert-to-zip-and-extract approach. On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM Richard Melanson wrote: > > Hi

Re: [Framers] CSH HTML5 from Frame 2017 How should the Developers call the help pages

2019-02-13 Thread Robert Lauriston
Under the hood it's RoboHelp. https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.html On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 5:15 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > > What must I tell the programmers to call so that they get the correct help > pages?

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Robert Lauriston
MadCap Flare can open FrameMaker files. The PDF output might require some tweaking. Get a 30-day free trial and see. Same story for RoboHelp. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada wrote: > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM > installed on their network.

Re: [Framers] Has anyone ever written a FrameMaker Cookbook?

2019-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
I wrote up a few long ago: http://lauriston.com/framemaker_tips.html This includes a PDF explaining how to link FrameMaker source to a RoboHelp project, plus an example project: http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 1:58 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > And by this, I don't

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
"Among those interviewed were [Merle Haggard's] two ex-wives, Kris Kristofferson and Robert Duvall." http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/HaggardComma.jpg ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com

Re: [Framers] Color Views: what are they FOR?

2019-01-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
Making text invisible seems the kind of kludge Word fans come up with to work around its limitations. While it's technically possible it's hard to imagine a use case where there's not a much better solution. Among other problems, if the document ever fell into the hands of a non-expert user,

Re: [Framers] Expected Size of HTML5 Help file - from your experience and knowledge

2018-12-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
The skin shouldn't make much difference, that's just different CSS. Seems like SnagIt's compression is not the best, so you should use some other tool to get maximum compression. Are all those images really essential? Have you cropped out all irrelevant information? Is the 15MB limit really

Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

2018-12-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
If you're cropping out the irrelevant parts, saving as PNG, and importing by reference, then the large size is probably due to having many, many images. Snagit's PNG compression might not be the best. You could try running a batch job to open and resave the PNG files with some other tool, such as

Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

2018-12-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
What format are the screen captures? They should be PNG and imported by reference. On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:20 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > > Hi > > R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big. > > It came out as 15 MB > > Currently I have included the screen captures in the help.

Re: [Framers] Fwd: FrameMaker Subscription Edition (one-year)サブスクリプションの期間が延長されました

2018-11-21 Thread Robert Lauriston
Looks like you somehow ended up on Adobe's marketing spam mailing list for Japan. On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 11:57 AM Alan Litchfield wrote: > Adobe people, what the hell is this? > > Alan > > PS, Sorry listers, I don’t seem to have any other way to access Adobe support. > > -- > Dr Alan Litchfield

Re: [Framers] Arbortext v Frame

2018-11-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
I don't know much about Arbortext, but iin addition to an XML editor they also have a CMS and a single-source publishing system. It seems kind of weird to be considering only Arbortext rather than evaluating all the options. What flavor of structured FrameMaker are you using? DITA? SD1000? On

Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

2018-10-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
Where but on a FrameMaker list would you find an expert opinion about when it's the wrong tool for a particular job? Doing complicated topic reuse using FrameMaker's conditional text is possible, but it's a painful and time-consuming kludge compared with tools that make it easy to assemble

Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

2018-10-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
Managing lots of conditions can get pretty gnarly at the paragraph level. Flare makes that kind of thing much easier. On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:15 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > > That sounds good. > > > > Caroline Tabach > > בתאריך יום ד׳, 10 באוק׳ 2018, 19:19, מאת Lin Sims ‏: > > > As a

Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

2018-10-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
on, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:37 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: >> >> My first thought would be to migrate to Flare or Paligo, which are >> much better at that sort of reuse. >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:24 AM Caroline Tabach >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, &g

Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

2018-10-08 Thread Robert Lauriston
My first thought would be to migrate to Flare or Paligo, which are much better at that sort of reuse. On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:24 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > > Hi, > > I have converted the very large Word user guide to FrameMaker. I am using > Unstructured Frame 2017 > > This is a guide for a

Re: [Framers] Hmm, so do I renew???

