importing master pages, but not getting Room for Sideheads (FM12 unst)
Our Marketing group wants us to use new templates that have room for a sidebar. We won't actually use the sidebar for anything, and it's OK for titles, images, and tables to extend into the sidebar. We may put notes over there. We have been able to do this with the Room for Sideheads feature, and we're pretty happy with the look. But when we import formats from one file to another, all the formats come over as expected except for the sideheads setting. Is this a bug? A feature we don't understand? Has anyone dealt with this? How can we import that sidehead setting along with the rest of the settings? -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
anchored text frames in sideheads
I just posted a question about importing formats from a sidehead-enabled template. Here's a related question: Assuming we can make the sidehead template work, we'd like to be able to put some content over there, while keeping it in Text Flow A. That works fine for a single paragraph - the following non-sidehead paragraph appears in the main column just where we left off: 1 text text text sidehead text2 text text text 3 text text text But if the sidehead text includes multiple paragraphs, then the subsequent main column paragraphs are pushed below the level of the last sidehead para: 1 text text text sidehead text sidehead text sidehead text sidehead text 2 text text text 3 text text text The sort of content we would put in the sidebar is Before You Begin, This Section Includes, etc. We need to keep it in Text Flow A because ultimately it all goes into a knowledgebase with all the same content, but no sideheads. I tried anchoring a text frame to the main column text and positioned over there, but I cannot put any content into it. I define it as a text frame, but it always reverts to a graphic frame. Has anyone done this successfully? -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: anchored text frames in sideheads
Try using a table and putting the text in the table. It's the only way I've ever found to make that all work. That may screw up publishing to the KB, tho. Sent from my iPhone 951-202-0813 I am available when online thru Skype at Sharon.v.burton. On Aug 12, 2014, at 6:43 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I just posted a question about importing formats from a sidehead-enabled template. Here's a related question: Assuming we can make the sidehead template work, we'd like to be able to put some content over there, while keeping it in Text Flow A. That works fine for a single paragraph - the following non-sidehead paragraph appears in the main column just where we left off: 1 text text text sidehead text2 text text text 3 text text text But if the sidehead text includes multiple paragraphs, then the subsequent main column paragraphs are pushed below the level of the last sidehead para: 1 text text text sidehead text sidehead text sidehead text sidehead text 2 text text text 3 text text text The sort of content we would put in the sidebar is Before You Begin, This Section Includes, etc. We need to keep it in Text Flow A because ultimately it all goes into a knowledgebase with all the same content, but no sideheads. I tried anchoring a text frame to the main column text and positioned over there, but I cannot put any content into it. I define it as a text frame, but it always reverts to a graphic frame. Has anyone done this successfully? -- John Sgammato, Documentation Architect e john.sgamm...@actifio.com c 508.927.2083 t @actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 Radically simple copy data management . ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as sha...@anthrobytes.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sharon%40anthrobytes.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: anchored text frames in sideheads
Did you try inserting a table under the sidehead, with the table entirely in the sidehead area? Or maybe use a spin on the two-cell warning-icon-in-the-sidehead, and have a two column table with the left column matching the width of the sidehead and the right the text column. Could probably do this with multiple tables, all anchored sequentially to the same anchor tag. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:43 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I just posted a question about importing formats from a sidehead-enabled template. Here's a related question: Assuming we can make the sidehead template work, we'd like to be able to put some content over there, while keeping it in Text Flow A. That works fine for a single paragraph - the following non-sidehead paragraph appears in the main column just where we left off: 1 text text text sidehead text2 text text text 3 text text text But if the sidehead text includes multiple paragraphs, then the subsequent main column paragraphs are pushed below the level of the last sidehead para: 1 text text text sidehead text sidehead text sidehead text sidehead text 2 text text text 3 text text text The sort of content we would put in the sidebar is Before You Begin, This Section Includes, etc. We need to keep it in Text Flow A because ultimately it all goes into a knowledgebase with all the same content, but no sideheads. I tried anchoring a text frame to the main column text and positioned over there, but I cannot put any content into it. I define it as a text frame, but it always reverts to a graphic frame. Has anyone done this successfully? -- http://www.actifio.com/ *John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: anchored text frames in sideheads
