date:20160415

Re: [Framers] Strange error when updating Frame document

2016-04-15 Thread David Spreadbury

Yes, I searched and found this error had existed in earlier versions. This is 
the first time I have seen it and I have been using Frame for 20 years.I tried 
a couple of the hints that were posted, first removing the TOC and Index and 
updating the book. Same error.Rebuilt the TOC and Index, still getting the 
error.It looks like Jeff's response is spot on. An old bug has resurfaced.I 
can't find anything wrong with the book. All cross-references work fine. TOC 
and Index look fine.
Time for Frame to let the test guys loose, after checking what the fix was 
before.
 

On Friday, April 15, 2016 12:29 PM, Jeff Coatsworth 
 wrote:
 

 Chatter on the FM forums is indicating that this is a new bug introduced with 
Patch 3 for FM2015 

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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: April-15-16 10:03 AM
To: Framers
Subject: [Framers] Strange error when updating Frame document

I recently upgraded to the latest FrameMaker2015 patch.Suddenly I am getting a 
strange unexplained error message:
'Book is not self-consistent'
Our documents are all in Unstructured Frame but I was running in Structured 
mode when I first received this message.I changed to Unstructured mode, 
thinking that might be the cause.I still get the message whenever I Update a 
book.
Does anyone know what this message means?
Thank youDave Spreadbury

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Re: [Framers] Strange error when updating Frame document

2016-04-15 Thread Jeff Coatsworth

Chatter on the FM forums is indicating that this is a new bug introduced with 
Patch 3 for FM2015 

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: April-15-16 10:03 AM
To: Framers
Subject: [Framers] Strange error when updating Frame document

I recently upgraded to the latest FrameMaker2015 patch.Suddenly I am getting a 
strange unexplained error message:
'Book is not self-consistent'
Our documents are all in Unstructured Frame but I was running in Structured 
mode when I first received this message.I changed to Unstructured mode, 
thinking that might be the cause.I still get the message whenever I Update a 
book.
Does anyone know what this message means?
Thank youDave Spreadbury

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Re: [Framers] adding pages

2016-04-15 Thread Peter Gold

Disconnected pages are supposed to work like that, IIRC, Ken. To add pages
as text frames are filled, FM needs to know that the text frames are in
connected flows. With Display Text Symbols ON, you should see a black line
at the bottom of overset text frames, unless the bottom of the frame
extends below the bottom of the page it's on.

HTH

Peter Gold

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Ken Poshedly 
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Um, not sure if this helps but I just ran a test here and if I add one
> disconnected page (in my case, right after the last page of the document
> I'm in right now) and then add text until the cursor is at the bottom and
> then keep on adding more text, no new pages are automatically added for
> that new text flow.
>
> -- Ken in Atlanta
>
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Re: [Framers] OT: The history of PDF

2016-04-15 Thread Peter Gold

Thanks for the note and updated link, Klaus.

Around 1995, I worked for a Silicon Valley Sun Computer and FrameMaker
reseller, who presented an "introducing Adobe Acrobat" sales event to its
A-list high-tech enterprise customers. Charles Gesche, one of the Adobe
founders, was the keynote speaker.

Yes, the Acrobat suite of products then was expensive, but our large
customers saw value in being able to automate the conversion of their
mountains of legacy documents, created in a variety of formats, into PDF,
and gain some order and control over their existing documentation chaos.

I asked our CEO if he thought that after the expected initial sales and the
rush to process all the legacy materials, if there would be much of a
continuing Acrobat market. "Once a customer invests in a large-capacity
software conversion system that doesn't wear out, why buy more?" He told me
to "ask Chuck." Chuck said, "I have no idea. It's early."

Over time, it seems that Adobe did figure it out

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
[snipped]

   Hm, the older I grow the more I'm interested in history ...
>
>Klaus
>
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Re: [Framers] OT: The history of PDF

2016-04-15 Thread Peter Gold

Thanks for being such an important part of FrameMaker history, Frank!

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Frank Stearns  wrote:

In 1991 I spent well north of $10K for a bare-bones Sparc workstation, and
> thankfully got a courtesy copy of FM3 and then FM4 because of the
> development work we were doing. Our products gave an assist to the FM Sales
> force as prospective FM purchasers would ask, "that's all well and good,
> but does this Framing-Maker thingie do this or that?"
>
> We tried to have "this" and "thats" on hand to help out. For nostalgia and
> amusement, visit the "FSA Resources>Early Products" portion of
> www.fsatools.com for more history.
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
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Re: [Framers] OT: The history of PDF

2016-04-15 Thread Peter Gold

Thanks for the note and updated link, Klaus.

Around 1995, I worked for a Silicon Valley Sun Computer and FrameMaker
reseller, who presented an "introducing Adobe Acrobat" sales event to its
A-list high-tech enterprise customers. Charles Gesche, one of the Adobe
founders, was the keynote speaker.

Yes, the Acrobat suite of products then was expensive, but our large
customers saw value in being able to automate the conversion of their
mountains of legacy documents, created in a variety of formats, into PDF,
and gain some order and control over their existing documentation chaos.

I asked our CEO if he thought that after the expected initial sales and the
rush to process all the legacy materials, if there would be much of a
continuing Acrobat market. "Once a customer invests in a large-capacity
software conversion system that doesn't wear out, why buy more?" He told me
to "ask Chuck." Chuck said, "I have no idea. It's early."

Over time, it seems that Adobe did figure out what to do.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
[snipped]

   Hm, the older I grow the more I'm interested in history ...
>
>Klaus
>

I'm finding out the same thing about getting older and looking into
history that I was too-involved in while it was happening around me.

