RE: images for mif2go
Why are you using BMPs John? I work in both FM and Word and never use BMPs for anything. BMP graphics are very large and unnecesarily bloat up the Word doc. And from what I've seen, they don't give me any better pictures than JPGs, or for that matter, GIFs. when embedded in Word. Diane Gaskill Lockheed Martin Space Systems Co. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Posada Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@frameusers.com Subject: Re: images for mif2go If I am writing a doc set with which I may have to use mif2go to make a Word version of the Frame book (long story), is it true that I should be putting only BMPs in my Frame file, since I believe I recall someone saying that non-BMP images in Frame do not always turn out sized properly in Word after going through mif2go? No...you put a BMP version of your images in a directory (I use the output directory) and instruct Mif2Go to swap the GIFs/PNGs/TIFs with the BMPs when generating the Word files. I use PaintShopPro to batch convert the images. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: images for mif2go
--- Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are you using BMPs John? I work in both FM and Word and never use BMPs for anything. BMP graphics are very large and unnecesarily bloat up the Word doc. And from what I've seen, they don't give me any better pictures than JPGs, or for that matter, GIFs. when embedded in Word. BMPs are an interim step. They are used by Mif2Go to create the images imbedded in the Word files. They are not used in any of the documentation It's a recommended practice with Mif2Go. I'm sure that Jeremy will be checking in on this any moment to either confirm what I say (and say it better), or tell me why what I'm doing is not the best way. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Tip of the day: getting FrameMaker 7.2 to paginate correctly
The one change I dislike (read: that drove me insane) in FM 7.2 is the way it handles PgUp/PgDown keypresses. In previous versions, using these would take you to the next/prev page; in FM 7.2, you're taken to the next/prev screen instead. To change this, I added two lines to my customui.cfg: Modify GotoNextPage KeySequence /PgDn Modify GotoPreviousPage KeySequence /PgUp (I also removed the two lines with the default definitions for /PgDn and /PgUp from wincmds.cfg, but in retrospect that probably wasn't necessary: customui.cfg overrides any commands in wincmds.cfg) This level of customizability is why I love Frame... Harro de Jong ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Need clarification between the None and 100% fill options in FM
Hello, I'm sure someone out there can explain this one to me. This is just an oddity I stumbled upon and would like to know why this is happening. Here are the steps you can take to duplicate what I'm seeing: 1. Create a table with a Heading row and a Footing row. 2. Open table designer and select the Shading tab. 3. In the Heading and Footing Shading drop-down boxes, set fill to None and color to blue (any color but white will do). 4. Create a table tag for this table and click Update All. 5. Insert a new table using the newly created table tag. Notice that the new table has no fill color for the heading and footing row. Now, go through this same process, but instead of setting fill to None, set fill to 100%. The table looks the same as before, but now if you insert a new table with the newly created table tag, the heading and footing row are colored. What is the purpose of the None setting if it doesn't really get saved in the Table Tag definition? Thanks in advance, Andy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: images for mif2go
On Thu, 4 May 2006 04:31:00 -0700 (PDT), John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BMPs are an interim step. They are used by Mif2Go to create the images imbedded in the Word files. They are not used in any of the documentation Right. For Word RTF, the only way to put in an image that you can scale (to match the size in Frame) is to embed it as a WMF. Bitmaps in WMFs are very similar to BMPs, so it's the best format to start with. It's a recommended practice with Mif2Go. I'm sure that Jeremy will be checking in on this any moment to either confirm what I say (and say it better), or tell me why what I'm doing is not the best way. It *is* the best way, when you want properly scaled images in Word at the best resolution. Mif2Go can make the BMPs for itself from other formats, but it uses Frame's graphic export filters to do that, and those filters are limited to screen resolution. That's fine for docs only viewed on screen, but looks poor when printed. Preconverting preserves the original resolution. It also lets us include any callouts or other Frame additions as vector elements in the WMF. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Where's the archive?
Folks: I'll soon go back to my day job and won't be able to sort through 30 e-mails from all you wonderful chaps every day of the week. During such times I must put myself off the frameusers list. *But I don't want to miss anything!* A while back I discovered the archives on the website. But subsequently, I haven't been able to access them. I get some page error. When I shunt the address, I get sent to some Tech Writers commercial web site. Are the archives still up and available? Do I need to be logged into my editing status to access them? Any hints would generate my undying gratitude. ~ Don Spencer ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cancel: Where's the archive?
