Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

2016-11-22 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Hi Rick...

Yes, that was indeed the problem. What is strange, though, is that I 
noticed this before I gave up and posted my query. I made the correction 
to the file name but perhaps I forgot to save the file and/or the book 
first before trying again to correct the problem.


At any rate, it's solved now. Thanks for pointing out the cause.

Dennis


On 11/22/2016 6:37 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Check to see if the original file had 2 or more consecutive spaces in the file 
name or path. The hypertext marker will replace 2 or more consecutive spaces 
with a single space and that will cause a mismatch between the link and the 
file name.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:28 PM
To: Craig, Alison; FramMaker Postings
Subject: Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

It was something to do with the file itself.  The problem followed the chapter 
in question when I reversed their order, swapping chapter 1 for chapter 2 in 
the book.

Since the two chapters were otherwise very similar, I deleted the troublesome 
Chapter 1 and saved a copy of Chapter 2 with a new name, and then added it to 
the book. The problem has gone away.

If I had the time and a good reason to do it, I'd run some kind of comparison 
between the old chapter 1 and its replacement chapter to find
the difference. Maybe on another   rainy day, but I've spent enough time
on this problem as it is.

Dennis...


On 11/22/2016 3:36 PM, Craig, Alison wrote:

If you find out what causes this, let me know.

I have that issue in some of my books and it carries over into the PDF
as well (FM 9 and 12)

I’ve tried creating a new chapter file but the problem doesn’t go away.

*Alison Craig*

Technical Documentation Specialist

BK Ultrasound |**acr...@bkultrasound.com
 | bkultrasound.com


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*On Behalf Of *Dennis Brunnenmeyer
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:32 PM
*To:* FramMaker Postings
*Subject:* [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

OS: Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
FrameMaker 7.2
Semi-knowledgeable, infrequent user

I've managed to generate an otherwise proper and well-behaved TOC for
my 48-chapter book. It looks good and everything seems normal so far,
except for thise: the Alt-Control while clicking on the first chapter
heading in the TOC results in an error window that says the file
doesn't exist. Doing this on any of the following headings,
subheadings and page headings works perfectly. Only the first entry in
the TOC exhibits this problem.

A harmless bug or a sign of a hidden problem?

TIA for any advice.

Dennis...

--

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Director of Marketing

*Fullfidelity Music^®*

15019 Rattlesnake Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945**

dennisb/at/ fullfidelitymusic /dot/ com

+1 (530) 477-9015

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Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

2016-11-22 Thread Rick Quatro
Check to see if the original file had 2 or more consecutive spaces in the file 
name or path. The hypertext marker will replace 2 or more consecutive spaces 
with a single space and that will cause a mismatch between the link and the 
file name.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:28 PM
To: Craig, Alison; FramMaker Postings
Subject: Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

It was something to do with the file itself.  The problem followed the chapter 
in question when I reversed their order, swapping chapter 1 for chapter 2 in 
the book.

Since the two chapters were otherwise very similar, I deleted the troublesome 
Chapter 1 and saved a copy of Chapter 2 with a new name, and then added it to 
the book. The problem has gone away.

If I had the time and a good reason to do it, I'd run some kind of comparison 
between the old chapter 1 and its replacement chapter to find 
the difference. Maybe on another   rainy day, but I've spent enough time 
on this problem as it is.

Dennis...


On 11/22/2016 3:36 PM, Craig, Alison wrote:
>
> If you find out what causes this, let me know.
>
> I have that issue in some of my books and it carries over into the PDF 
> as well (FM 9 and 12)
>
> I’ve tried creating a new chapter file but the problem doesn’t go away.
>
> *Alison Craig*
>
> Technical Documentation Specialist
>
> BK Ultrasound |**acr...@bkultrasound.com 
>  | bkultrasound.com 
> 
>
> *From:*Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:32 PM
> *To:* FramMaker Postings
> *Subject:* [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?
>
> OS: Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
> FrameMaker 7.2
> Semi-knowledgeable, infrequent user
>
> I've managed to generate an otherwise proper and well-behaved TOC for 
> my 48-chapter book. It looks good and everything seems normal so far, 
> except for thise: the Alt-Control while clicking on the first chapter 
> heading in the TOC results in an error window that says the file 
> doesn't exist. Doing this on any of the following headings, 
> subheadings and page headings works perfectly. Only the first entry in 
> the TOC exhibits this problem.
>
> A harmless bug or a sign of a hidden problem?
>
> TIA for any advice.
>
> Dennis...
>
> --
>
> Dennis Brunnenmeyer
>
> Director of Marketing
>
> *Fullfidelity Music^®*
>
> 15019 Rattlesnake Road
>
> Grass Valley, CA 95945**
>
> dennisb/at/ fullfidelitymusic /dot/ com
>
> +1 (530) 477-9015
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Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

2016-11-22 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
It was something to do with the file itself.  The problem followed the 
chapter in question when I reversed their order, swapping chapter 1 for 
chapter 2 in the book.


