Re: [Framers] Maker.ini file in FM 15

2016-05-11 Thread Urszula Witherell 
   FrameMaker 2015 is actually FM13...

   go figure... :)

 On May 11, 2016 at 5:05 PM Joel  wrote:
 Where is the maker file located for each user for FM 2015? It used
 to be in
 a folder like:
 C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker
 I see folder for 12 and 13 in my directory, but not 15.
 Thanks,
 Joel
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[Framers] Maker.ini file in FM 15

2016-05-11 Thread Joel 
Where is the maker file located for each user for FM 2015? It used to be in
a folder like:

C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker

I see folder for 12 and 13 in my directory, but not 15.

Thanks,

Joel
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Lin Sims 
Hi Alison,

I guess I wasn't clear. The text is already in a variable. The problem is
that there are 3 different legalese variables I could use depending on
audience and a couple other factors. One variable is used when the document
is only for us; the other two are variations for external customers. I
don't feel like importing page layouts all the time, so instead of doing
that I put both of the needed variables in the master page and condition
them.

The language and the template are corporate standards, so I don't mess with
them.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Craig, Alison 
wrote:

> If the footer text is the only External text you need then it doesn't have
> to be a condition, it can be a variable instead.
>
> Create an "External" variable file with a single "Proprietary Footer"
> variable (containing the proprietary footer text) and an "All Other"
> variable file with a single - but empty - "Proprietary Footer" variable.
>
> Set up all relevant footers as required with the "Proprietary Footer"
> variable, then simply copy in the relevant variable file at the appropriate
> time and overwrite the "Proprietary Footer" variable as needed.
>
> Alison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=
> bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:08 PM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: Frame Users
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker
> with Internal Errors
>
> Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the External
> tag.
>
> Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
> language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not show to
> customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our
> customer and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to
> anyone else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't
> just import a variable definition to them. So for the sake of not having to
> import page layouts as well as conditions and variables ... I have an
> External tag.
>
> Laughable, ain't it?
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
> > Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly,
> > AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then the
> > conditional expressions would be:
> >
> > for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or
> > BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal) for A Cust version: not
> > (AInternalOnly or BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal) for
> > A internal version: not (BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly)
> >
> > If there's so little unconditional text that it makes sense to tag
> > everything, it would probably be easier to switch to Flare.
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > > Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that
> > > the
> > text
> > > that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition
> > > for that version, and then in all the other versions (where it
> > > doesn't
> > appear),
> > > you NOT it.
> > >
> > > I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> If you have much content that is used in all versions, defining
> > >> conditional text to be excluded with NOT is simpler and less work.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Lin Sims 
> wrote:
> > >> > One of the "rules" I learned somewhere was to either have all
> > >> > your conditions say what the text is IN, or have them all say
> > >> > what the text is NOT in, because (I was told) it could get
> > >> > confusing if some conditions were for when you did want text and
> > >> > others where for when you didn't want
> > it.
> > >> > I
> > >> > generally pick what I want the text to be in.
> > >> >
> > >> > So my environment at the moment has two separate IPs, and two (or
> > maybe
> > >> > 3)
> > >> > separate audiences, so that was how I defined my conditions (plus
> > >> > the two spare that are only seen in review drafts).
> > >> >
> > >> > People inside the company get to see everything for a particular
> > >> > IP,
> > so
> > >> > their book has generic plus internal information for the IP plus
> > >> > the
> > one
> > >> > special customer's information for the IP.
> > >> >
> > >> > People outside the company (who aren't the specific customer) get
> > >> > to
> > see
> > >> > the
> > >> > generic information for the IP.
> > >> >
> > >> > People who work for that one special customer get to see the
> > >> > generic information for the IP plus the customer-specific
> > >> > information for the
> > IP
> > >> > but
> > >> > NOT the internal information for the IP.
> > >> >
> > >> > I had considered doing separate tags for

Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Craig, Alison 
If the footer text is the only External text you need then it doesn't have to 
be a condition, it can be a variable instead.

