Re: Problem with sequence in the Table of Contents (tables and following text)

[Shlomo Perets]

Terri,

You wrote:

Running non-structured FM 7.2 on Windows XP.
...The last two rows of the table flow to share a page with text. Each
row has the Report Name paragraph tag for the TOC.

The first paragraph after the table is tagged Heading 1.

When I generate the TOC, all of the Report Names on pages 1-7 list in
correct sequence.
The last two Report names (page 8) come after the page 8 Heading 1,
even though they appear on the page above the Heading 1.

Everything is in Flow A. I can't find any table or paragraph overrides.

If I force the page 8 Heading 1 to a new page, the generated TOC
sequence is correct.
If I really tweak the table so the last rows don't share a page with
the following text, the generated TOC sequence is correct.


The incorrect order is not related to overrides or multiple flows. When 
FrameMaker creates the TOC, it first looks at regular paragraph content on 
the page, and then at table content. This applies to FM8 as well.
(Interestingly, PDF bookmarks are retrieved in the right order.)

With a mix of table and non-table content on the same page, retrieved into 
TOC, I'm afraid that the only workaround is to force the heading after the 
table to start on a new page. (If this is an ongoing issue, you may 
experiment with non-table layouts, eg with side heads).


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RE: An error occurred while printing.

[Phil Heron]

Nina,

Does the folder name have a punctuation character in it by any chance?

There's an ancient known problem with FrameMaker in that it can't print to a 
folder with a punctuation character.

Phil Heron

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Subject: An error occurred while printing.

I am in Framemaker 7.2 and am trying to print to PDF. Generally I have
no problem doing this, but today I am getting the message An error
occurred while printing. I haven't changed any settings since the last
time I printed to PDF (either last Friday or Saturday), so I'm stumped
as to what might be causing the error. I know this is a very general
question, but I've already tried closing and opening Framemaker,
restarting the computer, etc. Any ideas?



Thanks!



Nina Rogers, Technical Writer

Tax Development (Federal)

Drake Software

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Re: Two-column layout and large graphics

[Mike Wickham]

I do something similar, but use a single-cell table with a table title 
above
 or below. That way I have more accurate control over the Gap, as well as
 placing the title above or below.

D'oh! It turns out that that is what I do, too. I wrote my original message 
from memory and I remembered it wrong. I don't use a two-cell table-- though 
it would work. I use a one-cell table to hold the graphic and use the table 
title to hold the caption. It works great.

Mike Wickham


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 To: Linda G. Gallagher; 'Framer's List'
 Subject: Re: Two-column layout and large graphics

 I'm not seeing a way to keep
 the caption paragraph with the anchored frame as it moves to the top or
 bottom of the page.

 Create a two-cell table format and use it for captioned graphics. Assign
 your graphic anchor paragraph format to the top cell and your caption
 paragraph format to the bottom cell. Insert the table wherever you want a
 graphic. Then import the graphic into the top cell and the type the 
 caption
 text into the bottom cell. They'll move together.

 You can take it a step further with the Autotext plugin from Silicon 
 Prairie

 Software. It lets you create a text block that would also include the 
 empty
 paragraph that holds the two-cell table. You can pop it all in with a menu
 click, instead of creating the table anchor paragraph and inserting the
 table separately.

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Re: Commas in paragraph tags

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Okay, now I tried it and it does not work with the backslash.

It will not help you, but the pgf format name is not well chosen  
anyway: Using H2 Heading2 would have anabled easy access to the  
format using the Ctrl+9 (or F9) shortcut to select pgf formats from  
the status area. But of course, the original designer would have  
chosen H2, Heading2... :-(

There are plug-ins and solutions available to change pgf format names  
for documents and books in a batch process.

Sorry,

- Michael


Am 27.10.2008 um 17:47 schrieb Michael Müller-Hillebrand:

 Have you tried putting a backslash in front of the comma to 'escape'
 the special function fo the entry separator?

 - Michael

 Am 27.10.2008 um 16:56 schrieb Charles Beck:

 Esteemed Framers,

 I have a problem I am hoping someone can help me solve. I have
 searched
 the Frame documentation to no avail. I do not have time to search
 through all the archives for this list; so please forgive if the
 info is
 there (which I rather doubt).

 I have a set of templates that I inherited. I want to use the
 Heading 2
 paragraph style in a running header. Unfortunately, the paragraph
 style
 is actually named Heading 2,H2, which confuses FrameMaker when
 encountered in a system variable paragraph tag $paratext[Heading
 2,H2]. Frame thinks it is a multiple style reference because of the
 comma. That much I have learned from the documentation.

 The question is, short of renaming the paragraph style (which is not
 really an option for us), is there any way to get Frame to recognized
 this as a single paragraph style in a paragraph tag for a running
 header?

 Please reply to me directly, as I am on digest.

 TIA for whatever help anyone can give me!