Since the two chapters were otherwise very similar, I deleted the 
troublesome Chapter 1 and saved a copy of Chapter 2 with a new name, and 
then added it to the book. The problem has gone away.


If I had the time and a good reason to do it, I'd run some kind of 
comparison between the old chapter 1 and its replacement chapter to find 
the difference. Maybe on another   rainy day, but I've spent enough time 
on this problem as it is.


Dennis...


On 11/22/2016 3:36 PM, Craig, Alison wrote:


If you find out what causes this, let me know.

I have that issue in some of my books and it carries over into the PDF 
as well (FM 9 and 12)


I’ve tried creating a new chapter file but the problem doesn’t go away.

*Alison Craig*

Technical Documentation Specialist

BK Ultrasound |**acr...@bkultrasound.com 
 | bkultrasound.com 


*From:*Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Dennis Brunnenmeyer

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:32 PM
*To:* FramMaker Postings
*Subject:* [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

OS: Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
FrameMaker 7.2
Semi-knowledgeable, infrequent user

I've managed to generate an otherwise proper and well-behaved TOC for my
48-chapter book. It looks good and everything seems normal so far,
except for thise: the Alt-Control while clicking on the first chapter
heading in the TOC results in an error window that says the file doesn't
exist. Doing this on any of the following headings, subheadings and page
headings works perfectly. Only the first entry in the TOC exhibits this
problem.

A harmless bug or a sign of a hidden problem?

TIA for any advice.

Dennis...

--

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Director of Marketing

*Fullfidelity Music^®*

15019 Rattlesnake Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945**

dennisb/at/ fullfidelitymusic /dot/ com

+1 (530) 477-9015

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Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

2016-11-22 Thread Craig, Alison
If you find out what causes this, let me know.

I have that issue in some of my books and it carries over into the PDF as well 
(FM 9 and 12)

I've tried creating a new chapter file but the problem doesn't go away.

Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com | 
bkultrasound.com

From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:32 PM
To: FramMaker Postings
Subject: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

OS: Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
FrameMaker 7.2
Semi-knowledgeable, infrequent user

I've managed to generate an otherwise proper and well-behaved TOC for my
48-chapter book. It looks good and everything seems normal so far,
except for thise: the Alt-Control while clicking on the first chapter
heading in the TOC results in an error window that says the file doesn't
exist. Doing this on any of the following headings, subheadings and page
headings works perfectly. Only the first entry in the TOC exhibits this
problem.

A harmless bug or a sign of a hidden problem?

TIA for any advice.

Dennis...

--

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Director of Marketing

*Fullfidelity Music^(r)*

15019 Rattlesnake Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945**

dennisb/at/ fullfidelitymusic /dot/ com

+1 (530) 477-9015

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[Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

2016-11-22 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

OS:  Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
FrameMaker 7.2
Semi-knowledgeable, infrequent user

I've managed to generate an otherwise proper and well-behaved TOC for my 
48-chapter book. It looks good and everything seems normal so far, 
except for thise:  the Alt-Control while clicking on the first chapter 
heading in the TOC results in an error window that says the file doesn't 
exist. Doing this on any of the following headings, subheadings and page 
headings works perfectly. Only the first entry in the TOC exhibits this 
problem.


A harmless bug or a sign of a hidden problem?

TIA for any advice.

Dennis...

--

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Director of Marketing

*Fullfidelity Music^®*

15019 Rattlesnake Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945**

dennisb/at/ fullfidelitymusic /dot/ com

+1 (530) 477-9015

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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Scott Prentice
Okay. So you're working in structured FM files (pseudo-DITA) generated 
from an FMx book-build. And you're adding a "link" to an unstructured FM 
file that's been added to the generated book? I think I get it now.


In this case, adding an fm-xref won't likely work (might, but I've never 
tried what you're doing, and modifying generated files is typically not 
a great idea since the edits are lost the next time you generate from 
DITA). What you've got now are two FM files .. just insert a 
"Cross-Reference" (regular FM type .. forget that this was DITA and is 
structured), and see what happens.


Technically, the fm-xref is an FM Cross-Reference object, so that might 
actually work, but if not, just resort to good old FM techniques.


...scott


On 11/22/16 1:41 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
Some of the files are FM generated from XML using your plugin. Others 
are FM created in Frame. The ones generated from .XML have elements, 
the others don't. Both sets are edited with FM set to the structured 
INTERFACE, but only the Frame on the server is in a structured 
environment. Which is where I made my mistake, since I was trying to 
use the FM instance on my laptop that is not in a structured 
environment. If I work in the structured environment, I can insert an 
fm-xref from the used-to-be-XML files to the always-have-been-FM files.


