Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person Was: Framers Digest, Vol 171, Issue 8

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At 02:26 PM 6/18/2020, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:26:24 +
Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 171, Issue 8

Phillip Norman wrote:

> I address this conversation with wish the simple nearly-free 
tools I use, should be packaged for a large new set of users, for 
purchase at very small cost. If Adobe isn't interested, look for 
other possibilities.


Indeed!

I still receive this list because I am (a) a relatively early 
FrameMaker user - started in 1988 on a Sun 3/50, so nostalgia 
applies to me, and (b) still occasionally fire up version FM 12 to 
make *small* changes to existing older FM documents.


Otherwise, due to the high cost of "upgrading" FM decision by Adobe 
form FM 15 onwards, I moved away from their tools some time back.


Now, the last one is Acrobat Pro and I am trying other PDF tools to 
evaluate them as functional replacements - so far, the SoftMaker PDF 
tool appears to be working pretty well for my needs.


My choices - and this will NOT necessarily be applicable to others 
for their documents, of course! - was to switch to LaTeX markup for 
all *my* specification documents (using a very nice editor for 
relatively instant and easy check of the PDF output), and various 
Magix/Xara tools for image editing, video editing, and brochures. 
The Magix/Xara tools are not free, but very low-cost, and much less 
expensive than Adobe ... including upgrades.


I am happy with those decisions ... indeed, the experience has made 
me look for other lower-cost products too. So, I am also evaluating 
SoftMaker Office as an alternative to Microsoft tools that I still 
use (for presentation and spreadsheets for example).


Z
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Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 171, Issue 8

2020-06-18 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Phillip Norman wrote:

> I address this conversation with wish the simple nearly-free tools I use, 
> should be packaged for a large new set of users, for purchase at very small 
> cost. If Adobe isn't interested, look for other possibilities.

Indeed! 

I still receive this list because I am (a) a relatively early FrameMaker user - 
started in 1988 on a Sun 3/50, so nostalgia applies to me, and (b) still 
occasionally fire up version FM 12 to make *small* changes to existing older FM 
documents.

Otherwise, due to the high cost of "upgrading" FM decision by Adobe form FM 15 
onwards, I moved away from their tools some time back. 

Now, the last one is Acrobat Pro and I am trying other PDF tools to evaluate 
them as functional replacements - so far, the SoftMaker PDF tool appears to be 
working pretty well for my needs.

My choices - and this will NOT necessarily be applicable to others for their 
documents, of course! - was to switch to LaTeX markup for all *my* 
specification documents (using a very nice editor for relatively instant and 
easy check of the PDF output), and various Magix/Xara tools for image editing, 
video editing, and brochures. The Magix/Xara tools are not free, but very 
low-cost, and much less expensive than Adobe ... including upgrades. 

I am happy with those decisions ... indeed, the experience has made me look for 
other lower-cost products too. So, I am also evaluating SoftMaker Office as an 
alternative to Microsoft tools that I still use (for presentation and 
spreadsheets for example).

Z
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Re: [Framers] Open Excel from FM - Framers Digest, Vol 171, Issue 7

2020-06-18 Thread Orly Zimmerman
 
This email is in response to David's response to my query - the digest lost his 
formatted message apparently, also omitting his details. 
===

HI David, 
It's not onerous at all to manually attach the XLSX file to the PDF after 
generating. That's exactly what I do. But, that implies that the user 
 a. knows there is an Excel file attached to the PDF.
 b. knows where to find the attachment to open it. 
They may not be aware that there is an attachment pane that can be opened. 

I would like to have a spot on the page where the reader can click and open the 
Excel file directly from the page. Alternatively, as you suggested, I could 
embed the sheet as an OLE object (as I do with my Visio figures), but it's 
really too large for my page (it's an ASIC pinlist with different colors for 
the different balls - sort of like a map). 

Mind you, I can also, deliver the PDF and Excel sheet separately, and as long 
as the user has both files in the same folder, then I can have the reader click 
a PDF link (directly from anywhere on a page) and the Excel file will open in 
Excel - all this is controlled with a simple hypertext message marker and works 
well, however, I can't control delivery to customers that way. It might be ok 
for my internal readers. 

Maybe there are other solutions out there yet? 
Thanks, 
Orly 
=
Orly originally wrote: 
---
HI All,
I would like to open an Excel file from a PDF created by FM.
I'm trying to use a HotSpot graphic box - where I populated the URL destination 
as: //filename.xlsx

So, when I get my PDF, it asks me if it's ok to open the file and I "allow" it.
But the file doesn't open. The file is in the same folder as the PDF file.

Any ideas how I can do this?
I don't care if it's not via the hotspot properties, but I would like the Excel 
file linked somehow to the PDF.
If I could embed the Excel file within the FM file - that would be best - 
assuming it would allow opening the Excel via the generated PDF.

