Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their 
top-end notebooks with Vista downgrade to Windows XP  as an optional OS.

My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w 
available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when 
you consider its value with respect to salaries and time.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 01:06 PM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a 
lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one 
of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a 
complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was 
such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the 
computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a 
Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without looking back.


Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rene

Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based 
laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows 
XP. In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With 
brand new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find 
XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get 
one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose 
to avoid VISTA.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

I know what you mean. My largest client's IT UBER-POLICY  steers way too many 
decisions in my home computing due to our client relationship. If I had *time* 
to do it, I'd go pick up all the networking and Cisco certs I could get my 
hands on, just so that I could get this stuff jiving the way I need it to work. 
They're rolling out Office 2007 on site, and most of the workers initially 
gripe about the interface but then find that it's more like hopping into a tub 
of hot water: if you sit there long enough, it doesn't *feel* hot anymore.

When I was helping my manager at that site configure his user interface, I saw 
a setting to use the classic office menus rather than the 2007 ribbon 
menus, and using that setting plus changing his default file type for save 
operations has helped him a lot. Me? Oh, I bought Office 2007 when I could get 
it from a friend as an OEM offering, loving the discount. Of course, now I find 
out that OEM means you can't ever upgrade that copy, so I'm starting to feel 
like I got taken, but hey, it's buyer beware, I guess.

It's hard to  figure out what's really going to work for me from a cost and 
productivity standpoint with so many variables and dependencies in play, 
knowing that the wrong decision would be a permanent pain in the kiester.

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Our vehement petition for a stay of
execution may be ignored in favor of the IT UBER-POLICY, unless we can
come up with a compromise.

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Re: degree symbol

[Rene Stephenson]

Wow, where to start...(inserting tongue in cheek). Help's help isn't helpful 
because:

1. The help author got boxed into using PDF output to try to 
demonstrate the power of PDF, when in reality it just reveals the extent of 
its limitations when you try to make a purse from a sow's ear.
2. The help author had too short of a timeline or too many overlapping 
deadlines or lack of access to the product in enough time to create the help 
content in time for delivery by frozen load deadline, because you can always do 
the same amount of work with fewer resources and never lose anything in the 
deliverable.

3. Perhaps the help author isn't a technical writer who has been 
trained in usability, audience analysis, etc., because anyone can write and 
anyone who can grasp technology and put together an email must be qualified to 
be a technical writer.

4. The help author's boss is more interested in saying yes to the 
project manager and product manager than in trusting what the qualified, 
well-trained, and seasoned help author advised would be the end result for the 
customer/user.
HA HA HA

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Framer's List 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:59:31 PM
Subject: Re: degree symbol

Alt 0176 works indeed!  But I have to be on the number pad, not the
numbers across the top of the keyboard.

Anyone know why Help's help isn't helpful?

Deirdre

On 6/19/08, Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deirdre you crack me up :D

 On a PC I think you hold down alt and press 0176 (on a Mac at the moment so
 can't test it).

 Alan


 On 20/06/2008, at 9:38 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 
  quick question -- FM 8.0 XP
 
  I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).
 
  Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.
 
  Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.
 
  \degree with return gives me \degree
  and a paragraph mark.
 
  lol
 
  Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?
 
  Thanks!
 
  Deirdre
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Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Jeff Schweiner]

Hi,

 

I'm looking for a complete list of what gets imported when doing a File - 
Import - Formats  - Document Properties. 

 

I'm running FM8 Windows.  I looked at the FM8 User Guide, but I don't believe 
the list provided on page 417  is complete.  For example, information set under 
File - File Info gets imported, but is not listed in the User Guide.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

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The Mystery Wrap

[Dodd, Frank J]

 When converting a framemaker document to an adobe PDF I suddenly get
sentences that wrap onto the next line. 
The only item I can attribute this to is the fact that adobe converts
all the Helvetica fonts in my FM file to Times new roman 
Does anybody have any idea :
Why the change to another font?
Why the mystery wrap?
How to change all the fonts in every style to Arial in one fell swoop?

Frank
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special characters frame to webworks

[Patrick Fortino]

Hi,

I am using Frame 8 win xp and the latest webwork epublisher and  
webworks help 5.0. I have several kinds of special characters I need  
to convert to the help system. Some are greek characters, some  
equation symbols. Anyone know how to get these from Frame to webworks  
help 5.0?

Thanks

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Re: FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

[rinch]

Dov,

Thank you for taking the time to write your e-mails to the Framers E-Mail 
List. Your insight and helpfulness is always greatly appreciated.

Your comment, Large enterprises are notoriously slow in changing their 
standard software configurations certainly hits home with me. As a 
manager in a large enterprise, I've been trying to upgrade from FrameMaker 
6 for years now. Sometimes I think we will never upgrade, no matter how 
well I present my arguments to do so. It all boils down to money and 
customer satisfaction. My customers are very happy with my manuals, and 
upper management is loathe to spend money to improve a process that 
currently works very well.

Obviously, you are a tremendous proposal writer. How you justified the 
computer system you use (and a 30 monitor no less) is nothing short of 
amazing to me. If I were to put in a request for such a system, I probably 
could hear my IS department laughing even though we are at opposite ends 
of the building.

Again, thank you for taking the time to monitor and respond to the Framers 
E-Mail List

Richard

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FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and ...lost image data

[Brian Weis]

Hi folks:

Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  An internal error occurred
while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved,
but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
Support.


I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
break the cycle by clicking No in the save prompt. Contrary to the error
message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I am
able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.

How do I know this?

In the directory where my source Frame doc is located, I see a set of
garbage files -- that is, files that my system does not recognize by
filename extension. I recognize them as copies of my source doc ... but with
different extensions (e.g., .BE7, .75F). These files have date/time stamps
right around the time I was trying to save my changes. Right clicking on one
of these files, and specifying FrameMaker to open it, I find a version of my
document with the most recent set of changes ... but the Visio object is now
grayed out in its inline frame.

Just to be clear, I am using Visio object to refer to an graphic that I
have inserted by copying the elements from the original Visio drawing and
then pasting them into an inline frame in FrameMaker. I did not use the
Import File option.

I did some more testing with a copy of my now-recovered source document.
While playing with different ways to insert/paste the Visio work, and
accessing Visio work in other documents by right-clicking them and selecting
Visio Object from the pop-up menu, Framemaker eventually detected a
serious problem and had to quit. This error dialog called out a FrameLog
file (an error log) and instructed me to send the file and a description of
what I did to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I have been using the paste method with Visio objects successfully for
almost two years. I realize it is not recommended, but I have never had an
issue until now. And it looks like my previous documents that have one or
more Visio objects inserted in this fashion will suffer the same problem. At
least, all such files I have tested exhibit the same problem -- even just
opening a file that has a Visio object will subject it to this problem.

I sent all the info and the error messages (a longer summary than I've
posted here) to Adobe around 6pm last night. I have not heard from them, and
I probably should not expect to. I have searched Adobe Support for info on
Visio, Internal Error 7204, and other things, but have not found anything
helpful. So I come to you in the Frame using community. Has anyone here
copy/paste Visio into Frame? Have you ever come across this problem? Do you
know a solution?

Thanks in advance.

--
Brian Weis
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Re: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and ...lost image data

[Art Campbell]

If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
managing objects in Frame go.

Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.

Or you can convert the Visio objects to PDF, PNG, or other graphic
files and import them by reference.

May want to nag Microsoft some, if you think that would have an effect. ;- )

Of course, if you're not using XP and haven't installed SP3, something
else is at work, but I didn't see any system or FM version details in
your post. Which would be important in solving the problem if it is
something else.

Art

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  An internal error occurred
 while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved,
 but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
 Support.


 I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
 prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
 break the cycle by clicking No in the save prompt. Contrary to the error
 message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
 changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I am
 able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.


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Re: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and ...lost image data

[Rene Stephenson]

OK, so to tie in with another thread: if you go with a PC so you can run FM 
current version in native OS, stick with XP SP2...? Gotcha.

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
managing objects in Frame go.

Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.

...Art
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Re: Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Jeff:

I haven't tested this, but you might try it and let us know:

* Create an empty MIF file (see the MIF Reference PDF in the
FrameMaker directory).
* Create a new blank FM file.
* Open the MIF file in FM.
* Import formats from the FM file - perhaps one at a time, or all at
once. ***See note below
* Save the receiving file to a new name as MIF.
* Open the MIF file in a text editor, or in FM by holding Ctrl while
choosing Open, then choose Text.
* Examine the MIF to see what properties have been imported.

*** You can save the MIF files of individual-property imports with
identifying names, and compare them with File  Utilities  Compare
Documents for some clues about exactly what comes in with each type of
imported property.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Schweiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,



 I'm looking for a complete list of what gets imported when doing a File - 
 Import - Formats  - Document Properties.



 I'm running FM8 Windows.  I looked at the FM8 User Guide, but I don't believe 
 the list provided on page 417  is complete.  For example, information set 
 under File - File Info gets imported, but is not listed in the User Guide.



