FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread Helen Borrie
Hello list, I'm struggling a bit here with conditionals, specifically text containing cross-references. The original unstructured book is 40 chapters and 14 appendices with all the other usual front and back matter. It is in distribution as a PDF. Naturally it has a ton of cross-references

Re: FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit Really?!

2013-02-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
Best practice is to use a version control system such as Subversion. Gives you the performance of local files, all the advantages of network sharing, plus additional advantages. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM, rebecca officer rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz wrote: Hi Gary That's

Re: Crash when i print from book

2013-02-20 Thread Ken Poshedly
The only thing I know for sure (found while researching for my own problems that started the recent FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit Really?! thread is that 11004 means that you're running FrameMaker version 11 (like you stated). The rest is a big secret. -- Ken in Atlanta

Re: Importing FM files into RoboHelp

2013-02-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
File Project Settings Edit (conversion settings for FrameMaker documents), select the paragraph style, check Pagination. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: I am creating a RoboHelp project out of a FrameMaker book. I can't find a way to break the imported

Re: FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 On 20-Feb-13 10:01 AM, Helen Borrie wrote: Hello list, I'm struggling a bit here with conditionals, specifically text containing cross-references. The original unstructured book is 40 chapters and 14 appendices with all the other usual front and back

Re: FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Are you sure it's not generating the TOC and index? It thought Frame updated whatever it could, even if some things were unresolved. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 20-Feb-13 10:01 AM, Helen Borrie wrote: Hello list, I'm struggling a bit here with conditionals,

Re: Emailing: text_format.xml

2013-02-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Thanks Klause and Rick for your help. I got it to work with the two drop-down lists. Here's the toolbar: So far it's stable. It could be it's stable because of the limited amount of things that I need on it. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson

RE: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
You can play around a bit with shading in the FM prefs, but it's pretty limited. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joel Sent: February-20-13 8:50 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame 11 Appearance I am on Windows

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Under Edit Preferences you can select the monitor size. That might sharpen the text on the tabs. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 On 20-Feb-13 3:50 PM, Joel wrote: I am on Windows 7, using Frame 11. Ever since moving to Win 7 and Frame 11,

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Yves Barbion
Hi Joel I'm seeing this too (Frame 11, Windows XP), so it must be a Frame feature. Very ugly indeed. I prefer the old Frame 9 tabs, without the shadow, much clearer: @Shmuel: changing the monitor preferences doesn't help in my case. Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu

Re: Importing FM files into RoboHelp

2013-02-20 Thread Matt Sullivan
If the Pagination option for RH9 doesn't say Pagination (Split topic at this level), or something close to that, you'll want to update to the latest patch for RH. That patch helps many TCS linking issues -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter:

Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Yves Barbion
Hi group Is there a way to expand ALL elements in the Document view? This topic in the FM11 Help just tells me that it is possible, but it doesn't tell me HOW: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSAC2EAE05-E688-41d5-8540-91F5E2D3981D.html Thanks. -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu

Re: Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Matt Sullivan
The Esc, E X shortcut expands/collapses the current element and its siblings. -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter: @mattrsullivan phone: 714 960-6840 On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:35 AM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote: Yves, You can expand

RE: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Bethany Lee
I am pretty sure that is a frame thing. I went from Frame 9 to Frame 11 recently without changing my OS and I get that ugly font and shadow too. I wonder whose idea that was! I hate it! It's really hard to read. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Karen Robbins
Me too! I truly dislike the dark, drab, low-contrasty appearance of Frame and all the Adobe apps. Whatever happened to clarity, readability, contrast, and the ability to size UI text for improved accessibility? Even the best settings aren't good enough--it goes from really low contrast and

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Carol J. Elkins
I'm so glad other people have commented about their dislike of this feature. I hate it too. But it isn't that the text isn't sharp, it's that it has a white drop-shadow. Adobe, please make this go away on the next version or tell us if we can change it ourselves. It has made it very difficult

RE: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Consistent look feel across all Adobe products = equally bad UI for all ;) -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: February-20-13 1:55 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re:

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Tori Muir
Preach it, sister! #1 thing our team HATE about Acrobat X: the Next/Previous comment buttons for PDF edits were taken away. Why, Adobe, why?! It took considerable effort to convince our clients to shift from an all-Word workflow to a Frame + PDF markup workflow, then

Re: Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Yves Barbion
Thank you for your answers Matt and David, but neither of your approaches expands ALL elements, for example in an EDD. -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Frank Stearns
Framers - Glad this topic has come up. A few months back we were invited to offer opinions to one of the engineers involved with UI design. we had a 90 minute call; I came prepared with a long list generated after only a short stint with FM11 -- my list had most of the same complaints

Re: Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread David Spreadbury
Yves, I don't believe there is a way to expand ALL elements. Only at each level of indention. From: Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Expand all elements in the

Re: FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread Helen Borrie
At 11:42 p.m. 20/02/2013, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: Are you sure it's not generating the TOC and index? It thought Frame updated whatever it could, even if some things were unresolved. I was hoping that would be so, but so far it is not. I'll persevere because I'm not keen to throw the baby out

RE: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Steve Rickaby
I wasn't going to say it. I really wasn't. I read the postings, and didn't post. And didn't post. I tried so hard not to post. But I failed. The ghastly thing that Joel posted was *so* reminiscent of circa-mid-1990s Mac apps, when they were constrained to fake fonts like 'New York', with klunky

Re: Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Matt Sullivan
Yes, that was my gentle way of saying You're out of luck on that one -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter: @mattrsullivan phone: 714 960-6840 On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: id, but neither of your

