Hi Venkan: I don't think it can be done. Adobe is on FrameMaker version 9, and they typically pull all the older versions off the shelves everywhere. Maybe you can get a second-hand copy on eBay, but I'm only speculating.
Fei Min -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Venkan Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:07 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Framers Digest, Vol 52, Issue 12 Hi Can anyone help how to buy the FrameMaker 7.2 License Version. Venkan Newgen Imaging Systems (P) Limited India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai (o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282 Email: venkates...@newgenimaging.com; Skype: venkan20 -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:30 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 52, Issue 12 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Benchmarking: Save as PDF in FM9 vs. FM8 (Yves Barbion) 2. Re: Benchmarking: Save as PDF in FM9 vs. FM8 (Art Campbell) 3. FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED] (mathieu jacquet) 4. Re: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED] (Peter Gold) 5. FM9 bug: Hyperlinks in *IOR.fm don't work (Yves Barbion) 6. RE: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED] (Combs, Richard) 7. FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 (Fei Min Lorente) 8. RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 (Jeff Coatsworth) 9. RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 (Pinkham, Jim) 10. Converting Rows to Headers (Howard Rauch) 11. Re: Converting Rows to Headers (Art Campbell) 12. Re: Converting Rows to Headers (Stuart Rogers) 13. RE: Converting Rows to Headers (Diane Gaskill) 14. Re: Converting Rows to Headers (Writer) 15. "below" building block in X-Refs (Jon Harvey) 16. RE: "below" building block in X-Refs (Rick Quatro) 17. RE: Converting Rows to Headers (Combs, Richard) 18. Re: "below" building block in X-Refs (Peter Gold) 19. RE: "below" building block in X-Refs (Fred Ridder) 20. Utilities for FM 8 (Joe Malin) 21. Re: FM 9 books (Ray Saffin) 22. Table Issues (George, Brenda (CAI)) 23. Re: Utilities for FM 8 (Art Campbell) 24. Re: Utilities for FM 8 (Scott Prentice) 25. Re: Utilities for FM 8 (Steve Rickaby) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:00:57 +0100 From: Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com> Subject: Benchmarking: Save as PDF in FM9 vs. FM8 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <2d78e7071002110600r465cd8d3t3dadbd4919798...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi group I've done the following test in FM9 and 8: save 74-page book as PDF. These are the results: FM9: Acrobat Distiller starts after: 1 min. 40 s PDF displayed in Acrobat after: 2 min. 59 s FM8: Acrobat Distiller starts after: 18 (!) s PDF displayed in Acrobat after: 1 min. 23 s I've tested this a couple of times and I got similar results. Does anyone have any idea why FM9 is so much slower? Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:05:57 -0500 From: Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Benchmarking: Save as PDF in FM9 vs. FM8 To: Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <c7d9dd601002110605o6af7843jd380cc7725060...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Because you're using SaveAs, which in FM 9 has it's own processes and job option switches. If you run each by printing to the Acrobat logical printer and select the same job options, I suspect the numbers will be comparable. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi group > > I've done the following test in FM9 and 8: save 74-page book as PDF. > These > are the results: > > FM9: > Acrobat Distiller starts after: 1 min. 40 s > PDF displayed in Acrobat after: 2 min. 59 s > > FM8: > Acrobat Distiller starts after: 18 (!) s > PDF displayed in Acrobat after: 1 min. 23 s > > I've tested this a couple of times and I got similar results. > > Does anyone have any idea why FM9 is so much slower? > > > > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:10:25 +0000 From: mathieu jacquet <bobi...@hotmail.com> Subject: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED] To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <snt112-w40855f82a08cd62fe6c62bb6...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, if ever you're experiencing similar problems, here is what the support replied: "Unfortunately, FrameMaker 9 is not certified to be supported on the 64-bit edition of Windows Vista. However, please find attached a technical note from our database. It will allow you to fix your problem. Please read http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/406/kb406893.html". Cheers, Mathieu. _________________________________________________________________ Tchattez en direct en en vid?o avec vos amis ! http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:47 -0600 From: Peter Gold <pe...@knowhowpro.com> Subject: Re: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED] To: mathieu jacquet <bobi...@hotmail.com> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <905e72991002110631q4b2462b5kdd134fd3fa4ff...