This is a long mail
Hello,
I have just migrated to FM 9.0 yesterday and IMHO, am finding the UI a pain
to use. Some of the issues that I am having are:
1. When using structured interface, using F8 to select a character style
creates a new element of the same type at the point where the style
I could have sworn you could do it, well at least I feel better about
myself lol :-) Thank you for your help Mr. Quatro.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:24 PM
To: Richard Melanson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Can these behavior be changed. I do not want dialogs to be persistent. I do
not want the Not Applicable element as the first in any selectable list.
I don't know. You may need to take some time to wade through maker.ini
and see if there's anything in there that can be changed.
IMHO, the
Why Adobe would want to emulate Microsoft is beyond me. What's next, a
dancing paper clip?
We actually purchased 9.0 then down-graded (yes, you can do that) to
FM8. High volume shop, NO time for an (un)learning curve.
Are there any menu-to-ribbon road maps that one might recommend?
Eventually, a
By menu-to-ribbon, are you referring to Word? If yes, click on this
link, then click Start the guide:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/interactive-word-2003-to-word-2007-command-reference-guide-HA010074432.aspx
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 03-Aug-10 6:50
I was actually referring to FM but thanks for the Microsoft link.
Ribbons are for typewriters not software.
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From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:06 PM
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHDB
Cc:
Got this as a Tweet from RJ Jacquez. It's a good tip in case you didn't know
it.
Custom Table Rules http://bit.ly/bBKPSS
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Jenny:
I guess I'm lucky. When I started here and said I wanted to use VSS, the lead
software engineer set up a VSS DB just for documentation - no sharing with RD.
And it has saved me on a few occasions when I needed to go back into History
for something (especially when I was working
Gang,
Does anyone have solid information on whether or not FrameMaker 8.x is
compatible with Windows 7?
One of the engineers in a group I work with just got a shiny new laptop with
Windows 7 (so far our corporate IT people are only allowing Windows 7 on
brand-new machines), and the IT folks
Check this thread:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-July/020620.html
Nadine
--- On Tue, 8/3/10, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com
Subject: FM8 compatibility with Windows 7
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Tuesday, August 3,
And speaking as a 40-mumbley-aged person, the contrast of the black text on
the grey interface sucks, even with my reading glasses. I hate playing with
all the pods that fly about. I don't like the focus changing unexpectedly, I
just dislike having to pay so much attention to my interface, as it
It should work fine, although you may have to run the installer as Admin.
I ran it under the W7 betas and didn't have any problems, and I've run
both 7 and 9 on production W7 without incident, so it shouldn't be any
kind of problem.
And to ensure compatibility, I'm not 100% sure I'd trust
Hi Fred,
I am running FrameMaker 8 on Windows 7 64-bit with no problems.
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com
*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
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Fred Ridder wrote:
Does anyone have solid information on whether or not FrameMaker 8.x is
compatible with Windows 7?
One of the engineers in a group I work with just got a shiny new laptop
with Windows 7 (so far our corporate IT people are only allowing Windows 7
on brand-new machines), and
Art Campbell wrote:
It should work fine, although you may have to run the installer as Admin.
I ran it under the W7 betas and didn't have any problems, and I've run
both 7 and 9 on production W7 without incident, so it shouldn't be any
kind of problem.
And to ensure compatibility, I'm
http://forums.adobe.com/message/2325269
Some folks have had to set a compatibility mode to get FM 8 to run on Win 7
64-bit machine, but once set, it runs.
TVB
Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
i...@spectrumwritingllc.com
-Original
I wouldn't say it's hard to use, but it certainly is difficult to use
efficiently. As you say, pods are everywhere. I am constantly hiding
and changing the docking location for ones I use regularly because
they are always in the way of the authoring area. The tool should not
get in the way of the
http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=50197
There's also a post on this list that states that you can run FM 8 on Win 7
b4-bit without any issues.
TVB
Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
i...@spectrumwritingllc.com
-Original Message-
Speaking as a newbie, but also more than 40 years old, I really like the
interface. The black on gray makes the menus and such usable but unobtrusive,
and I like the fact that I can control the illumination. It's still hard to
learn (I made a few stabs with FM8), but seems much improved to me.
