Re: Indexing

[Steve Rickaby]

At 12:18 +0200 30/4/06, Patricia Carmel wrote:

How do I add a See also  to a generated index?  I could add it
manually but I'd prefer to automate as much as possible. Is it possible?

Perfectly possible, Patricia...

$nopageThing:See EmphasisOtherThingDefault Para Font[Thing:zzz]

The [Thing:zzz], er..., thing puts the 'See also' entry at the end of Thing's 
entries, and the $nopage turns off the page number.

Lots of other permutations are possible.
-- 
Steve
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RE: Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[Steve Rickaby]

At 20:12 -0700 29/4/06, Dov Isaacs wrote:

That piece is total and ridiculous speculation on his part.

Of course it is - Cringley is paid to do just that. It's load of fun, too.

And it just won't happen! A very large number of Adobe employees would refuse 
to work in tyrannical, cultish environment encouraged by Apple's management.

Would that make any difference? If there is any truth in the rumor at all [and 
no, I don't believe it either], it would be the products Apple was after. Sorry 
Dov.

It doesn't just give me the warm fuzzies, but the pink wibblies too, with a 
good bit of perspiration thrown in.

And didn't I remember reading somewhere that Apple's cash mountain is now so 
large that it's had to set up a company in Reno just to look after it? $8 
billion or thereabouts. Name of 'Braeburn' [or maybe that was an April 1 piece 
and I didn't notice the date]. If they moved on Adobe, they could have 'Golden 
Delicious' too.
-- 
Steve
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Re: Indexing

[Shlomo Perets]

Adding to Steve Rickaby's reply:

* I suggest using / instead of Default Para Font

* Additional building blocks/issues are mentioned in 
http://www.microtype.com/resources/BBindexmarker.pdf (FrameMaker Building 
Blocks series)


* If you produce an interactive PDF, visit 
http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/IndexRef/indexref.htm for information 
about a plug-in that helps fix the links created by See Also references.



Shlomo Perets

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RE: Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[Bruce Wolf]

--- Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A very large number of Adobe employees would refuse
to work in tyrannical, cultish environment encouraged
by Apple's management.
 

I don't work for Adobe or Apple.  I do enjoy getting a
paycheck.  My hunch is most Adobe employees enjoy
getting a paycheck.

Just what would you and the other freedom fighters
do Dov if Apple bought Adobe?  Resign en masse and
jump to one of the plentiful jobs out there in the
marketplace?  Stay and conduct guerrilla warfare from
inside the company?

Perhaps you won't be given the chance to stay.  There
would likely be a large number of pink slips handed
out, and certainly a renegade who writes easily
accessed emails would be handed one.

You've been a great friend to everyone on this list,
Dov.  Take care.

BW

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Re: Indexing

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:55:35 -0700, Shlomo Perets [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

* If you produce an interactive PDF, visit 
http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/IndexRef/indexref.htm 
for information about a plug-in that helps fix the links 
created by See Also references.

I'll second Shlomo's recommendation of IndexRef.  It
makes the See/See also refs in the index into hyperlinks
within the index, meaning you can use them in Frame as
well as in PDF.  And when you convert the Frame files
to Word (or HTML) with Mif2Go, we preserve those links.
Don't know if WWP does too (for HTML), but it should.

If you don't use IndexRef, you get either no links at
all for See/See also, or, worse, links to the place in 
the text where you have the marker that created the
entry, a definite huh? moment for your readers.

Fortunately IndexRef is inexpensive, only $25.  And
Ian's tech support is very, very good.  Like Shlomo's.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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RE: Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[quills]

At 12:09 PM +0100 4/30/06, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 20:12 -0700 29/4/06, Dov Isaacs wrote:


That piece is total and ridiculous speculation on his part.


Of course it is - Cringley is paid to do just that. It's load of fun, too.

And it just won't happen! A very large number of Adobe employees 
would refuse to work in tyrannical, cultish environment encouraged 
by Apple's management.


Would that make any difference? If there is any truth in the rumor 
at all [and no, I don't believe it either], it would be the products 
Apple was after. Sorry Dov.



Besides, most corporations are tyrannical and cultish. So what is the problem?