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for the pointer, Mathieu. Just reading all the maintenance in the technote is exhausting. Performing all the steps could become one's new career. Aside from Adobe building 64-bit Windows Vista compatibility into FrameMaker 9, developing and offering a couple of utilities that report some of the system information that needs to be collected. For example, checking the OS version and patch level, RAM, disk free space, listing files in %temp%, currently-running applications, VRAM, video-card driver, etc, and reporting the information with comments where appropriate, such as "These resources don't meet requirements: (list them)." Regards, Peter _______________________ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM, mathieu jacquet <bobi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > if ever you're experiencing similar problems, here is what the support replied: > > "Unfortunately, FrameMaker 9 is not certified to be supported on the 64-bit edition of Windows Vista. However, please find attached a technical note from our database. It will allow you to fix your problem. Please read http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/406/kb406893.html". > > Cheers, > > Mathieu. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tchattez en direct en en vid?o avec vos amis ! > http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/ > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as pe...@knowhowpro.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/peter%40knowhowpro.c om > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:09 +0100 From: Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com> Subject: FM9 bug: Hyperlinks in *IOR.fm don't work To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <2d78e7071002110714x6b6d89caq3656d40993358...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi I'm using FM9 on Windows XP, SP3 I have generated an index of references (imported graphics), but when I click on one of the hyperlinked entries, FM9 is unable to show me the graphic on the respective page. I do see that the tab of the respective file (chapter) becomes active, but the page itself is not "brought to front". To see the page, I have to minimize the IOR window. I get the same behavior in the various workspaces. Is this a known UI bug? Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:28:07 -0700 From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.co...@polycom.com> Subject: RE: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED] To: <pe...@knowhowpro.com> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <2d6eb362bfb0cc4a95cc3fc0c2f19f86016b5...@wstexch03.westminster.polycom. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Peter Gold wrote: > Just reading all the maintenance in the technote is exhausting. > Performing all the steps could become one's new career. I think it's a pretty good troubleshooting guide, with much of it applicable to troubleshooting any software problem, not specific to FM. And as with any troubleshooting/diagnostic procedure, you continue only until you've identified the problem. So hopefully, you never have to perform _all_ the steps. :-) > Aside from Adobe building 64-bit Windows Vista compatibility into > FrameMaker 9, developing and offering a couple of utilities that > report some of the system information that needs to be collected. For > example, checking the OS version and patch level, RAM, disk free > space, listing files in %temp%, currently-running applications, VRAM, > video-card driver, etc, and reporting the information with comments > where appropriate, such as "These resources don't meet requirements: > (list them)." Virtually everything on that list is available in the System Information utility that you can access from the About box of an MS Office application. Alternatively, you can use one of the bazillion freeware/shareware sys info/diagnostic utilities available. There's no need for Adobe to add yet another to the pile. This is standard information about your system that a support tech would probably ask you for and that you should know or know how to find. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 ------ rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 ------ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:43 -0700 From: "Fei Min Lorente" <feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> Subject: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <f54ba5883027ff47897d4393b074ef7dc17...@namail.ad.onsemi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry for the re-question, but I simply can't find the old thread. I remember someone recently asking about producing PDFs using Acrobat 9, but they were still using FrameMaker 7.2. I think the answer was that Acrobat 9 doesn't support FrameMaker 7.2, but that FM 7.2 might be able to produce PDFs anyway, just not through Save As. Can someone please refresh my memory? I'm currently using FM 7.2 on Windows XP and Acrobat 6.0 Pro. I'm thinking we have to upgrade Acrobat to 9 Pro because I have to do online reviews that way. We are using FinalDraft, but now that the company has forced us to use IE8, the reviewers are experiencing problems with FinalDraft. Looks like it's time to move on. Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying the software to produce an online-reviewable document, but don't want to have to pay for the software for the reviewers. Most of them are structured documents, so I could export to XML, if that's any help. Fei Min ------------------------------------------------------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com/> ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:45:30 -0500 From: Jeff Coatsworth <jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <0ae969c68d4af4439600d9fa8feda02d052bbf1...@exchange.gjonas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For pulling shared PDF reviews back into the FM source docs, check out RJ Jacquez's blog posting of his demo. -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:32 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 Sorry for the re-question, but I simply can't find the old thread. I remember someone recently asking about producing PDFs using Acrobat 9, but they were still using FrameMaker 7.2. I think the answer was that Acrobat 9 doesn't support FrameMaker 7.2, but that FM 7.2 might be able to produce PDFs anyway, just not through Save As. Can someone please refresh my memory? I'm currently using FM 7.2 on Windows XP and Acrobat 6.0 Pro. I'm thinking we have to upgrade Acrobat to 9 Pro because I have to do online reviews that way. We are using FinalDraft, but now that the company has forced us to use IE8, the reviewers are experiencing problems with FinalDraft. Looks like it's time to move on. Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying the software to produce an online-reviewable document, but don't want to have to pay for the software for the reviewers. Most of them are structured documents, so I could export to XML, if that's any help. Fei Min ------------------------------------------------------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com/> ------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jo nass oftware.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:30:40 -0600 From: "Pinkham, Jim" <jim.pink...@voith.com> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 To: "Jeff Coatsworth" <jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <2bf7198089c96c438f66c74b3f43dd5e04f90...@apls0111.euro1.voith.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FWIW, Jeff, we've been using 7.1 with Acrobat 9 for months with no issues. -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:46 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 For pulling shared PDF reviews back into the FM source docs, check out RJ Jacquez's blog posting of his demo. -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:32 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 Sorry for the re-question, but I simply can't find the old thread. I remember someone recently asking about producing PDFs using Acrobat 9, but they were still using FrameMaker 7.2. I think the answer was that Acrobat 9 doesn't support FrameMaker 7.2, but that FM 7.2 might be able to produce PDFs anyway, just not through Save As. Can someone please refresh my memory? I'm currently using FM 7.2 on Windows XP and Acrobat 6.0 Pro. I'm thinking we have to upgrade Acrobat to 9 Pro because I have to do online reviews that way. We are using FinalDraft, but now that the company has forced us to use IE8, the reviewers are experiencing problems with FinalDraft. Looks like it's time to move on. Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying the software to produce an online-reviewable document, but don't want to have to pay for the software for the reviewers. Most of them are structured documents, so I could export to XML, if that's any help. Fei Min ------------------------------------------------------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com/> ------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jo nassoftware.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. 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Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:58:18 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Rauch <techtrans...@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Converting Rows to Headers To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <574480.84092...@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Frame 7.0 (my clients have not?caught up to FM9 yet) Windows XP Pro I have a number of multipage tables?for which I need to convert the first two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the only method I've found that works is to set up a new blank table?having two header rows?and then copy the original table into the new?one. It seems to me that with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows into header rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help and found it to be of no help in this regard. Howard Rauch ? Technology Transfer, Inc. "Linking Creators and Users of Technology" 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-1782 ????????920-629-0080 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:02:03 -0500 From: Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Converting Rows to Headers To: Howard Rauch <techtrans...@sbcglobal.net> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <c7d9dd601002110902qc475a31ib9b2ff660fd28...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You're missing Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug in, a great tool that does this conversion as well as a host of other table-related stuff. It's a critical piece of my tool kit... http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm If you have a herd of these to do, Rick could probably whip up a FrameScript that would do this at the book or directory level... Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Howard Rauch <techtrans...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Frame 7.0 (my clients have not?caught up to FM9 yet) > Windows XP Pro > > I have a number of multipage tables?for which I need to convert the > first two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the only method I've found that works is to set up a new blank table?having two header rows?and then copy the original table into the new?one. It seems to me that with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows into header rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help and found it to be of no help in this regard. > > Howard Rauch > > Technology Transfer, Inc. > "Linking Creators and Users of Technology" > 933 North 18th Street > Manitowoc WI 54220 > Office: 920-682-1528 > Cell: 920-629-1782 > ????????920-629-0080 > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:09:10 -0500 From: Stuart Rogers <srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com> Subject: Re: Converting Rows to Headers To: framers@lists.frameusers.com, "techtrans...