That's a stupid Engineering Department. Maybe they should learn
something about engineering -- or just leave the company. ;-)
Even Boeing, when they were distributing CGM graphic with some of
their documentation around 1996, they had these sometimes bundled into
one file to save space. They had
Am 23.01.2009 um 12:20 schrieb Klaus Daube:
The second one is a tough experience:
Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I
can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to
many
times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO
Hi Mark,
You don't mention the amount of files involved.
If the files involved are not too many, just changing the format name
in the Pgf format catalog (or global change) should do the trick.
Another option is to MIF the files and search/replace the format name
in a text editor.
A FrameScript
Don,
Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool add-on
that works within Framemaker.
Dave Spreadbury
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W. Spencer
Sent: Monday, January
Someone (or a company) was playing with an idea that would assign different
levels of a doc to a conditional text setting or series of settings, so you
could hide or reveal the different levels, outline style. Script driven, I
think. Possibly Framescript guru Rick Quatro... (Rick, was that you?),
FrameMaker already does have an outline view, but you need to be using
structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
FrameMaker knows
Don:
As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss – Outline View.
Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
Bodvar,
It is hundreds of FM files. We did decide to go with a plugin to find
and replace the paragraph tags.
Thanks.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:17 AM
To: Eichelberger, Mark
Cc:
Exactly! Gary has hit it on the head. What you are referring to
doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment. Outlining is
an early method used to provide structure to data. SGML and XML are
later methods to do that.
FrameMaker in Structured mode does it quite well.
Scott
At 8:29
Quite so, Richard, and no offense. I think the manual process you
described yesterday with the anchored frame and the multiple copies
would get the job done well, especially for docs that are usually no
more than a few dozen pages. I only meant that I've never found a tool
that would automate the
ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order was a quote
from my German sales engineer. He had related to me the feeling among
some of his customers about hardcopy documentation. It was not a
political statement of any kind; it was an example of a factor to
consider when deciding
Hedley Finger wrote:
Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create
an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it
all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and
the
virtual nesting of those heading style formats.
Kelly,
You wrote:
Quick Survey:
Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...
Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
-- the extent to which the PDF is screen friendly (typography,
Hmm -
what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just note that p.
446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK - RGB
conversion. However, the
Don Spencer wrote:
Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
Outline View? Would be nice.
Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the product
just to help you
Mike,
There are a couple of threads about CMYK support on the Adobe User Forum for
Frame.
According to one of the moderators there (Arnis, who I'm not sure is on this
list), who has played with this a bit:
Yes, CMYK (and spot colours too) works when doing the Save As PDF
(Adobe somehow manages to
Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so I'm looking for
a solution. We
In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That turns off the
extra space used by the superscript characters.
Art
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
number.
Click in the paragraph holding the footnote marker. Open the Paragraph
I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages,
but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd
double-check with the list.
I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code
base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be
Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
number itself not as super of a superscript in line with the text),
but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
missed that little
Sweet example of a screen-optimized manual, Shlomo. Thank you!
_
Lea Rush
Software and Documentation Specialist
Astoria-Pacific International
PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015
PH: 800-657-3010
FAX: 503-655-7367
-Original Message-
From:
Both the Agilent examples are good demonstrations of how to do a
screen-readable PDF. Very nice!
The funniest part of this, though, is that I have the original printed
version (of the AN-91-1 document only, not the second one) before the
concept of PDF formats even existed! :) It was *totally*
I am currently using FM 7.0 and Windows XP Pro operating system.
I am having a problem with setting up documents for offset printing for one of
my clients. My responsibility is to set up the document in Frame and prepare
PDF files with separations (using Distiller) for printing. I then turn
For the full TCS 2, is the suite available only for trial via DVD,
rather than download? That's what appears to be the case at adobe.com,
but I thought the reality was otherwise. Am I misreading or simply not
in the right place
The trial download page on adobe.com lists all of the individual
products, including FM 9.0, but you can only get TC2 on a DVD. The
download size for FM 9.0 is given as 1000 MB, so maybe the suite is just
too large.
Also, every time I try to download FM 9.0 I get an error from my
Howard,
Let's just say first that there is a lot of confusion about how to deal with
RGB channels in print nearly ready pdfs. But you say you are able to
output separations (two plates, I take it from your description - one spot and
one black) so the plate makers should be able to convert any RGB
Howard,
It's possible to do what you want to do with our Publi PDF software.