Sorry folks, don't need any hints. Found the archives in the strangest of places. First one goes to ones Account Homepage (which is unadorned in my case) and on the left are a series of link options. Click on Modify your list subscription and there at the top is the link. My best to all ~ D.S. -Original Message- From: donandjudy1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:48 AM To: Framers (E-mail) Subject:Where's the archive? Folks: I'll soon go back to my day job and won't be able to sort through 30 e-mails from all you wonderful chaps every day of the week. During such times I must put myself off the frameusers list. *But I don't want to miss anything!* A while back I discovered the archives on the website. But subsequently, I haven't been able to access them. I get some page error. When I shunt the address, I get sent to some Tech Writers commercial web site. Are the archives still up and available? Do I need to be logged into my editing status to access them? Any hints would generate my undying gratitude. ~ Don Spencer ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Trick For Creating Graphs in FrameMaker
Im talking about graphs where both the horizontal and/or vertical axes have a linear array of marked values, and the axis lines extend across the graphic. In other words, the background of the graphic looks like a FrameMaker table in which , consisting of rows and columns in which all columns are of equal width, and all rows are of equal height, using the minimum row height setting in the Row Format dialog. All table cells are empty. Here's the procedure: 1. Create a new document in which the right master page has a text frame of the desired width and height. and super-impose on top of that text frame a background text frame, and create the table (as described above) in that background text frame. Be sure to include an extra appropriately sized column on the left side of the table. This column should straddle all rows, and be wide enough to later label the title of the vertical axis, as well as space to put in tick-marks and numbers for each horizontal line in the table. Similarly, create a straddled row at the bottom of the table high enough to later enter the title of the horizontal axis, as well as space to put in tic-marks and numbers for each vertical line in the table. 2. When you are finished creating the empty table, send the bacground text frame to the back. 3. Go to page 1 of the new document. The table you created in step 1 appears. 4. First, you use the FrameMaker text and line-drawing tools to enter the titles, numbers and tic-marks for the harizontal and vertical axes in the the column with straddled rows, and and the row with the straddled columns3. 5. Next, use the drawing tool dwaring tools (curve, polyline, or whatever else0 to draw the graph lines. and smooth or reshape them as needed. 6. Save the 1-page FrameMaker document as a PDF with an appropriate filename. 7. In Acrobat, open the PDF produced in step 6, and use the Acrobat crop tool to crop the page to the size of the graphic image. and then re-save it. 8. Within any document where you want the graph to appear, import the PDF produced in step 7 by reference or copy, as appropriate. Dan Emory Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design Database Publishing [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: A bug note on using .png graphics....
The only problem with that is that if they are less than 24-bit, FM adds all the colors in them to your colors list. :( After taking them down to 8 and saving them, you could probably take them back up to 24 with out making them too much bigger. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug note on using .png graphics I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's memory managment (surprise!) or the way it's handling graphics files. * FM 7.2 / 158 * Windows XP SP2 with all patches * Two machines, one with 2 M RAM, one with 3 * FM files and graphics on a network server The symptoms were: * Importing .png files by reference * FM would occasionally display the Gray Box warning message * It would always crash It turned out the graphics I was using were big files that started life on Nikon DSLRs, were massaged in Photoshop CS2, interpolated to size, and were saved out as 300 dpi .png files for import. The details are important, it turns out, because the files retained a 16-bit color depth throughout. And that seems to be the thing that tripped FM up. On a hunch, I knocked the .PNG files down to 8-bit depth in Photoshop and resaved them and voila -- no crashes, no gray boxes, nothing at all untoward. I haven't tested this with other formats to see if the bit-depth is an issue with other file formats, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were. Cheers, Art -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A bug note on using .png graphics....
Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, with millions of colors. The 8-bit limitation is just the bit depth of the file. FM doesn't do anything at all with the colors of graphics and the colors it defines it's a graphic file format attribute. Art On 5/4/06, Grant Hogarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem with that is that if they are less than 24-bit, FM adds all the colors in them to your colors list. :( After taking them down to 8 and saving them, you could probably take them back up to 24 with out making them too much bigger. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug note on using .png graphics I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's memory managment (surprise!) or the way it's handling graphics files. * FM 7.2 / 158 * Windows XP SP2 with all patches * Two machines, one with 2 M RAM, one with 3 * FM files and graphics on a network server The symptoms were: * Importing .png files by reference * FM would occasionally display the Gray Box warning message * It would always crash It turned out the graphics I was using were big files that started life on Nikon DSLRs, were massaged in Photoshop CS2, interpolated to size, and were saved out as 300 dpi .png files for import. The details are important, it turns out, because the files retained a 16-bit color depth throughout. And that seems to be the thing that tripped FM up. On a hunch, I knocked the .PNG files down to 8-bit depth in Photoshop and resaved them and voila -- no crashes, no gray boxes, nothing at all untoward. I haven't tested this with other formats to see if the bit-depth is an issue with other file formats, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were. Cheers, Art -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cross Referencing Multiple Book Files
Alternatively, you can change your xrefs to Hyperlinks. i.e.: gotolink myfile.fm:mylink_01 and gotolink ../myfile.fm:mylink_01 Are both valid links. (assuming that myfile.fm has the Hypertext marker newlink mylink_01 g) Working out the tree structure can sometimes be a pain, but it does let you keep common documents in a different folder than the product-specific ones if you want. You also *will* need to have generate PDF links active when you print to distiller. Grant ___ Grant Hogarth Equis International - A Reuters Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: (+1) 801.270.3180 Main Fax: 801.265.3999 URL: www.equis.com TZ: Mountain (GMT -7) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Leake Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:21 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Cross Referencing Multiple Book Files Hi All! I am creating Release Notes that need to cross-reference to files in other books. For example, I have a new feature that I list in this file and have cross-referenced to the full explanation in the Using manual. The next new feature cross-references to the Configuration manual, etc. After creating the Release Notes, PDF the cross-references don't work. When I click on the link in the PDF, I get the message that the specified file config.pdf does not exist. When I generate the online help, it says that there are unresolved xrefs (which are not unresolved xrefs in the Frame file). I have updated the links, to no avail. I have tried creating the PDF with all the book files and individuals files open and I have tried it with only having the book files open. In the PDF Setup dialog box, Links tab, Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs is selected. What am I doing wrong? FrameMaker 7.0p579 - WWP for Frame v. 8.0.8.2296 - Windows XP Thanks! Julie ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: A bug note on using .png graphics....
Sadly, FM reads the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:57 PM To: Grant Hogarth Cc: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: Re: A bug note on using .png graphics Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, with millions of colors. The 8-bit limitation is just the bit depth of the file. FM doesn't do anything at all with the colors of graphics and the colors it defines it's a graphic file format attribute. Art On 5/4/06, Grant Hogarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem with that is that if they are less than 24-bit, FM adds all the colors in them to your colors list. :( After taking them down to 8 and saving them, you could probably take them back up to 24 with out making them too much bigger. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug note on using .png graphics I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's memory managment (surprise!) or the way it's handling graphics files. * FM 7.2 / 158 * Windows XP SP2 with all patches * Two machines, one with 2 M RAM, one with 3 * FM files and graphics on a network server The symptoms were: * Importing .png files by reference * FM would occasionally display the Gray Box warning message * It would always crash It turned out the graphics I was using were big files that started life on Nikon DSLRs, were massaged in Photoshop CS2, interpolated to size, and were saved out as 300 dpi .png files for import. The details are important, it turns out, because the files retained a 16-bit color depth throughout. And that seems to be the thing that tripped FM up. On a hunch, I knocked the .PNG files down to 8-bit depth in Photoshop and resaved them and voila -- no crashes, no gray boxes, nothing at all untoward. I haven't tested this with other formats to see if the bit-depth is an issue with other file formats, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were. Cheers, Art -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A bug note on using .png graphics....
Annoying, yet brilliantly exacting. ;-) On 5/4/06, Grant Hogarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, FM reads the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: A bug note on using .png graphics....
