date:20130228

At 16:18 +0200 28/2/13, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

I'm not 100% sure about all this. I've just noticed certain combinations don't 
work and certain do. If anyone has more definitive information, please let us 
know.

As Fred explained to me off list, FrameMaker stores an in-document xref 
differently to an ex-document xref, without a file path. This means - as 
several of you have said - that pasting an in-document xref to another document 
in the same book will not work.

Thanks everyone. You learn something new every day - whether you intend to or 
not ;-)

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RE: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

2013-02-28 Thread Alison Craig

I do the same thing on a small scale all the time (21 files in my book). But in 
order to avoid the unresolved problem I take the following steps.

1. all files in the book are open
2. after pasting the repeated xref, double-click it to bring up the xref dialog
3. ensure the Marker Type and Cross-Reference Markers match properly
4. click the Replace button to update the link and ensure it's live

It sounds like a lot of work, but it only takes a few seconds - and it's a lot 
faster than creating a repeated xref from scratch.

Alison


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To: Shmuel Wolfson; Fred Ridder; Harro de Jong; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

At 16:18 +0200 28/2/13, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

I'm not 100% sure about all this. I've just noticed certain combinations don't 
work and certain do. If anyone has more definitive information, please let us 
know.

As Fred explained to me off list, FrameMaker stores an in-document xref 
differently to an ex-document xref, without a file path. This means - as 
several of you have said - that pasting an in-document xref to another document 
in the same book will not work.

Thanks everyone. You learn something new every day - whether you intend to or 
not ;-)

-- 
Steve
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RE: Relative vs. absolute links

2013-02-28 Thread Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp

Hi Peggy,

it's your workflow that creates the confusion in references.

You say: ''3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to 
FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the 
Graphics subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In 
retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but 
cross-references between files were all broken.''

If you open the files individually in FM9, it can't resolve cross refs because 
these are in FM7 files. If you didn't change names (didn't you …?) best 
approach is to use a book file for all the docs, open the book in FM9, open all 
files in the book accepting all errors and then save al files in the book, 
next: update all references. Now at least the cross refs should be resolved.

Then you say: ''4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the 
book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than 
the FM 9 files and copied the Graphics directory to the same folder as the 
MIF files.'' 

If you save a file in a different folder, all references will still point to 
the original locations. So saving the FM9 files in a FM7 folder will not let 
them point to the graphics folder in the FM7 folder.  So you should first save, 
then move.

Your paths are not 'changing to absolute' but are still relative, although 
pointing to the wrong folder. (note that when you read a MIF file all paths are 
written as absolute paths).

You better use a book mover utility….



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RE: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

At 10:08 -0800 28/2/13, Alison Craig wrote:

I do the same thing on a small scale all the time (21 files in my book). But 
in order to avoid the unresolved problem I take the following steps...

Neat trick: I'll remember that. Many thanks.

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2013-02-28 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann

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RE: Relative vs. absolute links

2013-02-28 Thread Harvey, Peggy

Hi Rick,

Thank you for the information, it sounds like an interesting tool. In my case 
no folders or files have been renamed so that isn’t the problem.

Like Alison, I’d like to know *why* FrameMaker seems to be changing relative 
references to absolute ones when I’ve followed the rules and kept all files in 
the same directory with graphics neatly organized in a single subdirectory. My 
understanding of FrameMaker was that maintaining relative references was one of 
the program’s claims to fame; now it seems that “feature” is a lot more fragile 
than I thought.

Thanks,

Peggy

From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:15 PM
To: 'Alison Craig'; 'Paul Wilbraham'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Alison and Peggy,

Please forgive me if I have sent you this link before. Please let me know if 
you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

http://frameautomation.com/2010/02/23/managing-imported-images-solution/

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com



From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:06 PM
To: Paul Wilbraham; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

I would agree, as when I send the files out – all on the same drive – 
everything works fine with relative paths.

But when they come back – still all on the same drive – they are returned with 
absolute paths.

That’s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don’t change – but the 
paths become absolute anyway.

Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files 
are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no 
network issue, at least on my end.