Sorry for being unclear (before and possibly now). The last two weeks 
or so have been stressful and tiring, and I'm not communicating as 
well as I'd like to be.


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Scott Prentice > wrote:


Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they
are DITA files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the
same book then PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the
target DITA file, then select the target element, and you should
be good to go!

But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with
unstructured FM files.

Cheers,
...scott


On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.

Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single
PDF file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it
before, I'd simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.

It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la
land.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice
> wrote:

Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will
never result in the link going to a PDF file that's generated
from that FM file. The only way for an xref to link to a PDF
is to use an external xref, and set the @href attribute to
the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the target PDF
is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from).
Even then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should.
If you want to link to a target within a PDF, you'll need to
add the necessary coding to the @href attribute that will
make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that coding is,
but in theory it's possible .. I think.

The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it
won't know what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and
that's really what you need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to
a FM file.

To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an
fm-xref), and choose the "External" button from that dialog.
This will let you specify the href (either a path/filename or
a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the scope (choose
"external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".

When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the
ditamap, if the resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as
the linked PDF, the link in the "DITA" PDF should open the
target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the "Convert xrefs to
Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when generating
the book from the ditamap in FMx.

I hope that helps.

...scott



On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in
the PDF!

And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I
was not working in the fully structured environment we
maintain on our server. FM2016 is set to the structured
interface on my personal laptop (we all have it that way),
but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful
in the elements list. Once I used the server-installation of
FM, I was able to add an fm-xref, which is I think an
internal definition(? or yours, I forget which) that allows
us to refer to paragraph tags as well as elements for xrefs.

With luck, FM2015 

Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
Some of the files are FM generated from XML using your plugin. Others are
FM created in Frame. The ones generated from .XML have elements, the others
don't. Both sets are edited with FM set to the structured INTERFACE, but
only the Frame on the server is in a structured environment. Which is where
I made my mistake, since I was trying to use the FM instance on my laptop
that is not in a structured environment. If I work in the structured
environment, I can insert an fm-xref from the used-to-be-XML files to the
always-have-been-FM files.

Sorry for being unclear (before and possibly now). The last two weeks or so
have been stressful and tiring, and I'm not communicating as well as I'd
like to be.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they are DITA
> files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the same book then
> PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the target DITA file, then
> select the target element, and you should be good to go!
>
> But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with unstructured FM
> files.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.
>
> Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF
> file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd
> simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.
>
> It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice 
> wrote:
>
>> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result
>> in the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The
>> only way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set
>> the @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
>> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
>> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
>> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
>> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
>> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>>
>> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know
>> what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you
>> need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>>
>> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and choose
>> the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify the href
>> (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the
>> scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".
>>
>> When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if the
>> resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF, the link in
>> the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the
>> "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when
>> generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>> I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!
>>
>> And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not
>> working in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server.
>> FM2016 is set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all
>> have it that way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything
>> meaningful in the elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM,
>> I was able to add an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or
>> yours, I forget which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as
>> elements for xrefs.
>>
>> With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will
>> do what I want them to do.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
>>> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
>>> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
>>> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
>>> that wouldn't even work).
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>>
 Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
 with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
 server
 version (which does) works fine.

 Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
 don't have to save down for everything.

 On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

 Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to
> insert
> an xref, I only 

Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Scott Prentice
Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they are DITA 
files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the same book then 
PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the target DITA file, 
then select the target element, and you should be good to go!


But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with unstructured FM 
files.


Cheers,
...scott


On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.

Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF 
file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, 
I'd simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.


It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice > wrote:


Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never
result in the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that
FM file. The only way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an
external xref, and set the @href attribute to the file name of the
target PDF file (assuming the target PDF is in the same folder as
the PDF that you're linking from). Even then I'm not sure it'll
work, but in theory it should. If you want to link to a target
within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the @href
attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what
that coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.

The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't
know what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's
really what you need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.

To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and
choose the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you
specify the href (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF
file), the link text, and the scope (choose "external"). This
should set the @format attribute to "pdf".

When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if
the resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF,
the link in the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be
sure to select the "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build
Options dialog when generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.

I hope that helps.

...scott



On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!

And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was
not working in the fully structured environment we maintain on
our server. FM2016 is set to the structured interface on my
personal laptop (we all have it that way), but without the
EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful in the elements list.
Once I used the server-installation of FM, I was able to add an
fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or yours, I
forget which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well
as elements for xrefs.

With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and
things will do what I want them to do.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice
> wrote:

FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an
xref from a DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory
you could create an "external" xref to the FM file, but the
best you could hope for would be that it would open the FM
file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely that
wouldn't even work).

...scott


On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is
that I was working
with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an
EDD/DTD. The server
version (which does) works fine.

Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12
to FM2015, so I
don't have to save down for everything.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims
> wrote:

Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but
when I try to insert
an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me
select anything but
elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of
course, it not being
DITA/xml.

I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce,
so I obviously have
the wrong address.

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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.

Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF file.
Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd simply
forgotten I had to do this down on the server.

It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result in
> the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The only
> way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set the
> @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>
> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know what
> the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you need ..
> the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>
> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and choose
> the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify the href
> (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the
> scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".
>
> When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if the
> resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF, the link in
> the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the
> "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when
> generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> ...scott
>
>
>
> On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!
>
> And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not working
> in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server. FM2016 is
> set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all have it that
> way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful in the
> elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM, I was able to add
> an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or yours, I forget
> which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as elements for
> xrefs.
>
> With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will do
> what I want them to do.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice 
> wrote:
>
>> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
>> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
>> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
>> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
>> that wouldn't even work).
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>>> Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
>>> with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
>>> server
>>> version (which does) works fine.
>>>
>>> Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
>>> don't have to save down for everything.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
 an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything
 but
 elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
 DITA/xml.

 I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
 the wrong address.

 --
 Lin Sims


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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!

And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not working
in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server. FM2016 is
set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all have it that
way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful in the
elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM, I was able to add
an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or yours, I forget
which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as elements for
xrefs.

With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will do
what I want them to do.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
> that wouldn't even work).
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
>> Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
>> with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
>> server
>> version (which does) works fine.
>>
>> Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
>> don't have to save down for everything.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>
>> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
>>> an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
>>> elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
>>> DITA/xml.
>>>
>>> I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
>>> the wrong address.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lin Sims
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Scott Prentice
FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a 
DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an 
"external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be 
that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and 
likely that wouldn't even work).


...scott


On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The server
version (which does) works fine.

Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
don't have to save down for everything.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:


Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
DITA/xml.

I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
the wrong address.

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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The server
version (which does) works fine.

Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
don't have to save down for everything.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
> an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
> elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
> DITA/xml.
>
> I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
> the wrong address.
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>



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[Framers] Fwd: xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

2016-11-22 Thread Lin Sims
Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
DITA/xml.

I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
the wrong address.

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Re: [Framers] Adobe PhoneGap

2016-11-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
This blog post might fill in the gaps in Adobe's documentation:

http://www.techcommtools.com/framemaker-2015-app/

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson  wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone here have any knowledge of the Adobe PhoneGap and how to set it
> up. I haven't seen any discussion on it here.
>
> I was trying for the first time to publish to Mobile App where this
> PhoneGap seems to be needed. The info is rather meager on how to set it up.
> I downloaded the thing and and the app for my android phone and still I am
> asked for credentials which I cannot find out how to get.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Iceland
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Re: [Framers] Unable to generate a TOC

2016-11-22 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

You are correct. I forgot to "Add" it first.

Thank you.

Dennis...


On 11/22/2016 12:07 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

Hi,

Is your TOC file really a live TOC?
How did you add this file to the book file?
A live TOC must be added via "Add | Create Standalone TOC".
Then you get the dialog to set up the table of contents.
You can access this dialog also when you select the TOC file in the book
and click "Edit | Set Up Table of Contents".

Best regards

Winfried

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Subject: [Framers] Unable to generate a TOC

OS:  Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
Program:  FrameMaker 7.2
User:  Struggling newbie, relatively speaking. Frankly almost ready to
dump this project and try MS Word instead.

I'm at the end of a very long rope. I have a 48-chapter book. Each
chapter, on their own, appears to be well-formatted with consistent
paragraph and character formats. Yet when I go to update the book to
hopefully generate a TOC, there are no entries in the Generate and Don't
Generate windows.

Does anyone have any idea why this might be the case?

TIA for any suggestions.

Dennis
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Re: [Framers] Unable to generate a TOC

2016-11-22 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried
Hi,

Is your TOC file really a live TOC?
How did you add this file to the book file?
A live TOC must be added via "Add | Create Standalone TOC".
Then you get the dialog to set up the table of contents.
You can access this dialog also when you select the TOC file in the book
and click "Edit | Set Up Table of Contents".

Best regards

Winfried

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On Behalf Of Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:17 AM
To: FramMaker Postings
Subject: [Framers] Unable to generate a TOC

OS:  Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
Program:  FrameMaker 7.2
User:  Struggling newbie, relatively speaking. Frankly almost ready to
dump this project and try MS Word instead.

I'm at the end of a very long rope. I have a 48-chapter book. Each
chapter, on their own, appears to be well-formatted with consistent
paragraph and character formats. Yet when I go to update the book to
hopefully generate a TOC, there are no entries in the Generate and Don't
Generate windows.

Does anyone have any idea why this might be the case?

TIA for any suggestions.

Dennis
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