Sadly, FM reads the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. And don't forget that you can't delete them with the color definition thing where you can delete every other color! Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: A bug note on using .png graphics....
16 million colors vs 256 for GIF --- Jim Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So someone refresh my memory please, the advantage of using png files is what? John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Smart spaces
I seem to remember some way of turning the smart spaces option off by default in FrameMaker with the ini file. But I can't seem to find out how to do it. Is it possible? Or am I just dreaming? Rob ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Smart spaces
Ignore me... I forgot the setting is saved in the document, it's not an ini file setting. Once changed and saved it is always true for that document. Rob -Original Message- I seem to remember some way of turning the smart spaces option off by default in FrameMaker with the ini file. But I can't seem to find out how to do it. Is it possible? Or am I just dreaming? Rob ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Smart spaces
What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it turned on. - web At 11:24 AM +1000 5/5/06, Partridge, Robert wrote: Ignore me... I forgot the setting is saved in the document, it's not an ini file setting. Once changed and saved it is always true for that document. Rob -Original Message- I seem to remember some way of turning the smart spaces option off by default in FrameMaker with the ini file. But I can't seem to find out how to do it. Is it possible? Or am I just dreaming? Rob ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Smart spaces
That setting should therefore be held in the template you base your new document on. Our templates stupidly don't have it turned on, despite the large number of code examples in our documents. -Original Message- Bill Briggs wrote: What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it turned on. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Smart spaces
You can. Using FrameMaker, open the file FrameMakerInstallationDirectory\fminit\custom. This is a FrameMaker file, even without the .fm extension. This file is used as the default template. Change the smart spaces setting and save the file. Ian Bill Briggs wrote: What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it turned on. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Smart spaces
No such animal in the Mac install. - web At 7:39 PM -0600 5/4/06, Ian Hawkins wrote: You can. Using FrameMaker, open the file FrameMakerInstallationDirectory\fminit\custom. This is a FrameMaker file, even without the .fm extension. This file is used as the default template. Change the smart spaces setting and save the file. Ian Bill Briggs wrote: What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it turned on. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A bug note on using .png graphics....
I think we're using slightly different terms when describing the same files. In photos/photoshop, an 8-bit depth means 8 bits of red, green, and blue info. 16 million shades (256X256X256). Which is what I think you're calling 24 bit, meaning 3x8 bits. Files come out of my Nikons at 12-bit depth and are treated in Photoshop as 16-bit, which means millions more possible colors. Interpolated means resized or having the resolution adjusted in such a way that the software supplies missing pixel data when necessary. When pixels have to be dropped when an image shrinks or added when it is enlarged, an interpolation routine is at work. 300 dpi for offset press work isn't excessive. The color definition thing is really wierd. I never saw that happen before. Odd that it only seems to be png. I can see it being useful though if you have to color-match something in a layout to a graphic color, but it's still really odd that it'd pop up here. And it'd certainly add to file bloat. Makes me wonder if the crash was happening because the number of colors exceeded a maximum number in the file Art On 5/4/06, Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art Campbell wrote: Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, with millions of colors. The 8-bit limitation is just the bit depth of the file. FM doesn't do anything at all with the colors of graphics and the colors it defines it's a graphic file format attribute. Nope, not millions of colors -- millions of _possible_ colors. But each 8-bit graphic contains only 2^8, or 256, unique colors -- a palette of 256 defined RGB colors, all of which are added to your FM color list like this: RGB 000, 000, 136 RGB 000, 082, 044 RGB 056, 188, 000 So Grant is right. Since each new 8-bit PNG contains its own palette of 256 unique colors, you can end up with hundreds -- even thousands -- of new colors in your FM doc. Go ahead, select View Color Definitions, and then look at the Name list. Since your graphics started life as photos, I'm surprised that the 256-color limit isn't a problem, but then I don't know what they're pictures of. I don't understand your original crash problem, or how the photos ended up being 16-bit color (are you sure?), or what interpolated to size means. But you might try saving them as 24-bit color, which is more standard. You might also try significantly reducing the dpi. I'm no expert, but 300 dpi for a photo seems excessive. IIRC, after you remove the 8-bit PNGs, saving the doc as MIF will get rid of all the RGB color definitions. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