 Chuck Beck

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RE: MadCap Flare

[Robert Partridge]

I'll give my 2c as well. We were using Frame with WWP and having no end
of headaches with it. Builds were scriptable but not repeatable. It took
ages to build our online help system. Having had a look at our
documentation we realised that print was a secondary issue and that our
prime deliverable was online help. So we looked at help tools. We looked
at MIF2GO as a stopgap and although it would do the job better than WWP
we shied away from it as Frame really isn't a help authoring tool. 

Flare was head of our list, but we also looked at XDK, XML utlities,
Robohelp and others. We opted to go with Flare in the end as being the
most forward looking of the tools. A year ago the PDF output from Flare
was flaky and via either Word or Frame. Now they've added PDF direct
from Flare and I have to say the templating and page layout system is
pretty good. Flare has issues, as do all tools. I think Flare has fewer
and they are being addressed and new functionality being added all the
time. 

If your main deliverable is online help, I'd say stop beating yourself
up using a page layout tool to write help and switch to Flare. It does a
great job for help (we use it for HTML Help) and does a good job for PDF
output. If your main deliverable is print media, I'd stick with Frame
and look at using MIF2GO for online output. 

Contact me offline if you want more info.

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Standard tags for technical templates

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, everyone. I have inherited a template that is fairly well made, but 
has some problems. Before I work on it, I thought I would see if you 
know of any standards for  paragraph and character tag names.

For example, the current template uses these paragraph tag names:

S
S1
S+

Both S1 is for Step 1; S and S+ act as Step +. (I don't know why there 
are two tags that appear to have  the same function. A mistake? Or am I 
missing something?)

Is there a resource that offers well-considered advice on good, standard 
tag names?

I would probably name these tags Step 1 and Step + -- but that's just 
me. Maybe there's a better idea out there.

If there were suggested standard tag names for technical manuals, we 
would all spend less time getting up to speed on legacy templates.

If you know of a resource, I will be glad to hear of it.

Oh -- I'm using Framemaker 7.1. Out of curiosity, does Adobe yet include 
a user guide template in its standard templates?

--Nancy
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RE: Reasons for using graphic and table anchor tags

[DeRosier, Edward]

Hi Linda
 
In a previous company, I used a special anchor tag with graphics to
facilitate conversion of FrameMaker files to HTML, in order to match the
company style guide.
 
In my current company, I am doing the same thing for the same reason,
although the anchor tag has different design specifications.
 
In both companies, I was instrumental in encouraging the style control
group to design the anchor tag with very small font size and little or
no space above and below the paragraph.  The reason for this is that
some documents use the same template but have different purposes that do
not require anchoring a figure or table to a separate paragraph.
 
When a frame can be anchored to a body paragraph or to its own separate
paragraph tag, one may sometimes need to conserve line space.  The best
way to conserve line space is to put the frame anchor at the end of an
existing paragraph.  This may force the entire paragraph to the next
page.  Sometimes that is not desirable.  In order to minimize the use of
space on the new page (upon which the anchored frame is the top
element), an anchor tag can be designed to take up minimum space.
 
Summary:
1. To separate graphics or tables from other paragraph elements for
conversion to HTML or for other design purposes
2. To minimize the space required around an anchored frame
 
Ed DeRosier
Technical Writer
Anritsu Company
 
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Removing whitespaces from an xml file

[Salvador.SorianoJr]

Hello everyone!

My problem is this, I'm opening xml files into framemaker, with of course my 
created dtd everything seems alright but then when I look into its structure 
view, these whitespaces appears to be an error. 

How then could I possibly erase or removed these whitespaces upon opening it 
to my framemaker?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

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Research and Development

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RE: Reasons for using graphic and table anchor tags

[Flato, Gillian]

If you are using your Frame files to build help files, you have to use
Graphic and Table anchor tags, otherwise, you have no control over your
graphics and tables and they get skewed in the help file. With graphic
and table anchor tags, you can control them in Style Settings (at least
with ePub, I don't know Robohelp).  

-Gillian


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Subject: RE: Reasons for using graphic and table anchor tags

Hi Linda
 
In a previous company, I used a special anchor tag with graphics to
facilitate conversion of FrameMaker files to HTML, in order to match the
company style guide.
 
In my current company, I am doing the same thing for the same reason,
although the anchor tag has different design specifications.
 
In both companies, I was instrumental in encouraging the style control
group to design the anchor tag with very small font size and little or
no space above and below the paragraph.  The reason for this is that
some documents use the same template but have different purposes that do
not require anchoring a figure or table to a separate paragraph.
 
When a frame can be anchored to a body paragraph or to its own separate
paragraph tag, one may sometimes need to conserve line space.  The best
way to conserve line space is to put the frame anchor at the end of an
existing paragraph.  This may force the entire paragraph to the next
page.  Sometimes that is not desirable.  In order to minimize the use of
space on the new page (upon which the anchored frame is the top
element), an anchor tag can be designed to take up minimum space.
 