2018-10-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
If I'm not using something I've subscribed to I don't renew until I need it again. On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:30 PM Jay Maechtlen wrote: > > On 10/3/2018 7:55 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote: > > Yesterday (3rd October) I get an email from Adobe > > > > Your FrameMaker Subscription Edition (one-year)

Re: [Framers] HTML

2018-10-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
It can be good to have virtual machines with plain-vanilla installations of whatever operating systems and browsers you support to check appearance. Though if RoboHelp's default font-family substitutions are good, you might not have to worry about it. In the past I've just used the automap

Re: [Framers] HTML

2018-10-01 Thread Robert Lauriston
That's a general issue with HTML. You don't know what fonts readers will have installed on their computers. Read up on web-safe fonts and the CSS font-family property. On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 7:41 AM Doug wrote: > > Thanks for the advice on using File > Publish, the Responsive HTML5 results >

Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
That's true only for vector graphics. If you zoom in far enough on a bitmap you can see the individual pixels, just as in Acrobat or Adobe Reader. On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:53 PM wrote: > > The on-screen preview will always look "bad" since you are only seeing a > preview. ...

Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
, 2018 at 4:55 AM Doug wrote: > > We use either PNG or AI files, FrameMaker 2017, Windows 10 w/latest updates > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:33 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > What format image and which version of FrameMaker? > > > > If you're displaying EPS,

Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
What format image and which version of FrameMaker? If you're displaying EPS, you're not looking at the same image. FrameMaker's showing a preview bitmap stored in the EPS file and PDF is rendering the actual vectors. On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM Doug wrote: > > I'm comparing how an image

Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Rather than "set your desktop resolution to the highest it can support" I'd say set your display to its native resolution. I don't believe LCD ClearType / font-smoothing settings have any effect on what's captured. To me, the most important tips are (1) selecting or cropping to show only

Re: [Framers] HTML

2018-09-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Save as HTML was never good for much. With FrameMaker 6 through 11, if you wanted professional-looking HTML output, you used WebWorks, RoboHelp, or MIF2Go. >From FrameMaker 12 on, you can use the built-in subset of RoboHelp features ("multichannel publishing"), though WebWorks ePublisher has some

Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Not always for better performance, sometimes just because FrameMaker can't render the format on screen. E.g. for EPS vector graphics FrameMaker uses the embedded preview bitmap. On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:34 AM Jeff Coatsworth wrote: > > Depending on the image format, FM often sacrifices

Re: [Framers] FM2019 - 32/64-bit?

2018-09-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
Sorry. I'm not sure how I missed that. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: > FM2019 is available as 32-bit and 64-bit. That forum post is talking about > FM2017. > > Thanks, > ...scott > > > On 9/24/18 10:12 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote: >> >&g

Re: [Framers] FM2019 - 32/64-bit?

2018-09-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
The main reason to run the 32-bit version of FrameMaker is that there is no 64-bit version. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2447691 On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: > If/when you upgrade to FM2019 (or beyond), would any of you be using the > 32-bit version? As a plugin

Re: [Framers] OFF TOPIC: Adobe CS6.

2018-09-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
Have you looked on eBay? A FrameMaker list is probably not the best place to get advice about Adobe CS / CC. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Richard Melanson wrote: > Nobody ?? > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers >

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-21 Thread Robert Lauriston
The last time I had to place Visio drawings in FrameMaker I had some problem with PDF (which worked fine with Excel) so I used EMF, but today I'd use SVG. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Carrie Baker wrote: > A further question. > > What is the best practice for importing Visio to Frame

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
2000 OLE objects would certainly be asking for trouble. It's probably possible to write a VBScript that would go through all the Visio files in a directory, resize them to fit the drawing, and export to SVG or some other format FrameMaker can handle. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:35 AM, wrote: >