images for mif2go
Why are you using BMPs John? I work in both FM and Word and never use BMPs for anything. BMP graphics are very large and unnecesarily bloat up the Word doc. And from what I've seen, they don't give me any better pictures than JPGs, or for that matter, GIFs. when embedded in Word. Diane Gaskill Lockheed Martin Space Systems Co. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of John Posada Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 6:48 PM To: obair81 at comcast.net; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: images for mif2go > If I am writing a doc set with which I may have to use mif2go to > make a Word version of the Frame book (long story), is it true that > I should be putting only BMPs in my Frame file, since I believe I > recall someone saying that non-BMP images in Frame do not always > turn out sized properly in Word after going through mif2go? No...you put a BMP version of your images in a directory (I use the output directory) and instruct Mif2Go to swap the GIFs/PNGs/TIFs with the BMPs when generating the Word files. I use PaintShopPro to batch convert the images. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
images for mif2go
--- Diane Gaskill wrote: > Why are you using BMPs John? I work in both FM and > Word and never use BMPs for anything. BMP graphics > are very large and unnecesarily bloat > up the Word doc. And from what I've seen, they don't > give me any better pictures > than JPGs, or for that matter, GIFs. when embedded in Word. BMPs are an interim step. They are used by Mif2Go to create the images imbedded in the Word files. They are not used in any of the documentation It's a recommended practice with Mif2Go. I'm sure that Jeremy will be checking in on this any moment to either confirm what I say (and say it better), or tell me why what I'm doing is not the best way. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Comments/notes in Acrobat 7
In older Acrobat versions, we could make a summary of the annotations. This summary contained all annotations in a simple list. In Acrobat 7, I can still make a summary, but it insists on using one page for the annotations that apply to page X. So if each page has 1 comment, and I've got 10 comments in total, the summary is 10 pages long. What I want is to put all those annotations on a single page. Is this possible? Harro de Jong
Tip of the day: getting FrameMaker 7.2 to paginate correctly
The one change I dislike (read: "that drove me insane") in FM 7.2 is the way it handles PgUp/PgDown keypresses. In previous versions, using these would take you to the next/prev page; in FM 7.2, you're taken to the next/prev screen instead. To change this, I added two lines to my customui.cfg: > > (I also removed the two lines with the default definitions for /PgDn and /PgUp from wincmds.cfg, but in retrospect that probably wasn't necessary: customui.cfg overrides any commands in wincmds.cfg) This level of customizability is why I love Frame... Harro de Jong
Need clarification between the None and 100% fill options in FM
Hello, I'm sure someone out there can explain this one to me. This is just an oddity I stumbled upon and would like to know why this is happening. Here are the steps you can take to duplicate what I'm seeing: 1. Create a table with a Heading row and a Footing row. 2. Open table designer and select the Shading tab. 3. In the Heading and Footing Shading drop-down boxes, set fill to None and color to blue (any color but white will do). 4. Create a table tag for this table and click Update All. 5. Insert a new table using the newly created table tag. Notice that the new table has no fill color for the heading and footing row. Now, go through this same process, but instead of setting fill to None, set fill to 100%. The table "looks" the same as before, but now if you insert a new table with the newly created table tag, the heading and footing row are colored. What is the purpose of the None setting if it doesn't really get saved in the Table Tag definition? Thanks in advance, Andy
images for mif2go
On Thu, 4 May 2006 04:31:00 -0700 (PDT), John Posada wrote: >BMPs are an interim step. They are used by Mif2Go to create the >images imbedded in the Word files. They are not used in any of the >documentation Right. For Word RTF, the only way to put in an image that you can scale (to match the size in Frame) is to embed it as a WMF. Bitmaps in WMFs are very similar to BMPs, so it's the best format to start with. >It's a recommended practice with Mif2Go. I'm sure that Jeremy will be >checking in on this any moment to either confirm what I say (and say >it better), or tell me why what I'm doing is not the best way. It *is* the best way, when you want properly scaled images in Word at the best resolution. Mif2Go can make the BMPs for itself from other formats, but it uses Frame's graphic export filters to do that, and those filters are limited to screen resolution. That's fine for docs only viewed on screen, but looks poor when printed. Preconverting preserves the original resolution. It also lets us include any callouts or other Frame additions as vector elements in the WMF. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Where's the archive?