Create an "External" variable file with a single "Proprietary Footer" variable 
(containing the proprietary footer text) and an "All Other" variable file with 
a single - but empty - "Proprietary Footer" variable.

Set up all relevant footers as required with the "Proprietary Footer" variable, 
then simply copy in the relevant variable file at the appropriate time and 
overwrite the "Proprietary Footer" variable as needed.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:08 PM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with 
Internal Errors

Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the External tag.

Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary language 
in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not show to customers on 
pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our customer and we trust 
you to a certain point, but you do not show this to anyone else, y'hear?. And 
the text is in separate variables, so I can't just import a variable definition 
to them. So for the sake of not having to import page layouts as well as 
conditions and variables ... I have an External tag.

Laughable, ain't it?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly, 
> AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then the 
> conditional expressions would be:
>
> for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or 
> BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal) for A Cust version: not 
> (AInternalOnly or BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal) for 
> A internal version: not (BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly)
>
> If there's so little unconditional text that it makes sense to tag 
> everything, it would probably be easier to switch to Flare.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that 
> > the
> text
> > that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition 
> > for that version, and then in all the other versions (where it 
> > doesn't
> appear),
> > you NOT it.
> >
> > I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> If you have much content that is used in all versions, defining 
> >> conditional text to be excluded with NOT is simpler and less work.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > One of the "rules" I learned somewhere was to either have all 
> >> > your conditions say what the text is IN, or have them all say 
> >> > what the text is NOT in, because (I was told) it could get 
> >> > confusing if some conditions were for when you did want text and 
> >> > others where for when you didn't want
> it.
> >> > I
> >> > generally pick what I want the text to be in.
> >> >
> >> > So my environment at the moment has two separate IPs, and two (or
> maybe
> >> > 3)
> >> > separate audiences, so that was how I defined my conditions (plus 
> >> > the two spare that are only seen in review drafts).
> >> >
> >> > People inside the company get to see everything for a particular 
> >> > IP,
> so
> >> > their book has generic plus internal information for the IP plus 
> >> > the
> one
> >> > special customer's information for the IP.
> >> >
> >> > People outside the company (who aren't the specific customer) get 
> >> > to
> see
> >> > the
> >> > generic information for the IP.
> >> >
> >> > People who work for that one special customer get to see the 
> >> > generic information for the IP plus the customer-specific 
> >> > information for the
> IP
> >> > but
> >> > NOT the internal information for the IP.
> >> >
> >> > I had considered doing separate tags for each combination, but I 
> >> > could see the number of possible combinations getting wildly out 
> >> > of hand.
> >> >
> >> > There's the additional issue that I while I usually know which IP 
> >> > the information is for (if it isn't generic), I don't always know 
> >> > who the audience is. It can change. The IP has been known to 
> >> > change. ("Oh, we said it was IP A and everyone could see it? 
> >> > Sorry, it's actually for both
> IP
> >> > A
> >> > and IP B, but only we and Cust01 get to see it.")
> >> >
> >> > Robert's "not" suggestion seems to be working correctly to 
> >> > generate
> the
> >> > 6
> >> > books I believe I'll need, but I will probably do some more 
> >> > testing to be sure, since I don't entirely understand how Frame 
> >> > is handling conditions. I

Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Lin Sims 
The company has standardized on Frame, so Flare is not an option.

We really need to be in DITA. We were doing that before we were acquired
and the centralized technical communications department got siloed to
individual business units, and my new boss decided that he wanted me to use
unstructured Frame because it was faster. And by that I mean, I'm wasn't
well acquainted with DITA or how it works with our DCMS, and he needed
something in a big, big hurry, and the overhead added too much time.