Alison

From: Paul Wilbraham [mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Alison Craig; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Alison
We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. 
Graphics on a separate drive are absolute.

--Paul
On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig 
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:
I’d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute 
issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators.

Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format – so 
my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning.

Alison

PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics 
in a series of subfolders.

From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a “Graphics” subdirectory for all graphics.

Here’s the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the “Graphics” 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the “Graphics” directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files – the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I’d just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I’d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further 
inspection I

RE: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

Steve Rickaby wrote:
 
 I have a lot of new in-book xrefs to add, so I am finding the first such 
 instance,
 setting up the xref, then copy/pasting it to all other required locations in 
 the book.
...
 
 What's happening is that I get no unresolved xrefs, but after I've closed the 
 book
 files and then reopened them, many of the pasted copies of the xref have 
 become
 unresolved (maybe those that were pasted into a different chapter to the one 
 from
 which the original xref was copied, but I've not checked for this in detail).

I just tested this, it works like that for me too. (FM9)
The xref you paste into a different file will become unresolved. Basically it 
will try and find the xref marker in the current file, instead of the file you 
copied the xref from.

There is a workaround: 
1. Paste the xref into a different chapter.
2. resolve the xref. The xref will now contain a reference to the correct file.
3. Copy the resolved xref
4. Now you can paste the xref from step 3 into all other chapters.

Harro de Jong
Triview
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RE: Frame versus XSL-FO

You had to mention DITA, didn’t you? ;-)

We’ve made FO stylesheets for PDF output from Author-IT, those typically take a 
couple of days. The DITA Open Toolkit looks positively byzantine by comparison.


Harro de Jong
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: woensdag 27 februari 2013 15:58
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame versus XSL-FO

Hi Harro

If you can develop an FO stylesheet for DITA-sourced content in only 3 times 
the amount of time it takes me to develop the same DITA-FMx template, then we 
should talk. We may have a lot of work for you then. ;-)

Cheers


--
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nuhttp://www.scripto.nu

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Harro de Jong 
harro.dej...@triviewgroup.commailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com wrote:
That's not been my experience with FO templating. I've seen FO templating take 
maybe 1.5-3x as long as in FrameMaker. $200k sounds more like they developed an 
entire formatting engine.

Harro de Jong
Triview

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Re: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

That's one of the reasons I prefer to put all my content into a single
.fm file. My books typically have only three or four files:
booknameFM.fm for front matter used only for PDF, booknameTOC.fm, and
sometimes booknameIX.fm.

Once upon a time computers weren't powerful enough to handle a
200-page .fm file, but that hasn't been the case for a long time.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Alison Craig
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:
 I do the same thing on a small scale all the time (21 files in my book). But 
 in order to avoid the unresolved problem I take the following steps.

 1. all files in the book are open
 2. after pasting the repeated xref, double-click it to bring up the xref 
 dialog
 3. ensure the Marker Type and Cross-Reference Markers match properly
 4. click the Replace button to update the link and ensure it's live

 It sounds like a lot of work, but it only takes a few seconds - and it's a 
 lot faster than creating a repeated xref from scratch.
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RW Rules vs EDD Conflict

2013-02-28 Thread Lisa Freeman


Hello All,

I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.

I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I 
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the following 
error:

Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the 
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template.

The link takes me to the is fm graphic element statement below.

My rules are:

element Graphic

{

is fm graphic element Graphic;

fm property entity value is illus;

}

And I have the following defined in my EDD:

Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus  Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.

Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!


Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst

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RE: Relative vs. absolute links

2013-02-28 Thread Harvey, Peggy

Hi Wim,

Thanks for your input. When I opened each file individually I did do it from 
the book file, saved each file, and updated the book (including references) - 
for both the FM 9 and FM 7 files the xrefs were still unresolved.

I'll have to try saving first, then moving, maybe that will do the trick. 
Thought I'd save time by doing both in one step but apparently not.

Thanks,

Peggy


From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:24 PM
To: Harvey, Peggy
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Peggy,

it's your workflow that creates the confusion in references.

You say: ''3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to 
FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the 
Graphics subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In 
retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but 
cross-references between files were all broken.''