Folks: I'll soon go back to my day job and won't be able to sort through 30 e-mails from all you wonderful chaps every day of the week. During such times I must put myself off the frameusers list. *But I don't want to miss anything!* A while back I discovered the archives on the website. But subsequently, I haven't been able to access them. I get some page error. When I shunt the address, I get sent to some Tech Writers commercial web site. Are the archives still up and available? Do I need to be logged into my editing status to access them? Any hints would generate my undying gratitude. ~ Don Spencer
Cancel: Where's the archive?
Sorry folks, don't need any hints. Found the archives in the strangest of places. First one goes to ones Account Homepage (which is unadorned in my case) and on the left are a series of link options. Click on "Modify your list subscription" and there at the top is the link. My best to all ~ D.S. -Original Message- From: donandjudy1 [mailto:donandju...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:48 AM To: Framers (E-mail) Subject:Where's the archive? Folks: I'll soon go back to my day job and won't be able to sort through 30 e-mails from all you wonderful chaps every day of the week. During such times I must put myself off the frameusers list. *But I don't want to miss anything!* A while back I discovered the archives on the website. But subsequently, I haven't been able to access them. I get some page error. When I shunt the address, I get sent to some Tech Writers commercial web site. Are the archives still up and available? Do I need to be logged into my editing status to access them? Any hints would generate my undying gratitude. ~ Don Spencer
Trick For Creating Graphs in FrameMaker
Im talking about graphs where both the horizontal and/or vertical axes have a linear array of marked values, and the axis lines extend across the graphic. In other words, the background of the graphic looks like a FrameMaker table in which , consisting of rows and columns in which all columns are of equal width, and all rows are of equal height, using the minimum row height setting in the Row Format dialog. All table cells are empty. Here's the procedure: 1. Create a new document in which the right master page has a text frame of the desired width and height. and super-impose on top of that text frame a background text frame, and create the table (as described above) in that background text frame. Be sure to include an extra appropriately sized column on the left side of the table. This column should straddle all rows, and be wide enough to later label the title of the vertical axis, as well as space to put in tick-marks and numbers for each horizontal line in the table. Similarly, create a straddled row at the bottom of the table high enough to later enter the title of the horizontal axis, as well as space to put in tic-marks and numbers for each vertical line in the table. 2. When you are finished creating the empty table, send the bacground text frame to the back. 3. Go to page 1 of the new document. The table you created in step 1 appears. 4. First, you use the FrameMaker text and line-drawing tools to enter the titles, numbers and tic-marks for the harizontal and vertical axes in the the column with straddled rows, and and the row with the straddled columns3. 5. Next, use the drawing tool dwaring tools (curve, polyline, or whatever else0 to draw the graph lines. and smooth or reshape them as needed. 6. Save the 1-page FrameMaker document as a PDF with an appropriate filename. 7. In Acrobat, open the PDF produced in step 6, and use the Acrobat crop tool to crop the page to the size of the graphic image. and then re-save it. 8. Within any document where you want the graph to appear, import the PDF produced in step 7 by reference or copy, as appropriate. Dan Emory & Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing
A bug & note on using .png graphics....