Time to do some stragedy planning.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> I found FrameMaker's conditions became hard to use and maintain with
> even three overlapping deliverables: in one case, for students,
> teachers, and system administrators, in another customers, managers,
> and sysadmins.
>
> Flare's reuse features are much more manageable and transparent for
> more complex projects.
>
> My guess is your original expressions caused crashes because the
> logical redundancies were too complicated for the parser to evaluate.
>
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > I wanted to thank you again for the help with this. I was looking at a
> > nightmare, and it's now just a bad memory. :-)
> >
> > While it already seems to be working fine, I wanted to double-check
> > something. The expressions are set up as you suggested, to NOT the
> > conditions I don't want visible in a particular book.
> >
> > However, instead of setting a condition for each book being generated
> (which
> > would involve determining all of the different valid condition
> combinations;
> > admittedly a small task in this book), I am layering tags, mostly because
> > that's how I already have it set up and I really don't want to figure out
> > how to revise the tags and their application across 400+ pages in
> multiple
> > document and book files. The other reason is that I rarely know ahead of
> > time how many books will be coming out of the same set of documents.
> There's
> > always a minimum of two (internal and external), but I'll often have new
> IP
> > being added on months after I've started the project.
> >
> > Your suggestion works just as well with layered conditions as it does
> with a
> > condition tag set up for the particular combination of circumstances.
> >
> > I was wondering, though, if you or anyone else had a lot of experience
> doing
> > it this way and if there were a limit to the number of layers that could
> be
> > used. I have a maximum of two tags on any given piece of information at
> the
> > moment, but I'm also looking ahead to other books sets I have that can
> > generate up to 7 or 8 documents where a piece of information can appear
> in 4
> > but not the other 3, and there's not a lot of consistency to the
> > combinations. In other words, I'd rather have 7 or 8 conditions to work
> with
> > than the 20 or more that would be needed to cover all the combinations
> that
> > have appeared as new books are sourced from the same set of documents.
> And
> > yes, they really DO share enough information that it's far better to
> single
> > source than it is to split into separate projects.
> >
> > So will using your suggestion keep working when information has been
> tagged
> > with more than two conditions, and is there a hard limit to how many
> > conditions can be layered this way?
> >
> > I swear, I have to read that chapter again. Maybe several more times. And
> > I'd still like to know why my original expressions crashed things.
> >
> > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd probably name that TrustedCustomerOnly (or NDACustomerOnly?)
> >> instead of External.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the
> >> > External
> >> > tag.
> >> >
> >> > Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
> >> > language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not
> show
> >> > to
> >> > customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our
> >> > customer
> >> > and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to
> anyone
> >> > else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't just
> >> > import
> >> > a variable definition to them. So for the sake of not having to import
> >> > page
> >> > layouts as well as conditions and variables ... I have an External
> tag.
> >> >
> >> > Laughable, ain't it?
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly,
> >> >> AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then
> the
> >> >> conditional expressions would be:
> >> >>
> >> >> for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or
> >> >> BCustOnly or

Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Robert Lauriston 
I found FrameMaker's conditions became hard to use and maintain with
even three overlapping deliverables: in one case, for students,
teachers, and system administrators, in another customers, managers,
and sysadmins.

Flare's reuse features are much more manageable and transparent for
more complex projects.

My guess is your original expressions caused crashes because the
logical redundancies were too complicated for the parser to evaluate.


