FrameMaker documentation

2014-12-19 Thread Klaus Daube
Can somebody please refresh my memory?

In http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker69.html I say:
«
Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. It's 
my 
impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by Adobe.

User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the box 
only 
contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from your 
PC to 
the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the 
chaper-
page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes manual for FM-7 
has 
660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left out. 
Some 
special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian languages 
or 
customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions of FM.
»

What number I have to put in place of the ???
Are my statements in error generally?

Thanks
Klaus Daube


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FrameMaker 12 - Getting Started guides

2014-12-19 Thread Steve Madison
In follow up to Klaus' comments about FM Getting Started guides, does anyone 
have a recommendation on a decent learning resource on getting started with 
FM12?



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Subject: FrameMaker documentation

Can somebody please refresh my memory?

In 
http://cp.mcafee.com/d/FZsS92hJ5x5UQsLn7ee6XCQTbI9EILCQTbI9EzDzqrBS4Qmn3qdNP9EVuhsvsdGWxaBok1iQpgJZJFc_-ndHhB2TSSAP_VsTVEVgZAQsIfZvCbCzBxVDHTbFFLKsephoohVqWdAklrCzB7BgY-F6lK1FJ4SMrLOtXTLuZXTdTdw0Adr8vRyu8lITzGKBvyUqeu1NJSeG_6xsxlK5LE2zVkDjDoWHXtfzjBPrXaa9InzGLzuBvyq84aSrl-4ZDaI3qr1J_z9QCLAEhIV
 I say:
«
Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. It's 
my impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by 
Adobe.

User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the box 
only contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from 
your PC to the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due 
to the chaper- page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes 
manual for FM-7 has
660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left out. 
Some special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian 
languages or customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions 
of FM.
»

What number I have to put in place of the ???
Are my statements in error generally?

Thanks
Klaus Daube


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Re: FrameMaker 12 - Getting Started guides

2014-12-19 Thread tom . beiswenger

If you are upgrading FM from ver. 9 or earlier, there's an excellent course
on Lynda.com. It's on FM10, which is where the user interface changed.

Tom Beiswenger
Manager, technical  training documentation
Bucher Emhart Glass

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 In follow up to Klaus' comments about FM Getting Started guides, does
anyone have a recommendation on a decent learning resource on getting
started with FM12?



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 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:16 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: FrameMaker documentation

 Can somebody please refresh my memory?

 In
http://cp.mcafee.com/d/FZsS92hJ5x5UQsLn7ee6XCQTbI9EILCQTbI9EzDzqrBS4Qmn3qdNP9EVuhsvsdGWxaBok1iQpgJZJFc_-ndHhB2TSSAP_VsTVEVgZAQsIfZvCbCzBxVDHTbFFLKsephoohVqWdAklrCzB7BgY-F6lK1FJ4SMrLOtXTLuZXTdTdw0Adr8vRyu8lITzGKBvyUqeu1NJSeG_6xsxlK5LE2zVkDjDoWHXtfzjBPrXaa9InzGLzuBvyq84aSrl-4ZDaI3qr1J_z9QCLAEhIV
 I say:
 «
 Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have
disappeared. It's my impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant
group of users by Adobe.

 User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-???
the box only contains a DVD with the program and help files have been
dislocated from your PC to the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for
FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the chaper- page numbering the number of pages
is difficult to get). Adobes manual for FM-7 has
 660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or
left out. Some special information in separate online-manuals (e.g.
concerning asian languages or customisation of FM) has not been put
forwared to newer versions of FM.
 »

 What number I have to put in place of the ???
 Are my statements in error generally?

 Thanks
 Klaus Daube


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RE: FrameMaker 12 - Getting Started guides

2014-12-19 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Of course there's always the bible of FM - Publishing Fundamentals: 
Unstructured FM 11 updated by Matt Sullivan - that's my go-to reference

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In follow up to Klaus' comments about FM Getting Started guides, does anyone 
have a recommendation on a decent learning resource on getting started with 
FM12?



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Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:16 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker documentation

Can somebody please refresh my memory?