 Thanks in advance,



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RE: The Mystery Wrap

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Hi Frank,
I suspect Distiller is changing your Helvetica to Times New Roman when
you PDF because you do not actually have the Helvetica font on your
system. It is likely residing on your physical printer and Windows is
making available in your Frame font menu. When you print to Adobe PDF,
or save as PDF, it cannot embed a font that is not on your system. Since
the default font for missing fonts is Times New Roman, that is what you
see in the finished PDF.
You need to make Adobe PDF your default printer in FrameMaker. Even if
you had Helvetica installed on your system, the wrapping issue might
persist. This is due to the difference in font metrics between Distiller
and the physical printer. Each interpret font widths and letter spacing
differently, causing lines to wrap unexpectedly.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dodd, Frank J
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:45 PM
To: Framer's List
Subject: The Mystery Wrap


 When converting a framemaker document to an adobe PDF I suddenly get
sentences that wrap onto the next line. 
The only item I can attribute this to is the fact that adobe converts
all the Helvetica fonts in my FM file to Times new roman 
Does anybody have any idea :
Why the change to another font?
Why the mystery wrap?
How to change all the fonts in every style to Arial in one fell swoop?

Frank
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Stuart Rogers]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
They're
 rolling out Office 2007 on site, and most of the workers initially
 gripe about the interface but then find that it's more like hopping
 into a tub of hot water: if you sit there long enough, it doesn't
 *feel* hot anymore.


I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many years ago:  A crowd of cannibals 
with bones through their nostrils, gathered round a huge cauldron set 
over a fire.  In the cauldron, three pith-helmeted white explorers 
lounging, elbows resting on the rim.  Says one to the other two, The 
chief's right!  The first few minutes *are* very relaxing.

Welcome to Office 2007!  ;-)

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Toronto, ON, Canada
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Re: Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Jeff,

See the screenshot at

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/importformatsspecial/

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



 Hi,



 I'm looking for a complete list of what gets imported when doing a File - 
 Import - Formats  - Document Properties.



 I'm running FM8 Windows.  I looked at the FM8 User Guide, but I don't 
 believe the list provided on page 417  is complete.  For example, 
 information set under File - File Info gets imported, but is not listed 
 in the User Guide.



 Thanks in advance,



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 Hardware Engineering Writer

 Cray Inc.

 (715) 726-4801

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RE: Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Mike Bradley]

Get ImportFormatsSpecial from Carmen Publishing. It's a low-cost replacement for
the standard Import Formats window that gives you complete control over
everything that can be imported. It comes in very handy when I have to update
only one or two formats, such as user variables, without changing other formats.

= mike bradley
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Re: degree symbol

[Stuart Rogers]

Shuttleworth, Roger wrote:
 The Character Sets PDF available from the Help menu lists the following for 
 Windows:
 
 Alt 0176  Symbol font CrtlQ, 0 - but gives it an infinity symbol!
 
 Alternatively, I find you can use Ctrl-Q,{ in the standard font (I'm using 
 Stone Serif).
   
 

Careful -- these shortcuts in FM are case-sensitive, and the symbols are 
not identical.

The first key combination is CTRL + q (lowercase, not Q).
Following that with a curly bracket produces the Ring symbol (an accent 
used in some languages).
Following CTRL + q with a less-than sign produces the degree symbol.

(If you type one after the other, you'll see there is a difference in 
appearance between the ring and the degree symbols.)

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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Re: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and ...lost image data

[Lise Bible]

I had similar error messages with Frame files with OLE links to Excel
spreadsheets, but mostly randomly--sometimes I had the Excel file open by
mistake, and that might have triggered it, I'm not sure. I could never find
the exact cause. Was running Frame 7.1 on XP, SP2.

A colleague told me she got those errors all the time (same OLE links to
Excel files). She's going to be upgrading to Frame 8, but she's getting a
new computer as well, so there are too many variables there to narrow down
one cause if it ends up fixing her problem.

Have upgraded to Frame 8, still XP, SP2. Haven't had it that long, but I
haven't had any error messages so far. Doesn't mean that the upgrade fixed
the problem, though.

Using PDF's or graphics isn't a good fix for me, because we're linking to
parts lists that appear in the product manual and a separate parts book for
the entire product line. The advantage of OLE links to the Excel files is
that it's always linked to the latest and greatest version.

So thanks for the heads-up about SP3. I don't know if our IS dept. will be
rolling that out soon or not. Fortunately, I don't believe there are any
imminent plans to upgrade us to Vista.

-Lise

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
 forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
 topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
 fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
 managing objects in Frame go.

 Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.

 Or you can convert the Visio objects to PDF, PNG, or other graphic
 files and import them by reference.

 May want to nag Microsoft some, if you think that would have an effect. ;-
 )

 Of course, if you're not using XP and haven't installed SP3, something
 else is at work, but I didn't see any system or FM version details in
 your post. Which would be important in solving the problem if it is
 something else.

 Art

 On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  An internal error occurred
  while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been
 saved,
  but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
  Support.
 
 
  I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
  prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
  break the cycle by clicking No in the save prompt. Contrary to the
 error
  message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
  changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I
 am
  able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.
 

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Re: The Mystery Wrap

[Stuart Rogers]

Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) wrote:
 Hi Frank,
 I suspect Distiller is changing your Helvetica to Times New Roman when
 you PDF because you do not actually have the Helvetica font on your
 system. It is likely residing on your physical printer and Windows is
 making available in your Frame font menu. When you print to Adobe PDF,
 or save as PDF, it cannot embed a font that is not on your system. Since
 the default font for missing fonts is Times New Roman, that is what you
 see in the finished PDF.
 You need to make Adobe PDF your default printer in FrameMaker. Even if
 you had Helvetica installed on your system, the wrapping issue might
 persist. This is due to the difference in font metrics between Distiller
 and the physical printer. Each interpret font widths and letter spacing
 differently, causing lines to wrap unexpectedly.
 

Frank,

In addition to Bernie's comments, you might want to install the SetPrint 
plug-in from Sundorne, which will make the Distiller printer your 
default within FM, without changing it in your other applications. 
(Free and highly recommended.)

http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm

Alternatively, you may be able to change a setting in your physical 
printer's driver to prevent it from reporting its fonts to Windows.  Our 
old Lexmark had such a setting, but I'm sure it varies in 
name/location/availability by manufacturer and model.

You also asked how to change all fonts in every [tag] to Arial in one 
fell swoop.

The only way I know of is to save the file as MIF, open in a text 
editor, and do a search/replace, then save and reopen in FM.  HOWEVER, 
you must take into account the possible variations in your font names 
for bold, bolded, oblique, obliqued, etc.  There's room for much 
complication, depending on the fonts.  The names must be exactly 
correct, or FM will report fonts not found.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Re: The Mystery Wrap

[Peter Gold]

Art said:

 The easier way to change all tags to Arial would be to go into Para
 Designer, set the font to Arial, and then do Commands   Global Update
 Options   FontProperties/All Para and Chara Entries.

 (I'd make a backup copy first... CYA.)

I'd add: either click in a margin whitespace area, or choose Commands
 Set Window to As Is, to assure that you're only changing the font
name.

HTH

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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Dov Isaacs]

The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost
isn't particularly bad. And if you take care of it and can get four
years of service out of it (typically what I get out of my notebook
systems), the extra cost per day compared to el'cheapo configurations
is really minimum. Oh, BTW, I would not recommend XP on the 8710w
given its fairly new peripherals that are not particularly well
supported under Vista. (Also, multiple core / multiple core processors
are better utilized by Vista than Windows XP!)

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer
 Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:08 PM

 As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their
 top-end notebooks with Vista downgrade to Windows XP  as an optional OS.

 My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w
 available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when
 you consider its value with respect to salaries and time.

 Dennis Brunnenmeyer
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Re: FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

[Rene Stephenson]

Dov,

It never seems that thank you is sufficient for what you contribute.

Shalom, 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Framers E-mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:36:51 PM
Subject: FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

A number of issues associated with Windows have been discussed on this forum
today with relationship to FrameMaker on Windows, Windows itself, running
Windows on MacTel systems with either Bootcamp or Parallels, Vista, and Vista 
64.

I was somewhat otherwise occupied when those messages came in and couldn't reply
at the time, but now that I have a few minutes, I thought I would try to kill a
few stones with one bird, so to speak:

(1) WRT/ running FrameMaker 8 (with all current updates) on Vista 64 ...
the system requirements for FrameMaker 8 are mute with regards to support
for 64-bit versions of Windows. It does not say we don't support Vista 64
or for that matter, XP 64. My main desktop system in my office is currently
a Dell Precision Workstation T5400 with dual Xeon 3 ghz quad core processors,
8 GB of main memory, 600 GB of 15000rpm SAS (serially attached SCSI) disk
storage, and a 30 Dell 3007 monitor (2560 x 1600 pixels). It is running
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit with Service Pack 1. I have encountered no
problems running FrameMaker 8.0.4 in that environment that I would not have
encountered under Windows XP 32-bit. This is true with BOTH Acrobat Pro 8 and
Acrobat Pro Extended 9 (available soon to the public). In other words, not
only does save as PDF work under Vista 64-bit and Acrobat 8, but there are
no further compatibility problems with Acrobat 9!

Note that under Vista 64, FrameMaker runs as a 32-bit application. There is
absolutely no performance penalty for this (contrary to popular belief).
Although FrameMaker does not take advantage of any 64-bit optimizations
running in this mode, it does gain by (a) a full address space to run under
and (b) the system's ability to use much more real memory which results in
less paging operations to disk. This is especially important if when running
FrameMaker, you also have an e-mail window and few browser windows open and
perhaps are running Photoshop and/or Illustrator in parallel with FrameMaker.

