Re: [Framers] San Serif Font?

2024-03-22 Thread Edwards, Patrick H 
Lots of wonderful stuff on fonts as well in The Elements of Typographic Style 
by Robert Bringhurst. Samples, advice, designers, foundries, terminology, 
candyland for font geeks like me.

Patrick

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Off topic from the original question, but I give two thumbs up to the book 
"Just my Type"! Alison -Original Message- From: Framers 
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Off topic from the original question, but I give two thumbs up to the book 
"Just my Type"!



Alison



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I like Eurostile a lot? (bought it from Adobe for myself decades ago and loved 
the squarish look, particularly Eurostile Wide for some uses).



Google recommends Orbitron as "similar" to Eurostile. However, I have not used 
that one yet, so please check it out yourself.



In my current company, we use fonts that are likely to be public or generally 
available, and Google fonts tend to fit that requirement well.



Some time back, our design folks chose Nunito and Montserrat from Google as our 
nominal sans serif "standards" for our template for presentation materials. I 
have not started using them yet ...



My favorite for PowerPoint decks is in the Segoe family - regular and bolded 
Segoe UI looks very elegant (to me anyway - beauty is in the eye of the 
beholder, right? ??) when presented on a screen.



Z



P.S. You probably did not realize that you opened a Pandora's box for me by 
discussing fonts! ??



I am a geek in this matter - I own a printed copy of Adobe's book of their 
fonts from some years ago, and also own these books on fonts:



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and



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Subject: [Framers] San Serif Font?

Re: [Framers] San Serif Font?

2024-03-21 Thread Edwards, Patrick H 
You could use something like Adobe's Source Sans that has a ton of variants:
https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/source-sans
See the Licensing tab on this page.

Best,
Patrick

Patrick H. Edwards * Supervisor of Production
International Ocean Discovery Program * JOIDES Resolution Science Operator
Texas A University * 1000 Discovery Drive * College Station TX  77845-9547
979 845 1172 * edwa...@iodp.tamu.edu


From: Framers  On 
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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 10:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] San Serif Font?

Hello Tammy, "Standard" with Windows? I find that Microsoft will make changes 
to their Windows and Office offerings as they want to, and Adobe tends to 
supply few and fewer fonts with every product release. For example, Microsoft 
recently changed
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Hello Tammy,



"Standard" with Windows?   I find that Microsoft will make changes to

their Windows and Office offerings as they want to, and Adobe tends to

supply few and fewer fonts with every product release. For example,

Microsoft recently changed the default Office font from Calibri to Aptos.



Fonts that come with Windows are not the same as fonts that are supplied

when Microsoft Office is installed.

One good example of this is "Arial".  When some versions of Office were

installed, Arial got a "Unicode MS" variant which had many more font

glyphs than the original Arial. This would sometimes cause problems when

Word documents were shared with users who didn't have the extra fonts

installed.





I would suggest to specify a font the customer wants, regardless of what

Microsoft specifies.

This way you/customer can choose which fonts to use, but also determine

under which license the fonts are available.

 
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Regards

/// Simon BUCH









On 21/03/2024 14:02, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

> OK all,

> I am doing a major overhaul on an existing template for a client. I very much 
> like the San serif fonts of Eurostile or Roboto, but I really don't want to 
> break my cardinal rule of using proprietary fonts that have to be embedded in 
> the final PDF. I really would like to be able to use a font that comes 
> standard with windows, but which font, in your opinion, that comes standard 
> with windows would be the closest to either of these two fonts?

>

> My client saw a template that I was working on for another project and really 
> commented that they liked the look of the Roboto font and then I showed him 
> one with the EUROSTILE font and they like that one just as much. That said, I 
> don't wanna leave my client with  having to deal with fonts in their source 
> files.

> Thanks!

> Tammy

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[Framers] A n00b question about anchored frames

2020-06-12 Thread Edwards, Patrick H 
Hi all,

I would like to be able to place two anchored frames side-by-side in a single 
column in a text frame. It would be even better if at least one of the anchored 
frames could extend past the width of the column. Does FrameMaker allow this?

Best,
Patrick

Patrick H. Edwards · Supervisor of Production
International Ocean Discovery Program · JOIDES Resolution Science Operator
Texas A University · 1000 Discovery Drive · College Station TX  77845-9547
979 845 1199 · edwa...@iodp.tamu.edu
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It’s not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works.” 
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

2020-04-02 Thread Edwards, Patrick H 
Frame 5.1.1, and oh man WordPerfect as well. I won a copy of Frame 6 for Mac at 
the FrameMaker Chautauqua one year, handed to me by Kay Ethier. Seems like 
yesterday

On 4/2/20, 10:16 AM, "Framers on behalf of Lin Sims" 
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Started with, I think, Frame 5.5.2, so I'm a relative newbie compared to
you hoary folks. Before that I was using WordPerfect (a program I still
have a strong love for).

And I'm sorry to report that FM's spell checker, at least as of FM2019, no
longer suggests FrameMaker for Interleaf. Interleaf is still marked as a
possible misspelling, but the new top suggestion is "Inter-leaf". Internet,
Interlinear, and Interfile are also suggested.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:09 AM Paul Wilbraham 
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> Echo that.
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> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 15:12, Craig Ede  wrote:
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> > I had a Windows copy of Frame 3 tossed to me by my company's Tech Pubs
> > manager back in 1991 or 1992. "They say this is better than PageMaker.
> > Check it out!" I was immediately sold on it and I didn't even work for
> his
> > department. They shifted over after they saw what I was doing with it.
> >
> > My personal purchased Windows from 1992 was for Windows and on disks.
> >
> > The suggestion to change Interleaf to FrameMaker is still operative when
> > running spellcheck in FM10, which is the version I happen to have on 
this
> > machine. It's probably still in there today. Why fix what ain't broken.
> >
> > Craig
> > 
> > Sed Zaeem Hosain said..
> >
> > For me, it was 1988 (FM version 3, I think?) on a Sun 3/50 (the one 
where
> > the B/W monitor was physically attached to the top of the computer
> chassis
> > pizza box).
> >
> > Peter, the first Windows version was FM 4, I think ... I beta tested it
> > for Frame Technology then. Came on floppy disks (I think I still have
> them
> > around here somewhere)!
> >
> > Side-bar for those who remember the competition: when you ran 
spell-check
> > in FM 3, it would correct the word "Interleaf" to "FrameMaker". :)
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