John I sent you a sample PDF, directly, of sidebars produced from an 800 page XML file and opened into Structured Framemaker. Are you using FM structured or unstructured? Yes, you can only have one sidebar paragraph per textflow paragraph or it opens up whitespace in the text flow, but you can use linebreaks and styles. We use the sidebar on the right. The left margin with the section numbers is done using margins and negative first indents I use text, tables and images in the sidebar, but I have to wrap the images in a table, or I had problems and I don't remember what it was Tables automatically flow over the sidebar, but I have styles for allow text in the flow to span across the sidebar. So the answer to you first question is, yes it can do it. Next is to determine how to help you get it dialed in. If you are using structured FrameMaker I could send you some of my tagging methods for this. Ed Nodland San Diego Data Services On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:43 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I just posted a question about importing formats from a sidehead-enabled template. Here's a related question: Assuming we can make the sidehead template work, we'd like to be able to put some content over there, while keeping it in Text Flow A. That works fine for a single paragraph - the following non-sidehead paragraph appears in the main column just where we left off: 1 text text text sidehead text2 text text text 3 text text text But if the sidehead text includes multiple paragraphs, then the subsequent main column paragraphs are pushed below the level of the last sidehead para: 1 text text text sidehead text sidehead text sidehead text sidehead text 2 text text text 3 text text text The sort of content we would put in the sidebar is Before You Begin, This Section Includes, etc. We need to keep it in Text Flow A because ultimately it all goes into a knowledgebase with all the same content, but no sideheads. I tried anchoring a text frame to the main column text and positioned over there, but I cannot put any content into it. I define it as a text frame, but it always reverts to a graphic frame. Has anyone done this successfully? -- http://www.actifio.com/ *John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: importing master pages, but not getting Room for Sideheads (FM12 unst)
To elaborate John's point on the importing of formats from one file to another, the problem seems to stems from the fact that when the template is applied to another document almost all of the formats are applied except for one -- the Room for Side Heads object property is disabled for the text frame on the body page. However, all of the template format settings look fine on the master pages. Even when I reapplied the master page this still did not change the Room for Side Heads text object property on the body page. To resolve this problem, I selected the Object Properties for the text frame on the body page and enabled Room for Side Heads. This manual updating of the text object property seemed to do the trick. I am not sure if this Room for Side Heads object property issue is with FrameMaker; it should accept 100% of the object property settings from a template file. Thanks, Kurt On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: Our Marketing group wants us to use new templates that have room for a sidebar. We won't actually use the sidebar for anything, and it's OK for titles, images, and tables to extend into the sidebar. We may put notes over there. We have been able to do this with the Room for Sideheads feature, and we're pretty happy with the look. But when we import formats from one file to another, all the formats come over as expected except for the sideheads setting. Is this a bug? A feature we don't understand? Has anyone dealt with this? How can we import that sidehead setting along with the rest of the settings? -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as kurt.kroe...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kurt.kroeber%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- http://www.actifio.com/*Kurt Kroeber Principal Technical Writer * *e* *kurt.kroe...@actifio.com kurt.kroe...@actifio.com* *c* 617-803-9952 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Copy data virtualization. Free data from infrastructure, get more resiliency, agility, and cloud.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: importing master pages, but not getting Room for Sideheads (FM12 unst)