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
; you, I assumed this was a Windows platform given she is talking about Visio. > > BTW, Julie, if this IS Windows and Visio, remember to shrink the Visio > canvas down around the drawing, or, depending on the size of the drawing, > you could be looking at a lot of empty space. > > On W

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
That's embedding an OLE object. Might be appropriate or not depending on many factors. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > Yes. > >1. File > Import > Object, select Microsoft Visio Drawing from the list >2. Select Create from File >3. Select Link >4. Click OK. > >

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
I tried various approaches a few years ago and ended up exporting the Visio drawings to EMF and placing those by reference in FrameMaker. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM, wrote: > Is it possible to import by reference Visio graphics into a FrameMaker > 2017 file?

Re: [Framers] Changing Resolution for all imported graphics

2018-09-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker's dpi setting has no effect on the image. If you have a 300x400 image set to 100 dpi, it will be 3" x 4" on the page. If you change that to 200 dpi, it will be 1.5" x 2". > -Original Message- > From: Framers On > Behalf Of Caroline Tabach > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018

Re: [Framers] PDF Job Options - do you customize?

2018-09-12 Thread Robert Lauriston
I used to use High Quality Print since with Standard the images were often degraded. Before that was available, I disabled image degradation as shown here: http://lauriston.com/framemaker_tips.html On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Caroline Tabach wrote: > Do you use the default PDF Job Options?

Re: [Framers] alternatives to VirtualBox in Windows

2018-09-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
the first place! > YMMV. > On Mon, 10 Sep 2018, Robert Lauriston wrote: > >> Windows has its own virtual PC system. In Windows 7 it's Windows >> Virtual PC, which has to be installed. In Windows 10 it's Hyper-V, >> which is built in. > > ___

[Framers] alternatives to VirtualBox in Windows

2018-09-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
Windows has its own virtual PC system. In Windows 7 it's Windows Virtual PC, which has to be installed. In Windows 10 it's Hyper-V, which is built in. You can download VM images (ISO files) for various Windows releases from Microsoft. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Frank Stearns wrote: > >

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

2018-09-04 Thread Robert Lauriston
My guess is Adobe took Windows out of the PDF-generation loop so that Microsoft updates or selecting the wrong printer driver can't break it. This is the 1.0 release of that code. Give them six months or a year to get the bugs out and address limitations. On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Tom

Re: [Framers] XML Author - where has it gone?

2018-09-03 Thread Robert Lauriston
Discontinued. https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/discontinued-products.html On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Klaus Daube wrote: > I try to update my website concerning the History of FrameMaker and discover > the > following: > > - In FM-13 (2015) XML Author could be selected

Re: [Framers] FM2019 Doesn't Print to PDF

2018-08-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Maybe the known issue with Windows 10 build 1803 that was fixed by a patch Microsoft released on July 24? On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Corcoran, Susan wrote: > > I'm playing with the trial version of FM2019 (on Win 10) and I have found > that I can't publish to PDF properly. Using the

Re: [Framers] FM 2017 upgrade to FM 2019

2018-08-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
Why not get the 30-day free trial and see for yourself? On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 9:21 AM Doug wrote: > > We bought FM 2017 in May 2017, so I'm sure we'll have to pay to > upgrade. But is it worth it? If I knew doing so would resolve the > annoying quirks I've had to deal with, it might be. But

Re: [Framers] Upgrade to FM-15 aka 219

2018-08-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
The only upgrade option is from FM2017 ($400), so it would cost you $1000 for the full license or $30 a month for the subscription. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > I'd be curious to hear what the upgrade price is from FM12, if there is one. > Anyone know, without me having

Re: [Framers] ANN: FrameMaker 2019

2018-08-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
I'll believe that when someone confirms that it no longer uses CPD. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:55 PM, Jack DeLand wrote: > Yes, and the RoboHelp blurb says: "And it's a complete new RoboHelp > developped from the scratch." > Yow. ___ This message is

Re: [Framers] ANN: FrameMaker 2019

2018-08-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
It was released today. So was TCS 2019. https://www.adobe.com/in/products/framemaker/features.html https://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite.html On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > 19 hasn't hit the market. It's been announced.