Summary:
1. To separate graphics or tables from other paragraph elements for
conversion to HTML or for other design purposes
2. To minimize the space required around an anchored frame
 
Ed DeRosier
Technical Writer
Anritsu Company
 
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RE: Commas in paragraph tags

[Combs, Richard]

Michael Müller-Hillebrand wrote: 
 
 It will not help you, but the pgf format name is not well chosen
 anyway: Using H2 Heading2 would have anabled easy access to the
 format using the Ctrl+9 (or F9) shortcut to select pgf formats from
 the status area. But of course, the original designer would have
 chosen H2, Heading2... :-(

I agree that the name isn't well chosen. But I don't think the H2 Heading2 
convention is particularly helpful. 

When you use F9 to apply pgf tags (or F8 for char tags), you can cycle through 
the tags beginning with a letter by pressing it repeatedly. Assuming that 
Heading1 is the first pgf in the catalog beginning with H, you can apply it by 
pressing F9 h Enter. To apply Heading2, press F9 h h Enter; Heading3, F9 h 
h h Enter; etc. 

Very little is gained (at least for the first few headings) by adding an 
H1/H2/H3/... prefix. And if other tags begin with H, you lose the ability to 
find all headings and only headings by searching for Head* (with Whole Word and 
Use Wildcards selected. 

When designing a template, you can make keyboard tagging much easier by giving 
some thought to your tag names. For instance, don't name anything to come 
before Body (that way, F9 Enter applies it), start only your heading tags 
with H, and avoid having too many tags begin with the same letter. 

IMHO, YMMV, etc. 

Richard


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Re: Commas in paragraph tags

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Charles:

You can rename paragraph formats across a book's files using only FM's
tools, this way:

* Before proceeding, from the book window, perform Shift+File  Open
All Files In Book, if they're not already open. Then, perform
Shift+File  Save All Files In Book.

* Click in a paragraph whose format you want to rename.
* In the Paragraph Tag box of the Paragraph Designer, type the new
name and click Apply.
* Check Store in Catalog and Apply to Selection.

The paragraph format now has the new name and the old properties.

* Copy the paragraph format with Edit  Copy Special  Paragraph
Format. The format is copied to the clipboard.
* With a selection in any book file or the book window, use Edit 
Find/Change  Find  Paragraph Tag and type in the old format name
exactly (spaces, symbols, punctuation, comma, capitalization, etc)
* Choose Change  By Pasting
* Select Look In  Book

* Try a few find/replace operations manually to see that things are
working correctly. If all's OK, Click Change All to propagate the
change across all the files in the book.

* Do some spot checks in the chapters to verify the results. When you
approve, from the book window, perform Shift+File  Save All Files In
Book.

If you have many files that are in different books, or are not in
books at all, you can create a new book to contain them all, just for
the purpose of changing the formats. Perform the Find/Change across
the files, BUT don't update the book, to avoid changing any properties
that are set in other books or individual chapters.

HTH

Regards,

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Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
(8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

Happy Tuesday!

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Re: Losing text I add to a graphic

[Art Campbell]

Without poking at it, it sounds as if another object in the drawing
may be cutting off the text.
Are you using Bring To Front to make sure nothing is on top of it?

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 Hi all:

 FM 8.0, Windows XP.

 When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

 Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

 Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
 (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
 or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

 Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

 Happy Tuesday!

 Deirdre
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RE: Losing text I add to a graphic

[Schmidt, Tom]

Sounds like the text is trying to runaround the graphic. Try this...

Right click the graphic  Runaround Properties  Don't Run Around  Set

Thomas Schmidt 

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Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
(8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

Happy Tuesday!

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Re: Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Nothing else is in front of it -- it's not a bring to front kind of
thing.  The text just *poof* disappears.

On 10/28/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Without poking at it, it sounds as if another object in the drawing
 may be cutting off the text.
 Are you using Bring To Front to make sure nothing is on top of it?

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  Hi all:
 
  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 
  When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.
 
  Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.
 
  Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
  (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
  or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.
 
  Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?
 
  Happy Tuesday!
 
  Deirdre
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Re: Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks to Ann and Tom for identifying the problem.  Now I am off to
find out what a runaround is.

On 10/28/08, Schmidt, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sounds like the text is trying to runaround the graphic. Try this...

 Right click the graphic  Runaround Properties  Don't Run Around  Set

 Thomas Schmidt

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 Hi all:

 FM 8.0, Windows XP.

 When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

 Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

 Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
 (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
 or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

 Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

 Happy Tuesday!

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Re: Standard tags for technical templates

[Mike Wickham]

 For example, the current template uses these paragraph tag names:

 S
 S1
 S+

 Both S1 is for Step 1; S and S+ act as Step +. (I don't know why there
 are two tags that appear to have  the same function. A mistake? Or am I
 missing something?)