Long standing bug. I recall this in frame 4. Sent from my iPhone 951-202-0813 I am available when online thru Skype at Sharon.v.burton. On Aug 12, 2014, at 7:23 AM, Kurt Kroeber kurt.kroe...@actifio.com wrote: To elaborate John's point on the importing of formats from one file to another, the problem seems to stems from the fact that when the template is applied to another document almost all of the formats are applied except for one -- the Room for Side Heads object property is disabled for the text frame on the body page. However, all of the template format settings look fine on the master pages. Even when I reapplied the master page this still did not change the Room for Side Heads text object property on the body page. To resolve this problem, I selected the Object Properties for the text frame on the body page and enabled Room for Side Heads. This manual updating of the text object property seemed to do the trick. I am not sure if this Room for Side Heads object property issue is with FrameMaker; it should accept 100% of the object property settings from a template file. Thanks, Kurt On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: Our Marketing group wants us to use new templates that have room for a sidebar. We won't actually use the sidebar for anything, and it's OK for titles, images, and tables to extend into the sidebar. We may put notes over there. We have been able to do this with the Room for Sideheads feature, and we're pretty happy with the look. But when we import formats from one file to another, all the formats come over as expected except for the sideheads setting. Is this a bug? A feature we don't understand? Has anyone dealt with this? How can we import that sidehead setting along with the rest of the settings? -- John Sgammato, Documentation Architect e john.sgamm...@actifio.com c 508.927.2083 t @actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 Radically simple copy data management . ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as kurt.kroe...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kurt.kroeber%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Kurt Kroeber Principal Technical Writer e kurt.kroe...@actifio.com c 617-803-9952 t @actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 Copy data virtualization. Free data from infrastructure, get more resiliency, agility, and cloud. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as sha...@anthrobytes.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sharon%40anthrobytes.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: importing master pages, but not getting Room for Sideheads (FM12 unst)
Thanks Ed for the clarification and pointer to this behaviour in Frame. And thanks to everyone for the quick response. Regards, Kurt On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Ed Nodland enodl...@gmail.com wrote: 1) I opened my FM file with Room for Side Heads select, 2) I removed the sideheads option 3) The sidebar was gone 4) I imported my template (sidebar did not return) 5) Applied masterpages (sidebar did not return) 6) Manually selected Room for Side Heads (sidebar returned) Maybe https://forums.adobe.com/message/4209683 will help. It says, Sideheads are a flow property (effectively a document level property, not any individual text frame). If they were enabled in the MasterPage, but not showing on the Body pages, then the Body pages had an override (i.e. it was turned off there). Ed Nodland On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Kurt Kroeber kurt.kroe...@actifio.com wrote: To elaborate John's point on the importing of formats from one file to another, the problem seems to stems from the fact that when the template is applied to another document almost all of the formats are applied except for one -- the Room for Side Heads object property is disabled for the text frame on the body page. However, all of the template format settings look fine on the master pages. Even when I reapplied the master page this still did not change the Room for Side Heads text object property on the body page. To resolve this problem, I selected the Object Properties for the text frame on the body page and enabled Room for Side Heads. This manual updating of the text object property seemed to do the trick. I am not sure if this Room for Side Heads object property issue is with FrameMaker; it should accept 100% of the object property settings from a template file. Thanks, Kurt On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: Our Marketing group wants us to use new templates that have room for a sidebar. We won't actually use the sidebar for anything, and it's OK for titles, images, and tables to extend into the sidebar. We may put notes over there. We have been able to do this with the Room for Sideheads feature, and we're pretty happy with the look. But when we import formats from one file to another, all the formats come over as expected except for the sideheads setting. Is this a bug? A feature we don't understand? Has anyone dealt with this? How can we import that sidehead setting along with the rest of the settings? -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as kurt.kroe...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kurt.kroeber%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- http://www.actifio.com/ *Kurt Kroeber Principal Technical Writer * *e* *kurt.kroe...@actifio.com kurt.kroe...@actifio.com* *c* 617-803-9952 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Copy data virtualization. Free data from infrastructure, get more resiliency, agility, and cloud.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as kurt.kroe...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kurt.kroeber%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- http://www.actifio.com/*Kurt Kroeber Principal Technical
Re: importing master pages, but not getting Room for Sideheads (FM12 unst)