Re: [Framers] Frame2017 slow on network??

2018-08-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
Best practice is to use Subversion or some other source control system with file locks (i.e., not Git). Keeping source in shared directories on a file server is about as out of date as single-user installed software that runs only on Windows. On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:36 PM, wrote: >I've

Re: [Framers] Frame2017 slow on network??

2018-08-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
Working with FrameMaker files on a network drive is asking for trouble. To share files within a group, use Subversion or whatever source control system you have already. On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 7:29 AM, Caroline Tabach wrote: > Hi, > > Our purchase of Frame went through. > > I am working on

Re: [Framers] An annoying FM 12 "feature"

2018-08-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker's file locks have never worked very well. On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:52 PM, wrote: > Hi Rick and Fred, > > Thank you! I will do that. I never had to mess w/ this setting before, so I > vaguely remembered something about it, but wasn't sure if my memory served > me correctly. Nope,

Re: [Framers] Perpetual Newbie Question #2

2018-08-09 Thread Robert Lauriston
I believe Delete All Unused Formats was added in FM10. In earlier releases I used Silicon Prairie's Character Tools and Paragraph Tools: https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:12 AM, Doug wrote: > On the Paragraph/Character Catalog window there's a gear icon. When >

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] cTUVus documentation

2018-07-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
cTUVus satisfies both US and Canadian requirements, and Canadian standards always require French, so my guess is that without French you'd be out of compliance. If you don't have Canadian customers or plan to get any, maybe your company should be getting US-only UL 61010-1 certification instead?

Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing

2018-07-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
dization on graphic type makes sense. >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Robert Lauriston" >> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < >> framers@lists.frameusers.com> >> Sent: 7/20/2018 12:

Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing

2018-07-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
When you export the SVG with the embedded bitmap to PDF, is it still missing? FrameMaker can't always preview vector images. You're wasting your time embedding bitmaps in SVGs. It's still a bitmap, so if someone zooms in it you'll start seeing the graininess. Only the vector portions of the SVG

Re: [Framers] Fwd: Non-breaking en, em dashes

2018-07-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
The problem was that the font did not have a glyph for the specified Unicode. On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote: > The font has to support UTF8, of course! :-) > > Bodvar > > > > > > 2018-07-05 18:37 GMT+00:00 Robert Lauriston : > >&

[Framers] Fwd: Non-breaking en, em dashes

2018-07-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
I've had problems with that when the character I was inserting was not available in the current font. If I remember right, FrameMaker silently grabs the character from another font and applies direct formatting? -- Forwarded message -- From: Böðvar Björgvinsson Date: Thu, Jul 5,

Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
te CSS, using the content of the remote one. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:47 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Override defa

Re: [Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
think about XML later on. That > is exactly what I did some years back. > Roger > > > Sent from my tablet. > ---- Original message From: Robert Lauriston > Date: 28/06/2018 18:12 (GMT+00:00) To: "An email > list for people using Adobe FrameMaker softwar

Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
The Manage CSS dialog is supposed to allow you to specify an external CSS file. On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Pat Christenson wrote: > FrameMaker 2017, Windows > > I have 100+ FrameMaker files in a book to convert to individual Basic HTML > files. Everything is going well, except for one

[Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
"Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other structure without having to convert it to XML." DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA elements? That's not entirely true, some

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs Flare

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
The $360-per-year FrameMaker subscription includes upgrades, so that's significantly cheaper than Flare. On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > Comparing Flare and standalone FrameMaker, HTML output is more customizable > and it's probably a better single-sourcin

Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
I found no new-user resources for structured FrameMaker when I looked for them a few years ago. Adobe seems to presume that anyone who's going to use it will hire a consultant or something. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/939735 I suggest you look at Oxygen XML Author. On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
If you buy the $360-a-year subscription, are upgrades included? If not, how much are they? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs Flare