Hi Fred-
okay.but.Adobe FM started out looking similar to a windows app,
then when windows changed its' UI, FM changed also -
coincidence?!!?
Well, we were test driving FM9 about the same time as Word 2007 (both by
force). The frustration level was interchangeable betwixt the
Yo,
On 4/08/2010, at 6:59 AM, Fred Ridder wrote:
Their intent was to emulate other *Adobe* apps with floating
toolbars and dockable dialogs. Over the years, Adobe had made only
small changes to the original circa 1990 user interface that they
bought from Frame Technologies in 1995, and
From: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM8 compatibility with Windows 7
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:55:05 -0600
http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=50197
There's also a post on this list that states that you can run FM 8 on Win 7
b4-bit
I'll buy that argument, but some consideration for those using it even
before the Adobe years would have been nice.
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:03 PM, jdela...@comcast.net wrote:
Maybe they designed 9 to accommodate new users better.
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Twitter: @techcommdood
Blog:
IDM Forums is dedicated to electronic music and music production, not
technical writing.
Awww... But it's close enough for funk. ;)
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Steve:
I don't *have* to use source control but given a choice I always want to.
RD wasn't telling me I had to change, just encouraging me to - but they never
articulated any sound reasons for switching so I don't want the hassle. Now
that I have sound reasons, I'm going to make the switch
And yes, the lack of contrast in the UI itself makes the UI a bit
difficult to stare at and read, but that appears to be an Adobe thing
because RoboHelp is the same way, only brighter.
There is some adjustment that's possible: File Preferences Interface UI
Brightness. There is also a third
Hi,
A problem has just started on FM9. It does not start. The logo screen starts,
the progess bar gets to localization and then stops with an internal error
message.
I have uninstalled FM9 and reinstalled it. Same error.
I have plenty of space on the C: drive, and have run check disk. All
You should post this where it has a chance of doing some good, on the
Adobe forum. My understanding is that Frame 9 was developed entirely
overseas, safely away from anyone who might give them adverse but
useful feedback.
It's a big company thing to do: play up the window dressing without
fussing
Hi all,
I've been lurking here for a few weeks - great list! I'd like to reach out to
any editors and copyeditors who spar with change tracking or have developed
other more elegant methods. For example, what's a clean and visible way to
include lengthy marginal comments?
Is there a separate
Although I don't use Frame daily, I have used Frame 8 on Windows 7
Professional with no issues.
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
Gang,
Does anyone have solid information on whether or not FrameMaker 8.x is
compatible with Windows 7?
One of the
We use Subversion and I have no issues with it. If you don't have to
use source control, it's purely a matter of preference but I wouldn't
put up a fight about it if they tell you to use it.
Get the Tortoise shell for Subversion, assuming you use Windows, and
you'll get used to it in no time.
On
Alison,
We recently switched to Subversion from Rational ClearCase for some of the same
reasons. I use Tortoise SVN (http://tortoisesvn.net/), which integrates with
Windows Explorer. And yes, you can lock files, which is a good idea with binary
files since you can't merge changes with those
I have created a PDF file from a FrameMaker 8 book. When I try printing the
PDF file the printing operation stops at the same page every time I retry
printing. The same thing occurs when I create a PDF from the file in the
book corresponding to the problem.
Attached is the log file generated
A problem has just started on FM9. It does not start. The logo screen
starts, the progess bar gets to localization and then stops with an
internal error message.
I have uninstalled FM9 and reinstalled it. Same error.
And what error might that be? You'll probably get more help if you list it.
IIRC it's a personal/local dictionary problem. There was a thread on this
recently.
I think if you delete your personal dictionary it will solve the problem.
Same thing happened to me several month back.
I don't recall what caused the corruption.
Another bit of buggery in FM9.
Will White
On Aug
On 4/08/2010, at 8:31 AM, Carmelo Scaffidi wrote:
I have created a PDF file from a FrameMaker 8 book. When I try
printing the
PDF file the printing operation stops at the same page every time I
retry
printing. The same thing occurs when I create a PDF from the file in
the
book
You should post this where it has a chance of doing some good, on the
Adobe forum. My understanding is that Frame 9 was developed entirely
overseas, safely away from anyone who might give them adverse but
useful feedback.