1) I opened my FM file with Room for Side Heads select, 2) I removed the sideheads option 3) The sidebar was gone 4) I imported my template (sidebar did not return) 5) Applied masterpages (sidebar did not return) 6) Manually selected Room for Side Heads (sidebar returned) Maybe https://forums.adobe.com/message/4209683 will help. It says, Sideheads are a flow property (effectively a document level property, not any individual text frame). If they were enabled in the MasterPage, but not showing on the Body pages, then the Body pages had an override (i.e. it was turned off there). Ed Nodland On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Kurt Kroeber kurt.kroe...@actifio.com wrote: To elaborate John's point on the importing of formats from one file to another, the problem seems to stems from the fact that when the template is applied to another document almost all of the formats are applied except for one -- the Room for Side Heads object property is disabled for the text frame on the body page. However, all of the template format settings look fine on the master pages. Even when I reapplied the master page this still did not change the Room for Side Heads text object property on the body page. To resolve this problem, I selected the Object Properties for the text frame on the body page and enabled Room for Side Heads. This manual updating of the text object property seemed to do the trick. I am not sure if this Room for Side Heads object property issue is with FrameMaker; it should accept 100% of the object property settings from a template file. Thanks, Kurt On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: Our Marketing group wants us to use new templates that have room for a sidebar. We won't actually use the sidebar for anything, and it's OK for titles, images, and tables to extend into the sidebar. We may put notes over there. We have been able to do this with the Room for Sideheads feature, and we're pretty happy with the look. But when we import formats from one file to another, all the formats come over as expected except for the sideheads setting. Is this a bug? A feature we don't understand? Has anyone dealt with this? How can we import that sidehead setting along with the rest of the settings? -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as kurt.kroe...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kurt.kroeber%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- http://www.actifio.com/ *Kurt Kroeber Principal Technical Writer * *e* *kurt.kroe...@actifio.com kurt.kroe...@actifio.com* *c* 617-803-9952 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Copy data virtualization. Free data from infrastructure, get more resiliency, agility, and cloud.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Getting a handle on structured Frame
I started my Frame 12 experience with a new convert to ebook/pdf project. I created an unstructured book because I quasi-know-what-I’m-doing in the unstructured world. However, I think to publish this book as an ebook, it has to be structured. I have had a long running affair with trying to understand structured Frame and I have to say that the various pieces of documentation on adobe.com are next to useless and, unfortunately, much of the documentation by others (and Adobe) starts with Frame 6 or segues into Robohelp. While I understand theoretically what’s going on with structured Frame, getting from here to there is no picnic. Anyway, I’m starting again with the new structured templates which came with Frame 12. I can see that I’ll have to create or modify an EDD. Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open? The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? Also, my project involves converting two novellas into one ebook. I believe I’m going to require one fm book with two nested books within. How do I add that structure to the DocBook file? I now have ~50 files which are components of my unstructured book file. How would you recommend that I take the contents of those 50 files and move them into the structured book? Thanks for your help. I’m sure there will be more questions. Cheers, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame
Sorry you fell down the rabbit-hole, but I'm pretty sure that you don't need to be running structured FM to create an ePUB. See http://www.mattrsullivan.com/ebooks-with-fm-rh/ -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: August-12-14 12:08 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Getting a handle on structured Frame I started my Frame 12 experience with a new convert to ebook/pdf project. I created an unstructured book because I quasi-know-what-I'm-doing in the unstructured world. However, I think to publish this book as an ebook, it has to be structured. I have had a long running affair with trying to understand structured Frame and I have to say that the various pieces of documentation on adobe.com are next to useless and, unfortunately, much of the documentation by others (and Adobe) starts with Frame 6 or segues into Robohelp. While I understand theoretically what's going on with structured Frame, getting from here to there is no picnic. Anyway, I'm starting again with the new structured templates which came with Frame 12. I can see that I'll have to create or modify an EDD. Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open? The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? Also, my project involves converting two novellas into one ebook. I believe I'm going to require one fm book with two nested books within. How do I add that structure to the DocBook file? I now have ~50 files which are components of my unstructured book file. How would you recommend that I take the contents of those 50 files and move them into the structured book? Thanks for your help. I'm sure there will be more questions. Cheers, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