@sbcglobal.net >> Howard Rauch" <techtrans...@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4b7439b6.2060...@phoenix-geophysics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 11/02/2010 11:58 AM, Howard Rauch wrote: > Frame 7.0 (my clients have not caught up to FM9 yet) Windows XP Pro > > I have a number of multipage tables for which I need to convert the > first two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the > only method I've found that works is to set up a new blank table > having two header rows and then copy the original table into the new > one. It seems to me that with its power, FM could easily convert body > rows into header rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help and > found it to be of no help in this regard. > Table > Add Rows or Columns Add 2 rows To Heading Cut your first two body rows (Remove Cells from Table) and Paste them into the Heading rows (Replace Current Rows). You may have to apply pgf tags to the Heading cells after this operation. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises." Buzz Aldrin (1930 - ) ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:14:09 -0800 From: "Diane Gaskill" <dgcal...@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Converting Rows to Headers To: "Howard Rauch" <techtrans...@sbcglobal.net>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <faehioaefnbllolbibcfaeaichaa.dgcal...@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a much faster and easier way to do what you are doing. Use the tablecleaner plugin from Rick Quatro. Works like a champ, believe me. We're converting some legacy docs from mewierd to structured FM. I cleaned up 100 tables in a 400 page manual, (including changing body rows to heading rows in about 30 seconds. Cleans up all the text problems too. However, it doesn't take the text string that word uses for table headings and move it into the table title field in an FM table. (Hey, Rick, are you listening? :-) Not sure of the price now, but I think I paid $60. ROI: 30 seconds. I cannot imagine how long it would have taken me to do all that manually. Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data systems ============================ -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]on Behalf Of Howard Rauch Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:58 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Converting Rows to Headers Frame 7.0 (my clients have not?caught up to FM9 yet) Windows XP Pro I have a number of multipage tables?for which I need to convert the first two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the only method I've found that works is to set up a new blank table?having two header rows?and then copy the original table into the new?one. It seems to me that with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows into header rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help and found it to be of no help in this regard. Howard Rauch ? Technology Transfer, Inc. "Linking Creators and Users of Technology" 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-1782 ????????920-629-0080 _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcal...@earthlink.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink .net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:41:01 -0800 (PST) From: Writer <generic...@yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: Converting Rows to Headers To: framers@lists.frameusers.com, Howard Rauch <techtrans...@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <579811.36385...@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have found that tables have never been FM's strong point. What I find especially annoying is the inability to split rows across pages. Nadine > It seems to > me that with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows > into header rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help > and found it to be of no help in this regard. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:48:45 -0500 From: "Jon Harvey" <jhar...@cambridgesoft.com> Subject: "below" building block in X-Refs To: "FrameUsers List" <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <454ae9bb48ee394bb56b1719e53e214d0b216...@exchange2.camsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (FM 9.0, XP Pro) Everyone, I'm trying to figure out a way to create an X-Ref format that says "See 'Dogs' {or whatever} below" if the X-Ref and the target 'Dogs' are both on the same page. I'd like FM to recognize that they are on the same page so that, if 'Dogs' moves to the next page, the X-Ref automatically adjusts to read "See 'Dogs' on page xx". Is there any way to do this without creating two X-Ref style and manually changing from one to the other? Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:53:12 -0500 From: "Rick Quatro" <r...@rickquatro.com> Subject: RE: "below" building block in X-Refs To: "'Jon Harvey'" <jhar...@cambridgesoft.com>, "'FrameUsers List'" <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <00af01caab43$16396860$42ac39...@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Jon, There is no way to do this with stock FrameMaker, but this could be done with a FrameScript script. If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jon Harvey Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:49 PM To: FrameUsers List Subject: "below" building block in X-Refs (FM 9.0, XP Pro) Everyone, I'm trying to figure out a way to create an X-Ref format that says "See 'Dogs' {or whatever} below" if the X-Ref and the target 'Dogs' are both on the same page. I'd like FM to recognize that they are on the same page so that, if 'Dogs' moves to the next page, the X-Ref automatically adjusts to read "See 'Dogs' on page xx". Is there any way to do this without creating two X-Ref style and manually changing from one to the other? Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:00:45 -0700 From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.co...@polycom.com> Subject: RE: Converting Rows to Headers To: "Howard Rauch" <techtrans...@sbcglobal.net>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <2d6eb362bfb0cc4a95cc3fc0c2f19f86016b5...@wstexch03.westminster.polycom. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Howard Rauch wrote: > I have a number of multipage tables?for which I need to convert the > first > two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the only > method > I've found that works is to set up a new blank table?having two header > rows?and then copy the original table into the new?one. It seems to me that > with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows into header rows. Am > I > missing something? I've checked Help and found it to be of no help in > this > regard. Just to reinforce the message you've been getting, I'll add another enthusiastic endorsement of Rick Quatro's TableCleaner. My ROI period was longer than Diane's -- maybe as much as half an hour. But even without a big Word-to-FM conversion project (for which it's indispensable), the argument for TableCleaner is compelling. FWIW, I disagree with Nadine. I generally like FM's table functionality (better than Word's), and _not_ splitting rows across pages is one of the things I really like. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 ------ rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 ------ ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:06:24 -0600 From: Peter Gold <pe...@knowhowpro.com> Subject: Re: "below" building block in X-Refs To: Jon Harvey <jhar...@cambridgesoft.com>, r...@frameexpert.com Cc: FrameUsers List <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <905e72991002111006p66224221r763534c58d714...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As Rick said, not in stock FrameMaker, nor in stock InDesign CS4 the first release with built-in cross-references. There is a commercial InDesign cross-references plug-in from dtptools.com that offers "this page," "opposite page," "next page," and some other options. I'm not suggesting that you drop FrameMaker for InDesign for this one feature. But, I thought Rick might get some ideas from the plug-in's info page that could develop into a FrameMaker plug-in. HTH Regards, Peter _______________________ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jon Harvey <jhar...@cambridgesoft.com> wrote: > (FM 9.0, XP Pro) > > > > Everyone, > > > > I'm trying to figure out a way to create an X-Ref format that says > "See > 'Dogs' {or whatever} below" if the X-Ref and the target 'Dogs' are > both > on the same page. I'd like FM to recognize that they are on the same > page so that, if 'Dogs' moves to the next page, the X-Ref > automatically > adjusts to read "See 'Dogs' on page xx". ?Is there any way to do this > without creating two X-Ref style and manually changing from one to the > other? > > > > > > Jon Harvey > > Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation > > CambridgeSoft Corporation > > 100 CambridgePark Drive > > Cambridge, MA 02140 > > (617) 588-9354 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as pe...@knowhowpro.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/peter%40knowhowpro.c om > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:19:47 -0500 From: Fred Ridder <docu...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: "below" building block in X-Refs To: <jhar...@cambridgesoft.com>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <snt117-w4752b4daf2833fb6e6390eba...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jon Harvey wrote: > I'm trying to figure out a way to create an X-Ref format that says > "See > 'Dogs' {or whatever} below" if the X-Ref and the target 'Dogs' are > both > on the same page. I'd like FM to recognize that they are on the same > page so that, if 'Dogs' moves to the next page, the X-Ref > automatically > adjusts to read "See 'Dogs' on page xx". Is there any way to do this > without creating two X-Ref style and manually changing from one to the > other? Do you really feel that this adds significant value to your docs? At each of the last four companies I've worked for, the trend was to reduce or eliminate this kind of "geographic" cue. But maybe that would have been different if numbered headings, captions, and table titles hadn't been the house style in each case... -Fred Ridder ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:54:51 -0800 From: Joe Malin <jma...@jmalin.com> Subject: Utilities for FM 8 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <4d420c1e1002101954u624f9fe1mecbcb49a420b8...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi! After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) again for a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and documents, I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all the utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc. I'm looking for tools that will automatically copy formats, layouts, master pages, reference pages, etc. from an existing document to a new one. Is there a site somewhere that has a list of sources? Joe Malin ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:01:39 +0000 From: Ray Saffin <rsaf...@serena.com> Subject: Re: FM 9 books To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <82cff2061002110201r169ea6c3uf26fc604d2ab0...