S1 probably resets the autonumbering to start over at Step 1.

S probably continues the numbering from the previous step.

And S+ is probably for those situations where a step has more than one 
paragraph. You don't want Step n at the beginning of such a paragraph, so 
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Re: Standard tags for technical templates

[quills]

I'd say that S and S+ are duplicates if they both behave the same.

And further I'd reformat the template so that you only have one tag 
for numbering at that level. The reste for the numbering being in the 
body, heading, and other tags. It's much more elegant, and removes 
the problem of missing that first numbering.

Scott

At 2:57 PM -0500 10/28/08, Mike Wickham wrote:
   For example, the current template uses these paragraph tag names:

  S
  S1
  S+

  Both S1 is for Step 1; S and S+ act as Step +. (I don't know why there
  are two tags that appear to have  the same function. A mistake? Or am I
  missing something?)

S1 probably resets the autonumbering to start over at Step 1.

S probably continues the numbering from the previous step.

And S+ is probably for those situations where a step has more than one
paragraph. You don't want Step n at the beginning of such a paragraph, so
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Re: Standard tags for technical templates

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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:09 PM,  Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd say that S and S+ are duplicates if they both behave the same.

 And further I'd reformat the template so that you only have one tag
 for numbering at that level. The reste for the numbering being in the
 body, heading, and other tags. It's much more elegant, and removes
 the problem of missing that first numbering.

 Scott

It is more elegant, but it also depends on how you plan to use the
Frame document. If all you're doing is PDFs, this is great.

On the other hand, if you plan to use the file as a source for help
and other things, having a tag that specifically says I'm the first
(or last) step in a numbered step procedure makes the steps easy to
find and pull out.

YMMV.

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Strange index entries

[Pat Christenson]

I'm running FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP. I generated an index and  
got some very strange results. Here's a sample and a description of  
what happened.

topic 24-27, 237-240

The index markers are on pages 237 and 240 and not on 24 and 27.  
However, pages 237 and 240 are the 24th and 27th pages of the files.  
Page numbering is set to continue from chapter to chapter.

I regenerated the index and it's fine so this question is purely  
academic.

Any thoughts on what caused this?

Thanks.

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Re: Strange index entries - NEVER MIND

[Pat Christenson]

I figured it out. Pilot error.

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Re: Standard tags for technical templates

[quills]

However, XML and HTML don't use a separate tag to start a numbering 
list. It simplifies the conversion. And if using XML it is the 
preferred way to format your markup. Less problems in indicating the 
first point of the numbering stream.

Scott

At 4:37 PM -0400 10/28/08, Lin Sims wrote:
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:09 PM,  Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'd say that S and S+ are duplicates if they both behave the same.

  And further I'd reformat the template so that you only have one tag
  for numbering at that level. The reste for the numbering being in the
  body, heading, and other tags. It's much more elegant, and removes
  the problem of missing that first numbering.

  Scott

It is more elegant, but it also depends on how you plan to use the
Frame document. If all you're doing is PDFs, this is great.

On the other hand, if you plan to use the file as a source for help
and other things, having a tag that specifically says I'm the first
(or last) step in a numbered step procedure makes the steps easy to
find and pull out.

YMMV.

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RE: Losing text I add to a graphic

[Diane Gaskill]

Dierdre,

Wwhat happens when you move the text back to its original location?  Do the
missing letters reappear?  If so, the problem is likely being caused by the
graphic runaround properties setting.  Click the graphic and select Graphics
 Runaround Properties.  Set Don't Run Around.

I strongly suggest not using the free text tool (A) to create callouts.
Instead, create a text frame for each callout.  Create a callout tag and tag
the text in the text box with it. Then copy and paste the text frame as many
times as you need over the graphic (much easier than creatingnew text frames
for each callout).

This has some advantages over free text.
 * you can change the tag parameters (font, size, color, line spacing, etc.)
for all callouts in the doc at the same time
 * all the text in the frames is part of the body text flow and can be
searched and/or localized easily
 * multiline callouts are kept together without having to group the lines

HTH

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems
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Subject: Losing text I add to a graphic


Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
(8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

Happy Tuesday!

Deirdre
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Problem with sequence in the Table of Contents (tables and following text)

[Shlomo Perets]

Terri,

You wrote:

Running non-structured FM 7.2 on Windows XP.
...The last two rows of the table flow to share a page with text. Each
row has the Report Name paragraph tag for the TOC.

The first paragraph after the table is tagged Heading 1.

When I generate the TOC, all of the Report Names on pages 1-7 list in
correct sequence.
The last two Report names (page 8) come after the page 8 Heading 1,
even though they appear on the page above the Heading 1.

Everything is in Flow A. I can't find any table or paragraph overrides.

If I force the page 8 Heading 1 to a new page, the generated TOC
sequence is correct.
If I really "tweak" the table so the last rows don't share a page with
the following text, the generated TOC sequence is correct.


