OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Steve Rickaby
I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Writer
: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread John Posada
Look at your license agreement...you dont own them now. On May 9, 2013 12:42 PM, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote: I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Alison Craig
To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - From: Steve Rickaby srick

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk To: framers

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread John Posada
...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Art Campbell
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Alison Craig
- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:26 AM To: John Posada Cc: Alison Craig; FrameUsers List Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have to agree with John, and last year I would have totally bet the other way

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Matt Sullivan
Also, SaaS and subscription are different concepts.SaaS (like SalesForce, Jira, BaseCamp, Web(prettymuchanything) and many others) are web portals where the computing occurs across a network.Subscription means that you confirm your ability to run the software installed on (and processed on) your

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Bill Swallow
It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name Creative Cloud (CC) is confusing but it's not web-only applications. You download and install them. I like this model for a few reasons: 1. Cheaper for multi-application users. Rather than buying one-off or a suite at a time, you get access to all

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:22 -0400 9/5/13, Bill Swallow wrote: I don't see this as being a bad thing. I see it as being different. Yup, but as soon as you stop paying, you lose access to all your content. That's a real big psychological barrier to bridge. I can see why a subscription model would appeal to

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Wickham
Unfortunately, it's not a rumor. They made a mistake calling the subscription CC, though. It should have been called FU. To paraphrase someone else's quote on one of the Adobe forums, It's like paying for air. Stop paying and everything stops. I've always upgraded my CS every version, even

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Bill Swallow
You don't lose your content. The files don't turn into pumpkins when you quit the subscription. Yes, you can't use the native files, but if you didn't plan a content migration knowing you'd be dropping the parent application, whose fault is that? As a consultant, the model is extremely

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Alan T Litchfield
Agreed to most, except the issue of backward compatibility. As it stands now, I can open old versions of files in old version of software because I have the applications. I don't know how this will be handled with the new software as it evolves. It will only take three years for this to be a

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Wickham
As for cars, leasing has been a huge business for a couple of decades. There's also a growing adoption of ride shares (pay for shared use of a car), and rentals still are thriving. Yes, but when they started leasing cars, they didn't remove the option to buy them! I'm not against leasing

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Steve Rickaby
I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Writer
I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - > From: Steve Rickaby > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM > Subject: OT: Corporate

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread John Posada
Look at your license agreement...you dont own them now. On May 9, 2013 12:42 PM, "Steve Rickaby" wrote: > I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in > future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? > > I do wonder whether the accountants

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Alison Craig
To: Steve Rickaby; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - > From: Steve Rick

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - > From: Steve Rickaby > To: framers at lists.frameuse

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread John Posada
mailto: > framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM > To: Steve Rickaby; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > > I was wondering when someone was goi

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Art Campbell
t;> Alison >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com >> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer >> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM >> To: Steve Rickaby; framers at lists.frameusers

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Alison Craig
- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:26 AM To: John Posada Cc: Alison Craig; FrameUsers List Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have to agree with John, and last year I would have totally bet the other way

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Matt Sullivan
uld ever go for the subscription model. >>> >>> Which means for many sole writers, it will be back to using Word! >>> >>> Alison >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com >>>

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Bill Swallow
It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name "Creative Cloud" (CC) is confusing but it's not web-only applications. You download and install them. I like this model for a few reasons: 1. Cheaper for multi-application users. Rather than buying one-off or a suite at a time, you get access to

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Wickham
Unfortunately, it's not a rumor. They made a mistake calling the subscription CC, though. It should have been called FU. To paraphrase someone else's quote on one of the Adobe forums, "It's like paying for air. Stop paying and everything stops." I've always upgraded my CS every version, even

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Bill Swallow
You don't lose your content. The files don't turn into pumpkins when you quit the subscription. Yes, you can't use the native files, but if you didn't plan a content migration knowing you'd be dropping the parent application, whose fault is that? As a consultant, the model is extremely

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread B2Streamlines/Bill & Bunny Kuhlman
Yes, Steve, it's true. There will be no CS7, just CC (Creative Cloud) apps. Single apps can be rented for $20/month, the entire suite is $50/month. There are first year discounts for some current users. CC requires that your computer get

FW: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Craig Ede
...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:59 AM To: Steve Rickaby Cc: FrameUsers List Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Look at your license agreement...you dont own them

FW: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Craig Ede
-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:05 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Writer; Steve Rickaby Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only It's not just

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-09 Thread Bethany Lee
at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name "Creative Cloud" (CC) is confusing but it's not web-only applications. You download and install them. I like this model for a few reasons: 1. Cheaper

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