The only problem with that is that if they are less than 24-bit, FM adds all the colors in them to your colors list. :( After taking them down to 8 and saving them, you could probably take them back up to 24 with out making them too much bigger. Grant -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's memory managment (surprise!) or the way it's handling graphics files. * FM 7.2 / 158 * Windows XP SP2 with all patches * Two machines, one with 2 M RAM, one with 3 * FM files and graphics on a network server The symptoms were: * Importing .png files by reference * FM would occasionally display the "Gray Box" warning message * It would always crash It turned out the graphics I was using were big files that started life on Nikon DSLRs, were massaged in Photoshop CS2, interpolated to size, and were saved out as 300 dpi .png files for import. The details are important, it turns out, because the files retained a 16-bit color depth throughout. And that seems to be the thing that tripped FM up. On a hunch, I knocked the .PNG files down to 8-bit depth in Photoshop and resaved them and voila -- no crashes, no gray boxes, nothing at all untoward. I haven't tested this with other formats to see if the bit-depth is an issue with other file formats, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were. Cheers, Art -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
Cross Referencing Multiple Book Files
Alternatively, you can change your xrefs to Hyperlinks. i.e.: "gotolink myfile.fm:mylink_01" and "gotolink ../myfile.fm:mylink_01" Are both valid links. (assuming that myfile.fm has the Hypertext marker "newlink mylink_01" ) Working out the tree structure can sometimes be a pain, but it does let you keep common documents in a different folder than the product-specific ones if you want. You also *will* need to have "generate PDF links" active when you print to distiller. Grant ___ Grant Hogarth Equis International - A Reuters Company ghogarth at Equis.com / Grant.Hogarth at Reuters.com Direct: (+1) 801.270.3180 Main Fax: 801.265.3999 URL: www.equis.com TZ: Mountain (GMT -7) -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Julie Leake Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:21 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Cross Referencing Multiple Book Files Hi All! I am creating Release Notes that need to cross-reference to files in other books. For example, I have a new feature that I list in this file and have cross-referenced to the full explanation in the Using manual. The next new feature cross-references to the Configuration manual, etc. After creating the Release Notes, PDF the cross-references don't work. When I click on the link in the PDF, I get the message that "the specified file config.pdf does not exist." When I generate the online help, it says that there are unresolved xrefs (which are not unresolved xrefs in the Frame file). I have updated the links, to no avail. I have tried creating the PDF with all the book files and individuals files open and I have tried it with only having the book files open. In the PDF Setup dialog box, Links tab, "Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs" is selected. What am I doing wrong? FrameMaker 7.0p579 - WWP for Frame v. 8.0.8.2296 - Windows XP Thanks! Julie ___
A bug & note on using .png graphics....
Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:57 PM To: Grant Hogarth Cc: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, with millions of colors. The 8-bit limitation is just the bit depth of the file. FM doesn't do anything at all with the colors of graphics and the colors it defines it's a graphic file format attribute. Art On 5/4/06, Grant Hogarth wrote: > The only problem with that is that if they are less than 24-bit, FM > adds all the colors in them to your colors list. :( After taking them > down to 8 and saving them, you could probably take them back up to 24 > with out making them too much bigger. > > Grant > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com > ] > On Behalf Of Art Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM > To: List, Framers; Free Framers > Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics > > I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after > kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's > memory managment > (surprise!) or the > way it's handling graphics files. > > * FM 7.2 / 158 > * Windows XP SP2 with all patches > * Two machines, one with 2 M RAM, one with 3 > * FM files and graphics on a network server > > The symptoms were: > * Importing .png files by reference > * FM would occasionally display the "Gray Box" warning message > * It would always crash > > It turned out the graphics I was using were big files that started > life on Nikon DSLRs, were massaged in Photoshop CS2, interpolated to > size, and were saved out as 300 dpi .png files for import. > > The details are important, it turns out, because the files retained a > 16-bit color depth throughout. And that seems to be the thing that > tripped FM up. > > On a hunch, I knocked the .PNG files down to 8-bit depth in Photoshop > and resaved them and voila -- no crashes, no gray boxes, nothing at > all untoward. > > I haven't tested this with other formats to see if the bit-depth is an > issue with other file formats, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were. > > Cheers, > Art > > -- > Art Campbell > art.campbell at gmail.com
A bug & note on using .png graphics....
Annoying, yet brilliantly exacting. ;-) On 5/4/06, Grant Hogarth wrote: > Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* pngs), and > adds the color definitions in the image file to the list of available > colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
A bug & note on using .png graphics....
> Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* > pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to > the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. And don't forget that you can't delete them with the color definition thing where you can delete every other color! Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you.
A bug & note on using .png graphics....
So someone refresh my memory please, the advantage of using png files is what? -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robotti Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:41 PM To: Grant Hogarth; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: A bug & note on using .png graphics > Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* > pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to > the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. And don't forget that you can't delete them with the color definition thing where you can delete every other color! Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jlight at pillardata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jlight%40pillardata. com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
A bug & note on using .png graphics....