(2) WRT/ Vista itself, I neither own stock in Microsoft nor do I have any
love for their products, but I personally think that Vista has gotten a
bummer rap than it deserves. In having used Vista on two desktop systems
(one 32-bit and the other 64-bit) and one notebook system, I have generally
found it to be quite robust and if you know how to make appropriate system
adjustments (both to the user interface and the infamous UAC - turn it off),
it is really no more quirky than Windows XP, just different quirks! Many of
the complaints are coming from enterprise users:

(a) Too many promises of OS improvements were promised by Microsoft
with Vista, but relatively few, except for security features, were 
actually
delivered. Enterprise users were looking for sustentative improvements,
not fluff. Features such as Aero windows styles and XPS have zilch 
value
in terms of enterprise productivity.

(b) Enterprise users felt HAD by Microsoft's software maintenance
program introduced at the time of Windows XP that required enterprise
users to pay expensive maintenance fees every year for the right to
upgrade to the next version of Windows and Office that were delayed
several years beyond the point when expected.

(c) Many of the fixes in Service Pack 1, especially those related to
performance and file copying performance, should have been made 
available
at least six months earlier than they were. For that matter, those
problems should not have made it out the door.

(d) The Vista Ultimate versions never delivered on Microsoft's 
promise
of extra goodies available on a regular basis.

(e) Microsoft spent too much time pressuring peripheral makers on 
issues
such as forcing XPS, Microsoft's new color management system, the new
Microsoft image format, and Microsoft job tickets (none of which turned 
out
to be relevant to the vast majority of Windows or Vista users) down 
their
throats as opposed to simply providing Vista-compatible drivers. Thus, 
in
many cases, new drivers, especially for non-PostScript printers and 
older
scanners (and similar peripherals) were slow in coming if at all!

(f) Large enterprises are notoriously slow in changing their 
standard
software configurations. Many such enterprises have only begun to no 
longer
automatically load Windows 2000 on their computers, much less Vista. At 
Adobe
we continually have to deal with large customers who are only beginning 
to
migrate their corporate 

Windows XP will be sold till Jan. 31, 2009

[Deborah Wible]

According to http://tinyurl.com/3sdd2h http://tinyurl.com/3sdd2h  
(full URL:
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2008/06/17/231094/windows-xp-avai
lability-to-be-extended-microsoft-says.htm) 
Windows XP will still be available through January 31, 2009, although
not from major retailers.
 
Today's listings have been VERY informative, especially Dov's. Thanks
all!
 
Adobe really should consider re-porting Frame to Mac.
 
--Deb Wible
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Re: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and ...lost image data

[Brian Weis]

I just wanted to express my thanks to Art Campbell. I removed SP3 from my
machine and I once again have full Visio pasting functionality.

I did post a comment on Microsoft's website under the SP3 write-up regarding
this issue. It's not a nag, but at least I let them know their update was
causing problems.

Thanks again, Art!

--
Brian Weis


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From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and ...lost image data
To: Brian Weis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
managing objects in Frame go.

Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.

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Re: Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Rene Stephenson]

I have been using Rick's ImportFormatsSpecial plugin for a couple of years now, 
and my clients liked it so much they bought it, too. It has really helped us be 
more efficient and accurate in this area of FM...can't say enough good things 
about it!!!

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jeff Schweiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:51:59 AM
Subject: Re: Import Formats -  Document Properties List

Hi Jeff,

See the screenshot at

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/importformatsspecial/

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



 Hi,



 I'm looking for a complete list of what gets imported when doing a File - 
 Import - Formats  - Document Properties.



 I'm running FM8 Windows.  I looked at the FM8 User Guide, but I don't 
 believe the list provided on page 417  is complete.  For example, 
 information set under File - File Info gets imported, but is not listed 
 in the User Guide.



 Thanks in advance,



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 Hardware Engineering Writer

 Cray Inc.

 (715) 726-4801

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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless 
you're running Vista?

 
Rene L. Stephenson




- Original Message 
From: Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost
isn't particularly bad. And if you take care of it and can get four
years of service out of it (typically what I get out of my notebook
systems), the extra cost per day compared to el'cheapo configurations
is really minimum. Oh, BTW, I would not recommend XP on the 8710w
given its fairly new peripherals that are not particularly well
supported under Vista. (Also, multiple core / multiple core processors
are better utilized by Vista than Windows XP!)

- Dov
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Syed.Hosain]

 Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is
wasted unless you're running Vista?

Generally speaking, yes, with almost all of the Windows XP versions
(i.e., Windows XP 64-bit, of course!). You would need Vista 64-bit to
get more than 4GB.

Also, note that, in many cases, there are BIOS (and other uses) of that
memory space as well (for example, video card memory) in that fourth gig
of address space.

Note that there are *other* OS's (64-bit Solaris, etc.) that can run on
these systems and use more memory than 4GB.

Z
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Dov Isaacs]

Depending upon how much memory is on you video card and the size of various
system BIOS and memory mapped i/o device card buffers, most if not all of the
memory space above 3GB is unavailable for mapping of real memory both for
XP and Vista 32-bit versions. It is the 64-bit versions of Vista on 64-bit 
versions of
Intel and AMD processors that removes that restriction. In other words, Vista 32
won't help you on this.

- Dov

From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:16 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Dennis Brunnenmeyer; FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless 
you're running Vista?

Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost
isn't particularly bad. And if you take care of it and can get four
years of service out of it (typically what I get out of my notebook
systems), the extra cost per day compared to el'cheapo configurations
is really minimum. Oh, BTW, I would not recommend XP on the 8710w
given its fairly new peripherals that are not particularly well
supported under Vista. (Also, multiple core / multiple core processors
are better utilized by Vista than Windows XP!)

- Dov

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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Syed.Hosain]

  Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is
 wasted unless you're running Vista?
 
 Generally speaking, yes, with almost all of the Windows XP versions
 (i.e., Windows XP 64-bit, of course!). You would need Vista 64-bit to
 get more than 4GB.

Argh! Above, I meant to say EXCEPT windows XP 64-bit, of course!. Of
course, I would not recommend Windows XP 64-bit right now ... would be
better to go with Vista 64-bit since drivers are more likely to be made
available for that!

Z

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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Trialware/shovelware is a PITA, just one more thing to muddle through when you 
buy a computer, as if installing all the gobs of software and plugins that you 
really DO need and twiddling with all the UI settings isn't timeconsuming 
enough—which is precisely why my new desktop is still in the box a month after 
I bought it:  too many deadlines and obligations to fit into waking hours and 
still have time for PC configuration.

 
Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Mike Wickham [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rene,

\It'll eliminate the junk trialware, too.

Mike Wickham
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Re: newbie goof

[Rene Stephenson]

If you haven't hit save since then, you might try renaming the .backup.fm file 
to a different name and open that as a way to get back to the pre-goof point. 
Alternatively, if you have ANY other documents or templates that have the new 
Code text tag, you can import it via CleanImport and map it to the old Code 
tag.

HTH 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:54:45 AM
Subject: newbie goof

I made a newbie mistake this morning. I needed to change text that had
formatting from a deleted character tag. The old tag was Code. The new
tag is Code text. I opened the replace dialog and configured it. As
soon as I hit the button, I knew what happened. I had created a loop
that performed almost 2 million changes before I could get to the escape
key.





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character formatting and x-ref'd text

[Milan Davidovic]

File A has a paragraph. Some text in this paragraph is formatted with
a character tag. In File B, I create a $paratext type x-ref to bring
in this paragraph. The character formatting, however, doesn't appear.
Files A and B have indentical formats, etc. (imported from A into B
just to make sure).

I'm looking at some legacy document in which the character formatting
does come across in the x-ref'd text, but I can't see how to make it
happen in my File B. What can I check to see where the difference is
between the two?

Many thanks...

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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

XP or VISTA; SAUNA or SOUP; that *is* the question.
Well, whether amphibian or adventurer we're still swimming in the
cauldron of our own demise.

Seriously, I feel MUCH better about all this Frame/Vista stuff-thanx to
Dov's wise counsel-so I'll soak a bit longer 

Hey, I'm actually starting to smell pretty delicious!!

DJ
-Original Message-
From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:27 PM
To: Stuart Rogers
Cc: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC;
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Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Or the old adage that to boil a frog, you put it in a pot of cold water
and turn up the heat gradually, because the frog will pass out before it
notices the increased temperature.
Not that frog soup is on my menu

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many years ago:  A crowd of cannibals 
with bones through their nostrils, gathered round a huge cauldron set 
over a fire.  In the cauldron, three pith-helmeted white explorers 
lounging, elbows resting on the rim.  Says one to the other two, The 
chief's right!  The first few minutes *are* very relaxing.

Welcome to Office 2007!  ;-)


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RE: FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

[Dov Isaacs]

There is no big secret as to how I justify my configurations. It is fairly 
simple.

(1) I buy systems that I plan to use as primary systems for approximately 
four
years although Adobe's corporate policy allows engineers to replace systems on a
two or three year basis. I would rather have a system now that really screams 
and
that in four years from only begins to show its age in terms of performance.

(2) I do much more that respond to e-mails or simply write. I do some fairly
compute and disk-intensive work with RIP software and graphically-intensive 
documents
with InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop all while monitoring e-mail and 
various web sites.
You need muscle machines (except for the video card) for to reasonably 
accomplish this.