It's a big company thing to do: play up the window dressing without
Hello,
I have just migrated to FM 9.0 yesterday and IMHO, am finding the UI a pain
to use. Some of the issues that I am having are:
1. When using structured interface, using F8 to select a character style
creates a new element of the same type at the point where the style has to
be applied.
I could have sworn you could do it, well at least I feel better about
myself lol :-) Thank you for your help Mr. Quatro.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:24 PM
To: Richard Melanson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Can these behavior be changed. I do not want dialogs to be persistent. I do
> not want the "Not Applicable" element as the first in any selectable list.
I don't know. You may need to take some time to wade through maker.ini
and see if there's anything in there that can be changed.
> IMHO, the
I was cranky about it at first, but I got used to it.
Nadine
--- On Tue, 8/3/10, Bill Swallow wrote:
> From: Bill Swallow
> Subject: Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -
> To: "Venkat"
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 10:27 AM
> > Can these behavior be changed. I
> do not
Why Adobe would want to emulate Microsoft is beyond me. What's next, a
dancing paper clip?
We actually purchased 9.0 then down-graded (yes, you can do that) to
FM8. High volume shop, NO time for an (un)learning curve.
Are there any menu-to-ribbon road maps that one might recommend?
Eventually, a
By menu-to-ribbon, are you referring to Word? If yes, click on this
link, then click "Start the guide":
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/interactive-word-2003-to-word-2007-command-reference-guide-HA010074432.aspx
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 03-Aug-10
I was actually referring to FM but thanks for the Microsoft link.
Ribbons are for typewriters not software.
-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:06 PM
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHDB
Cc: framers at
Got this as a Tweet from RJ Jacquez. It's a good tip in case you didn't know
it.
Custom Table Rules http://bit.ly/bBKPSS
-Gillian
FM 9 Version: 9.0p250
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 13 months
Writing Experience: 15 years
Writing Team: 1 (me)
I started asking question last week about backups on my version control
database and it turns out that no backups are done (as the sole writer, I am
the only user
Darren Butler wrote:
> Why Adobe would want to emulate Microsoft is beyond me. What's next, a
> dancing paper clip?
>
> We actually purchased 9.0 then down-graded (yes, you can do that) to
> FM8. High volume shop, NO time for an (un)learning curve.
>
> Are there any menu-to-ribbon road maps
Jenny:
I guess I'm lucky. When I started here and said I wanted to use VSS, the lead
software engineer set up a VSS DB just for documentation - no sharing with R
And it has saved me on a few occasions when I needed to go back into History
for something (especially when I was working
Gang,
Does anyone have solid information on whether or not FrameMaker 8.x is
compatible with Windows 7?
One of the engineers in a group I work with just got a shiny new laptop with
Windows 7 (so far our corporate IT people are only allowing Windows 7 on
brand-new machines), and the IT folks
Check this thread:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-July/020620.html
Nadine
--- On Tue, 8/3/10, Fred Ridder wrote:
> From: Fred Ridder
> Subject: FM8 compatibility with Windows 7
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 3:18 PM
>
> Gang,
>
>
And speaking as a 40-mumbley-aged person, the contrast of the black text on
the grey interface sucks, even with my reading glasses. I hate playing with
all the pods that fly about. I don't like the focus changing unexpectedly, I
just dislike having to pay so much attention to my interface, as it
It should work fine, although you may have to run the installer as Admin.
I ran it under the W7 betas and didn't have any problems, and I've run
both 7 and 9 on production W7 without incident, so it shouldn't be any
kind of problem.
And to ensure compatibility, I'm not 100% sure I'd trust
Hi Fred,
I am running FrameMaker 8 on Windows 7 64-bit with no problems.
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
Fred Ridder wrote:
> Does anyone have solid information on whether or not FrameMaker 8.x is
> compatible with Windows 7?
> One of the engineers in a group I work with just got a shiny new laptop
> with Windows 7 (so far our corporate IT people are only allowing Windows 7
> on brand-new machines),
Art Campbell wrote:
> It should work fine, although you may have to run the installer as Admin.
>
> I ran it under the W7 betas and didn't have any problems, and I've run
> both 7 and 9 on production W7 without incident, so it shouldn't be any
> kind of problem.