If you open the files individually in FM9, it can't resolve cross refs because 
these are in FM7 files. If you didn't change names (didn't you ...?) best 
approach is to use a book file for all the docs, open the book in FM9, open all 
files in the book accepting all errors and then save al files in the book, 
next: update all references. Now at least the cross refs should be resolved.

Then you say: ''4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the 
book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than 
the FM 9 files and copied the Graphics directory to the same folder as the 
MIF files.''

If you save a file in a different folder, all references will still point to 
the original locations. So saving the FM9 files in a FM7 folder will not let 
them point to the graphics folder in the FM7 folder.  So you should first save, 
then move.

Your paths are not 'changing to absolute' but are still relative, although 
pointing to the wrong folder. (note that when you read a MIF file all paths are 
written as absolute paths).

You better use a book mover utility


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel

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RE: Cannot find the file named...

2013-02-28 Thread David Artman

Thanks, Heiko, but I don't understand how the OS or network gets
fingered when ALL other applications that I use work normally. Even
Adobe applications.

If Frame is too impatient, that's a BUG, not a 'problem' with the
ever-so-slow network. I was hoping to learn about some kind of INI file
setting (make it more patient, perhaps?) or known conflicts with other
applications, which can bork up the automatic application launching.

If the gods are good, I won't be using FM any more in a quarter or two,
so I'll just bull along with the broken beast until then. I don't have
the bandwidth to rebuild my work machine to try to blindly ferret out
some conflict or screwed up FM DLL or whatever

Thanks anyway;
David

 Original Message 
From: Heiko Haida i...@heiko-haida.de
Date: Tue, February 26, 2013 2:06 pm

 Hello David,
 lately I have a similar problem: double-clicking takes vey long to
start the application and to open the file, whereas the normal Open
dialog from within the application works as usual.
 This is not always the case, but if, then it happens with any
application, also MS Word, Excel and so on. 
Here it helped to uncheck the DDE option for those file-types (which is
not possible for Frame-files), but today I saw that the option is
checked again mysteriously.
 So my guess about this would be that its rather a problem with the OS
or with the network, not necessarily with FrameMaker.
FM seems to expect a quick answer from the OS and handles the delay as
file error (my interpretation, only a guess).
 I am using Windows XP here, by the way.
If someone has an explanation to this problem, I would also be very
glad.
 Best regards
 Tino H. Haida, Berlin
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optimizing and copying column widths

1. I have to copy a bunch of unformatted tables from a wiki into an
unstructured FrameMaker 10 document, which will be delivered as PDF.
(Someday we'll just leave them on the wiki but there are various
practical reasons we can't.) Here's my workflow.

- copy a table in browser
- paste as text in FM
- select and Convert to Table
- use Resize Selected Columns To Width of Selected Cells' Contents to
size columns where that makes sense
- fiddle around with various widths for the other columns until it looks good

Is there a more efficient way to optimize column widths? Word and
OpenOffice Writer automate that fairly well

2. These tables are all similar and have the same headings, so I can
use the same widths. Workflow:

- copy table in FM
- copy cells in Firefox
- paste as text in an FM scratch document
- select and Convert to Table
- copy cells
- select cells in copied table and paste, selecting Replace Current Rows

Is there a more efficient way? It's too bad FM10's Paste doesn't
recognize browser table cells as table cells.
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Re: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict

2013-02-28 Thread Scott Prentice


Hi Lisa...

Try changing your rules to this (don't need the Graphic in the first 
rule) ..


element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element;
fm property entity value is illus;
}

Not sure if that's the problem, but it's a place to start.

...scott

On 2/28/13 10:36 AM, Lisa Freeman wrote:


Hello All,

I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.

I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, 
I presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get 
the following error:


Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined 
by the read/write rules is different from that defined by the template.


The link takes me to the is fm graphic element statement below.

My rules are:

*element Graphic *

*{*

*is fm graphic element Graphic;*

*fm property entity value is illus;*

*}*

And I have the following defined in my EDD:

Element (Graphic): Graphic

Attribute list

Name: illus  Integer Required

Initial graphic element format

In all contexts.

