Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review
I'm having to do this now for multiple documents because I'm being laid off and the developers will be doing the documentation from now on, and they only use Word. It's something of a nightmare no matter which way you choose. If you export from PDF, the Word document will look close to identical, but there will be no styles applied. It'll all be modified "normal". If you export from Frame to RTF, you'll have styles, but the conversion isn't all that clean, particularly with tables. Still, if you do search and replace for each style, it'll get mostly cleaned up. If you have a Word template with the predefined using the same names as the Frame tags, importing it will (again mostly) fix things for you. I've chosen the export to from Frame to RTF, but it still takes time to make things presentable. On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Caroline Tabach <carol...@radcom.com> wrote: > Hi > Converting Frame to Word for review > What do you recommend > Export from PDF or Export from Frame? Version 2015 > > Caroline Tabach > Technical/Marcom Writer > T. +972-77-7745-042 > [cid:image003.png@01D276F7.663CB560]<http://www.radcom.com/> > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 3852 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers. > com/attachments/20170711/f988d709/attachment.png> > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review
Jeff, MIF2GO does have superior conversion to Word, but it does not, as far as I know, work with anything past Frame 12, and we're using Frame 2015. :( On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Jeff Coatsworth < jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > If the endpoint is back to FM, I'd skip the Word conversion & just use the > Review PDF capabilities. In Lin's case, it's all ending up in Word, so > doing the FM to PDF to Word route probably isn't the most ideal. Lin, what > about hooking up MIF2Go? Didn't it have a superior FM to Word conversion? > > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub.com@ > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach > Sent: July-11-17 8:37 AM > To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com' > Subject: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review > > Hi > Converting Frame to Word for review > What do you recommend > Export from PDF or Export from Frame? Version 2015 > > Caroline Tabach > Technical/Marcom Writer > T. +972-77-7745-042 > [cid:image003.png@01D276F7.663CB560]<http://www.radcom.com/> > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 3852 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers. > com/attachments/20170711/f988d709/attachment.png> > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review
Nope no access to FM12, plus I've used a feature not supported by FM12, namely conditional columns in multiple tables. I've gotten around the one file at a time by creating a new document and importing by copy each of the non-generated files in the books. Having the tag names come over to the RTF is more useful than having it look (almost but not quite) the same in Word as it does in the PDF. Plus (and I forgot to mention this), all our graphics are SVGs, which is NOT supported by Word, so they look horrible and are frequently out of place. The page breaks get a bit weird, too. As to the nightmare -- you have NO idea. I use the same set of files with a set of fairly complicated conditional expressions to generate 3 separate books in both an internal and external version, for a total of 6 PDFs. I now have to figure out how to create 6 separate Word files from these, and they are NOT small or simple files. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to finish the conversions before I leave. I feel bad for the designers/developers who will have to deal with these, since they will have to remember to update multiple files. Still, at the point it's their problem, not mine. I wish them luck. On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Steve Rickaby < srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote: > At 08:49 -0400 11/7/17, Lin Sims wrote: > > >I'm having to do this now for multiple documents because I'm being laid > off > >and the developers will be doing the documentation from now on, and they > >only use Word. It's something of a nightmare no matter which way you > choose. > > My sympathies. A nightmare for you, and a nightmare for them too, although > they probably don't know it yet ;-) > > If you still have access for a Frame 12 install, maybe Frame 15 -> Frame > 12 -> Mif2GO -> Word might be feasible for you? > > -- > Steve > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Is there a POD for Track Text Edits?