Thanks,
Orly

David's response: 

Is it too onerous to manually attach the XLSX file to the PDF after generating? 
I'd have to play around and research whether a link can be made in Pro to an 
attachment. That too would be manual, presumably. Another thought: embed the 
XLSX in a frame as an object? Weird need! Good luck, DavidDCA:d.a.d

  
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[Framers] Videos in FrameMaker, setting properties in Acrobat

2020-06-18 Thread Tom Beiswenger
This is not a strictly FrameMaker question, but hoping that someone out there 
has done this and can help.

We are starting to use video tutorials in many of our instruction manuals. 
These videos are referenced in the FrameMaker files and then set up to play in 
Adobe Acrobat. I don't like the default setting for videos in Acrobat. I want 
to play them in a floating window and at a specific size (the default in 
Acrobat -- 320 x 240 -- is too small). In addition to changing the Playback 
Style to "Play content on floating window," I also change the size of the video 
playback window to 960 x 540 (which matches the scale of the videos that I am 
using). Currently, I have to do this at every video in the manual. Is there a 
way to "permanently" change the default settings to those that match what I 
need? 

Tom Beiswenger
Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation

Emhart Glass Inc. 
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Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 171, Issue 8

2020-06-18 Thread Phillip Norman
I am an unusual FrameMaker user. I use v5.5.6 nearly every day, for the
ability to make quite-complex 2D drawings integral with the superior text
creation. I join in the nostalgia. I saw FrameMaker as the most-impressive
software on a Next computer at a roll-out beyond that to academics, in
Providence, RI. My first owned copy was at v5.5. I address this
conversation with wish the simple nearly-free tools I use, should be
packaged for a large new set of users, for purchase at very small cost. If
Adobe isn't interested, look for other possibilities.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:08 PM 
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> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:18:07 +0200
> From: Ralf Kohler 
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> Dear List,
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> Klaus Daube was so friendly to pass on my question. So far I am very
> grateful for the feedback. It helped me formulate my question more
> concisely: I am looking for the two tutorials ?Learning FrameMaker? and
> ?Using FrameMaker?. Both have been published by
> Frame Technology in 1989. From what I can see looking in the world cat
> database, there has been a general UNIX edition but not a specific NeXTSTEP
> one. Is that correct, or does anybody remember otherwise? I will try to get
> this issue through interlibrary loan in my local library. But if someone
> happens to have an e-book, I would be very grateful if I could borrow it.
> By the way, I really want to work with it, so it's not pure nostalgia.
> During the covid-19 lockdown I have sketched a music theory book which I
> would like to develop now further in the next month to come. I still use
> NextSTEP to this day because I still consider the GUI to be unsurpassed in
> its simplicity and functionality.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ralf
>
> > On 16. Jun 2020, at 02:07, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
> >
> > There was an external SCSI CD-ROM drive later on.
> >
> >
> http://www.kevra.org/TheBestOfNext/NeXTProducts/NeXTHardware/ExternalCD-ROM-Drive/files/page624_2.pdf
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 5:01 PM Fred Ridder  wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, the original NeXT computer was designed before CD-ROM was
> standardized. The so-called Yellow Book that contained the CD-ROM standards
> was published in 1988, the same year that the NeXT was introduced. Instead,
> the original NeXT computer came with a magneto-optical disc drive that used
> removable disc cartridges as both the primary storage and the external
> media device while a magnetic hard drive was an option.
> >>
> >> In 1990, the second generation NeXT -- the one that was officially
> named the NeXTcube -- dropped the MO drive in favor of a conventional hard
> disc as the primary storage. A 3.5" HD floppy drive was available as an
> option and every cube I saw was fitted with one. The NeXTstation (the pizza
> box) came with a 3.5" floppy standard.
>
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> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:23:54 -0700
> From: Robert Lauriston 
> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
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> I'm pretty sure FrameMaker 3.0 will work only with legacy fonts.
>
> If you like NextStep, you ought to like OS X / MacOS. It's a direct
> descendant and quite recognizable as such. Lots of scorewriter / music
> notation software.
>
> My main problem with NextStep is that I had to use the mouse for
> everything. It felt like their design guideline was "never type when
> you can click, never click when you can click and drag." Using the
> mouse so much gave me a bone spur that messed up my rotator cuff.
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:18 AM Ralf Kohler  wrote:
> >
> ... By the way, I really want to work with it, so it's not pure
> nostalgia. During the covid-19 lockdown I have sketched a music theory
> book which I would like to develop now further in the next month to
> come. I still use NextSTEP to this day because I still consider the
> GUI to be unsurpassed in its simplicity and functionality.
>
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