Re: footnote problem

2007-10-18 Thread Graeme R Forbes
Tina wrote: If I take out the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong Are you sure about this? If there are lots of long notes in the doc it's very likely that FM has pushed some of them in their entirety

Re: Footnote problem--long footnotes

2007-10-18 Thread Klaus Daube
On 17 Oct 2007 at 12:59, Tina Ricks wrote: Has anyone seen this? Any ideas about how to deal with long footnotes in Frame other than go back to the author and tell him to rewrite? Well, I think the author will insist... So I would try a quirk, because the whole text seems to be a quirk

Boolean condition expression problems in FM 8

2007-10-18 Thread Reng, Winfried
Hi, We have a comment condition which should be hidden in the final document and other conditions which should be shown. However, here I ran into problems, when I have text which has comment and another condition applied, and text with comment should be hidden. I tried this: o

Re: footnote problem

2007-10-18 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
My walnut is telling me that a footnote is a footnote and things that do not fit within the majority of a page as allowed in FrameMaker must be something else, like an end note or just as an insert (not in the FM way) that is just shown indented and/or in smaller type in direct continuation of the

RE: Boolean condition expression problems in FM 8

2007-10-18 Thread Reng, Winfried
Hi, Sorry, 2 more issues: o I noticed that boolean expressions set in one file of a book are not overridden when I set Show All for the whole book. In this file still Show as per Expression is set. o When I want to set boolean expressions for the whole book, not all available conditions

Creating context sensitive help for applications built using DOT NET studio.

2007-10-18 Thread Paul Grigg
Hi all, Have any of you created .chm files for applications built using the .NET studio? The problem that interests me is the lack of a ui.h file for the context mapping. .NET no longer uses this MFC convention. For the same reason, Microsoft help studio cannot trap HTML help messages for these

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Ron Miller
On Oct 11, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Technical Writer wrote: The trend has been in that direction since the dotcom bust, when a number of (formerly) highly paid developers found a comfortable job writing help files more appealing than unemployment or stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart. If

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread John Hedtke
A pithy and very well-written message, Ron. Bravo! Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com -- website 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email)

RE: Sorry for the bandwidth, but is the Frameusers site functioning?

2007-10-18 Thread Combs, Richard
Van Boening, Tammy wrote: I have been trying in vain to unsubscribe from the framers list and tech-whirl list for several days now as I am leaving this gig and will soon have a new email address; however, no luck. No matter what I do, whenever I log in, I either get timed out or when I

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Bill Swallow
Agreed. I'm surprised this isn't a more common practice. On 10/18/07, Chris Borokowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes more sense in my mind is for technical writers to expand their role to the life-cycle of the product, from conception to maintenance, by investing in understanding

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Chris Borokowski
What makes more sense in my mind is for technical writers to expand their role to the life-cycle of the product, from conception to maintenance, by investing in understanding interaction design/interface design, quality control and user advocacy positions. --- Ron Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Gordon McLean
The movement toward Extreme Programming and Agile Development is a case in point; documentation is considered a waste of valuable developer time, and only needs to be slapped together in minimalist form at the last minute. That is at odds with the TW perspective of involvement during the

Re: footnote problem

2007-10-18 Thread Stuart Rogers
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: My walnut is telling me that a footnote is a footnote and things that do not fit within the majority of a page as allowed in FrameMaker must be something else, like an end note or just as an insert (not in the FM way) that is just shown indented and/or in smaller type

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread John Hedtke
XP and Agile are excuses for bad behavior. We're manly men who code brilliantly; we don't need documentation because our code is perfect and if the users don't understand our godlike design, that's their problem. XP and Agile will get code out the door and it may even be good code

RE: Radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Technical Writer
Technical writing, specifically end-user documentation of software applications, is perceived by the majority of producers as less than useful and, in general, a waste of money, time, and effort. Similarly, the TW's view that they are adding value to a product may be just as impoverished.