Insert imported graphic file.

Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

Sincerely,

*Lisa Freeman*

Publication Support Analyst

*O'NEIL  ASSOCIATES, INC.* http://www.oneil.com


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RE: optimizing and copying column widths

2013-02-28 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Robert,

My TableCleaner plugin gives you some options for scaling multiple tables at
once.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/


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1. I have to copy a bunch of unformatted tables from a wiki into an
unstructured FrameMaker 10 document, which will be delivered as PDF.
(Someday we'll just leave them on the wiki but there are various practical
reasons we can't.) Here's my workflow.

- copy a table in browser
- paste as text in FM
- select and Convert to Table
- use Resize Selected Columns To Width of Selected Cells' Contents to size
columns where that makes sense
- fiddle around with various widths for the other columns until it looks
good

Is there a more efficient way to optimize column widths? Word and OpenOffice
Writer automate that fairly well

2. These tables are all similar and have the same headings, so I can use the
same widths. Workflow:

- copy table in FM
- copy cells in Firefox
- paste as text in an FM scratch document
- select and Convert to Table
- copy cells
- select cells in copied table and paste, selecting Replace Current Rows

Is there a more efficient way? It's too bad FM10's Paste doesn't recognize
browser table cells as table cells.
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RE: optimizing and copying column widths

2013-02-28 Thread Combs, Richard

Robert Lauriston wrote:
 
 I see that there's a Copy Special  Copy Table Column Width command.
 Unfortunately it works for only one column at a time, but that'll
 still be faster than what I was doing.

Get Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plugin (frameexpert.com) -- highly recommended.

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why is FM's UI so weird and buggy?

2013-02-28 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi,

OK. It  should never happen, that some features do not work.
Or that features/shortcut keys get broken.
However, the new interface really offers some very useful
dialogs. For example:
o Checking all references with the Insets pod.
o Checking cross-references with the Cross-references pod.
o Checking occurences of conditional text with the Add/edit conditional
  tag pod.

I like it that such information is at hand and ordered at the bottom
or at the right of my monitor. Yes. Some steps could be more
intuitive. However, that's not the end of the world.
(I use FrameMaker for 20 years now and work with FrameMaker 10
for a year.)

Best regards

Winfried

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> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:14 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: why is FM's UI so weird and buggy?
>
> I don't think Adobe's UI work has anything to do with Macs. In fact,
> it seems to be the antithesis of Mac UI design! :-)
>
> Recent/current versions of FM's UI (and those of other Adobe
> products) apparently do not make comprehensible use of usability
> research! The complaints I read on this list frequently point to how
> the bad UI interferes with and requires extra steps to workflow. For
> the complex projects of Adobe's target FM users, one would think that
> exceptionally efficient and intuitive workflow would be demanded and
> required. From a user's standpoint, consistency at the expense of
> usability is, at best, ineffective.
>
> As long as we keep using this (and all) Adobe products--and do so
> without creative and instructional criticism, their UIs will continue
> to be designed ineffectively. Only when users speak up with voices
> and dollars [insert your local currency here] is there a chance for
> the UI to improve.
>
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2013-02-28 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

doesn?t have to, either.

Thanks,

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Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

I think I might be trying to do something that I shouldn't, but I'm not sure.

I have a lot of new in-book xrefs to add, so I am finding the first such 
instance, setting up the xref, then copy/pasting it to all other required 
locations in the book. What I' actually doing is replacing a plain-text version 
of a heading with an xref to the heading, to ensure consistency.

What's happening is that I get no unresolved xrefs, but after I've closed the 
book files and then reopened them, many of the pasted copies of the xref have 
become unresolved (maybe those that were pasted into a different chapter to the 
one from which the original xref was copied, but I've not checked for this in 
detail). Bringing up the xref dialog on the unresolved xrefs just gives a pick 
list of xref markers within the current chapter.

Am I trying to do something FrameMaker doesn't support? I though I'd done this 
before and it had worked, but I can't swear to it.