The incorrect order is not related to overrides or multiple flows. When 
FrameMaker creates the TOC, it first looks at regular paragraph content on 
the page, and then at table content. This applies to FM8 as well.
(Interestingly, PDF bookmarks are retrieved in the right order.)

With a mix of table and non-table content on the same page, retrieved into 
TOC, I'm afraid that the only workaround is to force the heading after the 
table to start on a new page. (If this is an ongoing issue, you may 
experiment with non-table layouts, eg with side heads).


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"An error occurred while printing."

[Phil Heron]

Nina,

Does the folder name have a punctuation character in it by any chance?

There's an ancient known problem with FrameMaker in that it can't print to a 
folder with a punctuation character.

Phil Heron

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Subject: "An error occurred while printing."

I am in Framemaker 7.2 and am trying to print to PDF. Generally I have
no problem doing this, but today I am getting the message "An error
occurred while printing." I haven't changed any settings since the last
time I printed to PDF (either last Friday or Saturday), so I'm stumped
as to what might be causing the error. I know this is a very general
question, but I've already tried closing and opening Framemaker,
restarting the computer, etc. Any ideas?



Thanks!



Nina Rogers, Technical Writer

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Drake Software

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Two-column layout and large graphics

[Matt Sullivan]

I do something similar, but use a single-cell table with a table title above
or below. That way I have more accurate control over the Gap, as well as
placing the title above or below.

-Matt

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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:12 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; 'Framer's List'
Subject: Re: Two-column layout and large graphics

> I'm not seeing a way to keep
> the caption paragraph with the anchored frame as it moves to the top or
> bottom of the page.

Create a two-cell table format and use it for captioned graphics. Assign 
your graphic anchor paragraph format to the top cell and your caption 
paragraph format to the bottom cell. Insert the table wherever you want a 
graphic. Then import the graphic into the top cell and the type the caption 
text into the bottom cell. They'll move together.

You can take it a step further with the Autotext plugin from Silicon Prairie

Software. It lets you create a text block that would also include the empty 
paragraph that holds the two-cell table. You can pop it all in with a menu 
click, instead of creating the table anchor paragraph and inserting the 
table separately.

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Two-column layout and large graphics

[Mike Wickham]

>I do something similar, but use a single-cell table with a table title 
>above
> or below. That way I have more accurate control over the Gap, as well as
> placing the title above or below.

D'oh! It turns out that that is what I do, too. I wrote my original message 
from memory and I remembered it wrong. I don't use a two-cell table-- though 
it would work. I use a one-cell table to hold the graphic and use the table 
title to hold the caption. It works great.

Mike Wickham


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> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:12 PM
> To: Linda G. Gallagher; 'Framer's List'
> Subject: Re: Two-column layout and large graphics
>
>> I'm not seeing a way to keep
>> the caption paragraph with the anchored frame as it moves to the top or
>> bottom of the page.
>
> Create a two-cell table format and use it for captioned graphics. Assign
> your graphic anchor paragraph format to the top cell and your caption
> paragraph format to the bottom cell. Insert the table wherever you want a
> graphic. Then import the graphic into the top cell and the type the 
> caption
> text into the bottom cell. They'll move together.
>
> You can take it a step further with the Autotext plugin from Silicon 
> Prairie
>
> Software. It lets you create a text block that would also include the 
> empty
> paragraph that holds the two-cell table. You can pop it all in with a menu
> click, instead of creating the table anchor paragraph and inserting the
> table separately.
>
> Mike Wickham

Commas in paragraph tags

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Okay, now I tried it and it does not work with the backslash.

It will not help you, but the pgf format name is not well chosen  
anyway: Using "H2 Heading2" would have anabled easy access to the  
format using the Ctrl+9 (or F9) shortcut to select pgf formats from  
the status area. But of course, the original designer would have  
chosen "H2, Heading2"... :-(

There are plug-ins and solutions available to change pgf format names  
for documents and books in a batch process.

Sorry,

- Michael


Am 27.10.2008 um 17:47 schrieb Michael M?ller-Hillebrand:

> Have you tried putting a backslash in front of the comma to 'escape'
> the special function fo the entry separator?
>
> - Michael
>
> Am 27.10.2008 um 16:56 schrieb Charles Beck:
>
>> Esteemed Framers,
>>
>> I have a problem I am hoping someone can help me solve. I have
>> searched
>> the Frame documentation to no avail. I do not have time to search
>> through all the archives for this list; so please forgive if the
>> info is
>> there (which I rather doubt).
>>
>> I have a set of templates that I inherited. I want to use the
>> Heading 2
>> paragraph style in a running header. Unfortunately, the paragraph
>> style
>> is actually named "Heading 2,H2", which confuses FrameMaker when
>> encountered in a system variable paragraph tag <$paratext[Heading
>> 2,H2]>. Frame thinks it is a multiple style reference because of the
>> comma. That much I have learned from the documentation.
>>
>> The question is, short of renaming the paragraph style (which is not
>> really an option for us), is there any way to get Frame to recognized
>> this as a single paragraph style in a paragraph tag for a running
>> header?
>>
>> Please reply to me directly, as I am on digest.
>>
>> TIA for whatever help anyone can give me!
>>
>> Chuck Beck
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MadCap Flare