(3) When you consider the cost differential of a muscle system versus a 
wimp system
on a cost per day basis, especially if I use the system for four years, the 
extra cost is really
not a big issue. Unfortunately, most DIlbertian pointy-haired managers and 
bean counter
types can't see beyond the tips of their noses when it comes to looking at long 
term cost
issues like this.

(4) I never beg for my configuration - I tell'em what I need!   :)

- Dov



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Subject: Re: FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today


Dov,

Thank you for taking the time to write your e-mails to the Framers E-Mail
List. Your insight and helpfulness is always greatly appreciated.

Your comment, Large enterprises are notoriously slow in changing their
standard software configurations certainly hits home with me. As a
manager in a large enterprise, I've been trying to upgrade from FrameMaker
6 for years now. Sometimes I think we will never upgrade, no matter how
well I present my arguments to do so. It all boils down to money and
customer satisfaction. My customers are very happy with my manuals, and
upper management is loathe to spend money to improve a process that
currently works very well.

Obviously, you are a tremendous proposal writer. How you justified the
computer system you use (and a 30 monitor no less) is nothing short of
amazing to me. If I were to put in a request for such a system, I probably
could hear my IS department laughing even though we are at opposite ends
of the building.

Again, thank you for taking the time to monitor and respond to the Framers
E-Mail List

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RE: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and ...lost image data

[Dov Isaacs]

For better or worse, if you simply mailed in the report to Adobe,
don't expect a personal if any response. That mechanism is not
Adobe Tech Support.

For future reference, regardless of what program you publish with
copy-and-paste is about the worst way to set yourself up for disaster
in case your document get lost or mangled.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Weis
 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:36 AM

 Hi folks:

 Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  An internal error occurred
 while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved,
 but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
 Support.


 I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
 prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
 break the cycle by clicking No in the save prompt. Contrary to the error
 message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
 changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I am
 able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.

 How do I know this?

 In the directory where my source Frame doc is located, I see a set of
 garbage files -- that is, files that my system does not recognize by
 filename extension. I recognize them as copies of my source doc ... but with
 different extensions (e.g., .BE7, .75F). These files have date/time stamps
 right around the time I was trying to save my changes. Right clicking on one
 of these files, and specifying FrameMaker to open it, I find a version of my
 document with the most recent set of changes ... but the Visio object is now
 grayed out in its inline frame.

 Just to be clear, I am using Visio object to refer to an graphic that I
 have inserted by copying the elements from the original Visio drawing and
 then pasting them into an inline frame in FrameMaker. I did not use the
 Import File option.

 I did some more testing with a copy of my now-recovered source document.
 While playing with different ways to insert/paste the Visio work, and
 accessing Visio work in other documents by right-clicking them and selecting
 Visio Object from the pop-up menu, Framemaker eventually detected a
 serious problem and had to quit. This error dialog called out a FrameLog
 file (an error log) and instructed me to send the file and a description of
 what I did to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I have been using the paste method with Visio objects successfully for
 almost two years. I realize it is not recommended, but I have never had an
 issue until now. And it looks like my previous documents that have one or
 more Visio objects inserted in this fashion will suffer the same problem. At
 least, all such files I have tested exhibit the same problem -- even just
 opening a file that has a Visio object will subject it to this problem.

 I sent all the info and the error messages (a longer summary than I've
 posted here) to Adobe around 6pm last night. I have not heard from them, and
 I probably should not expect to. I have searched Adobe Support for info on
 Visio, Internal Error 7204, and other things, but have not found anything
 helpful. So I come to you in the Frame using community. Has anyone here
 copy/paste Visio into Frame? Have you ever come across this problem? Do you
 know a solution?

 Thanks in advance.

 --
 Brian Weis
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Pop-up on hypertext in a pdf document

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I was wondering: in a pdf document generated from FM, can you have a pop-up 
appear by clicking on a hypertext link (or something else) set up in FM with I 
don't know which setting?

I'm using FM 7.2 on Windows XP / Acrobat 7.0.

Thank you for your help,

Mathieu.

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degree symbol

[Alan Litchfield]

It's a guy thing ;)

On 20/06/2008, at 9:59 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> Alt 0176 works indeed!  But I have to be on the number pad, not the
> numbers across the top of the keyboard.
>
> Anyone know why Help's help isn't helpful?
>
> Deirdre
>
> On 6/19/08, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
>> Deirdre you crack me up :D
>>
>> On a PC I think you hold down alt and press 0176 (on a Mac at the  
>> moment so
>> can't test it).
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On 20/06/2008, at 9:38 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> quick question -- FM 8.0 XP
>>>
>>> I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).
>>>
>>> Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.
>>>
>>> Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.
>>>
>>> \degree with return gives me \degree
>>> and a paragraph mark.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Deirdre
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their 
top-end notebooks with "Vista downgrade to Windows XP"  as an optional OS.

My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w 
available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when 
you consider its value with respect to salaries and time.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 01:06 PM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
>You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a 
>lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one 
>of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a 
>complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was 
>such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the 
>computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a 
>Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without looking back.
>
>
>Rene L. Stephenson
>
>
>- Original Message 
>From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer 
>
>Rene
>
>Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based 
>laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows 
>XP. In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With 
>brand new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find 
>XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get 
>one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose 
>to avoid VISTA.
>
>Dennis Brunnenmeyer
>***

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Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
15019 Rattlesnake Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
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Fax:  (530) 477-9085
Mobile: (530) 320-9025
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Art Campbell]

And there are hundreds of Dell laptops with XP in their Outlet store,
which is always my favorite spot for saving a few bucks while
shopping.

Art

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
 wrote:
> As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their
> top-end notebooks with "Vista downgrade to Windows XP"  as an optional OS.
>
> My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w
> available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when
> you consider its value with respect to salaries and time.
>
> Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> ***
> At 01:06 PM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
>>You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a
>>lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one
>>of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a
>>complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was
>>such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the
>>computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a
>>Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without looking back.
>>
>>
>>Rene L. Stephenson
>>
>>
>>- Original Message 
>>From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer 
>>
>>Rene
>>
>>Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based
>>laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows
>>XP. In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With
>>brand new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find
>>XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get
>>one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose
>>to avoid VISTA.
>>
>>Dennis Brunnenmeyer
>>***
>
> Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> Director of Engineering
> CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
> 15019 Rattlesnake Road
> Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
> Office: (530) 477-9015
> Fax:  (530) 477-9085
> Mobile: (530) 320-9025
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degree symbol

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

The Character Sets PDF available from the Help menu lists the following for 
Windows:

Alt 0176Symbol font CrtlQ, 0 - but gives it an infinity symbol!

Alternatively, I find you can use Ctrl-Q,{ in the standard font (I'm using 
Stone Serif).


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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
Sent: June 19, 2008 6:01 PM
To: Deirdre Reagan
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: degree symbol

It's a guy thing ;)

On 20/06/2008, at 9:59 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> Alt 0176 works indeed!  But I have to be on the number pad, not the
> numbers across the top of the keyboard.
>
> Anyone know why Help's help isn't helpful?
>
> Deirdre
>
> On 6/19/08, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
>> Deirdre you crack me up :D
>>
>> On a PC I think you hold down alt and press 0176 (on a Mac at the  
>> moment so
>> can't test it).
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On 20/06/2008, at 9:38 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> quick question -- FM 8.0 XP
>>>
>>> I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).
>>>
>>> Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.
>>>
>>> Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.
>>>
>>> \degree with return gives me \degree
>>> and a paragraph mark.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Deirdre
>>> ___
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

I know what you mean. My largest client's IT UBER-POLICY  steers way too many 
decisions in my home computing due to our client relationship. If I had *time* 
to do it, I'd go pick up all the networking and Cisco certs I could get my 
hands on, just so that I could get this stuff jiving the way I need it to work. 
They're rolling out Office 2007 on site, and most of the workers initially 
gripe about the interface but then find that it's more like hopping into a tub 
of hot water: if you sit there long enough, it doesn't *feel* hot anymore.

When I was helping my manager at that site configure his user interface, I saw 
a setting to use the "classic" office menus rather than the 2007 "ribbon" 
menus, and using that setting plus changing his default file type for save 
operations has helped him a lot. Me? Oh, I bought Office 2007 when I could get 
it from a friend as an OEM offering, loving the discount. Of course, now I find 
out that OEM means you can't ever upgrade that copy, so I'm starting to feel 
like I got taken, but hey, it's buyer beware, I guess.

It's hard to  figure out what's really going to work for me from a cost and 
productivity standpoint with so many variables and dependencies in play, 
knowing that the wrong decision would be a permanent pain in the kiester.


Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: "Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC" 


 Our vehement petition for a stay of
execution may be ignored in favor of the IT UBER-POLICY, unless we can
come up with a compromise.

DJ Butler

degree symbol

[Rene Stephenson]

I have found that using Ext ASCII  (ALT+numpad combos) is a surer way to get 
the desired symbol to show in multiple outputs, but there are a few Ext ASCII 
key combos that MS interprets differently than Adobe. 


Rene L. Stephenson




- Original Message 
From: "Owen, Clint" 
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:46:17 PM
Subject: RE: degree symbol

Try ALT+ 0176 >>> ?


Clint

degree symbol

[Rene Stephenson]

Wow, where to start...(inserting tongue in cheek). Help's help isn't helpful 
because:

1. The help author got boxed into using PDF output to try to 
demonstrate the "power" of PDF, when in reality it just reveals the extent of 
its limitations when you try to make a purse from a sow's ear.
2. The help author had too short of a timeline or too many overlapping 
deadlines or lack of access to the product in enough time to create the help 
content in time for delivery by frozen load deadline, because you can always do 
the same amount of work with fewer resources and never lose anything in the 
deliverable.