FrameMaker 7 on Mac
-- 
Steve

Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

2013-02-28 Thread Jeff Coatsworth

I think I'd add doing an update of all xrefs into that workflow before saving & 
closing the book. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:07 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

I think I might be trying to do something that I shouldn't, but I'm not sure.

I have a lot of new in-book xrefs to add, so I am finding the first such 
instance, setting up the xref, then copy/pasting it to all other required 
locations in the book. What I' actually doing is replacing a plain-text version 
of a heading with an xref to the heading, to ensure consistency.

What's happening is that I get no unresolved xrefs, but after I've closed the 
book files and then reopened them, many of the pasted copies of the xref have 
become unresolved (maybe those that were pasted into a different chapter to the 
one from which the original xref was copied, but I've not checked for this in 
detail). Bringing up the xref dialog on the unresolved xrefs just gives a pick 
list of xref markers within the current chapter.

Am I trying to do something FrameMaker doesn't support? I though I'd done this 
before and it had worked, but I can't swear to it.

FrameMaker 7 on Mac
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Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

2013-02-28 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

I think it has to do with wither the cross-reference source and 
destination are in the same file. If the source (the place were the 
cross-reference is located) is in File A and the destination is in File 
B, I think you can copy that cross-reference to File C without a 
problem. Likewise if the source and destination are both in File A, you 
can copy the cross-reference to other places in File A.

But if the source and destination are both in File A, you may not be 
able to copy the cross-reference to File B. Likewise if the source is in 
File A and the destination is in File B, you may not be able to copy the 
cross-reference to File A.

I'm not 100% sure about all this. I've just noticed certain combinations 
don't work and certain do. If anyone has more definitive information, 
please let us know.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 28-Feb-13 3:07 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> I think I might be trying to do something that I shouldn't, but I'm not sure.
>
> I have a lot of new in-book xrefs to add, so I am finding the first such 
> instance, setting up the xref, then copy/pasting it to all other required 
> locations in the book. What I' actually doing is replacing a plain-text 
> version of a heading with an xref to the heading, to ensure consistency.
>
> What's happening is that I get no unresolved xrefs, but after I've closed the 
> book files and then reopened them, many of the pasted copies of the xref have 
> become unresolved (maybe those that were pasted into a different chapter to 
> the one from which the original xref was copied, but I've not checked for 
> this in detail). Bringing up the xref dialog on the unresolved xrefs just 
> gives a pick list of xref markers within the current chapter.
>
> Am I trying to do something FrameMaker doesn't support? I though I'd done 
> this before and it had worked, but I can't swear to it.
>
> FrameMaker 7 on Mac

Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

At 16:18 +0200 28/2/13, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>I'm not 100% sure about all this. I've just noticed certain combinations don't 
>work and certain do. If anyone has more definitive information, please let us 
>know.

As Fred explained to me off list, FrameMaker stores an in-document xref 
differently to an ex-document xref, without a file path. This means - as 
several of you have said - that pasting an in-document xref to another document 
in the same book will not work.

Thanks everyone. You learn something new every day - whether you intend to or 
not ;-)

-- 
Steve

Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

2013-02-28 Thread Alison Craig

I do the same thing on a small scale all the time (21 files in my book). But in 
order to avoid the "unresolved" problem I take the following steps.

1. all files in the book are open
2. after pasting the repeated xref, double-click it to bring up the xref dialog
3. ensure the Marker Type and Cross-Reference Markers match properly
4. click the Replace button to update the link and ensure it's "live"

It sounds like a lot of work, but it only takes a few seconds - and it's a lot 
faster than creating a repeated xref from scratch.

Alison

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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:29 AM
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Fred Ridder; Harro de Jong; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

At 16:18 +0200 28/2/13, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>I'm not 100% sure about all this. I've just noticed certain combinations don't 
>work and certain do. If anyone has more definitive information, please let us 
>know.

As Fred explained to me off list, FrameMaker stores an in-document xref 
differently to an ex-document xref, without a file path. This means - as 
several of you have said - that pasting an in-document xref to another document 
in the same book will not work.

Thanks everyone. You learn something new every day - whether you intend to or 
not ;-)

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Relative vs. absolute links

2013-02-28 Thread Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp

Hi Peggy,

it's your workflow that creates the confusion in references.