; )

Scott
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RE: Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[Diane Gaskill]

I'd say an extremely long shot, if at all.  I would be surprised if Adobe
ever sells out to anyone.  Adobe is considerably more than self-sufficient,
and I cannot see any business reasons for them to do so.

- Diane

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Subject: Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!


Cringley has been really out on a limb the last two or three weeks, but I'd
love to see this one come to pass. Apple buying Adobe would be a great
thing. Lots of publicly available information supports Cringley's
speculations, but it still seems like a long shot.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060427.html

Imagine this office suite
FrameMaker (unstructured version)
spreadsheet as yet unknown, but maybe adapted from AppleWorks
Keynote
FileMaker Pro
Acrobat suite (with Flash)

One gets the warm fuzzies.

- web
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the 2 maker.ini files

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

I'm confused. If I make a change to the maker.ini file in C:\Program 
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0, do I also need to make the same change to the copy 
in C:\Documents and Settings\rebeccao\Application Data\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.0?

I read Adobe's tech note http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/327344.html 
which suggested I do have to change both, but in the past I haven't. The 
changes I've made in the past work, but they aren't in the Documents and 
Settings copy. My Documents and Settings copy has far fewer entries in it than 
my Program Files copy.

The reason I'm asking is because I want to change the EPSLevelForPlacedPDF and 
I won't be able to tell immediately whether that's actually had any effect. :-(

So should I change both, or just ignore the Documents and Settings copy?

Thanks heaps! 
Rebecca

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Indexing

[Patricia Carmel]

 Hi Everyone,

How do I add a See also  to a generated index?  I could add it
manually but I'd prefer to automate as much as possible. Is it possible?

Regards,

Patricia



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Indexing

[Steve Rickaby]

At 12:18 +0200 30/4/06, Patricia Carmel wrote:

>How do I add a See also  to a generated index?  I could add it
>manually but I'd prefer to automate as much as possible. Is it possible?

Perfectly possible, Patricia...

<$nopage>Thing:See OtherThing[Thing:zzz]

The [Thing:zzz], er..., thing puts the 'See also' entry at the end of Thing's 
entries, and the <$nopage> turns off the page number.

Lots of other permutations are possible.
-- 
Steve

Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[Steve Rickaby]

At 20:12 -0700 29/4/06, Dov Isaacs wrote:

>That piece is total and ridiculous speculation on his part.

Of course it is - Cringley is paid to do just that. It's load of fun, too.

>And it just won't happen! A very large number of Adobe employees would refuse 
>to work in tyrannical, cultish environment encouraged by Apple's management.

Would that make any difference? If there is any truth in the rumor at all [and 
no, I don't believe it either], it would be the products Apple was after. Sorry 
Dov.

It doesn't just give me the warm fuzzies, but the pink wibblies too, with a 
good bit of perspiration thrown in.

And didn't I remember reading somewhere that Apple's cash mountain is now so 
large that it's had to set up a company in Reno just to look after it? $8 
billion or thereabouts. Name of 'Braeburn' [or maybe that was an April 1 piece 
and I didn't notice the date]. If they moved on Adobe, they could have 'Golden 
Delicious' too.
-- 
Steve

Indexing

[Shlomo Perets]

Adding to Steve Rickaby's reply:

* I suggest using  instead of 

* Additional building blocks/issues are mentioned in 
http://www.microtype.com/resources/BBindexmarker.pdf (FrameMaker Building 
Blocks series)

* If you produce an interactive PDF, visit 
http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/IndexRef/indexref.htm for information 
about a plug-in that helps fix the links created by See Also references.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[Bruce Wolf]

--- Dov Isaacs  wrote:
"A very large number of Adobe employees would refuse
to work in tyrannical, cultish environment encouraged
by Apple's management."


I don't work for Adobe or Apple.  I do enjoy getting a
paycheck.  My hunch is most Adobe employees enjoy
getting a paycheck.

Just what would you and the other "freedom fighters"
do Dov if Apple bought Adobe?  Resign en masse and
jump to one of the plentiful jobs out there in the
marketplace?  Stay and conduct guerrilla warfare from
inside the company?