Re: Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread yves.barb...@gmail.com
Aha! That's what I suspected. And my original post was actually a gentle feature request. ;-) Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Matt Sullivan m...@mattrsullivan.com To: Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Expand all elements in the

RE: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Sharon Burton
I have spent time with anyone on the TCS team I could find, complaining about the UI for older eyes. It's a perfectly suitable UI for 25 year old eyes and a perfectly wretched UI for older eyes. The low contrast tiny icons are horrible and make my head hurt after an hour or so. Stronger contrast

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Stuart Rogers
On 20/02/2013 3:12 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: Framers - Glad this topic has come up. ... Adobe does monitor this list, so perhaps seeing common expressions about the same issues adds weight. Now, that doesn't mean a pile on; I think/hope they've gotten the message. Thanks very much for

RE: Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Not going to do you that much good here – this list is an “under the radar” channel that Adobe dips into occasionally – I’d throw it their way via the https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform page ;) From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com

Re: Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Prentice
Well .. I believe that the StructureTools plugin from WestStreet Consulting does provide a command to do this .. http://weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_StructureTools.htm Grab the trial and check it out. ...scott On 2/20/13 12:30 PM, yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: Aha! That's what I

Re: FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread Helen Borrie
At 10:37 a.m. 21/02/2013, rebecca officer wrote: Hi Helen Our books end up with thousands of hidden unresolved xrefs and they've never been a problem. If I'm reading this right, your TOC etc won't update, and you're blaming the hidden unresolved xrefs. Right? Well...more like assuming

RE: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
For me, the so-called new and improved UI in FM 11 is why I generally still use FM 8 for some of my older documents, and only start FM 11 when I have the need for features in it. The look and feel of the recent versions of FM are the worst (some good features, but mostly bad) since I began

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread rebecca officer
Hi everyone I actually raised this as a bug with Adobe when I first saw FM11. It's worse than just ugly for me; that drop-shadow's a bit of a migraine trigger. I'm really hoping they'll make it optional! Cheers Rebecca Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com 02/21/13 7:57 AM I'm so glad

Re: FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread rebecca officer
Hi Helen Our books end up with thousands of hidden unresolved xrefs and they've never been a problem. If I'm reading this right, your TOC etc won't update, and you're blaming the hidden unresolved xrefs. Right? I think the hidden unresolved xrefs probably aren't the problem. What evidence

"FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!

2013-02-20 Thread Alan T Litchfield
About the network switch over. We have just done that and how well applications play depends upon what protocols and configurations are set up, and how switches are managed (oh so many variables). Certainly, when we had Novell (which served well for decades) it had an annoying habit of

FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread Helen Borrie
Hello list, I'm struggling a bit here with conditionals, specifically text containing cross-references. The original unstructured book is 40 chapters and 14 appendices with all the other usual front and back matter. It is in distribution as a PDF. Naturally it has a ton of cross-references

FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 On 20-Feb-13 10:01 AM, Helen Borrie wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm struggling a bit here with conditionals, specifically text containing > cross-references. The original unstructured book is 40 chapters and 14 > appendices with all the other usual front and

FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

2013-02-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Are you sure it's not generating the TOC and index? It thought Frame updated whatever it could, even if some things were unresolved. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 20-Feb-13 10:01 AM, Helen Borrie wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm struggling a bit here with conditionals,

Emailing: text_format.xml

2013-02-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Joel
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Yves Barbion
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Importing FM files into RoboHelp

2013-02-20 Thread Matt Sullivan
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Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Yves Barbion
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Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread David Spreadbury
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2013-02-20 Thread Matt Sullivan
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Bethany Lee
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Karen Robbins
Me too! I truly dislike the dark, drab, low-contrasty appearance of Frame and all the Adobe apps. Whatever happened to clarity, readability, contrast, and the ability to size UI text for improved accessibility? Even the best settings aren't good enough--it goes from really low contrast and

Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Carol J. Elkins
I'm so glad other people have commented about their dislike of this "feature." I hate it too. But it isn't that the text isn't sharp, it's that it has a white drop-shadow. Adobe, please make this go away on the next version or tell us if we can change it ourselves. It has made it very

Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Consistent look & feel across all Adobe products = equally bad UI for all ;>) -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: February-20-13 1:55 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Tori Muir
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Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Yves Barbion
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Frank Stearns
Framers - Glad this topic has come up. A few months back we were invited to offer opinions to one of the engineers involved with UI design. we had a 90 minute call; I came prepared with a long list generated after only a short stint with FM11 -- my list had most of the same complaints voiced

Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread David Spreadbury
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Steve Rickaby
I wasn't going to say it. I really wasn't. I read the postings, and didn't post. And didn't post. I tried so hard not to post. But I failed. The ghastly thing that Joel posted was *so* reminiscent of circa-mid-1990s Mac apps, when they were constrained to fake fonts like 'New York', with klunky

Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Matt Sullivan
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Re: Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread yves.barb...@gmail.com
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Sharon Burton
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Stuart Rogers
On 20/02/2013 3:12 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: > Framers - > > Glad this topic has come up. ... > Adobe does monitor this list, so perhaps seeing common expressions about > the same issues adds weight. Now, that doesn't mean a "pile on;" I > think/hope they've gotten the message. > Thanks very much

Expand all elements in the Document view

2013-02-20 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
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2013-02-20 Thread Scott Prentice
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Frame 11 Appearance

2013-02-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
For me, the so-called "new and improved" UI in FM 11 is why I generally still use FM 8 for some of my older documents, and only start FM 11 when I have the need for features in it. The look and feel of the recent versions of FM are the worst (some good features, but mostly bad) since I began