3. Perhaps the help author isn't a technical writer who has been 
trained in usability, audience analysis, etc., because anyone can write and 
anyone who can grasp technology and put together an email must be qualified to 
be a technical writer.

4. The help author's boss is more interested in saying "yes" to the 
project manager and product manager than in trusting what the qualified, 
well-trained, and seasoned help author advised would be the end result for the 
customer/user.
HA HA HA


Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Deirdre Reagan 
To: Alan Litchfield ; Framer's List 
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:59:31 PM
Subject: Re: degree symbol

Alt 0176 works indeed!  But I have to be on the number pad, not the
numbers across the top of the keyboard.

Anyone know why Help's help isn't helpful?

Deirdre

On 6/19/08, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
> Deirdre you crack me up :D
>
> On a PC I think you hold down alt and press 0176 (on a Mac at the moment so
> can't test it).
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 20/06/2008, at 9:38 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> >
> > quick question -- FM 8.0 XP
> >
> > I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).
> >
> > Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.
> >
> > Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.
> >
> > \degree with return gives me \degree
> > and a paragraph mark.
> >
> > lol
> >
> > Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Deirdre
> > ___
> >
> >
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FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

[ri...@inficon.com]

Dov,

Thank you for taking the time to write your e-mails to the Framers E-Mail 
List. Your insight and helpfulness is always greatly appreciated.

Your comment, "Large enterprises are notoriously slow in changing their 
standard software configurations" certainly hits home with me. As a 
manager in a large enterprise, I've been trying to upgrade from FrameMaker 
6 for years now. Sometimes I think we will never upgrade, no matter how 
well I present my arguments to do so. It all boils down to money and 
customer satisfaction. My customers are very happy with my manuals, and 
upper management is loathe to spend money to improve a process that 
currently works very well.

Obviously, you are a tremendous proposal writer. How you justified the 
computer system you use (and a 30" monitor no less) is nothing short of 
amazing to me. If I were to put in a request for such a system, I probably 
could hear my IS department laughing even though we are at opposite ends 
of the building.

Again, thank you for taking the time to monitor and respond to the Framers 
E-Mail List

Richard

FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"

[Brian Weis]

Hi folks:

Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  "An internal error occurred
while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved,
but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
Support."


I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
break the cycle by clicking "No" in the save prompt. Contrary to the error
message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I am
able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.

How do I know this?

In the directory where my source Frame doc is located, I see a set of
"garbage" files -- that is, files that my system does not recognize by
filename extension. I recognize them as copies of my source doc ... but with
different extensions (e.g., .BE7, .75F). These files have date/time stamps
right around the time I was trying to save my changes. Right clicking on one
of these files, and specifying FrameMaker to open it, I find a version of my
document with the most recent set of changes ... but the Visio object is now
grayed out in its inline frame.

Just to be clear, I am using "Visio object" to refer to an graphic that I
have inserted by copying the elements from the original Visio drawing and
then pasting them into an inline frame in FrameMaker. I did not use the
"Import File" option.

I did some more testing with a copy of my now-recovered source document.
While playing with different ways to insert/paste the Visio work, and
accessing Visio work in other documents by right-clicking them and selecting
"Visio Object" from the pop-up menu, Framemaker eventually "detected a
serious problem" and had to quit. This error dialog called out a FrameLog
file (an error log) and instructed me to send the file and a description of
what I did to fmerror at adobe.com.


I have been using the paste method with Visio objects successfully for
almost two years. I realize it is not recommended, but I have never had an
issue until now. And it looks like my previous documents that have one or
more Visio objects inserted in this fashion will suffer the same problem. At
least, all such files I have tested exhibit the same problem -- even just
opening a file that has a Visio object will subject it to this problem.

I sent all the info and the error messages (a longer summary than I've
posted here) to Adobe around 6pm last night. I have not heard from them, and
I probably should not expect to. I have searched Adobe Support for info on
Visio, "Internal Error 7204", and other things, but have not found anything
helpful. So I come to you in the Frame using community. Has anyone here
copy/paste Visio into Frame? Have you ever come across this problem? Do you
know a solution?

Thanks in advance.

--
Brian Weis

FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"

[Art Campbell]

If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
managing objects in Frame go.

Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.

Or you can convert the Visio objects to PDF, PNG, or other graphic
files and import them by reference.

May want to nag Microsoft some, if you think that would have an effect. ;- )

Of course, if you're not using XP and haven't installed SP3, something
else is at work, but I didn't see any system or FM version details in
your post. Which would be important in solving the problem if it is
something else.

Art

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weis  
wrote:
> Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  "An internal error occurred
> while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved,
> but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
> Support."
>
>
> I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
> prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
> break the cycle by clicking "No" in the save prompt. Contrary to the error
> message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
> changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I am
> able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.


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 DoD 358

Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Jeff:

I haven't tested this, but you might try it and let us know:

* Create an empty MIF file (see the MIF Reference PDF in the
FrameMaker directory).
* Create a new blank FM file.
* Open the MIF file in FM.
* Import formats from the FM file - perhaps one at a time, or all at
once. ***See note below
* Save the receiving file to a new name as MIF.
* Open the MIF file in a text editor, or in FM by holding Ctrl while
choosing Open, then choose Text.
* Examine the MIF to see what properties have been imported.

*** You can save the MIF files of individual-property imports with
identifying names, and compare them with File > Utilities > Compare
Documents for some clues about exactly what comes in with each type of
imported property.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Schweiner  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I'm looking for a complete list of what gets imported when doing a File -> 
> Import -> Formats  -> Document Properties.
>
>
>
> I'm running FM8 Windows.  I looked at the FM8 User Guide, but I don't believe 
> the list provided on page 417  is complete.  For example, information set 
> under File -> File Info gets imported, but is not listed in the User Guide.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Schweiner
>
> Hardware Engineering Writer
>
> Cray Inc.
>
> (715) 726-4801
>

The Mystery Wrap

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Hi Frank,
I suspect Distiller is changing your Helvetica to Times New Roman when
you PDF because you do not actually have the Helvetica font on your
system. It is likely residing on your physical printer and Windows is
making available in your Frame font menu. When you print to Adobe PDF,
or save as PDF, it cannot embed a font that is not on your system. Since
the default font for missing fonts is Times New Roman, that is what you
see in the finished PDF.
You need to make Adobe PDF your default printer in FrameMaker. Even if
you had Helvetica installed on your system, the wrapping issue might
persist. This is due to the difference in font metrics between Distiller
and the physical printer. Each interpret font widths and letter spacing
differently, causing lines to wrap unexpectedly.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dodd, Frank J
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:45 PM
To: Framer's List
Subject: The Mystery Wrap


 When converting a framemaker document to an adobe PDF I suddenly get
sentences that wrap onto the next line. 
The only item I can attribute this to is the fact that adobe converts
all the Helvetica fonts in my FM file to Times new roman 
Does anybody have any idea :
Why the change to another font?
Why the mystery wrap?
How to change all the fonts in every style to Arial in one fell swoop?

Frank
___

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Stuart Rogers]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
>They're
> rolling out Office 2007 on site, and most of the workers initially
> gripe about the interface but then find that it's more like hopping
> into a tub of hot water: if you sit there long enough, it doesn't
> *feel* hot anymore.
>

I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many years ago:  A crowd of cannibals 
with bones through their nostrils, gathered round a huge cauldron set 
over a fire.  In the cauldron, three pith-helmeted white explorers 
lounging, elbows resting on the rim.  Says one to the other two, "The 
chief's right!  The first few minutes *are* very relaxing."

Welcome to Office 2007!  ;-)

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially
denied.

Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Jeff,

See the screenshot at

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/importformatsspecial/

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



> Hi,
>
>
>
> I'm looking for a complete list of what gets imported when doing a File -> 
> Import -> Formats  -> Document Properties.
>
>
>
> I'm running FM8 Windows.  I looked at the FM8 User Guide, but I don't 
> believe the list provided on page 417  is complete.  For example, 
> information set under File -> File Info gets imported, but is not listed 
> in the User Guide.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Schweiner
>
> Hardware Engineering Writer
>
> Cray Inc.
>
> (715) 726-4801

Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Mike Bradley]

Get ImportFormatsSpecial from Carmen Publishing. It's a low-cost replacement for
the standard Import Formats window that gives you complete control over
everything that can be imported. It comes in very handy when I have to update
only one or two formats, such as user variables, without changing other formats.

= mike bradley
  www.techpubs.com

degree symbol

[Stuart Rogers]

Shuttleworth, Roger wrote:
> The Character Sets PDF available from the Help menu lists the following for 
> Windows:
> 
> Alt 0176  Symbol font CrtlQ, 0 - but gives it an infinity symbol!
> 
> Alternatively, I find you can use Ctrl-Q,{ in the standard font (I'm using 
> Stone Serif).
>   
> 

Careful -- these shortcuts in FM are case-sensitive, and the symbols are 
not identical.

The first key combination is CTRL + q (lowercase, not Q).
Following that with a curly bracket produces the Ring symbol (an accent 
used in some languages).
Following CTRL + q with a less-than sign produces the degree symbol.

(If you type one after the other, you'll see there is a difference in 
appearance between the ring and the degree symbols.)

