RE: Scripting - The Update command...

2008-04-30 Thread Baruch Brodersen
Tammy, Rick, Stephen, If I'm following the thread correctly, and that could be a dubious assumption, there appears to be a breakdown between scripting through the FDK and the need, on FrameMaker's part, to update at some point, text insets manually. Again, if that is something like the case,

RE: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:00 -0400 29/4/08, Lester C. Smalley wrote: If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about master pages; reference pages; generating

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Scott White
I found the Framemaker manual to be very confusing at first. It was not until I used the program and figured out things myself did the manual then make more sense. Now the manual is the first place I go and can now make sense of what is being explained. Scott White Media Production Manager

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
Perhaps you meant Editorially yours...? LOL! You're priceless, Richard. :-) Rene L. StephensonThere's no such thing as good writing—only good revising. - Original Message From: Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:57:35

Re: Scripting - The Update command...

2008-04-30 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Stephen, As Tammy said, we had some problems getting text insets to update programmatically through FrameScript. The solution was code to actually reimport the text insets. This isn't the most efficient approach, but it works. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Scott Prentice
As usual .. an interesting writeup on this in Wikipedia .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve Apparently there is some disagreement over this one [according to the author]. Cheers! ...scott Deirdre Reagan wrote: Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea. Deirdre

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame 5 manual was the last to be produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is a lot better than the current offering (although I've not seen a FrameMaker 8 manual.) The FrameMaker 8 manual is

OT: Monitor for color correction

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
Hi, all, I recently had the fun experience of having lightning strike. It blew out the phone and cable lines, and took out computers, all the network boxes, TVs, and lots of other electronic equipment. Some jacks were blown out of the walls and even knobs got blown off of a clothes dryer! One

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
Maybe the should outsource the manual to someone on this list. ;-) Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Mike Wickham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:00:10 PM

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Gold
Search the Web for generative understanding and generative learning. The problem with the common time vs. attempts vs. progress learning curve model is that it's applied to a single simple task. It charts very well, but it's not a reliable model outside a lab experiment. Generative understanding

Re: OT: Monitor for color correction

2008-04-30 Thread Scott Prentice
I can't comment on the color-correctness of it .. but I recently bought a refurbished (by Apple) 20 Cinema Display, and *love* it. They go for $499 (free shipping) .. and come up from time to time on the Apple website. I needed to get a new display adapter that supported DVI (Radeon 9500 I

Re: site down

2008-04-30 Thread Bill Swallow
Not that I know of. I seem to remember it being sometime last fall/winter. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been down for months. But never fear, it'll be back up

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation. Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2) I was using an expression -- an idiom! -- to articulate my opinion. 3) While curves and charts and graphs do have technical meaning, that meaning doesn't take

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
ps I forgot to stick out my tongue at the end of that message. *pleeebt* Deirdre /rant On 4/30/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation. Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2) I was using an

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
The FrameMaker 8 manual is worse, because there isn't one-- at least, no hard copy is included or sold separately. Adobe does include a file on the CD that you can print and bind yourself, but sheesh. It's over 1000 pages and awkward to print and bind in an office. I'm thinking about sending it

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Gold
So there is no proper hyperlinked online guide either? Yes, there's online help, but it's nice to have a book you can read away from the computer. Also, the help files that come with various Adobe programs are not (in my opinion) well done. There have been countless times when I've

Microsoft XP support

2008-04-30 Thread Paul Findon
On 28 Apr 2008, at 12:38, Austin Meredith wrote: > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be > discussing? According to this report, Dell, HP, and Lenovo may continue to offer XP under the terms of a

Scripting - The Update command...

2008-04-30 Thread Baruch Brodersen
Tammy, Rick, Stephen, If I'm following the thread correctly, and that could be a dubious assumption, there appears to be a breakdown between scripting through the FDK and the need, on FrameMaker's part, to update at some point, text insets manually. Again, if that is something like the case,

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:00 -0400 29/4/08, Lester C. Smalley wrote: >If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy >it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it >clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about >master pages; reference pages;

Comparison of plugin options

2008-04-30 Thread David Kuhn
I need to advise my group what plugin to purchase for easy mapping of templates with different tag names. The obvious choice is TemplateMapper. Paragraph Tools (Silicon Prairie) is also a possibility, but it is more limited. I was wondering if combining Paragraph Tools with BookXRefs (Leximation)

Offtopic: Clipping path shortcuts

2008-04-30 Thread Scott White
Folks I have a client who has about 30,000 images that need clipping paths. Other than a manually processing each image, is there any software that can systematically create an outline of an image, assign a clipping path, and save it? I know of none but I thought I would ask. I can't see

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Scott White
I found the Framemaker manual to be very confusing at first. It was not until I used the program and figured out things myself did the manual then make more sense. Now the manual is the first place I go and can now make sense of what is being explained. Scott White Media Production Manager