I don't know if these still work (they're from Frame8), but these are the keyboard shortcuts for the various track changes commands. Esc s t o Turn on or off the Track Text Edit feature Esc s t n Show Next Esc s t p Show Previous Esc s t a Accept Edit Esc s t r Reject Edit Esc s t Shft+a Accept All Esc s t Shft+r Reject All Esc s t Shft+f Preview Final Esc s t Shft+o Preview Original Esc s p o Preview Off On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com> wrote: > I'll be interested in this one as well. I put the icons in the "ribbon" > but that means I *have* to use the mouse. > > Alison > > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com@lists. > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:12 AM > To: FrameUsers List > Subject: [Framers] Is there a POD for Track Text Edits? > > I hate that I have to keep going back to the "File Edit Format View > Special" for the dropdown list that closes with each selection. > > -- > John Posada > Rock portfolio: http://www.actionremembered.com/musicportfolio > Twitter: @rockbandphotos > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists. > frameusers.com> > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com listad...@frameusers.com> > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] saveAs Mif Re: Framemaker 2017 save backwards
NFQw7o=LHTR8rT4B5TMOh1_ > FsDvQAlcjuAsW6e42MoHapDfEkg= > Archives located at https://urldefense.proofpoint. > com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.mail-2Darchive.com_framers- > 2540lists.frameusers.com_=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSM > J71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E= > hg03ROiR502RyEhxuNCvC5_iymXA466RBlZyMNFQw7o=3Wy-gNgY-JjMi_ > mMrU2G3lvrGYm0EivhqCI1ZGHiPY0= > Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.proofpoint. > com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.frameusers.com_listinfo.cgi_ > framers-2Dframeusers.com=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSM > J71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E= > hg03ROiR502RyEhxuNCvC5_iymXA466RBlZyMNFQw7o=6AvgGu- > 0cYSwnJTwb5sFBarQSWxyqlc843qN-QXAkDk= > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > _______ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters
You need to add one more level to the F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t. It should be F:< >< >*< >*<a+1>.\sn\t On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:10 PM, <tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote: > This one has me stumped, and I have to believe that there is a pretty > simple solution that I'm overlooking. > > I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. Level > 1 items are numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works > fine, as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list. > However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere, > such as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, the > ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c > (under 2), and 6. > > What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from > the last level 1 tag? > > For reference, here is what I have for tag coding. > > FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:< > >< ><n+>.\t > > > FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly under > the level 1 item: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t > > > > FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged > with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t > > > > > > Tom Beiswenger > Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation > > Emhart Glass Inc. > 74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA > Telephone 1 607 735 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779 > Fax +1 607 735 2601 > tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com > www.bucheremhartglass.com > www.bucherindustries.com > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 19607 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers. > com/attachments/20170628/6d4e9ca0/attachment.jpeg> > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters
In addition to Rick's videos, try running a search for FrameMaker autonumbering PDFs written by Dan Emory or Lester Smalley. Both provided excellent overviews and examples of setting up autonumbering from simple to pretty danged complex. They are out of date (chapter and section numbers came out years after they were written), but they're still good foundational documents. On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote: > Hi David, > > The letter-colon combination is called a series label. But in this case > you don't want to have a different series label for each format. When more > than one format has numbering that is related, they should have the same > series label. See my videos for details. > > Rick > > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro.com@lists. > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Spreadbury > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:28 PM > To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small > letters > > Try changing where you have F: to a different letter; F for the first one, > G for the secong, etc. Each numbering value should have it's own unique > character. There is a name for that character but it escapes me right now. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com< > tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote: This one has me stumped, and I > have to believe that there is a pretty > simple solution that I'm overlooking. > > I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. Level > 1 items are numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works > fine, as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list. > However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere, > such as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, the > ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c > (under 2), and 6. > > What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from > the last level 1 tag? > > For reference, here is what I have for tag coding. > > FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:< > >< ><n+>.\t > > > FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly under > the level 1 item: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t > > > > FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged > with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t > > > > > > Tom Beiswenger > Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation > > Emhart Glass Inc. > 74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA > Telephone 1 607 735 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779 > Fax +1 607 735 2601 > tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com > www.bucheremhartglass.com > www.bucherindustries.com > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 19607 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers. > com/attachments/20170628/6d4e9ca0/attachment.jpeg> > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Easy way to delete paragraph/character/table tags
Open the delete window and press Alt+E. On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Magee, Anne (INT) <anne.ma...@teledyne.com> wrote: > Is there an easy way to delete all paragraph, character, and table tags? > I have to clean out a lot of old files and I'm getting tired of repeatedly > clicking Delete. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Anne (lurker) > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Why do my ohm symbols keep turning into capital O?