RE: Radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Chris Borokowski
There's other problems with Linux, and this article says it all: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2197786,00.asp I am agnostic about Linux. It does some things well. It's not ready for the desktop because installation of the OS, and then software, is often a massive PITA. With Windows, it

Re: Radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Ron Miller
I would maintain, that it's impossible to facilitate knowledge transfer without good style, form and consistency, but I would agree that without clear writing, it hardly matters how good it looks. You will never achieve the perfect interface. It's not going to happen. Your grandmother is

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread John Posada
I've seen XP happening in a number of companies that are now dead. Think of it as evolution in action. I've also seen companies that do not use Agile go out of business, so maybe Agile is not what drove them out of business. XP and Agile are excuses for bad behavior. We're manly men who

RE: Radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Rene Stephenson
Lots to digest here: Technical Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technical writing, specifically end-user documentation of software applications, is perceived by the majority of producers as less than useful and, in general, a waste of money, time, and effort. This is observable.

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Neeraj Jain
I agree with Gordon. Infact, there is requirement for more and more documentation. I see that every new user interface comes with its own set of tutorials. Smile makes you more close; try it Thanks and Regards, N. Jain Writer 91-9810676241 http://www.neerajjain8.com |

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Rene Stephenson
Human engineering, customer research prior to design concept, GUI concept and progression testing, usability testing, quality control, user advocacy, basic GUI verification and operability (short of rigorous software design testing)... the list goes on. There are a lot of areas where TWs could

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Rene Stephenson
HA! Quite true! TW's usually also bring an approach that is closer to green field than the developers, engineers, etc., can provide. Because they understand how THEY INTEND for it to function and be used, they can be a bit myopic about how what they have CREATED actually plays out. Rene Bill

footnote problem

2007-10-18 Thread Graeme R Forbes
Tina wrote: "If I take out the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong" Are you sure about this? If there are lots of long notes in the doc it's very likely that FM has pushed some of them in their

Footnote problem--long footnotes

2007-10-18 Thread Klaus Daube
On 17 Oct 2007 at 12:59, Tina Ricks wrote: > Has anyone seen this? Any ideas about how to deal with long footnotes in > Frame other than go back to the author and tell him to rewrite? Well, I think the author will insist... So I would try a quirk, because the whole text seems to be a quirk

footnote problem

2007-10-18 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
My walnut is telling me that a footnote is a footnote and things that do not fit within the majority of a page as allowed in FrameMaker must be something else, like an end note or just as an "insert" (not in the FM way) that is just shown indented and/or in smaller type in direct continuation of

Boolean condition expression problems in FM 8

2007-10-18 Thread Reng, Winfried
Hi, Sorry, 2 more issues: o I noticed that boolean expressions set in one file of a book are not overridden when I set "Show All" for the whole book. In this file still "Show as per Expression" is set. o When I want to set boolean expressions for the whole book, not all available

Creating context sensitive help for applications built using DOT NET studio.

2007-10-18 Thread Paul Grigg
Hi all, Have any of you created .chm files for applications built using the .NET studio? The problem that interests me is the lack of a ui.h file for the context mapping. .NET no longer uses this MFC convention. For the same reason, Microsoft help studio cannot trap HTML help messages for these

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Ron Miller
On Oct 11, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Technical Writer wrote: > > The trend has been in that direction since the dotcom bust, when a > number of (formerly) highly paid developers found a comfortable job > writing help files more appealing than unemployment or stocking the > shelves at Wal-Mart.

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Chris Borokowski
What makes more sense in my mind is for technical writers to expand their role to the life-cycle of the product, from conception to maintenance, by investing in understanding interaction design/interface design, quality control and user advocacy positions. --- Ron Miller wrote: > > > > > On

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread John Hedtke
A pithy and very well-written message, Ron. Bravo! Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com <-- website 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) john at hedtke.com (primary email) johnhedtke at aol.com (secondary email)

Sorry for the bandwidth, but is the Frameusers site functioning?