>
> And to ensure
http://forums.adobe.com/message/2325269
Some folks have had to set a compatibility mode to get FM 8 to run on Win 7
64-bit machine, but once set, it runs.
TVB
Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
info at spectrumwritingllc.com
-Original
I wouldn't say it's hard to use, but it certainly is difficult to use
efficiently. As you say, pods are everywhere. I am constantly hiding
and changing the docking location for ones I use regularly because
they are always in the way of the authoring area. The tool should not
get in the way of the
http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=50197
There's also a post on this list that states that you can run FM 8 on Win 7
b4-bit without any issues.
TVB
Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
info at spectrumwritingllc.com
-Original
Speaking as a newbie, but also more than 40 years old, I really like the
interface. The black on gray makes the menus and such usable but unobtrusive,
and I like the fact that I can control the illumination. It's still hard to
learn (I made a few stabs with FM8), but seems much improved to me.
Hi Fred-
okay.but.Adobe FM started out looking similar to a windows app,
then when windows changed its' UI, FM changed also -
coincidence?!!?
Well, we were test driving FM9 about the same time as Word 2007 (both by
force). The frustration level was interchangeable betwixt the
> From: info at spectrumwritingllc.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: FM8 compatibility with Windows 7
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:55:05 -0600
>
> http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=50197
>
> There's also a post on this list that states that you can run FM 8 on Win 7
I'll buy that argument, but some consideration for those using it even
before the Adobe years would have been nice.
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:03 PM, wrote:
> Maybe they designed 9 to accommodate new users better.
--
Bill Swallow
Twitter: @techcommdood
Blog: http://techcommdood.com
LinkedIn:
> IDM Forums is dedicated to electronic music and music production, not
> technical writing.
Awww... But it's close enough for funk. ;)
--
Bill Swallow
Twitter: @techcommdood
Blog: http://techcommdood.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood
Steve:
I don't *have* to use source control but given a choice I always want to.
R wasn't telling me I had to change, just encouraging me to - but they never
articulated any sound reasons for switching so I don't want the hassle. Now
that I have sound reasons, I'm going to make the switch
> And yes, the lack of contrast in the UI itself makes the UI a bit
> difficult to stare at and read, but that appears to be an Adobe thing
> because RoboHelp is the same way, only brighter.
There is some adjustment that's possible: File> Preferences> Interface> UI
Brightness. There is also a
Hi,
A problem has just started on FM9. It does not start. The logo screen starts,
the progess bar gets to localization and then stops with an internal error
message.
I have uninstalled FM9 and reinstalled it. Same error.
I have plenty of space on the C: drive, and have run check disk. All my
You should post this where it has a chance of doing some good, on the
Adobe forum. My understanding is that Frame 9 was developed entirely
overseas, safely away from anyone who might give them adverse but
useful feedback.
It's a big company thing to do: play up the window dressing without
fussing
Hi all,
I've been lurking here for a few weeks - great list! I'd like to reach out to
any editors and copyeditors who spar with change tracking or have developed
other more elegant methods. For example, what's a clean and visible way to
include lengthy marginal comments?
Is there a separate
Although I don't use Frame daily, I have used Frame 8 on Windows 7
Professional with no issues.
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> Does anyone have solid information on whether or not FrameMaker 8.x is
> compatible with Windows 7?
> One of the engineers in a group
We use Subversion and I have no issues with it. If you don't have to
use source control, it's purely a matter of preference but I wouldn't
put up a fight about it if they tell you to use it.
Get the Tortoise shell for Subversion, assuming you use Windows, and
you'll get used to it in no time.
On
Alison,
We recently switched to Subversion from Rational ClearCase for some of the same
reasons. I use Tortoise SVN (http://tortoisesvn.net/), which integrates with
Windows Explorer. And yes, you can lock files, which is a good idea with binary
files since you can't merge changes with those
I have created a PDF file from a FrameMaker 8 book. When I try printing the
PDF file the printing operation stops at the same page every time I retry
printing. The same thing occurs when I create a PDF from the file in the
book corresponding to the problem.
Attached is the log file generated by
IIRC it's a personal/local dictionary problem. There was a thread on this
recently.
I think if you delete your personal dictionary it will solve the problem.
Same thing happened to me several month back.
I don't recall what caused the corruption.
Another bit of buggery in FM9.
Will White
On Aug
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