Craig, The substitution is always a possibility, although why it would make a substitution when the font is installed is beyond me. I've just reinstalled it, on the theory that Windoze iz weird. By turning into, I meant that I type the ohm symbol by using the ASCII code (Alt+234) for it, and it displays as an ohm symbol. At some point afterwards, I reopen the file and discover it is no longer displaying as an ohm symbol, it is a capital O, and it copies and pastes into other programs as an O. Haven't tried applying a character tag to it, but if it happens again I may try the Symbol font. Although seriously, if it's Unicode it shouldn't be an issue. That's why we USE a Unicode font. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Craig Ede <craig...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I'm confused by the "turning into". Does it come in as an Omega and then > change later? Could it be that your installation is substituting a font for > Myriad Pro and you not be aware of it? > > > Craig > > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> > on behalf of Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:39 AM > To: dspre...@yahoo.com > Cc: Frame Users > Subject: Re: [Framers] Why do my ohm symbols keep turning into capital O? > > Yes, it does. It's a UNICODE font from Adobe. > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:25 AM, David Spreadbury <dspre...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Lin, > > Does Myriad Pro support the ohm symbol? > > You might need to create a CharTag that calls a font that does. > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Lin Sims > > <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I use the Alt+234 key sequence to insert Ω into my documents. Why do they > > keep turning into capital O? > > > > FrameMaker 12 > > Windows 7 > > Font: Myriad Pro > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site< > http://www.frameusers.com/> > www.frameusers.com > Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing > solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a > large and loyal ... > > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/> > www.mail-archive.com > The Mail Archive turns your mailing list into a searchable archive > > > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > lists.frameusers.com Mailing Lists<http://lists.frameusers.com/> > lists.frameusers.com > lists.frameusers.com Mailing Lists: The list overview page has been > disabled temporarily. There currently are no publicly-advertised Mailman > mailing lists on ... > > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site< > http://www.frameusers.com/> > www.frameusers.com > Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing > solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a > large and loyal ... > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > _______ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Why do my ohm symbols keep turning into capital O?
I haven't tried using the Frame character palette because I just discovered the issue, and I wasn't aware of the key sequences Robert mentions. I'll keep an eye on it and let y'all know if it happens again now that I've deinstalled/reinstalled the font. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote: > Have you tried Alt+2126 or Alt+3A9? > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I use the Alt+234 key sequence to insert Ω into my documents. Why do they > > keep turning into capital O? > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Why do my ohm symbols keep turning into capital O?
I use the Alt+234 key sequence to insert Ω into my documents. Why do they keep turning into capital O? FrameMaker 12 Windows 7 Font: Myriad Pro -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Why do my ohm symbols keep turning into capital O?
Yes, it does. It's a UNICODE font from Adobe. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:25 AM, David Spreadbury <dspre...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Lin, > Does Myriad Pro support the ohm symbol? > You might need to create a CharTag that calls a font that does. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Lin Sims > <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: > I use the Alt+234 key sequence to insert Ω into my documents. Why do they > keep turning into capital O? > > FrameMaker 12 > Windows 7 > Font: Myriad Pro > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] "Secret" Freeze Pagination Feature
Both the US military and the aircraft industry made extensive use of point
pages. I don't know if they still do.
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Hi Framers,
>
> Klaus Daube reminded me a few days ago, that there are some "secret"
> features in FrameMaker, that are still present in the product today, but
> are no longer in the UI nor documented, especially "Freeze pagination" and
> "Open Heroic". I'm currently going through them and discuss them with the
> product managers and documentation team.
>
> So, one of these "secret features" is "Freeze pagination": It's still
> present in FM 2017 and can be accessed with Esc-p-z.
>
> For those who do not know the feature: Let's say you have a 100-page
> document with one text flow. On the master page you have a footer with a
> page count variable (<$curpagenum>). Now you can "freeze pagination" which
> will disconnect all text frames (that is, you get 100 disconnected pages
> with a Text Flow "A"). Now you can add new disconnected pages between other
> pages (called "point pages"). Or if you are at the end of a page and add
> new content, a new page is added right next to the current page with a
> connect text frame to the previous page. The page number will show a "point
> page number" (e.g. when you add pages after page 7, they will be numbered
> as 7.1, 7.2 etc.).
> The idea of this feature back in the days was to create "revision pages"
> ("point pages").
