Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Optical margins are margins made to look visually straight. FrameMaker makes them actually straight. So, if you have a line that begin with, say, a quotation mark or an apostrophe, there is a bit more white space at that point on the line, because the character is small. Your eye notes that and your brain tells you that the column edge isn't exactly straight. With optical margins, characters are shifted slightly to make them visually appear straight. Here's a short article with a graphic that shows it: https://indesignsecrets.com/tip-of-the-week-using-optical-margin-alignment.php Yes, FrameMaker can use old style numerals if the file has them, but not automatically. You can't just type the numbers and get oldstyle, you have to use the Character Map to find them in the font and then copy or type in their Alt-codes. Programs that support OpenType features can be set to automatically convert to old style numerals. Again, yes, there are also fonts that have numerators/denominators and super/subscripts, and you can use them if you set up variables or go the Character Map route, but that's extra work. If Frame just had separate settings for them, instead of just one, you wouldn't even need a font that contained these characters. Or, if Frame utilized OpenType features, it would pick those automatically. But, you're right, I should file them as a feature request. Again. :) Mike On 1/16/2020 7:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote: What is an optical margin? Also, if you're looking for "old style numerals", are you talking about where numbers like the 3 extending slightly below the baseline? That appears to be a function of the font set as much as anything else. I'm pretty sure I've seen fonts that provide that still. As for super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, again, depending on the font you use, there are font sets that include super and subscript glyphs that work well as numerators and denominators, instead of using the superscript/subscript function on the character designer. I've got a whole set of variables that are just constructed fractions using built-in font glyphs. (We use Source Sans Pro because it has a lot of the mathematical symbols we need and it also lets us construct those fractions.) At any rate, if there are features you'd like added, you can always put in a feature request: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home Talk about them here and I'm sure a bunch of us would vote for them. You can also make requests on the Adobe FrameMaker forum: https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/bd-p/framemaker?page=1=latest_replies=all and tag it with Feature Request. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. Mike On 1/15/2020 2:54 PM, TW Smith wrote: Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting in the non-beta, current FM version. Not sure what I need in a new version of FM. Probably stronger Word filters, a better way to round-trip MIF, and a more robust and straightforward way of finding missing fonts in the actual files. Cheers. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to
[Framers] FM 19 and Bookmarks in PDF output
Just had an odd thing happen in FM 19 all patched up. Made a couple of PDFs from my FM books, no problem. PDF bookmarks mirrored the correct heading styles correctly. Then, another book had all the wrong bookmarks. I fixed the latter issued by using Format > Document > PDF Setup and then selected Paragraphs for Source (It was Elements) and then populating the styles I wanted (there were none listed). This was odd, because when I inspected the PDF Setup of the two books I did previous to the broken one, I saw the PDF Setup was the same ... Elements selected, no styles chosen. Yet, these two books created PDFs with the correct bookmark output. Thoughts about this oddity? Cheers, Sean ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Hi, Doug: I don't have any running FM versions to test these ideas, but two possibly helpful hoops might be: * Run additional instances of FM to display the items caught in modal-dialog limbo, but this might be a problem if FM's lock files prevent opening the same file multiple times, (like Heraclitus couldn't step into the same river twice.) A workaround for this could be to save the a copy of the file. * A script that captures the properties of selected objects. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:34 AM Doug wrote: > What I'd like to see in a new version of FM is a non-modal information > dialog that displays all of the characteristics of the currently selected > frame. > > Currently I have to use separate information windows for anchor frames and > object properties, for example. They are non-modal, so that's good, but I > don't have the convenience of looking at the same location to view the data > I'm interested in, since they are separate dialogs. > > What's worse is that both text frames and graphic frames use modal > windows. I have to jump through some hoops to view their data, and because > they are modal, I can't use ANY other part of Framemaker unless I close > their Properties dialogs first. > > I'm using FM 2017 BTW. > > Computers are supposed to make our jobs easier. A single non-modal > information dialog is one way to do so. > > --Doug > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > > > New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features > > for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the > > program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of > > graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a > > graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns > > wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType > > features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless > > about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical > > margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed > > docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? > > Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for > > either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Hi Doug, FYI: There's a free *FrameScript* script (FrameScript plugin required) that displays some information of different objects in a non-modal dialog: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/metrics-palette/ (created 2003, still works in 2020 ...) Kind regards Klaus Müller Consulting & Process Automation itl AG, Munich, Germany +49 89 892623-660 -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:35 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 What I'd like to see in a new version of FM is a non-modal information dialog that displays all of the characteristics of the currently selected frame. Currently I have to use separate information windows for anchor frames and object properties, for example. They are non-modal, so that's good, but I don't have the convenience of looking at the same location to view the data I'm interested in, since they are separate dialogs. What's worse is that both text frames and graphic frames use modal windows. I have to jump through some hoops to view their data, and because they are modal, I can't use ANY other part of Framemaker unless I close their Properties dialogs first. I'm using FM 2017 BTW. Computers are supposed to make our jobs easier. A single non-modal information dialog is one way to do so. --Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
What I'd like to see in a new version of FM is a non-modal information dialog that displays all of the characteristics of the currently selected frame. Currently I have to use separate information windows for anchor frames and object properties, for example. They are non-modal, so that's good, but I don't have the convenience of looking at the same location to view the data I'm interested in, since they are separate dialogs. What's worse is that both text frames and graphic frames use modal windows. I have to jump through some hoops to view their data, and because they are modal, I can't use ANY other part of Framemaker unless I close their Properties dialogs first. I'm using FM 2017 BTW. Computers are supposed to make our jobs easier. A single non-modal information dialog is one way to do so. --Doug On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features > for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the > program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of > graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a > graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns > wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType > features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless > about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical > margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed > docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? > Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for > either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
What is an optical margin? Also, if you're looking for "old style numerals", are you talking about where numbers like the 3 extending slightly below the baseline? That appears to be a function of the font set as much as anything else. I'm pretty sure I've seen fonts that provide that still. As for super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, again, depending on the font you use, there are font sets that include super and subscript glyphs that work well as numerators and denominators, instead of using the superscript/subscript function on the character designer. I've got a whole set of variables that are just constructed fractions using built-in font glyphs. (We use Source Sans Pro because it has a lot of the mathematical symbols we need and it also lets us construct those fractions.) At any rate, if there are features you'd like added, you can always put in a feature request: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home Talk about them here and I'm sure a bunch of us would vote for them. You can also make requests on the Adobe FrameMaker forum: https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/bd-p/framemaker?page=1=latest_replies=all and tag it with Feature Request. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features > for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the > program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of > graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a > graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns > wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType > features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless > about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical > margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed > docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? > Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for > either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. > > Mike > > On 1/15/2020 2:54 PM, TW Smith wrote: > > Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test > > on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me > > information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta > > concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting > in > > the non-beta, current FM version. Not sure what I need in a new version > of > > FM. Probably stronger Word filters, a better way to round-trip MIF, and a > > more robust and straightforward way of finding missing fonts in the > actual > > files. Cheers. > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Robert Lauriston > > wrote: > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