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Combs, Richard
We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing to the misuse and misunderstanding of "learning curve"? A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots of knowledge (Y axis) in a short period of time (X axis). Something that takes a long time to learn has a

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
Dennis and Scott make great points. I found the Adobe FrameMaker Classroom In A Book to be a great introduction, but it wasn't really until I started converting Word docs to FM docs and creating templates that I started to feel comfy working in the FM environment. One important thing for

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
Perhaps you meant "Editorially yours"...? LOL! You're priceless, Richard. :-) Rene L. StephensonThere's no such thing as "good writing"?only good revising. - Original Message From: "Combs, Richard" To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, April

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea. Deirdre On 4/30/08, Combs, Richard wrote: > We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing > to the misuse and misunderstanding of "learning curve"? > > A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots of

site down

2008-04-30 Thread Bill Swallow
It's been down for months. But never fear, it'll be back up "Monday"... We just don't know which Monday yet. ;-) On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:49 AM, bryan johnson wrote: > let me apologize first as i'm sure this question has been asked and > answered... > > What is the story concerning the

site down

2008-04-30 Thread Milan Davidovic
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Bill Swallow wrote: > It's been down for months. But never fear, it'll be back up > "Monday"... We just don't know which Monday yet. ;-) Is there an "official" date that it has been down since? Just curious... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com

Scripting - The Update command...

2008-04-30 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Stephen, As Tammy said, we had some problems getting text insets to update programmatically through FrameScript. The solution was code to actually reimport the text insets. This isn't the most efficient approach, but it works. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Scott Prentice
As usual .. an interesting writeup on this in Wikipedia .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve Apparently there is some disagreement over this one [according to the author]. Cheers! ...scott Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea. > > Deirdre

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
> Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame > 5 manual was the last to be > produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is > a lot better than the current > offering (although I've not seen a FrameMaker 8 manual.) The FrameMaker 8

OT: Monitor for color correction

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
Hi, all, I recently had the fun experience of having lightning strike. It blew out the phone and cable lines, and took out computers, all the network boxes, TVs, and lots of other electronic equipment. Some jacks were blown out of the walls and even knobs got blown off of a clothes dryer! One

OT: Monitor for color correction

2008-04-30 Thread Art Campbell
I've been shopping too, although just fro general upgrade because my CRTs are near the end of their lives. The key thing to look for is an LCD that supports a wide color space -- as close to AdobeRGB (assuming that's your default) as possible. And also look at the menu controls -- not all LEDs

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
Maybe the should outsource the manual to someone on this list. ;-) Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Mike Wickham To: Lester C. Smalley ; framers at frameusers.com; Steve Rickaby Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:00:10 PM Subject: Re: Learning

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Gold
Search the Web for "generative understanding" and "generative learning." The problem with the common time vs. attempts vs. progress learning curve model is that it's applied to a single simple task. It "charts" very well, but it's not a reliable model outside a lab experiment. Generative

OT: Monitor for color correction

2008-04-30 Thread Scott Prentice
I can't comment on the color-correctness of it .. but I recently bought a "refurbished" (by Apple) 20" Cinema Display, and *love* it. They go for $499 (free shipping) .. and come up from time to time on the Apple website. I needed to get a new display adapter that supported DVI (Radeon 9500 I

site down

2008-04-30 Thread Bill Swallow
Not that I know of. I seem to remember it being sometime last fall/winter. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Milan Davidovic wrote: > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Bill Swallow > wrote: > > It's been down for months. But never fear, it'll be back up > > "Monday"... We just don't know

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation. Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2) I was using an expression -- an idiom! -- to articulate my opinion. 3) While curves and charts and graphs do have technical meaning, that meaning doesn't take

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
ps I forgot to stick out my tongue at the end of that message. *pleeebt* Deirdre /rant On 4/30/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation. > > Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2) > I was using an expression -- an

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
>>The FrameMaker 8 manual is worse, because there isn't one-- at least, no >>hard copy is included or sold >>separately. Adobe does include a file on the CD that you can print and >>bind yourself, but sheesh. It's >>over 1000 pages and awkward to print and bind in an office. I'm thinking

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread azdunc...@triad.rr.com
One of the best books for FrameMaker that I have in my collection is: The Masters Series: FrameMaker 6 by Thomas Neuburger. You can order this from Amazon or http://www.twelfthnight.com/. Even though it does not cover 7 or 8 you will get a LOT of use out of this one. Z Mike Wickham

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Gold
> > So there is no proper hyperlinked online guide either? > > Yes, there's online help, but it's nice to have a book you can read away > from the computer. Also, the help files that come with various Adobe > programs are not (in my opinion) well done. There have been countless times > when

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)
Of course, they should. But (tying this to another thread) if FrameUsers.com ever came back, perhaps we could start a list-members-only wiki. I mean, who better than us to start such a thing? Mike McCallister -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com