>
> That said, I understand how the feature works, but in more than 20 years I
> have never used it myself (never had a use case for it) nor met anyone ever
> using it and all people I have asked in the last days who know this feature
> told me the same (never had a use case).
>
> My question to you:
> - Has anyone ever used this feature when it was still present in the UI
> many versions back?
> - Is anyone still using it?
> - What is the use case scenario that you can think of where it still might
> be useful?
>
> Your feedback will help us to have a new look at this feature and discuss
> what to do with it (bring it back to the UI and document it or keep it
> hidden or maybe even remove it).
>
> Looking forward to your feedback,
> Stefan Gentz
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
Do you want information for the Esc+ shortcuts, also? That's a more frequent problem. On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com> wrote: > Hi Klaus, > > thanks for filing in this as a bug. > > @all: Could you please put in your System Configuration (exact Windows > version / 32/64 bit) and other software (name, version) that you are using > that forces this behavior to occur in the bug report, that Klaus has > created: > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2325 > > Thanks! This will help us to investigate this further. > > Regards, > Stefan Gentz > Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Klaus Daube > Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 10:21 > To: Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net>; An email list for people using > Adobe FrameMaker software. <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop > > On 2 May 2017 at 14:36, Ken Poshedly wrote: > > > Folks, > > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all > > keyboard shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and > > all tasks must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. > > And it happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. > > (Well, you know what I mean.) > > > > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and > so forth. > > Ken, I have filed a bug FRMAKER-2325 stating that frequently all CTRL+xx > shortcuts do not work any more. On my system (W7 XP1, x64) this 'feature' > exists since about FM-11. I hoped it would go away with a fresh Windows > installation on a new laptop - but it did not. So it definetely must be > something with FrameMaker. > > I have even discovered that the following actions can trigger the fault: > - switch to another application (e.g. text editor) and back to FM > - switch to Pincackle Studio (a video editor) and back reproduceably > creates the fault. > > I have just added to that bug report: > «It seems that not only CTRL-xxx shortcuts are affected, but all Windows > specific short cuts (not the ESC sequences). See the lengthy lamento on > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%40lists. > frameusers.com%2Fmsg66590.html=02%7C01%7C% > 7C2cb85bf49ceb4a93990b08d491fd4e95%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293964506987225=b1Y9QEF9eHc8wf5NGC3zhEK% > 2FZvteUVaxEJHjB1hRJZM%3D=0 and following posts.» > > Klaus > ~~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:https://na01.safelinks. > protection.outlook.com/?url=www.daube.ch=02%7C01%7C% > 7C2cb85bf49ceb4a93990b08d491fd4e95%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293964506987225=C3p0Vy6nJvZYYjZur0nfOoekHnGwsw > 4trQgtAOkO86E%3D=0 > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.com=02%7C01%7C% > 7C2cb85bf49ceb4a93990b08d491fd4e95%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293964506987225=U1w9pbrJCtAFZPaLzAh7vkBH1hYAM6 > NNlocPbtlV0zE%3D=0 > Archives located at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists. > frameusers.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C2cb85bf49ceb4a93990b08d491fd4e95% > 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293964506987225=h% > 2Fg5vG7mQ03RG7byTwDiYRNusRMc1AtDBjWDqNVHxYs%3D=0 > Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://na01.safelinks. > protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers. > com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameusers.com=02%7C01%7C% > 7C2cb85bf49ceb4a93990b08d491fd4e95%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293964506987225=FlBzXXiFsTTXesuHKYI% > 2BC9N9ilzUaS5Jv%2FhTui4%2Bhxw%3D=0 > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims __
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
Wait, what? What sort of glitches with condition text? I ask because (as previously seen) I am making heavy use of conditions to create manuals and have had issues, but I thought it was MY fault. On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com> wrote: > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before > creating the final condition settings for manuals. > > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours > beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text. > > This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always > assumed there is some issue with memory. > > Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different > manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor. > > I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame > 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I > almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office). > > > Alison Craig > Technical Documentation Specialist > BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com@lists. > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:56 AM > To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' > Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop > > Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can > get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and > re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and > no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either. > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > 303-840-1744 (Mountain Time) > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc. > c...@lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:26 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > <framers@lists.frameusers.com><mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com%3e> > Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop > > Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the > keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about > instituting the new interface broke things. > > As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that > some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as > described by Ken. > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com > ><mailto:rob...@lauriston.com%3e> > wrote: > > > Upgrade to FrameMaker 8? > > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net>< > mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e> > > wrote: > > > Folks, > > > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all > > > keyboard > > shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks > > must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it > > happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, > > you know what I > > mean.) > > > > > > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM > > > and > > so forth. ... > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists. > frameusers.com> Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe > > and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com listad...@frameusers.com> > > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists. > frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com listad...@frameusers.com> > > __
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
We recently (as in the beginning of this year) upgraded to FM2015. I think I'm going to add Alison's checks / process to my final processing. I haven't had colors show up, but I have had issues with text that has conditional tags either showing up (or not showing up) inappropriately. And hope I remember what is supposed to be visible. I may have mentioned that this damned thing is VERY complicated, although I have, finally, gotten conditional expressions that control things properly and are actually fairly elegant (after having used the BFME method first). On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:28 PM, techcommtools.com <m...@techcommtools.com> wrote: > FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and Fm2017. > > And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed less > than the previous. > > I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16 Gb > memory. > > Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make > conditional text much more enjoyable. > > Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5, and > 6), things just work better. > > -Matt > > Matt R. Sullivan > Tech Comm Tools > > online courses <http://www.techcommtools.com/upcoming-courses/> | you > can book me <https://mattrsullivan.youcanbook.me/> > > FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content > <http://www.amazon.com/Publishing-Fundamentals- > Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books& > ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1> > C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com <mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com> > > <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan> > <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan>@mattrsullivan > <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan><http://www.linkedin.com/in/ > mattrsullivan> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan>LinkedIn < > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan><http://www.facebook.com/ > mattrsullivan> <http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>Facebook < > http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan> > > On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com> > wrote: > > > > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before > creating the final condition settings for manuals. > > > > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 > hours beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional > text. > > > > This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've > always assumed there is some issue with memory. > > > > Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different > manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor. > > > > I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy > Frame 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note > that I almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office). > > > > > > Alison Craig > > Technical Documentation Specialist > > BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
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Re: [Framers] Custom graphic as bullet
Ah, marketing. What would we do without them. The short answer is, you can't. At least not using the Character Designer and Paragraph Designer. A long while back Chris Despopoulos created a plugin called RefIcons, which sort of did what you want. It paired an anchored graphic with a paragraph tag. I think you had to use the palette each time to insert the new line. Checking his site, though, reveals that it's no longer available, but you might still ask him if it's available and works with whatever version of Frame you have. Or you can follow Robert's suggestion, which is probably simpler. On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:12 PM, <gill6...@comcast.net> wrote: > Frame Gurus! > > Using: > Unstructured Frame > TCS 2017 > > Our marketing department wants us to use a customized bullet. It's more of > a graphic, because it's not in the character palette. They use InDesign so > they inserted it as a graphic. They want us to use it as a bullet in all of > our bullet lists. > > So how do I make a customized bullet list with a customzed graphic? The > Character Designer does not allow for inserting a graphic to create a > bullet. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Gillian > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Crash with Internal Errors: 13054, 21985197, 21967009, 21686210