16 million colors vs 256 for GIF --- Jim Light wrote: > So someone refresh my memory please, the advantage of using png > files is what? > John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
A bug & note on using .png graphics....
Art Campbell wrote: > Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? > I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, > with millions of colors. > The 8-bit limitation is just the bit depth of the file. FM > doesn't do anything at all with the colors of graphics and > the colors it defines it's a graphic file format attribute. Nope, not millions of colors -- millions of _possible_ colors. But each 8-bit graphic contains only 2^8, or 256, unique colors -- a palette of 256 defined RGB colors, all of which are added to your FM color list like this: RGB 000, 000, 136 RGB 000, 082, 044 RGB 056, 188, 000 So Grant is right. Since each new 8-bit PNG contains its own palette of 256 unique colors, you can end up with hundreds -- even thousands -- of new colors in your FM doc. Go ahead, select View > Color > Definitions, and then look at the Name list. Since your graphics started life as photos, I'm surprised that the 256-color limit isn't a problem, but then I don't know what they're pictures of. I don't understand your original crash problem, or how the photos ended up being 16-bit color (are you sure?), or what "interpolated to size" means. But you might try saving them as 24-bit color, which is more standard. You might also try significantly reducing the dpi. I'm no expert, but 300 dpi for a photo seems excessive. IIRC, after you remove the 8-bit PNGs, saving the doc as MIF will get rid of all the RGB color definitions. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Smart spaces
What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it turned on. - web At 11:24 AM +1000 5/5/06, Partridge, Robert wrote: >Ignore me... I forgot the setting is saved in the document, it's not an >ini file setting. Once changed and saved it is always true for that >document. > >Rob > >-Original Message- > >I seem to remember some way of turning the smart spaces option off by >default in FrameMaker with the ini file. But I can't seem to find out >how to do it. Is it possible? Or am I just dreaming? > >Rob
A bug & note on using .png graphics....
I think we're using slightly different terms when describing the same files. In photos/photoshop, an 8-bit depth means 8 bits of red, green, and blue info. 16 million shades (256X256X256). Which is what I think you're calling 24 bit, meaning 3x8 bits. Files come out of my Nikons at 12-bit depth and are treated in Photoshop as 16-bit, which means millions more possible colors. Interpolated means resized or having the resolution adjusted in such a way that the software supplies missing pixel data when necessary. When pixels have to be dropped when an image shrinks or added when it is enlarged, an interpolation routine is at work. 300 dpi for offset press work isn't excessive. The color definition thing is really wierd. I never saw that happen before. Odd that it only seems to be png. I can see it being useful though if you have to color-match something in a layout to a graphic color, but it's still really odd that it'd pop up here. And it'd certainly add to file bloat. Makes me wonder if the crash was happening because the number of colors exceeded a maximum number in the file Art On 5/4/06, Combs, Richard wrote: > Art Campbell wrote: > > > Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? > > I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, > > with millions of colors. > > The 8-bit limitation is just the bit depth of the file. FM > > doesn't do anything at all with the colors of graphics and > > the colors it defines it's a graphic file format attribute. > > Nope, not millions of colors -- millions of _possible_ colors. But each > 8-bit graphic contains only 2^8, or 256, unique colors -- a palette of > 256 defined RGB colors, all of which are added to your FM color list > like this: > > RGB 000, 000, 136 > RGB 000, 082, 044 > RGB 056, 188, 000 > > So Grant is right. Since each new 8-bit PNG contains its own palette of > 256 unique colors, you can end up with hundreds -- even thousands -- of > new colors in your FM doc. Go ahead, select View > Color > Definitions, > and then look at the Name list. > > Since your graphics started life as photos, I'm surprised that the > 256-color limit isn't a problem, but then I don't know what they're > pictures of. I don't understand your original crash problem, or how the > photos ended up being 16-bit color (are you sure?), or what > "interpolated to size" means. But you might try saving them as 24-bit > color, which is more standard. You might also try significantly reducing > the dpi. I'm no expert, but 300 dpi for a photo seems excessive. > > IIRC, after you remove the 8-bit PNGs, saving the doc as MIF will get > rid of all the RGB color definitions. > > Richard > > > -- > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