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially 
denied.

FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"

[Lise Bible]

I had similar error messages with Frame files with OLE links to Excel
spreadsheets, but mostly randomly--sometimes I had the Excel file open by
mistake, and that might have triggered it, I'm not sure. I could never find
the exact cause. Was running Frame 7.1 on XP, SP2.

A colleague told me she got those errors all the time (same OLE links to
Excel files). She's going to be upgrading to Frame 8, but she's getting a
new computer as well, so there are too many variables there to narrow down
one cause if it ends up fixing her problem.

Have upgraded to Frame 8, still XP, SP2. Haven't had it that long, but I
haven't had any error messages so far. Doesn't mean that the upgrade fixed
the problem, though.

Using PDF's or graphics isn't a good fix for me, because we're linking to
parts lists that appear in the product manual and a separate parts book for
the entire product line. The advantage of OLE links to the Excel files is
that it's always linked to the latest and greatest version.

So thanks for the heads-up about SP3. I don't know if our IS dept. will be
rolling that out soon or not. Fortunately, I don't believe there are any
imminent plans to upgrade us to Vista.

-Lise

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Art Campbell 
wrote:

> If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
> forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
> topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
> fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
> managing objects in Frame go.
>
> Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.
>
> Or you can convert the Visio objects to PDF, PNG, or other graphic
> files and import them by reference.
>
> May want to nag Microsoft some, if you think that would have an effect. ;-
> )
>
> Of course, if you're not using XP and haven't installed SP3, something
> else is at work, but I didn't see any system or FM version details in
> your post. Which would be important in solving the problem if it is
> something else.
>
> Art
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weis 
> wrote:
> > Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  "An internal error occurred
> > while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been
> saved,
> > but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
> > Support."
> >
> >
> > I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
> > prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
> > break the cycle by clicking "No" in the save prompt. Contrary to the
> error
> > message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
> > changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I
> am
> > able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.
> 
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
> ___
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The Mystery Wrap

[Stuart Rogers]

Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) wrote:
> Hi Frank,
> I suspect Distiller is changing your Helvetica to Times New Roman when
> you PDF because you do not actually have the Helvetica font on your
> system. It is likely residing on your physical printer and Windows is
> making available in your Frame font menu. When you print to Adobe PDF,
> or save as PDF, it cannot embed a font that is not on your system. Since
> the default font for missing fonts is Times New Roman, that is what you
> see in the finished PDF.
> You need to make Adobe PDF your default printer in FrameMaker. Even if
> you had Helvetica installed on your system, the wrapping issue might
> persist. This is due to the difference in font metrics between Distiller
> and the physical printer. Each interpret font widths and letter spacing
> differently, causing lines to wrap unexpectedly.
> 

Frank,

In addition to Bernie's comments, you might want to install the SetPrint 
plug-in from Sundorne, which will make the Distiller printer your 
default within FM, without changing it in your other applications. 
(Free and highly recommended.)

http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm

Alternatively, you may be able to change a setting in your physical 
printer's driver to prevent it from reporting its fonts to Windows.  Our 
old Lexmark had such a setting, but I'm sure it varies in 
name/location/availability by manufacturer and model.

You also asked how to "change all fonts in every [tag] to Arial in one 
fell swoop."

The only way I know of is to save the file as MIF, open in a text 
editor, and do a search/replace, then save and reopen in FM.  HOWEVER, 
you must take into account the possible variations in your font names 
for bold, bolded, oblique, obliqued, etc.  There's room for much 
complication, depending on the fonts.  The names must be exactly 
correct, or FM will report fonts not found.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially 
denied.

The Mystery Wrap

[Art Campbell]

The easier way to change all tags to Arial would be to go into Para
Designer, set the font to Arial, and then do Commands >  Global Update
Options >  FontProperties/All Para and Chara Entries.

(I'd make a backup copy first... CYA.)

Art

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Stuart Rogers
 wrote:
> Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) wrote:
>> Hi Frank,
>> I suspect Distiller is changing your Helvetica to Times New Roman when
>> you PDF because you do not actually have the Helvetica font on your
>> system. It is likely residing on your physical printer and Windows is
>> making available in your Frame font menu. When you print to Adobe PDF,
>> or save as PDF, it cannot embed a font that is not on your system. Since
>> the default font for missing fonts is Times New Roman, that is what you
>> see in the finished PDF.
>> You need to make Adobe PDF your default printer in FrameMaker. Even if
>> you had Helvetica installed on your system, the wrapping issue might
>> persist. This is due to the difference in font metrics between Distiller
>> and the physical printer. Each interpret font widths and letter spacing
>> differently, causing lines to wrap unexpectedly.
>>
>
> Frank,
>
> In addition to Bernie's comments, you might want to install the SetPrint
> plug-in from Sundorne, which will make the Distiller printer your
> default within FM, without changing it in your other applications.
> (Free and highly recommended.)
>
> http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm
>
> Alternatively, you may be able to change a setting in your physical
> printer's driver to prevent it from reporting its fonts to Windows.  Our
> old Lexmark had such a setting, but I'm sure it varies in
> name/location/availability by manufacturer and model.
>
> You also asked how to "change all fonts in every [tag] to Arial in one
> fell swoop."
>
> The only way I know of is to save the file as MIF, open in a text
> editor, and do a search/replace, then save and reopen in FM.  HOWEVER,
> you must take into account the possible variations in your font names
> for bold, bolded, oblique, obliqued, etc.  There's room for much
> complication, depending on the fonts.  The names must be exactly
> correct, or FM will report fonts not found.
>
> HTH,
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
>
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
>
> In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially
> denied.
> ___
>
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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

The Mystery Wrap

[Combs, Richard]

Dodd, Frank J wrote:

>  When converting a framemaker document to an adobe PDF I suddenly get
> sentences that wrap onto the next line.
> The only item I can attribute this to is the fact that adobe converts
> all the Helvetica fonts in my FM file to Times new roman
> Does anybody have any idea :
> Why the change to another font?

Because you don't have the Helvetica fonts. You could buy them --
adobe.com is one source.

> Why the mystery wrap?

It's not a mystery. Different fonts have different font metrics. You
can't replace Helvetica with Times New Roman (FM's default replacement
for missing fonts) without your whole document reformatting.

> How to change all the fonts in every style to Arial in one fell swoop?

Wouldn't it be better to buy the fonts that the document was intended to
use? 

If you insist on making everything Arial: 

1. Open Paragraph Designer and select the Default Font tab. 
2. Select Commands > Set Window to As Is. 
3. Set Family to Arial. 
4. Select Commands > Global Update Options. 
5. In the dialog box, select Default Font Properties Only and All
Paragraphs and Catalog Entries, and then click Update. 

HTH! 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

The Mystery Wrap

[Peter Gold]

Art said:

> The easier way to change all tags to Arial would be to go into Para
> Designer, set the font to Arial, and then do Commands >  Global Update
> Options >  FontProperties/All Para and Chara Entries.

> (I'd make a backup copy first... CYA.)

I'd add: either click in a margin whitespace area, or choose Commands
> Set Window to As Is, to assure that you're only changing the font
name.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
__
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Script for generated files in structured documents

[Lynne A. Price]

Les,
   If your structured and unstructured documents use the same paragraph 
tags, at least for paragraphs that will result in entries in the generated 
files, you may not need to change the setup of your generated files at all.
   How many books are you converting? Do they all use the same templates? 
Do you want structured versions of the generated files?
   Feel free to continue the discussion on-list or to contact me directly.
 --Lynne

At 08:45 AM 6/18/2008, Harold Winberg wrote:
>Does anyone know of a good outfit to write a script for generated files:
>TOC, Index etc. in structured documents?
>
>We are moving from standard to structure and have a mixed bag of old
>tags etc.
>
>Is a script the best answer??


Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 

The Mystery Wrap

[Fred Ridder]

Frank Dodd asked (among other questions):

> How to change all the fonts in every style to Arial in one fell swoop?

Others have answered the "how to". All I want to do is make sure
that you really want to do this before you go down that path. 

The Arial font was patterned on Helvetica, and was specifically 
designed to have nearly identical font metrics (e.g. character widths) 
so that it could be substituted for Helvetica with minimal hassle in 
cases where the user did not want to pay to license Helvetica (which 
is still a proprietary design and licensed intellectual property). So in
the practical, technical sense, you should be able to globally replace 
one with the other with minimal impact on your document. But the 
problem is that Arial simply doesn't look as good as Helvetica if you
look closely, particularly if you are using it in larger point sizes for
headings and titles. My own approach to the situation you describe
would be to obtain and install a licensed version of Helvetica so that
your PDFs will use the better looking typeface that the document was
designed to use. 

As noted previously, Adobe is one source of the Helvetica font. They
sell a "Type Basics" package for US$99 that includes 65 different 
PostScript fonts (with the regular, bold, italic, and bold-italic variations
of a typeface counting as four fonts). In that package are the "soft" 
versions of the set of 35 fonts that are resident in most modern 
PostScript printers, which includes Helvetica, Times, Courier, Avant 
Garde, Bookman, Garamond, Palatino, and others. With those soft
fonts in your computer, you can create PDFs that embed the printer-
resident fonts in the PDF itself so that the files can be printed on 
any type of printer, PostScript or not, with full font fidelity.
-Fred Ridder

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Dov Isaacs]

The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost
isn't particularly bad. And if you take care of it and can get four
years of service out of it (typically what I get out of my notebook
systems), the extra cost per day compared to el'cheapo configurations
is really minimum. Oh, BTW, I would not recommend XP on the 8710w
given its fairly "new" peripherals that are not particularly well
supported under Vista. (Also, multiple core / multiple core processors
are better utilized by Vista than Windows XP!)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:08 PM
>
> As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their
> top-end notebooks with "Vista downgrade to Windows XP"  as an optional OS.
>
> My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w
> available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when
> you consider its value with respect to salaries and time.
>
> Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> ***

FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

[Rene Stephenson]

Dov,

It never seems that "thank you" is sufficient for what you contribute.