Anyone know what these errors refer to? I have a file that frequently crashes Frame, and this was the latest series of internal errors it gave me. I did do a MIF wash and noticed one odd thing: Frame has renamed the color Black to fm_gen_## when I save to the MIF file. If I edit those definitions back to Black in the MIF file and resave as Frame, the definitions stay the same in the MIF file, but Frame once more renames the color to fm_gen_## (different numbers this time). It also renames the color in one (but only one) of the condition tags it's used in. The file is a large one (18.4 Mb) and has 18 figures embedded in it (not my choice, but there is no choice), several of which are affected by conditions, 16 tables, conditions galore (18), and loads of cross-references. It's been giving me fits for several months now, to the point where I literally created a new Frame file and copied and pasted all the text as plain text and reformatted it, and reimported all the graphics. It behaved for about 2 months and is now crashing all over again. I expect to be working with this set of files daily for the next 6 months at least. I cannot afford to lose the time it takes to crash, recover, mif-wash, etc., etc., etc., that this is taking up. Suggestions gratefully (and exhaustedly) received. Pertinents: Windows 7, all patches applied FrameMaker 2015, latest patches applied Plugins: AutoText, TableCleaner (DLL, not script) 2 home-brewed scripts: save all files in book to selected MIF formats; add Table Continuation variable to all tables in a file -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Crash with Internal Errors: 13054, 21985197, 21967009, 21686210
Other fun stats: I have 104 crash log files since last July I had 14 crashes in 1 day this February So far today, I've had 3 crashes Seriously, this is getting OLD. And my nearby coworkers are gaining new "respect" for my ability to curse and swear. On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone know what these errors refer to? I have a file that frequently > crashes Frame, and this was the latest series of internal errors it gave me. > > I did do a MIF wash and noticed one odd thing: Frame has renamed the color > Black to fm_gen_## when I save to the MIF file. If I edit those > definitions back to Black in the MIF file and resave as Frame, the > definitions stay the same in the MIF file, but Frame once more renames the > color to fm_gen_## (different numbers this time). It also renames the > color in one (but only one) of the condition tags it's used in. > > The file is a large one (18.4 Mb) and has 18 figures embedded in it (not > my choice, but there is no choice), several of which are affected by > conditions, 16 tables, conditions galore (18), and loads of > cross-references. It's been giving me fits for several months now, to the > point where I literally created a new Frame file and copied and pasted all > the text as plain text and reformatted it, and reimported all the graphics. > It behaved for about 2 months and is now crashing all over again. > > I expect to be working with this set of files daily for the next 6 months > at least. I cannot afford to lose the time it takes to crash, recover, > mif-wash, etc., etc., etc., that this is taking up. > > Suggestions gratefully (and exhaustedly) received. > > Pertinents: > > Windows 7, all patches applied > FrameMaker 2015, latest patches applied > Plugins: AutoText, TableCleaner (DLL, not script) > 2 home-brewed scripts: save all files in book to selected MIF formats; add > Table Continuation variable to all tables in a file > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Crash with Internal Errors: 13054, 21985197, 21967009, 21686210
Bernard: All of the graphics are SVGs, created by Visio 2013. Frame has the same habit of adding colors to the catalog with them, too. Not sure if the rename (of only Black!) has any bearing, but it struck me as odd so I mentioned it. Robert: Not sure if removing the graphics would help, since the crashes are intermittent and I sort of need them to refer to while working. :( I was thinking of maybe removing them until I have to create a review or release, but the idea taking out and putting back in 18 figures (with an assortment of conditions) is making me cringe. On the other hand, that might be the only recourse. Sometimes I miss FM8. On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote: > What if you temporarily remove the 18 embedded figures? > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyone know what these errors refer to? I have a file that frequently > > crashes Frame, and this was the latest series of internal errors it gave > me. > > > > I did do a MIF wash and noticed one odd thing: Frame has renamed the > color > > Black to fm_gen_## when I save to the MIF file. If I edit those > > definitions back to Black in the MIF file and resave as Frame, the > > definitions stay the same in the MIF file, but Frame once more renames > the > > color to fm_gen_## (different numbers this time). It also renames the > > color in one (but only one) of the condition tags it's used in. > > > > The file is a large one (18.4 Mb) and has 18 figures embedded in it (not > my > > choice, but there is no choice), several of which are affected by > > conditions, 16 tables, conditions galore (18), and loads of > > cross-references. It's been giving me fits for