Perhaps you won't be given the chance to stay.  There
would likely be a large number of pink slips handed
out, and certainly a "renegade" who writes easily
accessed emails would be handed one.

You've been a great friend to everyone on this list,
Dov.  Take care.

BW

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MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Shlomo Perets]

Paul,

You wrote:

>>The PDF "e-book" that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd
>>edition, is this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com.
>>Authored with FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link
>>(which happens to be a bad link), see
>>http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html
>
>You certainly have a point there, Shlomo, but the PDF version is a
>godsend to Mac and UNIX users. In fact, I'm out of the office traveling
>in Japan right now and was able to look something up about check boxes
>thanks to the PDF.
>
>Personally, I've always preferred Apple's Publications Style Guide but
>follow the MS way if I believe the consistency will help users.
>
>Apple updated its guide in January.
>APStyleGuide/AppleStyleGuide2006.pdf>
>
>Incidentally, my mate Bruce insists that "Microsoft Manual of Style" is
>an oxymoron ;-)

I don't have a problem with using a cross-platform PDF as opposed to a 
Windows-specific CHM (available previously for the Microsoft Manual of 
Style).  And I definitely prefer having a "zero-links PDF" than not having 
one at all.

I strongly disagree with the approach that effectively says "we'll just 
save the manual as PDF and thus we'll have an e-book ready for shipping... 
linking is nice to have, but perhaps in a future version".

I had a brief look in the updated Apple style guide. From the linking point 
of view, it is in the same class as the Microsoft guide. What could be more 
basic in such an "e-book" reference than to have the entries following 
"See" and "See slso" properly linked to the target (rather than force you 
to locate that target yourself)?

Unfortunately, the "standard" set by the PDFs offered from many major 
companies [Adobe included; several entries in the Hmmm corner point to 
several PDFs provided with FM/Acrobat products] propagates in all 
directions: "if this is good enough for <>, then why couldn't it be 
good enough for us"?


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Indexing

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:55:35 -0700, Shlomo Perets  
wrote:

>* If you produce an interactive PDF, visit 
>http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/IndexRef/indexref.htm 
>for information about a plug-in that helps fix the links 
>created by See Also references.

I'll second Shlomo's recommendation of IndexRef.  It
makes the See/See also refs in the index into hyperlinks
within the index, meaning you can use them in Frame as
well as in PDF.  And when you convert the Frame files
to Word (or HTML) with Mif2Go, we preserve those links.
Don't know if WWP does too (for HTML), but it should.

If you don't use IndexRef, you get either no links at
all for See/See also, or, worse, links to the place in 
the text where you have the marker that created the
entry, a definite "huh?" moment for your readers.

Fortunately IndexRef is inexpensive, only $25.  And
Ian's tech support is very, very good.  Like Shlomo's.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[qui...@airmail.net]

At 12:09 PM +0100 4/30/06, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>At 20:12 -0700 29/4/06, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
>>That piece is total and ridiculous speculation on his part.
>
>Of course it is - Cringley is paid to do just that. It's load of fun, too.
>
>>And it just won't happen! A very large number of Adobe employees 
>>would refuse to work in tyrannical, cultish environment encouraged 
>>by Apple's management.
>
>Would that make any difference? If there is any truth in the rumor 
>at all [and no, I don't believe it either], it would be the products 
>Apple was after. Sorry Dov.


Besides, most corporations are tyrannical and cultish. So what is the problem?

; )

Scott

Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[Diane Gaskill]

I'd say an extremely long shot, if at all.  I would be surprised if Adobe
ever sells out to anyone.  Adobe is considerably more than self-sufficient,
and I cannot see any business reasons for them to do so.

- Diane

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[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Bill Briggs
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:08 PM
To: List, Framers
Subject: Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!


Cringley has been really out on a limb the last two or three weeks, but I'd
love to see this one come to pass. Apple buying Adobe would be a great
thing. Lots of publicly available information supports Cringley's
speculations, but it still seems like a long shot.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060427.html

Imagine this office suite
FrameMaker (unstructured version)
spreadsheet as yet unknown, but maybe adapted from AppleWorks
Keynote
FileMaker Pro
Acrobat suite (with Flash)

One gets the warm fuzzies.

- web
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