This is one of the more common and frustrating mis-conceptions I see in the FrameMaker community that publishing to ePub and other newer output formats requires structured FrameMaker. In fact, even when working with structured source files, FrameMaker's style mappings are based on paragraph and character formats, not elements. If you are comfortable with unstructured FrameMaker, and have unstructured source files, I would start by experimenting with FrameMaker's eBook capabilities there. File Publish. Choose your target format, and click the Edit Settings button. Play with the Style Mapping tab and see how that affects your results. Configuring structured FrameMaker presents a daunting learning curve, that I would not recommend climbing unless you have clear requirements to do so. And FrameMaker's DocBook implementation is..., well..., anybody who tries to use it for real work is in for a world of hurt. -Alan --- Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 On 8/12/14, 12:08 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: I started my Frame 12 experience with a new convert to ebook/pdf project. I created an unstructured book because I quasi-know-what-I’m-doing in the unstructured world. However, I think to publish this book as an ebook, it has to be structured. I have had a long running affair with trying to understand structured Frame and I have to say that the various pieces of documentation on adobe.com are next to useless and, unfortunately, much of the documentation by others (and Adobe) starts with Frame 6 or segues into Robohelp. While I understand theoretically what’s going on with structured Frame, getting from here to there is no picnic. Anyway, I’m starting again with the new structured templates which came with Frame 12. I can see that I’ll have to create or modify an EDD. Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open? The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? Also, my project involves converting two novellas into one ebook. I believe I’m going to require one fm book with two nested books within. How do I add that structure to the DocBook file? I now have ~50 files which are components of my unstructured book file. How would you recommend that I take the contents of those 50 files and move them into the structured book? Thanks for your help. I’m sure there will be more questions. Cheers, Theresa ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
Hi Theresa As others have said, it doesn't have to be structured to become an eBook. As an aside, be aware that ePub processes can make a mess of your formatting, whether you are using structure or not: imho they are a work in progress. I know this for a fact, having seen the mess that the ePub processes can make of a nicely formatted print/PDF book - in my case, textbooks. However, if you *do* decide to tackle the structured learning curve, I found the same problems with the structured documentation as you have when I started with structured FrameMaker. Partially as a result, I wrote a series of articles for the ISTC as a beginner's guide. If you would like a copy, let me know. Structured is a head-banger when you're new to it, but it doesn't have to be complex, and it can be rewarding. I'd guess that starting from DocBook is not the best plan for you, especially if your books aren't structurally complex. DocBook was designed as a one-size-fits-all solution, and as a result the EDD contains zillions of elements, most of which you would not need. Your first steps are probably: . Do a thorough analysis of the structure you will need. You can think of this in terms of para styles to start out with, which will then be encapsulated in elements if you decide on structure. . Decide whether structure will help you. Factors here are the amount of automation (not automation as in scripting, but the rules that structure offers) that would help helpful, and other factors such as the usefulness of XML - FrameMaker exchange. . Decide on whether to create your own EDD or modify an existing one. See my comments above on DocBook. Let me know if you'd like a copy of my beginner's guide. At the very least it will give you an idea of the complexity of structure and whether it's worthwhile for you. -- Steve Rickaby http://www.wordmongers.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
This is what I've tried with our unstructured documents and had good success with EPub output. We are so busy, I've only dabbled. So, I'd say this is very good advice from Alan. Bruce On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:37 PM, Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com wrote: This is one of the more common and frustrating mis-conceptions I see in the FrameMaker community that publishing to ePub and other newer output formats requires structured FrameMaker. In fact, even when working with structured source files, FrameMaker's style mappings are based on paragraph and character formats, not elements. If you are comfortable with unstructured FrameMaker, and have unstructured source files, I would start by experimenting with FrameMaker's eBook capabilities there. File Publish. Choose your target format, and click the Edit Settings button. Play with the Style Mapping tab and see how that affects your results. Configuring structured FrameMaker presents a daunting learning curve, that I would not recommend climbing unless you have clear