Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame
Theresa, I remember learning Frame for the first time in 2006. Many long days at the PC that summer. I went straight into structured Frame to print large (1,200 page) XML documents to PDF for commercial printing. These documents were already being transformed to HTML and another CD publishing format called Folio Views that we have used since 1990. I've slowly learned many of the unstructured basics over the years, but it's mostly just open the file in Frame, make a few image, table and page numbering adjustments and click print. If you are not familiar with XML, DTD, XHTML, XSLT, CSS, EDD and Read/Write rules what you may need is a concept overview. Myself, I find it difficult to request help or oversee a project if the terminology does not fit together in my mind and flow off of my tongue freely. We author, track, and translate documents using an in-house application that stores the content in a SQL Server database. The data is exported out of the database to a single XML file and transformed to XHTML for web publishing, or opened directly into Frame and printed to a PDF file for commercial printing of hardcopy books. I am not looking for work and don't have time to teach you the details, but I am willing to connect via a meeting app and show you the components of the DB to XML/HTML to Frame process. Ed Nodland On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com wrote: Hello Framers, I’m in need of some basic advice. I’ve been using Frame for 20 years but have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat Professional is 10.1.7 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists
I agree, this manual work of inserting soft returns to the index is very irritating. Your solution didn´t work for me. On the reference page I have $pagenum (the first is a tab stop) I tried \t$pagenum and \t\t\t$pagenum But it did not change the index output Still looks like this: Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg ..154, 217 232 And for other entries: Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg ..154, 217 232 .268, 395 Any ideas? Thanks, Ragnar Hanas Uddevalla Hospital Sweden From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:18 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: Framer's List Subject: Re: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists Thanks for correcting that Stuart (was multi-tasking, not wise!) On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Stuart Rogers mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote: On 2013-Jun-03 1:27 PM, Jerilynne Knight wrote: Another way I've done this is to insert at least 3 tab characters (not tab stops) before the page number. Maybe that will give you a bit of automation for those long entries. ... Jerilynne means, on the reference page for the TOC or other generated file. On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jay Mahler mailto:j...@mahler.com j...@mahler.com wrote: Im sure youve all had the problem with TOCs, LOTs, LOFs, and even indexes. When the title reaches the end of the line (or too many index entries), the tab character that should position the page number at right aligned tab doesnt work, and the page number appears left justified on the second line with or without continued text. Ive always gone through and manually fixed the issue by inserting soft returns after the lists are generated, but I have a client with a huge document and LOTs and LOFs that are 20 pages each. Has anyone figured out an automated way to fix this problem? My experiments havent turned up a solution. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 tel:%2B1%20%28416%29%20491-7340%20x%20325 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mailto:jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com. Send list messages to mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40gmai l.com http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40gmail .com Send administrative questions to mailto:listad...@frameusers.com listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- may your day be igKnighted with passionately powerful possibilities! http://www.mylivesignature.com/ Jerilynne Knight Sexy backends for your business Making strategies, systems, and automation work harder so you don't have to! ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists
Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't this just as simple as changing the paragraph setting of your second and subsequent lines to start at the point of the end of the leader dot's of the first line? Also, while this may not work in this case, I often control line breaks in the generated files by putting non-breaking spaces between words at the end of the line in headings that don't wrap properly. This causes them to be brought down to the second line in a controlled fashion. Since the fix is in the heading itself, it only has to be done once. Craig From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ragnar Hanås Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:37 AM To: 'Jerilynne Knight'; 'Stuart Rogers' Cc: 'Framer's List' Subject: RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists I agree, this manual work of inserting soft returns to the index is very irritating. Your solution didn´t work for me. On the reference page I have $pagenum (the first is a tab stop) I tried \t$pagenum and \t\t\t$pagenum But it did not change the index output Still looks like this: Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg ..154, 217 232 And for other entries: Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg ..154, 217 232 .268, 395 Any ideas? Thanks, Ragnar Hanas Uddevalla Hospital Sweden From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:18 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: Framer's List Subject: Re: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists Thanks for correcting that Stuart (was multi-tasking, not wise!) On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Stuart Rogers mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote: On 2013-Jun-03 1:27 PM, Jerilynne Knight wrote: Another way I've done this is to insert at least 3 tab characters (not tab stops) before the page number. Maybe that will give you a bit of automation for those long entries. ... Jerilynne means, on the reference page for the TOC or other generated file. On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jay Mahler mailto:j...@mahler.com j...@mahler.com wrote: Im sure youve all had the problem with TOCs, LOTs, LOFs, and even indexes. When the title reaches the end of the line (or too many index entries), the tab character that should position the page number at right aligned tab doesnt work, and the page number appears left justified on the second line with or without continued text. Ive always gone through and manually fixed the issue by inserting soft returns after the lists are generated, but I have a client with a huge document and LOTs and LOFs that are 20 pages each. Has anyone figured out an automated way to fix this problem? My experiments havent turned up a solution. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 tel:%2B1%20%28416%29%20491-7340%20x%20325 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mailto:jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com. Send list messages to mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40gmai l.com http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40gmail .com Send administrative questions to mailto:listad...@frameusers.com listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- may your day be igKnighted with passionately powerful possibilities! http://www.mylivesignature.com/ Jerilynne Knight Sexy backends for your business Making strategies, systems, and automation work harder so you don't have to! ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame
On 6/15/2013 11:19 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: you can download a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker. Thanks, Steve, these articles have really been useful which I have been reading alongside the Adobe Structured Application Dev Guide for v.8 Frame. I've reached the conversion tables (Structure Tools, Generate Conversion tables) and I have modified the generated table, but I cannot figure out how to let it run to completion. What do I do to get Frame to attempt to process the table against my unstructured file? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Query about what happens in structured Frame
Hi Theresa, I wouldn't spend a lot of time with conversion tables, unless it is just for educational purposes. The idea (as I understand it) is for you to take the XHTML that is generated from Access and then open that with structured FrameMaker, using your modified XHTML application. There is no reason to structure unstructured FrameMaker content if you can directly from Access XHTML to FrameMaker. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:54 PM To: Steve Rickaby Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame On 6/15/2013 11:19 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: you can download a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker. Thanks, Steve, these articles have really been useful which I have been reading alongside the Adobe Structured Application Dev Guide for v.8 Frame. I've reached the conversion tables (Structure Tools, Generate Conversion tables) and I have modified the generated table, but I cannot figure out how to let it run to completion. What do I do to get Frame to attempt to process the table against my unstructured file? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists
Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't this just as simple as changing the paragraph setting of your second and subsequent lines to start at the point of the end of the leader dot's of the first line? Also, while this may not work in this case, I often control line breaks in the generated files by putting non-breaking spaces between words at the end of the line in headings that don't wrap properly. This causes them to be brought down to the second line in a controlled fashion. Since the fix is in the heading itself, it only has to be done once. Craig From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ragnar Han?s Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:37 AM To: 'Jerilynne Knight'; 'Stuart Rogers' Cc: 'Framer's List' Subject: RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists I agree, this manual work of inserting soft returns to the index is very irritating. Your solution didn?t work for me. On the reference page I have ><$pagenum> (the first ?>? is a tab stop) I tried >\t<$pagenum> and >\t\t\t<$pagenum> But it did not change the index output Still looks like this: Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg ..154, 217 232 And for other entries: Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg ..154, 217 232 .268, 395 Any ideas? Thanks, Ragnar Hanas Uddevalla Hospital Sweden From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:18 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: Framer's List Subject: Re: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists Thanks for correcting that Stuart (was multi-tasking, not wise!) On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Stuart Rogers < <mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com> srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com> wrote: On 2013-Jun-03 1:27 PM, Jerilynne Knight wrote: Another way I've done this is to insert at least 3 tab characters (not tab stops) before the page number. Maybe that will give you a bit of automation for those long entries. ... Jerilynne means, "on the reference page" for the TOC or other generated file. On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jay Mahler < <mailto:jay at mahler.com> jay at mahler.com> wrote: I?m sure you?ve all had the problem with TOCs, LOTs, LOFs, and even indexes. When the title reaches the end of the line (or too many index entries), the tab character that should position the page number at right aligned tab doesn?t work, and the page number appears left justified on the second line with or without continued text. I?ve always gone through and manually fixed the issue by inserting soft returns after the lists are generated, but I have a client with a huge document and LOTs and LOFs that are 20 pages each. Has anyone figured out an automated way to fix this problem? My experiments haven?t turned up a solution. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 <tel:%2B1%20%28416%29%20491-7340%20x%20325> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 <http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com> http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as <mailto:jerilynne.knight at gmail.com> jerilynne.knight at gmail.com. Send list messages to <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to <mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit <http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40gmai l.com> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40gmail .com Send administrative questions to <mailto:listadmin at frameusers.com> listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit <http://www.frameusers.com/> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- may your day be igKnighted with passionately powerful possibilities! <http://www.mylivesignature.com/> Jerilynne Knight "Sexy backends for your business" Making strategies, systems, and automation work harder so you don't have to! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130617/8c72eee5/attachment.html>
Query about what happens in structured Frame
On 6/15/2013 11:19 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > you can download > a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from > unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker. Thanks, Steve, these articles have really been useful which I have been reading alongside the Adobe Structured Application Dev Guide for v.8 Frame. I've reached the conversion tables (Structure Tools, Generate Conversion tables) and I have modified the generated table, but I cannot figure out how to "let it run to completion." What do I do to get Frame to attempt to process the table against my unstructured file? Thanks, Theresa
Query about what happens in structured Frame
Hi Theresa, I wouldn't spend a lot of time with conversion tables, unless it is just for educational purposes. The idea (as I understand it) is for you to take the XHTML that is generated from Access and then open that with structured FrameMaker, using your modified XHTML application. There is no reason to structure unstructured FrameMaker content if you can directly from Access XHTML to FrameMaker. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:54 PM To: Steve Rickaby Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame On 6/15/2013 11:19 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > you can download > a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from > unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker. Thanks, Steve, these articles have really been useful which I have been reading alongside the Adobe Structured Application Dev Guide for v.8 Frame. I've reached the conversion tables (Structure Tools, Generate Conversion tables) and I have modified the generated table, but I cannot figure out how to "let it run to completion." What do I do to get Frame to attempt to process the table against my unstructured file? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rick at rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