Peter Gold
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Re: [Framers] adding pages

2016-04-15 Thread William Saylor

Peter (and Ken),

Thanks for the thoughts. I was pointed to the method for adding disconnected 
pages and then using a process to re-connect text flows and that seems to work. 
I cannot find any reason why some chapters just randomly stopped adding pages 
(at random lengths) but this approach does seem to work. I guess just more joys 
of using FM.

Bill

 

From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 9:44 AM
To: William Saylor 
Cc: Framers (E-mail) 
Subject: Re: [Framers] adding pages

 

It's possible that the non-flowing text frames are not connected to the main 
text flow. It might be possible that they became disconnected by a bug during 
some processing operation, or that they were either manually disconnected, or 
were manually created as separate flows.

 

In the old days, overfilling a text frame caused a black line to appear inside 
the bottom of the frame, if display text symbols was ON. 

 

You can identify  a text flow by clicking in its text, and looking in the 
status bar. A handy technique to identify disconnected text frames is to zoom 
to the smallest page display size, and maximize the screen window, to display 
as many pages at once as possible, then Select All to highlight text in all the 
connected text frames in the flow.

 

If necessary, search Help and Google for "framemaker disconnected text frames." 

 

HTH

 

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:08 PM, William Saylor  > wrote:

This is probably a very simple problem but it is rather vexing. I have a
multi-chapter technical book with prefaces, TOC, chapter, appendices, index
and so forth. For some reason all of a sudden some of my chapters and
appendices will no longer automatically add pages as I add content. There is
no (desired) flow change, just fairly vanilla page and pagination and
auto-numbering throughout the book.

I use the "save as even pages" setting and that seems to work for the
various documents. Any ideas on what I am missing?
Thanks,
Bill



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Re: [Framers] adding pages

2016-04-15 Thread Ken Poshedly

Bill,
Um, not sure if this helps but I just ran a test here and if I add one 
disconnected page (in my case, right after the last page of the document I'm in 
right now) and then add text until the cursor is at the bottom and then keep on 
adding more text, no new pages are automatically added for that new text flow.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Friday, April 15, 2016 11:43 AM, Peter Gold 
 wrote:
 
 

 It's possible that the non-flowing text frames are not connected to the
main text flow. It might be possible that they became disconnected by a bug
during some processing operation, or that they were either manually
disconnected, or were manually created as separate flows.

In the old days, overfilling a text frame caused a black line to appear
inside the bottom of the frame, if display text symbols was ON.

You can identify  a text flow by clicking in its text, and looking in the
status bar. A handy technique to identify disconnected text frames is to
zoom to the smallest page display size, and maximize the screen window, to
display as many pages at once as possible, then Select All to highlight
text in all the connected text frames in the flow.

If necessary, search Help and Google for "framemaker disconnected text
frames."

HTH

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:08 PM, William Saylor 
wrote:

> This is probably a very simple problem but it is rather vexing. I have a
> multi-chapter technical book with prefaces, TOC, chapter, appendices, index
> and so forth. For some reason all of a sudden some of my chapters and
> appendices will no longer automatically add pages as I add content. There
> is
> no (desired) flow change, just fairly vanilla page and pagination and
> auto-numbering throughout the book.
>
> I use the "save as even pages" setting and that seems to work for the
> various documents. Any ideas on what I am missing?
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> 
>
> Saylor Solutions, Inc.
> William W. Saylor, PE        (v)  719 426-2946
> 41500 E. 112th Ave.  (mob) 719 373-3770
>
>
> Bennett, CO
> 80102        wsay...@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] adding pages

2016-04-15 Thread Peter Gold

It's possible that the non-flowing text frames are not connected to the
main text flow. It might be possible that they became disconnected by a bug
during some processing operation, or that they were either manually
disconnected, or were manually created as separate flows.

In the old days, overfilling a text frame caused a black line to appear
inside the bottom of the frame, if display text symbols was ON.

You can identify  a text flow by clicking in its text, and looking in the
status bar. A handy technique to identify disconnected text frames is to
zoom to the smallest page display size, and maximize the screen window, to
display as many pages at once as possible, then Select All to highlight
text in all the connected text frames in the flow.

If necessary, search Help and Google for "framemaker disconnected text
frames."

HTH

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:08 PM, William Saylor 
wrote:

> This is probably a very simple problem but it is rather vexing. I have a
> multi-chapter technical book with prefaces, TOC, chapter, appendices, index
> and so forth. For some reason all of a sudden some of my chapters and
> appendices will no longer automatically add pages as I add content. There
> is
> no (desired) flow change, just fairly vanilla page and pagination and
> auto-numbering throughout the book.
>
> I use the "save as even pages" setting and that seems to work for the
> various documents. Any ideas on what I am missing?
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> 
>
> Saylor Solutions, Inc.
> William W. Saylor, PE(v)  719 426-2946
> 41500 E. 112th Ave.   (mob) 719 373-3770
>
>
> Bennett, CO
> 80102 wsay...@earthlink.net
>
>
>
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[Framers] Strange error when updating Frame document

2016-04-15 Thread David Spreadbury

I recently upgraded to the latest FrameMaker2015 patch.Suddenly I am getting a 
strange unexplained error message:
'Book is not self-consistent'
Our documents are all in Unstructured Frame but I was running in Structured 
mode when I first received this message.I changed to Unstructured mode, 
thinking that might be the cause.I still get the message whenever I Update a 
book.
Does anyone know what this message means?
Thank youDave Spreadbury

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