In 
http://cp.mcafee.com/d/FZsS92hJ5x5UQsLn7ee6XCQTbI9EILCQTbI9EzDzqrBS4Qmn3qdNP9EVuhsvsdGWxaBok1iQpgJZJFc_-ndHhB2TSSAP_VsTVEVgZAQsIfZvCbCzBxVDHTbFFLKsephoohVqWdAklrCzB7BgY-F6lK1FJ4SMrLOtXTLuZXTdTdw0Adr8vRyu8lITzGKBvyUqeu1NJSeG_6xsxlK5LE2zVkDjDoWHXtfzjBPrXaa9InzGLzuBvyq84aSrl-4ZDaI3qr1J_z9QCLAEhIV
 I say:
«
Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. It's 
my impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by 
Adobe.

User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the box 
only contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from 
your PC to the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due 
to the chaper- page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes 
manual for FM-7 has
660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left out. 
Some special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian 
languages or customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions 
of FM.
»

What number I have to put in place of the ???
Are my statements in error generally?

Thanks
Klaus Daube


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Re: FrameMaker documentation

2014-12-19 Thread Mike Wickham
Klaus, I got manuals with 7.0 and 7.1. They appear to be identical 7.0 
manuals. I  did not buy 7.2, so don't know on that one. 8.0 definitely 
did not come with a manual, nor any of the versions since.


Mike Wickham

On 12/19/2014 3:16 AM, Klaus Daube wrote:

Can somebody please refresh my memory?

In http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker69.html I say:
«
Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. It's 
my
impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by Adobe.

User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the box 
only
contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from your 
PC to
the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the 
chaper-
page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes manual for FM-7 
has
660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left out. 
Some
special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian languages 
or
customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions of FM.
»

What number I have to put in place of the ???
Are my statements in error generally?

Thanks
Klaus Daube


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Re: FrameMaker documentation

2014-12-19 Thread David Spreadbury
FM12 ships with the User Guide in a chm. Complete User Guide. At least my FM12 
did.Since then I have downloaded the PDF of the same version as well as the 
new and updated (ya, right) version. 

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wrote:
   

 Klaus, I got manuals with 7.0 and 7.1. They appear to be identical 7.0 
manuals. I  did not buy 7.2, so don't know on that one. 8.0 definitely 
did not come with a manual, nor any of the versions since.

Mike Wickham

On 12/19/2014 3:16 AM, Klaus Daube wrote:
 Can somebody please refresh my memory?

 In http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker69.html I say:
 «
 Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. 
 It's my
 impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by 
 Adobe.

 User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the 
 box only
 contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from your 
 PC to
 the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the 
 chaper-
 page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes manual for 
 FM-7 has
 660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left 
 out. Some
 special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian 
 languages or
 customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions of FM.
 »

 What number I have to put in place of the ???
 Are my statements in error generally?

 Thanks
 Klaus Daube


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Re: FrameMaker documentation

2014-12-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
I believe the Asian-language doc for FrameMaker 7 was made obsolete by
support for Unicode added in FM8. It's online:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/chinese_korean.pdf

The newly revised FM12 docs cover that under Asian language support.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Klaus Daube fr...@daube.ch wrote:
 Can somebody please refresh my memory?

 In http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker69.html I say:
 «
 Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. 
 It's my
 impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by 
 Adobe.

 User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the 
 box only
 contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from your 
 PC to
 the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the 
 chaper-
 page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes manual for 
 FM-7 has
 660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left 
 out. Some
 special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian 
 languages or
 customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions of FM.
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Deleting Variables at the Book Level

2014-12-19 Thread Carol J. Elkins
Have you tried View-Pods-Variables at the book level with all files 
open in the book? In the pod, select All Open Docs. Granted you can 
delete only one variable at a time, but I find it really helpful to 
see all of the variables for all of the files lined up alphabetically 
and work through them that way.


Carol

At 11:00 AM 12/19/2014, you wrote:
Is there any easy way to delete obsolete variables from the 
variables library at the book level (Frame 12)?


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Re: FrameMaker documentation

2014-12-19 Thread Klaus Daube
On 19 Dec 2014 at 9:50, Robert Lauriston wrote:

 The newly revised FM12 docs cover that under Asian language support.

Thank You Robert,

It turns out that the 'official' (by FM directly addressed pdf/html) contain 
the 
following proviously separate documents:

- Chinese and Korean Features (as of FM-7) [
- Japanese Publishing with Adobe FameMaker 7.0 [9 pages]

It seems that the previously separate information is completely integrated now 
- on 
various places (¶-formats, index, find etc.). But I have to check that in 
detail to 
give feedback to Adobe.

At least the availability of additional Japanese date building blocks (e.g. 
$daynumkanjikazu) is not mentioned in the FM-12 user guide.

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