Shalom, 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Dov Isaacs 
To: Framers E-mail List 
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:36:51 PM
Subject: FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

A number of issues associated with Windows have been discussed on this forum
today with relationship to FrameMaker on Windows, Windows itself, running
Windows on MacTel systems with either Bootcamp or Parallels, Vista, and Vista 
64.

I was somewhat otherwise occupied when those messages came in and couldn't reply
at the time, but now that I have a few minutes, I thought I would try to kill a
few stones with one bird, so to speak:

(1) WRT/ running FrameMaker 8 (with all current updates) on Vista 64 ...
the system requirements for FrameMaker 8 are mute with regards to support
for 64-bit versions of Windows. It does not say we don't support Vista 64
or for that matter, XP 64. My main desktop system in my office is currently
a Dell Precision Workstation T5400 with dual Xeon 3 ghz quad core processors,
8 GB of main memory, 600 GB of 15000rpm SAS (serially attached SCSI) disk
storage, and a 30" Dell 3007 monitor (2560 x 1600 pixels). It is running
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit with Service Pack 1. I have encountered no
problems running FrameMaker 8.0.4 in that environment that I would not have
encountered under Windows XP 32-bit. This is true with BOTH Acrobat Pro 8 and
Acrobat Pro Extended 9 (available soon to the public). In other words, not
only does "save as PDF" work under Vista 64-bit and Acrobat 8, but there are
no further compatibility problems with Acrobat 9!

Note that under Vista 64, FrameMaker runs as a 32-bit application. There is
absolutely no performance penalty for this (contrary to popular belief).
Although FrameMaker does not take advantage of any 64-bit optimizations
running in this mode, it does gain by (a) a full address space to run under
and (b) the system's ability to use much more real memory which results in
less paging operations to disk. This is especially important if when running
FrameMaker, you also have an e-mail window and few browser windows open and
perhaps are running Photoshop and/or Illustrator in parallel with FrameMaker.

(2) WRT/ Vista itself, I neither own stock in Microsoft nor do I have any
love for their products, but I personally think that Vista has gotten a
bummer rap than it deserves. In having used Vista on two desktop systems
(one 32-bit and the other 64-bit) and one notebook system, I have generally
found it to be quite robust and if you know how to make appropriate system
adjustments (both to the user interface and the infamous UAC - turn it off),
it is really no more quirky than Windows XP, just different quirks! Many of
the complaints are coming from enterprise users:

(a) Too many promises of OS improvements were promised by Microsoft
with Vista, but relatively few, except for security features, were 
actually
delivered. Enterprise users were looking for sustentative improvements,
not fluff. Features such as "Aero windows styles" and XPS have zilch 
value
in terms of enterprise productivity.

(b) Enterprise users felt HAD by Microsoft's software maintenance
program introduced at the time of Windows XP that required enterprise
users to pay expensive maintenance fees every year for the right to
upgrade to the next version of Windows and Office that were delayed
several years beyond the point when expected.

(c) Many of the fixes in Service Pack 1, especially those related to
performance and file copying performance, should have been made 
available
at least six months earlier than they were. For that matter, those
problems should not have made it out the door.

(d) The Vista Ultimate versions never delivered on Microsoft's 
promise
of "extra goodies" available on a regular basis.

(e) Microsoft spent too much time pressuring peripheral makers on 
issues
such as forcing XPS, Microsoft's "new" color management system, the new
Microsoft image format, and Microsoft job tickets (none of which turned 
out
to be relevant to the vast majority of Windows or Vista users) down 
their
throats as opposed to simply providing Vista-compatible drivers. Thus, 
in
many cases, new drivers, especially for non-PostScript printers and 
older
scanners (and similar peripherals) were slow in coming if at all!

(f) Large enterprises are notoriously slow in changing their 
standard
software configurations. Many such enterprises have only begun to no 
longer
automatically load Windows 2000 on their computers, much less Vista. At 
Adobe
we continually have to deal with large customers who are only beginning 
to
migrate their corporate fleets 

Windows XP will be sold till Jan. 31, 2009

[Deborah Wible]

According to http://tinyurl.com/3sdd2h   
(full URL:
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2008/06/17/231094/windows-xp-avai
lability-to-be-extended-microsoft-says.htm) 
Windows XP will still be available through January 31, 2009, although
not from major retailers.

Today's listings have been VERY informative, especially Dov's. Thanks
all!

Adobe really should consider re-porting Frame to Mac.

--Deb Wible

FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"

[Brian Weis]

Mae culpa! I am so sorry I did not provide those details. I must not have
copied them over from my message to Adobe. Thanks so much, Art, for pointing
out the omission!

I am using Adobe FrameMaker 7.2b144
Microsoft Office Visio Professional 2003 (11.8207.8202) SP3
and
MS Windows XP ... SP3!

Sometimes I do convert Visio drawings to other formats, but there are times
when the best results come from simply pasting the Visio elements directly
into Frame. So I would like to retrieve that functionality.

Your comments make sense because my machine recently downloaded updates and
restarted. So, it looks like I should try backing out of SP3 today. I'll
probably have better luck with that than with nagging MS. :)

Thanks again!

--
Brian

--
From: Art Campbell 
Date: Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"
To: Brian Weis 
Cc: framers at frameusers.com


If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
managing objects in Frame go.

Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.

Or you can convert the Visio objects to PDF, PNG, or other graphic
files and import them by reference.

May want to nag Microsoft some, if you think that would have an effect. ;- )

Of course, if you're not using XP and haven't installed SP3, something
else is at work, but I didn't see any system or FM version details in
your post. Which would be important in solving the problem if it is
something else.

Art

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weis 
wrote:
> Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  "An internal error occurred
> while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved,
> but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
> Support."
>
>
> I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
> prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
> break the cycle by clicking "No" in the save prompt. Contrary to the error
> message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
> changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I am
> able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.


--
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"

[Brian Weis]

I just wanted to express my thanks to Art Campbell. I removed SP3 from my
machine and I once again have full Visio pasting functionality.

I did post a comment on Microsoft's website under the SP3 write-up regarding
this issue. It's not a nag, but at least I let them know their update was
causing problems.

Thanks again, Art!

--
Brian Weis


--
From: Art Campbell 
Date: Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"
To: Brian Weis 
Cc: framers at frameusers.com


If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
managing objects in Frame go.

Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless 
you're running Vista?


Rene L. Stephenson




- Original Message 
From: Dov Isaacs 

The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost
isn't particularly bad. And if you take care of it and can get four
years of service out of it (typically what I get out of my notebook
systems), the extra cost per day compared to el'cheapo configurations
is really minimum. Oh, BTW, I would not recommend XP on the 8710w
given its fairly "new" peripherals that are not particularly well
supported under Vista. (Also, multiple core / multiple core processors
are better utilized by Vista than Windows XP!)

- Dov

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Or the old adage that to boil a frog, you put it in a pot of cold water and 
turn up the heat gradually, because the frog will pass out before it notices 
the increased temperature.
Not that frog soup is on my menu


Rene L. Stephenson




- Original Message 
From: Stuart Rogers 

I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many years ago:  A crowd of cannibals 
with bones through their nostrils, gathered round a huge cauldron set 
over a fire.  In the cauldron, three pith-helmeted white explorers 
lounging, elbows resting on the rim.  Says one to the other two, "The 
chief's right!  The first few minutes *are* very relaxing."

Welcome to Office 2007!  ;-)

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

> Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is
wasted unless you're running Vista?

Generally speaking, yes, with almost all of the Windows XP versions
(i.e., Windows XP 64-bit, of course!). You would need Vista 64-bit to
get more than 4GB.

Also, note that, in many cases, there are BIOS (and other uses) of that
memory space as well (for example, video card memory) in that fourth gig
of address space.

Note that there are *other* OS's (64-bit Solaris, etc.) that can run on
these systems and use more memory than 4GB.

Z

Import Formats - Document Properties List

[Art Campbell]

Rick,
Does your ImportsFormatsSpecial have an option to clean the existing
properties, like CleanImport does?
Without that, you just keep adding properties instead of cleaning
up which in many cases may be what you want, but I usually prefer
to start with empty catalogs.