On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> I wanted to thank you again for the help with this. I was looking at a
> nightmare, and it's now just a bad memory. :-)
>
> While it already seems to be working fine, I wanted to double-check
> something. The expressions are set up as you suggested, to NOT the
> conditions I don't want visible in a particular book.
>
> However, instead of setting a condition for each book being generated (which
> would involve determining all of the different valid condition combinations;
> admittedly a small task in this book), I am layering tags, mostly because
> that's how I already have it set up and I really don't want to figure out
> how to revise the tags and their application across 400+ pages in multiple
> document and book files. The other reason is that I rarely know ahead of
> time how many books will be coming out of the same set of documents. There's
> always a minimum of two (internal and external), but I'll often have new IP
> being added on months after I've started the project.
>
> Your suggestion works just as well with layered conditions as it does with a
> condition tag set up for the particular combination of circumstances.
>
> I was wondering, though, if you or anyone else had a lot of experience doing
> it this way and if there were a limit to the number of layers that could be
> used. I have a maximum of two tags on any given piece of information at the
> moment, but I'm also looking ahead to other books sets I have that can
> generate up to 7 or 8 documents where a piece of information can appear in 4
> but not the other 3, and there's not a lot of consistency to the
> combinations. In other words, I'd rather have 7 or 8 conditions to work with
> than the 20 or more that would be needed to cover all the combinations that
> have appeared as new books are sourced from the same set of documents. And
> yes, they really DO share enough information that it's far better to single
> source than it is to split into separate projects.
>
> So will using your suggestion keep working when information has been tagged
> with more than two conditions, and is there a hard limit to how many
> conditions can be layered this way?
>
> I swear, I have to read that chapter again. Maybe several more times. And
> I'd still like to know why my original expressions crashed things.
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'd probably name that TrustedCustomerOnly (or NDACustomerOnly?)
>> instead of External.
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the
>> > External
>> > tag.
>> >
>> > Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
>> > language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not show
>> > to
>> > customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our
>> > customer
>> > and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to anyone
>> > else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't just
>> > import
>> > a variable definition to them. So for the sake of not having to import
>> > page
>> > layouts as well as conditions and variables ... I have an External tag.
>> >
>> > Laughable, ain't it?
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly,
>> >> AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then the
>> >> conditional expressions would be:
>> >>
>> >> for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or
>> >> BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal)
>> >> for A Cust version: not (AInternalOnly or BOnly or BCustOnly or
>> >> BInternalOnly or Internal)
>> >> for A internal version: not (BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly)
>> >>
>> >> If there's so little unconditional text that it makes sense to tag
>> >> everything, it would probably be easier to switch to Flare.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> >> > Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that
>> >> > the
>> >> > text
>> >> > that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition
>> >> > for
>> >> > that version, and then in all the other versions (where it doesn't
>> >> > appear),
>> >> > you NOT it.
>> >> >
>> >> > I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!
>> >> >
>>

Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files

2016-05-11 Thread Rick Quatro 
Excellent idea. You could even configure a script to put corresponding page
numbers in the plain text document so that when you found the text in the
text copy, you could more easily locate the text in the FrameMaker document.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com




-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Jo H
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Austin Meredith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files

Would it be an option for you to keep a copy of every FM document in plain
text? This is not as cumbersome as it sounds, since you can install an
Extendscript which saves the plain text copy automatically whenever you
choose File > Save.

I've set up something similiar to have a readable copy for Git version
management. If you're interested, I can post the Extendscript on the mailing
list.

Jo H


2016-05-07 15:28 GMT+02:00 Austin Meredith :
>I don't seem to be able to persuade the File Explorer of Windows 10 to
>find Boolean content inside FrameMaker2015 files. I've tried all the
>obvious tricks such as making certain that the file suffixes ".fm" and
>".frame" are included in the indexing list, and deleting and rebuilding
>that indexing list. File Explorer will find the name "Thoreau" if it is
>part of the FrameMaker file's filename such as "ThoreauINDEX.fm" and
>will indeed find the name "Thoreau" when it is *inside* a '.txt" or
>other file, but refuses to find the name "Thoreau" for me when it is
>inside a ".fm" or ".frame" file. What am I doing wrong? -Austin
>Meredith
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Lin Sims 
I wanted to thank you again for the help with this. I was looking at a
nightmare, and it's now just a bad memory. :-)

While it already seems to be working fine, I wanted to double-check
something. The expressions are set up as you suggested, to NOT the
conditions I don't want visible in a particular book.

However, instead of setting a condition for each book being generated
(which would involve determining all of the different valid condition
combinations; admittedly a small task in this book), I am layering tags,
mostly because that's how I already have it set up and I really don't want
to figure out how to revise the tags and their application across 400+
pages in multiple document and book files. The other reason is that I
rarely know ahead of time how many books will be coming out of the same set
of documents. There's always a minimum of two (internal and external), but
I'll often have new IP being added on months after I've started the
project.