You say: ''3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to
FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the
"Graphics" subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In
retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but
cross-references between files were all broken.''

If you open the files individually in FM9, it can't resolve cross refs because
these are in FM7 files. If you didn't change names (didn't you ??) best
approach is to use a book file for all the docs, open the book in FM9, open all
files in the book accepting all errors and then save al files in the book,
next: update all references. Now at least the cross refs should be resolved.

Then you say: ''4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the
book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than
the FM 9 files and copied the "Graphics" directory to the same folder as the
MIF files.''

If you save a file in a different folder, all references will still point to
the original locations. So saving the FM9 files in a FM7 folder will not let
them point to the graphics folder in the FM7 folder. So you should first save,
then move.

Your paths are not 'changing to absolute' but are still relative, although
pointing to the wrong folder. (note that when you read a MIF file all paths are
written as absolute paths).

You better use a book mover utility?.

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

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At 10:08 -0800 28/2/13, Alison Craig wrote:

>I do the same thing on a small scale all the time (21 files in my book). But 
>in order to avoid the "unresolved" problem I take the following steps...

Neat trick: I'll remember that. Many thanks.

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Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

Steve Rickaby wrote:
> 
> I have a lot of new in-book xrefs to add, so I am finding the first such 
> instance,
> setting up the xref, then copy/pasting it to all other required locations in 
> the book.
...
> 
> What's happening is that I get no unresolved xrefs, but after I've closed the 
> book
> files and then reopened them, many of the pasted copies of the xref have 
> become
> unresolved (maybe those that were pasted into a different chapter to the one 
> from
> which the original xref was copied, but I've not checked for this in detail).

I just tested this, it works like that for me too. (FM9)
The xref you paste into a different file will become unresolved. Basically it 
will try and find the xref marker in the current file, instead of the file you 
copied the xref from.

There is a workaround: 
1. Paste the xref into a different chapter.
2. resolve the xref. The xref will now contain a reference to the correct file.
3. Copy the resolved xref
4. Now you can paste the xref from step 3 into all other chapters.

Harro de Jong
Triview

Frame versus XSL-FO

You had to mention DITA, didn?t you? ;-)

We?ve made FO stylesheets for PDF output from Author-IT, those typically take a 
couple of days. The DITA Open Toolkit looks positively byzantine by comparison.


Harro de Jong
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: woensdag 27 februari 2013 15:58
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame versus XSL-FO

Hi Harro

If you can develop an FO stylesheet for DITA-sourced content in only 3 times 
the amount of time it takes me to develop the same DITA-FMx template, then we 
should talk. We may have a lot of work for you then. ;-)

Cheers


--
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Harro de Jong mailto:Harro.deJong at triviewgroup.com>> wrote:
That's not been my experience with FO templating. I've seen FO templating take 
maybe 1.5-3x as long as in FrameMaker. $200k sounds more like they developed an 
entire formatting engine.

Harro de Jong
Triview

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That's one of the reasons I prefer to put all my content into a single
.fm file. My books typically have only three or four files:
booknameFM.fm for front matter used only for PDF, booknameTOC.fm, and
sometimes booknameIX.fm.

Once upon a time computers weren't powerful enough to handle a
200-page .fm file, but that hasn't been the case for a long time.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Alison Craig
 wrote:
> I do the same thing on a small scale all the time (21 files in my book). But 
> in order to avoid the "unresolved" problem I take the following steps.
>
> 1. all files in the book are open
> 2. after pasting the repeated xref, double-click it to bring up the xref 
> dialog
> 3. ensure the Marker Type and Cross-Reference Markers match properly
> 4. click the Replace button to update the link and ensure it's "live"
>
> It sounds like a lot of work, but it only takes a few seconds - and it's a 
> lot faster than creating a repeated xref from scratch.

RW Rules vs EDD Conflict

2013-02-28 Thread Lisa Freeman

Hello All,

I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.

I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the following
error:

"Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template."

The link takes me to the "is fm graphic element" statement below.