[Robert Partridge]

I'll give my 2c as well. We were using Frame with WWP and having no end
of headaches with it. Builds were scriptable but not repeatable. It took
ages to build our online help system. Having had a look at our
documentation we realised that print was a secondary issue and that our
prime deliverable was online help. So we looked at help tools. We looked
at MIF2GO as a stopgap and although it would do the job better than WWP
we shied away from it as Frame really isn't a help authoring tool. 

Flare was head of our list, but we also looked at XDK, XML utlities,
Robohelp and others. We opted to go with Flare in the end as being the
most forward looking of the tools. A year ago the PDF output from Flare
was flaky and via either Word or Frame. Now they've added PDF direct
from Flare and I have to say the templating and page layout system is
pretty good. Flare has issues, as do all tools. I think Flare has fewer
and they are being addressed and new functionality being added all the
time. 

If your main deliverable is online help, I'd say stop beating yourself
up using a page layout tool to write help and switch to Flare. It does a
great job for help (we use it for HTML Help) and does a good job for PDF
output. If your main deliverable is print media, I'd stick with Frame
and look at using MIF2GO for online output. 

Contact me offline if you want more info.

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Standard tags for technical templates

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, everyone. I have inherited a template that is fairly well made, but 
has some problems. Before I work on it, I thought I would see if you 
know of any standards for  paragraph and character tag names.

For example, the current template uses these paragraph tag names:

S
S1
S+

Both S1 is for Step 1; S and S+ act as Step +. (I don't know why there 
are two tags that appear to have  the same function. A mistake? Or am I 
missing something?)

Is there a resource that offers well-considered advice on good, standard 
tag names?

I would probably name these tags Step 1 and Step + -- but that's just 
me. Maybe there's a better idea out there.

If there were suggested standard tag names for technical manuals, we 
would all spend less time getting up to speed on legacy templates.

If you know of a resource, I will be glad to hear of it.

Oh -- I'm using Framemaker 7.1. Out of curiosity, does Adobe yet include 
a user guide template in its standard templates?

--Nancy

Reasons for using graphic and table anchor tags

[DeRosier, Edward]

Hi Linda

In a previous company, I used a special "anchor" tag with graphics to
facilitate conversion of FrameMaker files to HTML, in order to match the
company style guide.

In my current company, I am doing the same thing for the same reason,
although the anchor tag has different design specifications.

In both companies, I was instrumental in encouraging the style control
group to design the anchor tag with very small font size and little or
no space above and below the paragraph.  The reason for this is that
some documents use the same template but have different purposes that do
not require anchoring a figure or table to a separate paragraph.

When a frame can be anchored to a body paragraph or to its own separate
paragraph tag, one may sometimes need to conserve line space.  The best
way to conserve line space is to put the frame anchor at the end of an
existing paragraph.  This may force the entire paragraph to the next
page.  Sometimes that is not desirable.  In order to minimize the use of
space on the new page (upon which the anchored frame is the top
element), an anchor tag can be designed to take up minimum space.

Summary:
1. To separate graphics or tables from other paragraph elements for
conversion to HTML or for other design purposes
2. To minimize the space required around an anchored frame

Ed DeRosier
Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

Removing whitespaces from an xml file

[salvador.sorian...@wartsila.com]

Hello everyone!

My problem is this, I'm opening xml files into framemaker, with of course my 
created dtd everything seems alright but then when I look into its structure 
view, these "whitespaces" appears to be an error. 

How then could I possibly erase or removed these  upon opening it 
to my framemaker?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

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Content Encoder 
Research and Development

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Reasons for using graphic and table anchor tags

[Flato, Gillian]

If you are using your Frame files to build help files, you have to use
Graphic and Table anchor tags, otherwise, you have no control over your
graphics and tables and they get skewed in the help file. With graphic
and table anchor tags, you can control them in Style Settings (at least
with ePub, I don't know Robohelp).  

-Gillian


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Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Reasons for using graphic and table anchor tags

Hi Linda

In a previous company, I used a special "anchor" tag with graphics to
facilitate conversion of FrameMaker files to HTML, in order to match the
company style guide.

In my current company, I am doing the same thing for the same reason,
although the anchor tag has different design specifications.

In both companies, I was instrumental in encouraging the style control
group to design the anchor tag with very small font size and little or
no space above and below the paragraph.  The reason for this is that
some documents use the same template but have different purposes that do
not require anchoring a figure or table to a separate paragraph.