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In TCS2 there is a User Guide PDF (UserGuide.pdf) for FrameMaker 9 that gets installed in: C:\Program Files\Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2\Adobe FrameMaker 9\Documents This may be a good starting point. > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:41:33 -0700 > From: "Linda G. Gallagher" <lin...@techcomplus.com> > Subject: FM 9 books > To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Message-ID: <001801caaaaa$94af9e60$64000...@lindadelldec06> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Framers, > > Does anyone know of any FM 9 books, aside from the Classroom in a Book? > It's > the only thing I've found that is just FM 9. (I know about Icon > Logic's TCS > 2 book, but that does not fit my need.) > > Has anyone used the Classroom in a Book for FM 9? I just requested a review > copy, but I'm not sure when I'll receive it. I'd like to know what > you've > thought of it for teaching FM 9. > > Thanks! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > RMIMA Membership Manager > www.RMIMA.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:20:17 -0500 From: "George, Brenda (CAI)" <bgeo...@federatedinv.com> Subject: Table Issues To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <c3b28010d9548040ab00a1677f42fd170d51a...@pwegm02exc.federatedinv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am importing an XML file into Structured FrameMaker that contains a table. The table is being imported into a 2-column text box. The table needs to stretch across both columns within the text box. When I import the table it is stretching beyond the text box. How do I format the table so that it imports across both columns, but does not stretch beyond the text box? Brenda George Desk: (724) 720-8491 bgeo...@federatedinv.com ----------------------------------------- Unless notified to the contrary by the sender, the recipient should consider the contents of this message including any attachments to be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please contact Federated Investors immediately by forwarding this email to not...@federatedinv.com and then delete this message from your system. Saving, copying or disseminating an inadvertently received email could violate state and Federal privacy laws. All emails received by or sent from Federated may be provided to regulators or law enforcement agencies, or used for other purposes consistent with Federated's business interests. Thank you for your cooperation. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:28:24 -0500 From: Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Utilities for FM 8 To: Joe Malin <jma...@jmalin.com> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <c7d9dd601002111528o5926f82amdbc04e1f34315...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You can use CleanImport, a plug-in to purge the target doc's catalogs and then to import the new settings from your source. If you don't care about cleaning out the existing entries, just use File > Import Formats in your target. This is additive, so any existing tags / variables / settings will remain in place. If the source file has the same tag / variable names, the new settings will be imported. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Joe Malin <jma...@jmalin.com> wrote: > Hi! > > After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) > again for > a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and documents, > I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all > the > utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc. > > I'm looking for tools that will automatically copy formats, layouts, master > pages, reference pages, etc. from an existing document to a new one. > Is > there a site somewhere that has a list of sources? > > Joe Malin > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:48:21 -0800 From: Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> Subject: Re: Utilities for FM 8 To: Joe Malin <jma...@jmalin.com> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <4b749745.8000...@leximation.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My ToolSearch database lists all of the FM plugins that I'm aware of (plus other things) .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Joe Malin wrote: > Hi! > > After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) > again for > a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and documents, > I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all > the > utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc. > > I'm looking for tools that will automatically copy formats, layouts, master > pages, reference pages, etc. from an existing document to a new one. > Is > there a site somewhere that has a list of sources? > > Joe Malin > > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:58:50 +0000 From: Steve Rickaby <srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Utilities for FM 8 To: Joe Malin <jma...@jmalin.com>, framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <p06240802c79aba44a...@[192.168.0.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 19:54 -0800 10/2/10, Joe Malin wrote: >After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) >again for >a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and documents, >I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all >the >utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc. In addition to the advice of others, the site you're specifically looking for is probably <http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com>. -- Steve ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of Framers Digest, Vol 52, Issue 12 *************************************** _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. 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