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
Comparing Flare and standalone FrameMaker, HTML output is more customizable and it's probably a better single-sourcing tool, except as regards PDF targets. Comparing Flare and FrameMaker plus RoboHelp or WebWorks ePublisher Pro, hard to say. I'd probably take unstructured FrameMaker and WebWorks

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
recent versions of FM are > at least as equally solid and have a lot of nice features lacking in FM8. > > Craig > > From: Framers on > behalf of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:45 PM > To: Ken Poshedly; An email list fo

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
nstrained writing environments, and the separation of content and form". > I do not consider myself an expert in this area, but based on that > description, I believe Flare falls into that category. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf &

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
The last solid version was FrameMaker 8. It had Unicode support but not the bizarre and buggy UI layer Adobe added in FM9. It still seems strange to me that Adobe used a sui generis UI layer for a Windows-only application. Maybe it was cheaper to do that than to map the core code that started in

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
Flare isn't structured. The topic source is XHTML. On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote: > As others have mentioned, it depends on your experience. We were using > unstructured Frame, so going from that to structured, topic-based authoring > was a bit of

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
I'd had to learn CSS for lots of other reasons before I used it in Flare. The first time you define print layouts with CSS there are a lot of things to learn. On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:36 AM, Jack DeLand wrote: > FWIW, I had taught RoboHelp for several years and wrote a chapter of one >

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
Depends on your experience. I had used RoboHelp before I used Flare and they're generally very similar. Most of my problems with Flare were due to bad UI design or incomplete or confusing documentation. Often I couldn't find features that I knew were in there someplace. I got answers to most of

Re: [Framers] When/which was the first 32-bit version of FM?

2018-06-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
I'm not sure there ever was a 16-bit version. It was originally developed on a 32-bit Sun-2 workstation and Windows 3.11 supported Win32s. On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Klaus Daube wrote: > Dear all, > > We know that the first Windows port of FM was for Win 3.11 must have been a > 16-bit >

Re: [Framers] XML Requirements

2018-06-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
What does this doc look like to end users? Is that going to change, or will it stay the same and the developers just want you to reduce the amount of work they have to do? Is their ideal that they could just plug what you give them into their project? Are we talking about a web application here?

Re: [Framers] Follow up to Adobe "support"

2018-06-07 Thread Robert Lauriston
Flare's superior to FrameMaker + ePublisher Pro in most ways, but as with any topic-based single-sourcing tool, getting professional-looking PDFs can be a lot of work, and you might spend a lot of time dealing with bad page breaks. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 11:06 AM, wrote: > I was evaluating two

Re: [Framers] Adobe "support?""

2018-06-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
Adobe support was good ~20 years ago, when I started using it. On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote: > Don't we all long for the days when Frame Technologies owned Framemaker and > there was actually good customer support? ... ___

Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

2018-05-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
onopolistic actions. > > > On May 27, 2018, at 12:27, Robert Lauriston wrote: > > > > Upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1. > > > >> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Ken Poshedly > >> wrote: > >> > >> Here's something I didn't need

Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

2018-05-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
o I won’t. Windows 10 did > an automatic install when I had Windows 7, and I don’t want to repeat that > debacle. > >> On May 27, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote: >> >> Upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1. >> >>> On Sun, May

Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

2018-05-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
Upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1. On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Ken Poshedly wrote: > > Here's something I didn't need to have happen on a Saturday night. And I > suspect the cause seems to be Windows 10 updates. > > Worked on some FM 10.0 files Saturday morning and all

Re: [Framers] AUGH! I hate it when Adobe breaks existing behavior

2018-05-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
The original UI makeover in FrameMaker 9 broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts that Adobe never fixed. On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Harding, Dan wrote: > Pardon me for the rant, but I need to vent. > > I just recently upgraded from Frame 2012 to Frame 2017 as the former