Your suggestion works just as well with layered conditions as it does with
a condition tag set up for the particular combination of circumstances.

I was wondering, though, if you or anyone else had a lot of experience
doing it this way and if there were a limit to the number of layers that
could be used. I have a maximum of two tags on any given piece of
information at the moment, but I'm also looking ahead to other books sets I
have that can generate up to 7 or 8 documents where a piece of information
can appear in 4 but not the other 3, and there's not a lot of consistency
to the combinations. In other words, I'd rather have 7 or 8 conditions to
work with than the 20 or more that would be needed to cover all the
combinations that have appeared as new books are sourced from the same set
of documents. And yes, they really DO share enough information that it's
far better to single source than it is to split into separate projects.

So will using your suggestion keep working when information has been tagged
with more than two conditions, and is there a hard limit to how many
conditions can be layered this way?

I swear, I have to read that chapter again. Maybe several more times. And
I'd still like to know why my original expressions crashed things.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> I'd probably name that TrustedCustomerOnly (or NDACustomerOnly?)
> instead of External.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the
> External
> > tag.
> >
> > Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
> > language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not show
> to
> > customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our
> customer
> > and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to anyone
> > else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't just
> import
> > a variable definition to them. So for the sake of not having to import
> page
> > layouts as well as conditions and variables ... I have an External tag.
> >
> > Laughable, ain't it?
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly,
> >> AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then the
> >> conditional expressions would be:
> >>
> >> for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or
> >> BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal)
> >> for A Cust version: not (AInternalOnly or BOnly or BCustOnly or
> >> BInternalOnly or Internal)
> >> for A internal version: not (BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly)
> >>
> >> If there's so little unconditional text that it makes sense to tag
> >> everything, it would probably be easier to switch to Flare.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that the
> >> > text
> >> > that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition
> for
> >> > that version, and then in all the other versions (where it doesn't
> >> > appear),
> >> > you NOT it.
> >> >
> >> > I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If you have much content that is used in all versions, defining
> >> >> conditional text to be excluded with NOT is simpler and less work.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Lin Sims 
> wrote:
> >> >> > One of the "rules" I learned somewhere was to either have all your
> >> >> > conditions say what the text is IN, or have them all say what the
> >> >> > text
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > NOT in, because (I was told) it could get confusing if some
> >> >> > conditions
> >> >> > were
> >> >> > for when you did want text and

Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files

2016-05-11 Thread Jo H 
Would it be an option for you to keep a copy of every FM document in
plain text? This is not as cumbersome as it sounds, since you can
install an Extendscript which saves the plain text copy automatically
whenever you choose File > Save.

I've set up something similiar to have a readable copy for Git version
management. If you're interested, I can post the Extendscript on the
mailing list.