When a frame can be anchored to a body paragraph or to its own separate
paragraph tag, one may sometimes need to conserve line space.  The best
way to conserve line space is to put the frame anchor at the end of an
existing paragraph.  This may force the entire paragraph to the next
page.  Sometimes that is not desirable.  In order to minimize the use of
space on the new page (upon which the anchored frame is the top
element), an anchor tag can be designed to take up minimum space.

Summary:
1. To separate graphics or tables from other paragraph elements for
conversion to HTML or for other design purposes
2. To minimize the space required around an anchored frame

Ed DeRosier
Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

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Commas in paragraph tags

[Combs, Richard]

Michael M?ller-Hillebrand wrote: 

> It will not help you, but the pgf format name is not well chosen
> anyway: Using "H2 Heading2" would have anabled easy access to the
> format using the Ctrl+9 (or F9) shortcut to select pgf formats from
> the status area. But of course, the original designer would have
> chosen "H2, Heading2"... :-(

I agree that the name isn't well chosen. But I don't think the "H2 Heading2" 
convention is particularly helpful. 

When you use F9 to apply pgf tags (or F8 for char tags), you can cycle through 
the tags beginning with a letter by pressing it repeatedly. Assuming that 
Heading1 is the first pgf in the catalog beginning with H, you can apply it by 
pressing F9 h . To apply Heading2, press F9 h h ; Heading3, F9 h 
h h ; etc. 

Very little is gained (at least for the first few headings) by adding an 
H1/H2/H3/... prefix. And if other tags begin with H, you lose the ability to 
find all headings and only headings by searching for Head* (with Whole Word and 
Use Wildcards selected. 

When designing a template, you can make keyboard tagging much easier by giving 
some thought to your tag names. For instance, don't name anything to come 
before Body (that way, F9  applies it), start only your heading tags 
with H, and avoid having too many tags begin with the same letter. 

IMHO, YMMV, etc. 

Richard


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Commas in paragraph tags

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Charles:

You can rename paragraph formats across a book's files using only FM's
tools, this way:

* Before proceeding, from the book window, perform Shift+File > Open
All Files In Book, if they're not already open. Then, perform
Shift+File > Save All Files In Book.

* Click in a paragraph whose format you want to rename.
* In the Paragraph Tag box of the Paragraph Designer, type the new
name and click Apply.
* Check Store in Catalog and Apply to Selection.

The paragraph format now has the new name and the old properties.

* Copy the paragraph format with Edit > Copy Special > Paragraph
Format. The format is copied to the clipboard.
* With a selection in any book file or the book window, use Edit >
Find/Change > Find > Paragraph Tag and type in the old format name
exactly (spaces, symbols, punctuation, comma, capitalization, etc)
* Choose Change > By Pasting
* Select Look In > Book

* Try a few find/replace operations manually to see that things are
working correctly. If all's OK, Click Change All to propagate the
change across all the files in the book.

* Do some spot checks in the chapters to verify the results. When you
approve, from the book window, perform Shift+File > Save All Files In
Book.

If you have many files that are in different books, or are not in
books at all, you can create a new book to contain them all, just for
the purpose of changing the formats. Perform the Find/Change across
the files, BUT don't update the book, to avoid changing any properties
that are set in other books or individual chapters.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
(8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

Happy Tuesday!

Deirdre

Losing text I add to a graphic

[Art Campbell]

Without poking at it, it sounds as if another object in the drawing
may be cutting off the text.
Are you using Bring To Front to make sure nothing is on top of it?

Art Campbell
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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> FM 8.0, Windows XP.
>
> When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.
>
> Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.
>
> Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
> (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
> or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.
>
> Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?
>
> Happy Tuesday!
>
> Deirdre
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Losing text I add to a graphic

[Schmidt, Tom]

Sounds like the text is trying to "runaround" the graphic. Try this...

Right click the graphic > Runaround Properties > Don't Run Around > Set

Thomas Schmidt 

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Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
(8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

Happy Tuesday!

Deirdre
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Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Nothing else is in front of it -- it's not a bring to front kind of
thing.  The text just *poof* disappears.

On 10/28/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Without poking at it, it sounds as if another object in the drawing
> may be cutting off the text.
> Are you using Bring To Front to make sure nothing is on top of it?
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
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> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
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>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> >
> > When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.
> >
> > Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.
> >
> > Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
> > (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
> > or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.
> >
> > Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?
> >
> > Happy Tuesday!
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Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks to Ann and Tom for identifying the problem.  Now I am off to
find out what a runaround is.

On 10/28/08, Schmidt, Tom  wrote:
> Sounds like the text is trying to "runaround" the graphic. Try this...
>
> Right click the graphic > Runaround Properties > Don't Run Around > Set
>
> Thomas Schmidt
>
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> Subject: Losing text I add to a graphic
>
> Hi all:
>
> FM 8.0, Windows XP.
>
> When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.
>
> Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.
>
> Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
> (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
> or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.
>
> Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?
>
> Happy Tuesday!
>
> Deirdre
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Standard tags for technical templates

[Mike Wickham]

> For example, the current template uses these paragraph tag names:
>
> S
> S1
> S+
>
> Both S1 is for Step 1; S and S+ act as Step +. (I don't know why there
> are two tags that appear to have  the same function. A mistake? Or am I
> missing something?)