Re: [Framers] Word to Frame Again - pictures/screenshots

2018-05-13 Thread Robert Lauriston
You can get all images as files by changing the Word file's extension from .docx to .zip and extracting it. On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Caroline Tabach wrote: > ... what about the screen captures and diagrams; Frame of course imports > all the graphics straight

Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

2018-05-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
In FrameMaker, is there any way to create a block of code you can select by double- or triple-clicking? That seems far more useful to me than the appearance. If the box doesn't indicate that I'd just skip it. I certainly wouldn't wrap the code in a table since that can make extra work when

Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously

2018-05-03 Thread Robert Lauriston
, which can directly import FrameMaker files, or Paligo, which can import XHTML exported from FrameMaker. On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Caroline Tabach <caroline.tab...@gmail.com> wrote: > So is Paligo instead of FrameMaker? > > Caroline Tabach > > בתאריך יום ד׳, 2 במאי 20

Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously

2018-05-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
The way I have things set up on Paligo, when we ship, say, release 1.2, I branch the 1.2 doc to create the 1.3 doc, and update the version number variable in the 1.3 doc to reflect the new number. At that point, all the topics are the same. If I generate the 1.3 doc, it's identical to the 1.2

Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously

2018-05-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
The nature of software releases means that the number of conditions would grow indefinitely. I don't see how this would not eventually become unmanageable. DITA (which is just a text markup standard) doesn't make sense if you don't have a lot more reuse than simply maintaining multiple versions

Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously

2018-05-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
I switched to Paligo in part because it's very good at maintaining multiple versions and handling reuse across versions. It has an integrated CMS that handles that stuff. I presume that structured FrameMaker with a compatible CMS that supports reuse can do what I do with Paligo, but switching

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

2018-04-25 Thread Robert Lauriston
I worked with Jeremy trying to make MIF2Go a solid way to migrate from FrameMaker to Confluence. We got OK results page by page, but cross-references between pages were a sticking point and Atlassian was not helpful. He posted to this list about it on 22 March 2013. I'd post what we came up with

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

2018-04-25 Thread Robert Lauriston
The WebWorks ePublisher thing mentioned in that book came out just as Confluence was switching from wiki markup (versions 3 and earlier) to XHTML (versions 4 and later). it converted FrameMaker docs to an awful mess of Confluence 3 wiki markup and macros that rendered OK but was not editable.

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

2018-04-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
The HTML Macro doesn't really make much sense since the switch from wiki markup to XHTML in Confluence 4. It's disabled by default. In Confluence Server, you can install the Source Editor plugin and paste HTML. You can also copy rendered HTML in a browser and paste it in the regular Confluence

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

2018-04-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONFSERVER-39146 https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONFSERVER-39140 On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote: > 1. Word is the only supported import format. > 2. If you use the standard Heading1 etc. it can break things up i

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

2018-04-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
1. Word is the only supported import format. 2. If you use the standard Heading1 etc. it can break things up into topics, but subtopics will be sorted alphabetically. 3. Auto-numbered paragraphs are converted to literal text. 4. Cross-references are lost. It's bizarre to me that Atlassian doesn't

Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
"What's your favorite thing about FrameMaker templates?" is a good question, since templates per se don't exist, and advanced users have to figure out how to work around that. Also, the sample projects they used to include were produced by someone who didn't know to leave out the generated files.

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
Major limitation, you can't save a whole book to RTF, only an individual .fm file. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker by itself can't export to Word. You might get better Word output by linking a FrameMaker project to RoboHelp than by saving as PDF and then saving as Word from Acrobat. On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:57 AM, Carrie Baker wrote: > Thanks. > So you cannot enable the pdf

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker, which includes a subset of Acrobat and RoboHelp features, is $1000. The PDF settings let you specify the start page: https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2017/using/using-framemaker-2017/frm_generating_output/Configure_PDF_settings-.htm For $1700, you can get Adobe Technical

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