Jo H


2016-05-07 15:28 GMT+02:00 Austin Meredith :
>I don't seem to be able to persuade the File Explorer of Windows 10 to
>find Boolean content inside FrameMaker2015 files. I've tried all the
>obvious tricks such as making certain that the file suffixes ".fm" and
>".frame" are included in the indexing list, and deleting and rebuilding
>that indexing list. File Explorer will find the name "Thoreau" if it is
>part of the FrameMaker file's filename such as "ThoreauINDEX.fm" and
>will indeed find the name "Thoreau" when it is *inside* a '.txt" or
>other file, but refuses to find the name "Thoreau" for me when it is
>inside a ".fm" or ".frame" file. What am I doing wrong? -Austin
>Meredith
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread Robert Lauriston 
I'd probably name that TrustedCustomerOnly (or NDACustomerOnly?)
instead of External.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Most of the text is unconditional. And sadly, I actually need the External
> tag.
>
> Not because of any of the actual TEXT, but because of the proprietary
> language in the footers. We have one sentence for internal, do not show to
> customers on pain of feeding the dragons, and another of you're our customer
> and we trust you to a certain point, but you do not show this to anyone
> else, y'hear?. And the text is in separate variables, so I can't just import
> a variable definition to them. So for the sake of not having to import page
> layouts as well as conditions and variables ... I have an External tag.
>
> Laughable, ain't it?
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly. In your situation, I'd maybe have AOnly, ACustOnly,
>> AInternalOnly, BOnly, BCustOnly, BInternalOnly, and Internal. Then the
>> conditional expressions would be:
>>
>> for A regular version: not (ACustOnly or AInternalOnly or BOnly or
>> BCustOnly or BInternalOnly or Internal)
>> for A Cust version: not (AInternalOnly or BOnly or BCustOnly or
>> BInternalOnly or Internal)
>> for A internal version: not (BOnly or BCustOnly or BInternalOnly)
>>
>> If there's so little unconditional text that it makes sense to tag
>> everything, it would probably be easier to switch to Flare.
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that the
>> > text
>> > that needs to appear in a certain version be tagged with a condition for
>> > that version, and then in all the other versions (where it doesn't
>> > appear),
>> > you NOT it.
>> >
>> > I tell you what, after today I am definitely going to remember that!
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If you have much content that is used in all versions, defining
>> >> conditional text to be excluded with NOT is simpler and less work.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> >> > One of the "rules" I learned somewhere was to either have all your
>> >> > conditions say what the text is IN, or have them all say what the
>> >> > text
>> >> > is
>> >> > NOT in, because (I was told) it could get confusing if some
>> >> > conditions
>> >> > were
>> >> > for when you did want text and others where for when you didn't want
>> >> > it.
>> >> > I
>> >> > generally pick what I want the text to be in.
>> >> >
>> >> > So my environment at the moment has two separate IPs, and two (or
>> >> > maybe
>> >> > 3)
>> >> > separate audiences, so that was how I defined my conditions (plus the
>> >> > two
>> >> > spare that are only seen in review drafts).
>> >> >
>> >> > People inside the company get to see everything for a particular IP,
>> >> > so
>> >> > their book has generic plus internal information for the IP plus the
>> >> > one
>> >> > special customer's information for the IP.
>> >> >
>> >> > People outside the company (who aren't the specific customer) get to
>> >> > see
>> >> > the
>> >> > generic information for the IP.
>> >> >
>> >> > People who work for that one special customer get to see the generic
>> >> > information for the IP plus the customer-specific information for the
>> >> > IP
>> >> > but
>> >> > NOT the internal information for the IP.
>> >> >
>> >> > I had considered doing separate tags for each combination, but I
>> >> > could
>> >> > see
>> >> > the number of possible combinations getting wildly out of hand.
>> >> >
>> >> > There's the additional issue that I while I usually know which IP the
>> >> > information is for (if it isn't generic), I don't always know who the
>> >> > audience is. It can change. The IP has been known to change. ("Oh, we
>> >> > said
>> >> > it was IP A and everyone could see it? Sorry, it's actually for both
>> >> > IP
>> >> > A
>> >> > and IP B, but only we and Cust01 get to see it.")
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert's "not" suggestion seems to be working correctly to generate
>> >> > the
>> >> > 6
>> >> > books I believe I'll need, but I will probably do some more testing
>> >> > to
>> >> > be
>> >> > sure, since I don't entirely understand how Frame is handling
>> >> > conditions. I
>> >> > honestly thought I had to explicitly state all the combinations I did
>> >> > want
>> >> > and all the ones I didn't want (hence the crashes and the plea for
>> >> > help).
>> >> >
>> >> > Again, thanks to all (and particularly Robert) for all the help.
>> >> >
>> >> > Time to go home.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Robert Lauriston
>> >> > 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Generally speaking, when defining a set of conditions, you want to
>> >> >> (1)
>> >> >> minimize the amount of text that has to be tagged, (2)

Re: [Framers] DITA 1.3 issue

2016-05-11 Thread Scott Prentice 

Hi Andrey...