2007-10-18 Thread Combs, Richard
Van Boening, Tammy wrote: > I have been trying in vain to unsubscribe from the framers > list and tech-whirl list for several days now as I am leaving > this gig and will soon have a new email address; however, no > luck. No matter what I do, whenever I log in, I either get > timed out or

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Bill Swallow
Agreed. I'm surprised this isn't a more common practice. On 10/18/07, Chris Borokowski wrote: > What makes more sense in my mind is for technical writers to expand > their role to the life-cycle of the product, from conception to > maintenance, by investing in understanding interaction

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Gordon McLean
> > The movement toward Extreme Programming and Agile Development is a > case in point; documentation is considered a waste of valuable > developer time, and only needs to be slapped together in minimalist > form at the last minute. That is at odds with the "TW perspective" > of involvement

footnote problem

2007-10-18 Thread Stuart Rogers
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > My walnut is telling me that a footnote is a footnote and things that > do not fit within the majority of a page as allowed in FrameMaker must > be something else, like an end note or just as an "insert" (not in the > FM way) that is just shown indented and/or in

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread John Hedtke
XP and Agile are excuses for bad behavior. "We're manly men who code brilliantly; we don't need documentation because our code is perfect and if the users don't understand our godlike design, that's their problem." XP and Agile will get code out the door and it may even be good code

Radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Technical Writer
Technical writing, specifically end-user documentation of software applications, is perceived by the majority of producers as "less than useful" and, in general, a waste of money, time, and effort. Similarly, the TW's view that they are "adding value" to a product may be just as impoverished.

Radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Chris Borokowski
There's other problems with Linux, and this article says it all: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2197786,00.asp I am agnostic about Linux. It does some things well. It's not ready for the desktop because installation of the OS, and then software, is often a massive PITA. With Windows, it

Radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Ron Miller
I would maintain, that it's impossible to facilitate knowledge transfer without good style, form and consistency, but I would agree that without clear writing, it hardly matters how good it looks. You will never achieve the perfect interface. It's not going to happen. Your grandmother is

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread John Posada
> I've seen XP happening in a number of companies that are now > dead. Think of it as evolution in action. I've also seen companies that do not use Agile go out of business, so maybe Agile is not what drove them out of business. > XP and Agile are excuses for bad behavior. "We're manly > men

Radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Rene Stephenson
Lots to digest here: Technical Writer wrote: Technical writing, specifically end-user documentation of software applications, is perceived by the majority of producers as "less than useful" and, in general, a waste of money, time, and effort. This is observable. Similarly, the TW's

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Neeraj Jain
I agree with Gordon. Infact, there is requirement for more and more documentation. I see that every new user interface comes with its own set of tutorials. Smile makes you more close; try it Thanks and Regards, N. Jain Writer 91-9810676241 http://www.neerajjain8.com |

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Rene Stephenson
Human engineering, customer research prior to design concept, GUI concept and progression testing, usability testing, quality control, user advocacy, basic GUI verification and operability (short of rigorous software design testing)... the list goes on. There are a lot of areas where TWs could

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Bill Swallow
I'd say that those are additional skills. What I took Chris' remark to mean is that writers should be there through the entire process, involved with design, so not only do they influence the product design along with the other stakeholders, but also have a means of thoroughly planning the entire

radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-18 Thread Rene Stephenson
HA! Quite true! TW's usually also bring an approach that is closer to "green field" than the developers, engineers, etc., can provide. Because they understand how THEY INTEND for it to function and be used, they can be a bit myopic about how what they have CREATED actually plays out. Rene

Convert PDF to DOC or FM

2007-10-18 Thread Joel and Rachel Wilhelm
Can't you just use Acrobat Professional 8? It translates the PDF to Word as text insets, which you then change to pure text. It works for me. Joel On 10/17/07 11:59 AM, "O'Laoghaire Micheal" wrote: > Try using Nuance's PDFConverter4 ( http://www.nuance.com/pdfconverter/) for > converting PDF

How would you organize these documents?

2007-10-18 Thread Sw D
Hi, everyone- I am using unstructured FM 7.2 (Windows) to maintain the documentation set for a suite of software products. We have several different customers who each receive a different subset of modules, depending on their business needs. Each module can be customized for each client, so