S1 probably resets the autonumbering to start over at Step 1.

S probably continues the numbering from the previous step.

And S+ is probably for those situations where a step has more than one 
paragraph. You don't want "Step n" at the beginning of such a paragraph, so 
it omits the autonumbering.

Mike Wickham

Standard tags for technical templates

[qui...@airmail.net]

I'd say that S and S+ are duplicates if they both behave the same.

And further I'd reformat the template so that you only have one tag 
for numbering at that level. The reste for the numbering being in the 
body, heading, and other tags. It's much more elegant, and removes 
the problem of missing that first numbering.

Scott

At 2:57 PM -0500 10/28/08, Mike Wickham wrote:
>  > For example, the current template uses these paragraph tag names:
>>
>>  S
>>  S1
>>  S+
>>
>>  Both S1 is for Step 1; S and S+ act as Step +. (I don't know why there
>>  are two tags that appear to have  the same function. A mistake? Or am I
>>  missing something?)
>
>S1 probably resets the autonumbering to start over at Step 1.
>
>S probably continues the numbering from the previous step.
>
>And S+ is probably for those situations where a step has more than one
>paragraph. You don't want "Step n" at the beginning of such a paragraph, so
>it omits the autonumbering.
>
>Mike Wickham
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Standard tags for technical templates

[Lin Sims]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:09 PM,  Scott  wrote:

> I'd say that S and S+ are duplicates if they both behave the same.
>
> And further I'd reformat the template so that you only have one tag
> for numbering at that level. The reste for the numbering being in the
> body, heading, and other tags. It's much more elegant, and removes
> the problem of missing that first numbering.
>
> Scott

It is more elegant, but it also depends on how you plan to use the
Frame document. If all you're doing is PDFs, this is great.

On the other hand, if you plan to use the file as a source for help
and other things, having a tag that specifically says "I'm the first
(or last) step in a numbered step procedure" makes the steps easy to
find and pull out.

YMMV.

-- 
Lin Sims

Strange index entries

[Pat Christenson]

I'm running FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP. I generated an index and  
got some very strange results. Here's a sample and a description of  
what happened.

topic 24-27, 237-240

The index markers are on pages 237 and 240 and not on 24 and 27.  
However, pages 237 and 240 are the 24th and 27th pages of the files.  
Page numbering is set to continue from chapter to chapter.

I regenerated the index and it's fine so this question is purely  
academic.

Any thoughts on what caused this?

Thanks.

Pat Christenson

Strange index entries - NEVER MIND

[Pat Christenson]

I figured it out. Pilot error.

Pat

Standard tags for technical templates

[qui...@airmail.net]

However, XML and HTML don't use a separate tag to start a numbering 
list. It simplifies the conversion. And if using XML it is the 
preferred way to format your markup. Less problems in indicating the 
first point of the numbering stream.

Scott

At 4:37 PM -0400 10/28/08, Lin Sims wrote:
>On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:09 PM,  Scott  wrote:
>
>>  I'd say that S and S+ are duplicates if they both behave the same.
>>
>>  And further I'd reformat the template so that you only have one tag
>>  for numbering at that level. The reste for the numbering being in the
>>  body, heading, and other tags. It's much more elegant, and removes
>>  the problem of missing that first numbering.
>>
>>  Scott
>
>It is more elegant, but it also depends on how you plan to use the
>Frame document. If all you're doing is PDFs, this is great.
>
>On the other hand, if you plan to use the file as a source for help
>and other things, having a tag that specifically says "I'm the first
>(or last) step in a numbered step procedure" makes the steps easy to
>find and pull out.
>
>YMMV.
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Losing text I add to a graphic

[Diane Gaskill]

Dierdre,

Wwhat happens when you move the text back to its original location?  Do the
missing letters reappear?  If so, the problem is likely being caused by the
graphic runaround properties setting.  Click the graphic and select Graphics
> Runaround Properties.  Set Don't Run Around.

I strongly suggest not using the free text tool (A) to create callouts.
Instead, create a text frame for each callout.  Create a callout tag and tag
the text in the text box with it. Then copy and paste the text frame as many
times as you need over the graphic (much easier than creatingnew text frames
for each callout).

This has some advantages over free text.
 * you can change the tag parameters (font, size, color, line spacing, etc.)
for all callouts in the doc at the same time
 * all the text in the frames is part of the body text flow and can be
searched and/or localized easily
 * multiline callouts are kept together without having to group the lines

HTH

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems
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Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
(8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

Happy Tuesday!

Deirdre
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