You may have better luck asking this question on the framemaker-dita 
Yahoo list. Also, providing a bit more information would probably help 
as well (in particular, your FM version and OT version).


It's very possible that the OT build scripts have changed enough that 
the FM connector doesn't work properly with it any more .. does your FM 
version claim to work with DITA 1.3?


Cheers,
...scott


On 5/11/16 3:46 AM, Andrey Bondarenko wrote:

When I try to build DITA 1.3 bookmap I get an error message:

[DOTX008E][ERROR] File '*.ditamap' does not exist or cannot be loaded.

With DITA 1.2 all is OK.
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker with Internal Errors

2016-05-11 Thread David Artman 
   One quick note on the below: Save expression on a Reference Page in
   your template(s) (if only in one, I'd go with your cover/frontmatter
   template). Then you can easily copy & paste without running an outside
   application. (I'm still in Frame8 Land, so if there's a way to save
   conditional expressions as 'menu items' now, then obviously do that).

    Original Message 
   Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional Expression build crashing FrameMaker
   with Internal Errors
   From: Lin Sims <[1]ljsims...@gmail.com>
   Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 4:06 pm
   ...

   Just in case, though, I've copied the expressions into each book's
   settings
   file AND into a OneNote notebook I keep on each project. The
   expressions...

References

   1. mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Problem

2016-05-11 Thread Rick Quatro 
What are the names of the target files where the links don't work. Do any of
the paths have special characters or more than one space in them?

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
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Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker Problem

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A strange thing happened to me when I created a book in FM and added TOC,
LOF and LOT.

The TOC links to Chapter 1 are OK but for all the other chapters, when I try
to link, I get a message that these chapters are missing. And this a TOC I
created from those files just now.

The same happens in the LOF and LOT.

I tried to create a new book from the files and the same thing happened
again.

Any ideas?
Thanks

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[Framers] DITA 1.3 issue

2016-05-11 Thread Andrey Bondarenko 
When I try to build DITA 1.3 bookmap I get an error message:

[DOTX008E][ERROR] File '*.ditamap' does not exist or cannot be loaded.

With DITA 1.2 all is OK.
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[Framers] FrameMaker Problem

2016-05-11 Thread Shmuel Wolfson 

POSTING FOR A FRIEND - PLEASE REPLY TO ad...@netvision.net.il



A strange thing happened to me when I created a book in FM and added 
TOC, LOF and LOT.


The TOC links to Chapter 1 are OK but for all the other chapters, when I 
try to link, I get a message that these chapters are missing. And this a 
TOC I created from those files just now.


The same happens in the LOF and LOT.

I tried to create a new book from the files and the same thing happened 
again.


Any ideas?
Thanks

Adit Diamant
ad...@netvision.net.il



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Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files

2016-05-11 Thread Shmuel Wolfson 
I use Agent Ransack. It's a free search utility that can search inside 
files, including FrameMaker files.


--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133

On 10-May-16 7:17 AM, gr...@hedgewizard.net wrote:

I paid for the File Locator Pro version of Agent Ransack; I like the
ability to search network drives

  On May 7, 2016 at 11:01 AM Robert Lauriston 
  wrote:
  Windows' search is garbage. I use Agent Ransack, a free search tool.
  On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:28 AM, Austin Meredith 
  wrote:

  I don't seem to be able to persuade the File Explorer of Windows 10
  to
  find Boolean content inside FrameMaker2015 files. I've tried all the
  obvious tricks such as making certain that the file suffixes ".fm"
  and
  ".frame" are included in the indexing list, and deleting and
  rebuilding
  that indexing list. File Explorer will find the name "Thoreau" if it
  is
  part of the FrameMaker file's filename such as "ThoreauINDEX.fm" and
  will indeed find the name "Thoreau" when it is *inside* a '.txt" or
  other file, but refuses to find the name "Thoreau" for me when it is
  inside a ".fm" or ".frame" file. What am I doing wrong? -Austin
  Meredith

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