My rules are:

element "Graphic"

{

is fm graphic element "Graphic";

fm property entity value is "illus";

}

And I have the following defined in my EDD:

Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.

Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst

O'NEIL & ASSOCIATES, INC.<http://www.oneil.com>

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2013-02-28 Thread Harvey, Peggy

Hi Wim,

Thanks for your input. When I opened each file individually I did do it from 
the book file, saved each file, and updated the book (including references) - 
for both the FM 9 and FM 7 files the xrefs were still unresolved.

I'll have to try saving first, then moving, maybe that will do the trick. 
Thought I'd save time by doing both in one step but apparently not.

Thanks,

Peggy


From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:24 PM
To: Harvey, Peggy
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Peggy,

it's your workflow that creates the confusion in references.

You say: ''3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to 
FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the 
"Graphics" subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In 
retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but 
cross-references between files were all broken.''

If you open the files individually in FM9, it can't resolve cross refs because 
these are in FM7 files. If you didn't change names (didn't you ...?) best 
approach is to use a book file for all the docs, open the book in FM9, open all 
files in the book accepting all errors and then save al files in the book, 
next: update all references. Now at least the cross refs should be resolved.

Then you say: ''4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the 
book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than 
the FM 9 files and copied the "Graphics" directory to the same folder as the 
MIF files.''

If you save a file in a different folder, all references will still point to 
the original locations. So saving the FM9 files in a FM7 folder will not let 
them point to the graphics folder in the FM7 folder.  So you should first save, 
then move.

Your paths are not 'changing to absolute' but are still relative, although 
pointing to the wrong folder. (note that when you read a MIF file all paths are 
written as absolute paths).

You better use a book mover utility


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel

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Information Exchange
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2013-02-28 Thread David Artman

Thanks, Heiko, but I don't understand how the OS or network gets
fingered when ALL other applications that I use work normally. Even
Adobe applications.

If Frame is too impatient, that's a BUG, not a 'problem' with the
ever-so-slow network. I was hoping to learn about some kind of INI file
setting (make it more patient, perhaps?) or known conflicts with other
applications, which can bork up the automatic application launching.

If the gods are good, I won't be using FM any more in a quarter or two,
so I'll just bull along with the broken beast until then. I don't have
the bandwidth to rebuild my work machine to try to blindly ferret out
some conflict or screwed up FM DLL or whatever

Thanks anyway;
David

 Original Message 
From: Heiko Haida 
Date: Tue, February 26, 2013 2:06 pm

 Hello David,
 lately I have a similar problem: double-clicking takes vey long to
start the application and to open the file, whereas the normal Open
dialog from within the application works as usual.
 This is not always the case, but if, then it happens with any
application, also MS Word, Excel and so on. 
Here it helped to uncheck the DDE option for those file-types (which is
not possible for Frame-files), but today I saw that the option is
checked again mysteriously.
 So my guess about this would be that its rather a problem with the OS
or with the network, not necessarily with FrameMaker.
FM seems to expect a quick answer from the OS and handles the delay as
file error (my interpretation, only a guess).
 I am using Windows XP here, by the way.
If someone has an explanation to this problem, I would also be very
glad.
 Best regards
 Tino H. Haida, Berlin

optimizing and copying column widths

1. I have to copy a bunch of unformatted tables from a wiki into an
unstructured FrameMaker 10 document, which will be delivered as PDF.
(Someday we'll just leave them on the wiki but there are various
practical reasons we can't.) Here's my workflow.

- copy a table in browser
- paste as text in FM
- select and Convert to Table
- use Resize Selected Columns To Width of Selected Cells' Contents to
size columns where that makes sense
- fiddle around with various widths for the other columns until it looks good

Is there a more efficient way to optimize column widths? Word and
OpenOffice Writer automate that fairly well

2. These tables are all similar and have the same headings, so I can
use the same widths. Workflow:

- copy table in FM
- copy cells in Firefox
- paste as text in an FM scratch document
- select and Convert to Table
- copy cells
- select cells in copied table and paste, selecting Replace Current Rows

Is there a more efficient way? It's too bad FM10's Paste doesn't
recognize browser table cells as table cells.

optimizing and copying column widths