requirements to do so. And FrameMaker's DocBook implementation is..., well..., anybody who tries to use it for real work is in for a world of hurt. -Alan --- Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 On 8/12/14, 12:08 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: I started my Frame 12 experience with a new convert to ebook/pdf project. I created an unstructured book because I quasi-know-what-I’m-doing in the unstructured world. However, I think to publish this book as an ebook, it has to be structured. I have had a long running affair with trying to understand structured Frame and I have to say that the various pieces of documentation on adobe.com are next to useless and, unfortunately, much of the documentation by others (and Adobe) starts with Frame 6 or segues into Robohelp. While I understand theoretically what’s going on with structured Frame, getting from here to there is no picnic. Anyway, I’m starting again with the new structured templates which came with Frame 12. I can see that I’ll have to create or modify an EDD. Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open? The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? Also, my project involves converting two novellas into one ebook. I believe I’m going to require one fm book with two nested books within. How do I add that structure to the DocBook file? I now have ~50 files which are components of my unstructured book file. How would you recommend that I take the contents of those 50 files and move them into the structured book? Thanks for your help. I’m sure there will be more questions. Cheers, Theresa ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as brucerw...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/brucerwolf%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
On 8/12/2014 12:31 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: Sorry you fell down the rabbit-hole, but I'm pretty sure that you don't need to be running structured FM to create an ePUB. Using the unstructured book file, the epub comes out with the chapters in the wrong order. See http://www.mattrsullivan.com/ebooks-with-fm-rh/ This is about Robohelp. I'm not using Robohelp, I'm publishing to epub with Frame 12. I think it's a different beast, No? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
BTW... At 11:08 -0500 12/8/14, Theresa de Valence wrote: I now have ~50 files which are components of my unstructured book file. How would you recommend that I take the contents of those 50 files and move them into the structured book? It doesn't work quite like that: you can't just move from unstructured to structured by importing files. There is a process involved, which requires an EDD and wrapping tables. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: framers Digest, Vol 106, Issue 10
In response to Message: 10 (below): We moved to structured FrameMaker/DITA last year and it was a long process. On the other side of it now, it is much clearer and easier to convert our other guides. We got help from a consultant, Matt Sullivan, who is active on the Adobe message boards, as well as Rick Quatro, for FrameScript work that made our conversion process much easier. If you have the budget, and really want to convert to structured FrameMaker, I would strongly suggest hiring Matt Sullivan to help guide you through the process. However, if your main goal is to create an PDF, you do NOT need to convert your unstructured file to structured format. I am not familiar with what format an ebook would be in (for Amazon Kindle?). For PDFs, you should be able to do a File - Save as PDF and get a PDF. But perhaps I am not understanding your end goal properly. I've read that the best reason for converting to structured FrameMaker format is if you want to do a lot of re-use of your content in different documents. Is this the case for your project? We use FrameMaker 11 and I am not familiar with DocBook, but perhaps someone else on this forum can address that. As far as combining two novellas into one book, in unstructured FrameMaker could you create a new book file and then add the .fm files for both books in order, so that one novella follows the other? In PDF format, you can combine to PDFs, but it sounds like your desired output is an ebook...which I am not so familiar with. I hope there's something helpful in this response... Diana Bishop Message: 10 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:08:21 -0500 From: Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Getting a handle on structured Frame Message-ID: 53ea3bf5.3030...@bstw.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I started my Frame 12 experience with a new convert to ebook/pdf project. I created an unstructured book because I quasi-know-what-I?m-doing in the unstructured world. However, I think to publish this book as an ebook, it has to be structured. I have had a long running affair with trying to understand structured Frame and I have to say that the various pieces of documentation on adobe.com are next to useless and, unfortunately, much of the documentation by others (and Adobe) starts with Frame 6 or segues into Robohelp. While I understand theoretically what?s going on with structured Frame, getting from here to there is no picnic. Anyway, I?m starting again with the new structured templates which came with Frame 12. I can see that I?ll have to create or modify an EDD. Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open? The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? Also, my project involves converting two novellas into one ebook. I believe I?m going to require one fm book with two nested books within. How do I add that structure to the DocBook file? I now have ~50 files which are components of my unstructured book file. How would you recommend that I take the contents of those 50 files and move them into the structured book? Thanks for your help. I?m sure there will be more questions. Cheers, Theresa This electronic mail message and any file sent with it are intended solely for the named recipients and may contain confidential and proprietary business information of ExlService and its affiliates. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original message and all files sent with it. You may not disclose the contents to any other person, use this electronic mail message or its contents for any purpose or further store or copy its contents in any medium. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
On 8/12/2014 12:57 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: Let me know if you'd like a copy of my beginner's guide. At the very least it will give you an idea of the complexity of structure and whether it's worthwhile for you. Steve, you can't imagine how many times I have read through those articles! Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame
Nope - all the guts of FM's direct publishing come straight from the FM to RH integration in TCS. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: August-12-14 2:02 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame On 8/12/2014 12:31 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: Sorry you fell down the rabbit-hole, but I'm pretty sure that you don't need to be running structured FM to create an ePUB. Using the unstructured book file, the epub comes out with the chapters in the wrong order. See http://www.mattrsullivan.com/ebooks-with-fm-rh/ This is about Robohelp. I'm not using Robohelp, I'm publishing to epub with Frame 12. I think it's a different beast, No? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
At 13:28 -0500 12/8/14, Theresa de Valence wrote: On 8/12/2014 12:57 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: Let me know if you'd like a copy of my beginner's guide. At the very least it will give you an idea of the complexity of structure and whether it's worthwhile for you. Steve, you can't imagine how many times I have read through those articles! Ah. Then they have failed :-( -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open? Please answer? The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? I comprehend that several of you think I should start with something less complex than DocBook. There is an XML application called SelfPublish which has only 2 Doctypes: GeneralBook and Chapter. It has a location for DTD and template, but no read/write rules or entities (public ID). The problem with using the SelfPublish app is that I find it easier to remove what I don’t need than to create something which I don’t yet understand. If I modify one of these DocBook apps, can I disassociate _my_ DocBook from the public entities? If so, which should I choose? Thank you, everyone, I already know more than I did this morning. 8-) Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
On 8/12/14 1:00 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open? Please answer? Don't open any of them from the file system. You have two choices .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Application Definitions to edit your local structapps file (this is most likely what you should be using) .. OR .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Global Application Definitions. The app definitions in the local file are typically those that you create for your own use. The global app definitions are those for apps provided by Adobe. I recommend that people never modify the default apps .. either create your own from scratch (for advanced users only), or clone the default apps and give them a new name and modify those (the most likely scenario). You will mess up the apps (everyone does), and it's important to have the default unmodified apps to go back to for testing. In general you should be able to have all the apps installed and available for use at the same time. The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? I comprehend that several of you think I should start with something less complex than DocBook. There is an XML application called SelfPublish which has only 2 Doctypes: GeneralBook and Chapter. It has a location for DTD and template, but no read/write rules or entities (public ID). The problem with using the SelfPublish app is that I find it easier to remove what I don’t need than to create something which I don’t yet understand. If I modify one of these DocBook apps, can I disassociate _my_ DocBook from the public entities? If so, which should I choose? I'd start by using DocBook (or DITA) out of the box, totally unmodified. Get comfortable with that and then try making any needed modifications (after cloning the apps). You don't have to use the entire model, just use the bits that you need and ignore the rest. If you're just learning how this all works, starting off by trying to modify things is just going to cause huge amounts of grief. Cheers, ...scott Thank you, everyone, I already know more than I did this morning. 8-) Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