Art

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Rene Stephenson  wrote:
> I have been using Rick's ImportFormatsSpecial plugin for a couple of years 
> now, and my clients liked it so much they bought it, too. It has really 
> helped us be more efficient and accurate in this area of FM...can't say 
> enough good things about it!!!
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Rick Quatro 
> To: Jeff Schweiner ; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:51:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Import Formats -  Document Properties List
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> See the screenshot at
>
> http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/importformatsspecial/
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for a complete list of what gets imported when doing a File ->
>> Import -> Formats  -> Document Properties.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm running FM8 Windows.  I looked at the FM8 User Guide, but I don't
>> believe the list provided on page 417  is complete.  For example,
>> information set under File -> File Info gets imported, but is not listed
>> in the User Guide.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jeff Schweiner
>>
>> Hardware Engineering Writer
>>
>> Cray Inc.
>>
>> (715) 726-4801
>
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Dov Isaacs]

Depending upon how much memory is on you video card and the size of various
system BIOS and memory mapped i/o device card buffers, most if not all of the
memory space above 3GB is unavailable for mapping of real memory both for
XP and Vista 32-bit versions. It is the 64-bit versions of Vista on 64-bit 
versions of
Intel and AMD processors that removes that restriction. In other words, Vista 32
won't help you on this.

- Dov

From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:16 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Dennis Brunnenmeyer; FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless 
you're running Vista?

Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Dov Isaacs 

The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost
isn't particularly bad. And if you take care of it and can get four
years of service out of it (typically what I get out of my notebook
systems), the extra cost per day compared to el'cheapo configurations
is really minimum. Oh, BTW, I would not recommend XP on the 8710w
given its fairly "new" peripherals that are not particularly well
supported under Vista. (Also, multiple core / multiple core processors
are better utilized by Vista than Windows XP!)

- Dov

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

> > Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is
> wasted unless you're running Vista?
> 
> Generally speaking, yes, with almost all of the Windows XP versions
> (i.e., Windows XP 64-bit, of course!). You would need Vista 64-bit to
> get more than 4GB.

Argh! Above, I meant to say "EXCEPT windows XP 64-bit, of course!". Of
course, I would not recommend Windows XP 64-bit right now ... would be
better to go with Vista 64-bit since drivers are more likely to be made
available for that!

Z

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Trialware/shovelware is a PITA, just one more thing to muddle through when you 
buy a computer, as if installing all the gobs of software and plugins that you 
really DO need and twiddling with all the UI settings isn't timeconsuming 
enough?which is precisely why my new desktop is still in the box a month after 
I bought it:  too many deadlines and obligations to fit into waking hours and 
still have time for PC configuration.


Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Mike Wickham 

Rene,

\It'll eliminate the junk trialware, too.

Mike Wickham

newbie goof

[Rene Stephenson]

If you haven't hit save since then, you might try renaming the .backup.fm file 
to a different name and open that as a way to get back to the pre-goof point. 
Alternatively, if you have ANY other documents or templates that have the new 
"Code text" tag, you can import it via CleanImport and map it to the old "Code" 
tag.

HTH 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Kelly McDaniel 
To: FrameUsers List 
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:54:45 AM
Subject: newbie goof

I made a newbie mistake this morning. I needed to change text that had
formatting from a deleted character tag. The old tag was "Code." The new
tag is "Code text." I opened the replace dialog and configured it. As
soon as I hit the button, I knew what happened. I had created a loop
that performed almost 2 million changes before I could get to the escape
key.





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character formatting and x-ref'd text

[Milan Davidovic]

File A has a paragraph. Some text in this paragraph is formatted with
a character tag. In File B, I create a <$paratext> type x-ref to bring
in this paragraph. The character formatting, however, doesn't appear.
Files A and B have indentical formats, etc. (imported from A into B
just to make sure).

I'm looking at some legacy document in which the character formatting
does come across in the x-ref'd text, but I can't see how to make it
happen in my File B. What can I check to see where the difference is
between the two?

Many thanks...

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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

XP or VISTA; SAUNA or SOUP; that *is* the question.
Well, whether amphibian or adventurer we're still swimming in the
cauldron of our own demise.

Seriously, I feel MUCH better about all this Frame/Vista stuff-thanx to
Dov's wise counsel-so I'll soak a bit longer 

Hey, I'm actually starting to smell pretty delicious!!

DJ
-Original Message-
From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:27 PM
To: Stuart Rogers
Cc: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC;
framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Or the old adage that to boil a frog, you put it in a pot of cold water
and turn up the heat gradually, because the frog will pass out before it
notices the increased temperature.
Not that frog soup is on my menu


Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Stuart Rogers 

I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many years ago:  A crowd of cannibals 
with bones through their nostrils, gathered round a huge cauldron set 
over a fire.  In the cauldron, three pith-helmeted white explorers 
lounging, elbows resting on the rim.  Says one to the other two, "The 
chief's right!  The first few minutes *are* very relaxing."

Welcome to Office 2007!  ;-)

FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

[Dov Isaacs]

There is no big secret as to how I justify my configurations. It is fairly 
simple.

(1) I buy systems that I plan to use as primary systems for approximately 
four
years although Adobe's corporate policy allows engineers to replace systems on a
two or three year basis. I would rather have a system now that really screams 
and
that in four years from only begins to show its age in terms of performance.

(2) I do much more that respond to e-mails or simply write. I do some fairly
compute and disk-intensive work with RIP software and graphically-intensive 
documents
with InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop all while monitoring e-mail and 
various web sites.
You need muscle machines (except for the video card) for to reasonably 
accomplish this.

(3) When you consider the cost differential of a muscle system versus a 
wimp system
on a cost per day basis, especially if I use the system for four years, the 
extra cost is really
not a big issue. Unfortunately, most "DIlbertian" pointy-haired managers and 
bean counter
types can't see beyond the tips of their noses when it comes to looking at long 
term cost
issues like this.

(4) I never beg for my configuration - I tell'em what I need!   :)

- Dov



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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of ri...@inficon.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:02 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today


Dov,

Thank you for taking the time to write your e-mails to the Framers E-Mail
List. Your insight and helpfulness is always greatly appreciated.

Your comment, "Large enterprises are notoriously slow in changing their
standard software configurations" certainly hits home with me. As a
manager in a large enterprise, I've been trying to upgrade from FrameMaker
6 for years now. Sometimes I think we will never upgrade, no matter how
well I present my arguments to do so. It all boils down to money and
customer satisfaction. My customers are very happy with my manuals, and
upper management is loathe to spend money to improve a process that
currently works very well.

Obviously, you are a tremendous proposal writer. How you justified the
computer system you use (and a 30" monitor no less) is nothing short of
amazing to me. If I were to put in a request for such a system, I probably
could hear my IS department laughing even though we are at opposite ends
of the building.

Again, thank you for taking the time to monitor and respond to the Framers
E-Mail List

Richard

FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"

[Dov Isaacs]

For better or worse, if you simply mailed in the report to Adobe,
don't expect a personal if any response. That mechanism is not
Adobe Tech Support.

For future reference, regardless of what program you publish with
copy-and-paste is about the worst way to set yourself up for disaster
in case your document get lost or mangled.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Weis
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:36 AM
>
> Hi folks:
>
> Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  "An internal error occurred
> while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved,
> but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
> Support."
>
>
> I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
> prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
> break the cycle by clicking "No" in the save prompt. Contrary to the error
> message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
> changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I am
> able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.
>
> How do I know this?
>
> In the directory where my source Frame doc is located, I see a set of
> "garbage" files -- that is, files that my system does not recognize by
> filename extension. I recognize them as copies of my source doc ... but with
> different extensions (e.g., .BE7, .75F). These files have date/time stamps
> right around the time I was trying to save my changes. Right clicking on one
> of these files, and specifying FrameMaker to open it, I find a version of my
> document with the most recent set of changes ... but the Visio object is now
> grayed out in its inline frame.
>
> Just to be clear, I am using "Visio object" to refer to an graphic that I
> have inserted by copying the elements from the original Visio drawing and
> then pasting them into an inline frame in FrameMaker. I did not use the
> "Import File" option.
>
> I did some more testing with a copy of my now-recovered source document.
> While playing with different ways to insert/paste the Visio work, and
> accessing Visio work in other documents by right-clicking them and selecting
> "Visio Object" from the pop-up menu, Framemaker eventually "detected a
> serious problem" and had to quit. This error dialog called out a FrameLog
> file (an error log) and instructed me to send the file and a description of
> what I did to fmerror at adobe.com.
>
>
> I have been using the paste method with Visio objects successfully for
> almost two years. I realize it is not recommended, but I have never had an
> issue until now. And it looks like my previous documents that have one or
> more Visio objects inserted in this fashion will suffer the same problem. At
> least, all such files I have tested exhibit the same problem -- even just
> opening a file that has a Visio object will subject it to this problem.
>
> I sent all the info and the error messages (a longer summary than I've
> posted here) to Adobe around 6pm last night. I have not heard from them, and
> I probably should not expect to. I have searched Adobe Support for info on
> Visio, "Internal Error 7204", and other things, but have not found anything
> helpful. So I come to you in the Frame using community. Has anyone here
> copy/paste Visio into Frame? Have you ever come across this problem? Do you
> know a solution?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Brian Weis

ANN: Heavy duty indexing

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

I just finished a big index project for a client. The index has 50 sections 
in a single FrameMaker document. Like a regular generated document, each 
entry is hyperlinked back to its source.

The text that needs to be indexed is formatted with a particular character 
tag. As the script encounters each text range, its target index section is 
identified by a regular expression. The required data, including sort 
information, for each entry is loaded into a database. Then the script does 
a series of queries on the database to build the final index.

Previously this huge index was done by hand because there was no feasible 
way to do it with multiple marker types and generated documents. I mention 
this here for those that may have labor-intensive tasks that don't have an 
easy FrameMaker solution. With FrameScript, many of these "impossible tasks" 
can be fully automated. If you need more information, please contact me 
offlist.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com