Although it's a quite expensive tool you may want to give it a try. There is
a free 30-day live trial available including full e-mail support (which you
*do* need to set-up Publi PDF for this task). See:
We get this exact same response with all but one printer we use,
These are RGB you need to fix.
I don't understand why they give us the runaround as they have the
software and ability to take just about any rgb pdf and make the
necessary plates for printing.
I have to get on the phone with
FM9 will undoubtedly do a generally more prepress-friendly job during Save
as PDF operations.
My tests so far documents huge improvements, but there are still unresolved
issues. I'll drop a post when I've finished testing.
Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Schäffer | Chief Developer
I just got this back from my printer.
Hey Scott!
Hope all are doing well - looks like you've got a winner! I ran your
PDF through our RIP and there was no RGB conflicts at all - excellent!
Good news.
Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
I have been hoping FM9 would make it easier to get into DITA /
Structured Authoring.
In the online help, I found this helpful tidbit:
FrameMaker 9 provides complete support for DITA v1.1. For more
information on DITA integration with FrameMaker see the online manual
Integrating DITA with Adobe
Scott, Gary:
What you are referring to
doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.
You have misrepresented what I actually said.
I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker
to develop structured documentation. But it is certainly a far from
trivial
I don't think that there is anything in FM9 that makes it easier to get
into DITA or structured authoring. It offers support for the DITA 1.1
specification, but migration is still the same effort that it has been
in earlier versions.
...scott
John Sgammato wrote:
I have been hoping FM9
Hi,
Here is another post from Arnis Gubins from the Adobe FrameMaker
forum:
... After extensive testing with his files and others, using
imported PDFs with the new CMYK SaveAsPDF is broken from the get go.
When using imported PDFs in FM, the CMYK SaveAsPDF option renders
these imported PDFs as
Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> "A third great annoyance:
> The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over."
>
> I thought that maybe I was too picky, but this bothers me, too.
>
Just about this, I thought that in 'normal' UI design terms a button is greyed
out if it is *not*
Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.
I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up again. But
anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that supports multi-page
tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file to PDF (press-quality
settings if you want
OK. Leave the tiff. Don't delete it or change its name ;)
Print it to PDF and use that by reference in your Frame document. When the
tiff is updated, update the pdf. There are no other changes that need to be
made to the file.
Cheers
Alan
Richard Melanson wrote:
> Thank you all very much for
If you were on a Mac I would say to just use Preview ;)
However on Windows, Corel products handle and write to Multi-page tiff (which
is where I have had them produced from by various clients). Otherwise there
are (and in all cases YMMV, of course):
http://www.informatik.com/imagistik.html
Thanks for the brush-up, Alan.
I stand corrected :-)
Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer | Chief Developer
Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
Paradis All? 22, Raml?se
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Phone: +45 4439 4400
Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
Web:
That's a stupid Engineering Department. Maybe they should learn
something about engineering -- or just leave the company. ;-)
Even Boeing, when they were distributing CGM graphic with some of
their documentation around 1996, they had these sometimes bundled into
one file to save space. They had
Am 23.01.2009 um 12:20 schrieb Klaus Daube:
> The second one is a tough experience:
> Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I
> can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to
> many
> times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO
Hi Mark,
You don't mention the amount of files involved.
If the files involved are not too many, just changing the format name
in the Pgf format catalog (or global change) should do the trick.
Another option is to MIF the files and search/replace the format name
in a text editor.
A FrameScript
Don,
Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool add-on
that works within Framemaker.
Dave Spreadbury
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W. Spencer
Sent: Monday,
Someone (or a company) was playing with an idea that would assign different
levels of a doc to a conditional text setting or series of settings, so you
could hide or reveal the different levels, outline style. Script driven, I
think. Possibly Framescript guru Rick Quatro... (Rick, was that you?),
FrameMaker already does have an "outline" view, but you need to be using
structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
FrameMaker knows
That was a quote from my German sales engineer describing the feeling of
customers he knows. Whether he was exaggerating or not, I don't know, but it is
a faithful report of what was said. I should have put everything from
"ignorant" to "order" in quotes. My apologies.
Don:
> As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
> I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
> only one thing about MS Word that I miss ? Outline View.
>
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin
Bodvar,
It is hundreds of FM files. We did decide to go with a plugin to find
and replace the paragraph tags.
Thanks.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:17 AM
To: Eichelberger, Mark
Cc: framers at
Exactly! Gary has hit it on the head. What you are referring to
doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment. Outlining is
an early method used to provide structure to data. SGML and XML are
later methods to do that.
FrameMaker in Structured mode does it quite well.
Scott
At 8:29
Quite so, Richard, and no offense. I think the manual process you
described yesterday with the anchored frame and the multiple copies
would get the job done well, especially for docs that are usually no
more than a few dozen pages. I only meant that I've never found a tool
that would automate the
"ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order" was a quote
from my German sales engineer. He had related to me the feeling among
some of his customers about hardcopy documentation. It was not a
political statement of any kind; it was an example of a factor to
consider when deciding
Hedley Finger wrote:
> Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create
> an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it
> all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and
the
> virtual nesting of those heading style formats.
Kelly,
You wrote:
>Quick Survey:
>
>Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
>computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...
Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
-- the extent to which the PDF is "screen friendly"
Hmm -
what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just note that p.
446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK -> RGB
conversion. However, the
Don Spencer wrote:
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.
Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the product
just to help you
Mike,
There are a couple of threads about CMYK support on the Adobe User Forum for
Frame.
According to one of the moderators there (Arnis, who I'm not sure is on this
list), who has played with this a bit:
"Yes, CMYK (and spot colours too) works when doing the Save As PDF
(Adobe somehow manages
Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so I'm looking for
a solution. We
In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That turns off the
extra space used by the superscript characters.
Art
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
> disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
> the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
> number.
Click in the paragraph holding the footnote marker. Open the
Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
missed that little
Sweet example of a screen-optimized manual, Shlomo. Thank you!
_
Lea Rush
Software and Documentation Specialist
Astoria-Pacific International
PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015
PH: 800-657-3010
FAX: 503-655-7367
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at
Both the Agilent examples are good demonstrations of how to do a
screen-readable PDF. Very nice!
The funniest part of this, though, is that I have the original printed
version (of the AN-91-1 document only, not the second one) before the
concept of PDF formats even existed! :) It was *totally*
I am currently using?FM 7.0?and Windows XP Pro operating system.
I am having a problem with setting up?documents for offset printing for one of
my clients. My responsibility?is to set up?the document in Frame and prepare
PDF files with separations (using Distiller) for printing. I then
For the full TCS 2, is the suite available only for trial via DVD,
rather than download? That's what appears to be the case at adobe.com,
but I thought the reality was otherwise. Am I misreading or simply not
in the right place
The trial download page on adobe.com lists all of the individual
products, including FM 9.0, but you can only get TC2 on a DVD. The
download size for FM 9.0 is given as 1000 MB, so maybe the suite is just
too large.
Also, every time I try to download FM 9.0 I get an error from my
Howard,
It's possible to do what you want to do with our Publi PDF software.
Although it's a quite expensive tool you may want to give it a try. There is
a free 30-day live trial available including full e-mail support (which you
*do* need to set-up Publi PDF for this task). See:
We get this exact same response with all but one printer we use,
"These are RGB you need to fix."
I don't understand why they give us the runaround as they have the
software and ability to take just about any rgb pdf and make the
necessary plates for printing.
I have to get on the phone with
FM9 will undoubtedly do a generally more prepress-friendly job during "Save
as PDF" operations.
My tests so far documents huge improvements, but there are still unresolved
issues. I'll drop a post when I've finished testing.
Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer | Chief Developer
I just got this back from my printer.
"Hey Scott!
Hope all are doing well - looks like you've got a winner! I ran your
PDF through our RIP and there was no RGB conflicts at all - excellent!"
Good news.
Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at
I have been hoping FM9 would make it easier to get into DITA /
Structured Authoring.
In the online help, I found this helpful tidbit:
FrameMaker 9 provides complete support for DITA v1.1. For more
information on DITA integration with FrameMaker see the online manual
Integrating DITA with Adobe
I don't think that there is anything in FM9 that makes it easier to get
into DITA or structured authoring. It offers support for the DITA 1.1
specification, but migration is still the same effort that it has been
in earlier versions.
...scott
John Sgammato wrote:
> I have been hoping FM9
On 22 Jan 2009 at 11:12, Heidi Bailey wrote:
> Has anyone seen or got a solution to the Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug? When I
> use it, FM places a ?
>
> in front of the word following the selected text.
IN FM8.0 p277 it's all OK, the shortcut sets the selection to UPPR
CASE.
- do you have another
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