several months now, to the > > point where I literally created a new Frame file and copied and pasted > all > > the text as plain text and reformatted it, and reimported all the > graphics. > > It behaved for about 2 months and is now crashing all over again. > > > > I expect to be working with this set of files daily for the next 6 months > > at least. I cannot afford to lose the time it takes to crash, recover, > > mif-wash, etc., etc., etc., that this is taking up. > > > > Suggestions gratefully (and exhaustedly) received. > > > > Pertinents: > > > > Windows 7, all patches applied > > FrameMaker 2015, latest patches applied > > Plugins: AutoText, TableCleaner (DLL, not script) > > 2 home-brewed scripts: save all files in book to selected MIF formats; > add > > Table Continuation variable to all tables in a file > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Crash with Internal Errors: 13054, 21985197, 21967009, 21686210
Corporate standard (and, I think, our CMS) requires use of SVGs, partially because it lets people search for text in the graphic once the PDF is created. Those of us not working in DITA embed graphics because (again) it's a corporate standard based on the fact that we don't share files across servers/directories, so referring to them is a non-starter. Alison, that sounds like it's a "might work". I'll have to explore that. Thanks! And I just realized I forgot to provide what may be a very pertinent piece of info. The crash ONLY happens when I'm saving the file as part of a "Save all Files in Book" operation. None of the other files trigger this, and a couple are even larger. One of my "workarounds" is to save the other files first and then save the problem file. That will often work for a bit, but it's a PITA not being able to use the book-based save all. On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com> wrote: > Instead of simply removing the 18 files, save just the current FM file > under another name then remove everything from the new file except the > images. > > Then remove them from your working file. > > That way, the images will maintain their Conditions and you *should* just > be able to copy each one back in to its repsective place, without any > hassle (any *further* hassle?). > > FYI: I used to save Visio files to PDFs but now I save them to WMF. > Neither format has ever caused any problems. > > Alison Craig > Technical Documentation Specialist > BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com@lists. > frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:02 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] Crash with Internal Errors: 13054, 21985197, > 21967009, 21686210 > > Bernard: All of the graphics are SVGs, created by Visio 2013. Frame has the > same habit of adding colors to the catalog with them, too. Not sure if the > rename (of only Black!) has any bearing, but it struck me as odd so I > mentioned it. > > Robert: Not sure if removing the graphics would help, since the crashes are > intermittent and I sort of need them to refer to while working. :( > > I was thinking of maybe removing them until I have to create a review or > release, but the idea taking out and putting back in 18 figures (with an > assortment of conditions) is making me cringe. > > On the other hand, that might be the only recourse. Sometimes I miss FM8. > > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com > ><mailto:rob...@lauriston.com%3e> > wrote: > > > What if you temporarily remove the 18 embedded figures? > > > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> ljsims...@gmail.com%3e> wrote: > > > Anyone know what these errors refer to? I have a file that frequently > > > crashes Frame, and this was the latest series of internal errors it > gave > > me. > > > > > > I did do a MIF wash and noticed one odd thing: Frame has renamed the > > color > > > Black to fm_gen_## when I save to the MIF file. If I edit those > > > definitions back to Black in the MIF file and resave as Frame, the > > > definitions stay the same in the MIF file, but Frame once more renames > > the > > > color to fm_gen_## (different numbers this time). It also renames > the > > > color in one (but only one) of the condition tags it's used in. > > > > > > The file is a large one (18.4 Mb) and has 18 figures embedded in it > (not > > my > > > choice, but there is no choice), several of which are affected by > > > conditions, 16 tables, conditions galore (18), and loads of > > > cross-references. It's been giving me fits for several months now, to > the > > > point where I literally created a new Frame file and copied and pasted > > all > > > the text as plain text and reformatted it, and reimported all the > > graphics. > > > It behaved for about 2 months and is now crashing all over again. > > > > > > I expect to be working with this set of files daily for the next 6 > months > > > at least. I cannot afford to lose the time it takes to crash, recover, > > > mif-wash, etc., etc., etc., that this is taking up. > > > > > > Suggestions gratefully (and exhaustedly) received. > > > > > > Pertinents: > > > > > > Windows 7, all patches applied > > > FrameMaker 2015, latest patches applied > > > Plugins: AutoText, TableCleaner (DLL, not sc
Re: [Framers] Search for text + tag?
We know Adobe people monitor this list. Perhaps they've already made note? On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography> wrote: > This is one of those knotty complexities of language that have fascinated > technical writers since those early scribes who wrote "Lorem Ipsum." > > I think she wants to keep the text unchanged, but does want to change the > paragraph format of some paragraphs in which the text can be found with > Edit > Find/Change. > > It's not just this particular need that identifies a long-time shortcoming > of FM's Find/Change feature, namely that it can't refer to the clipboard > for more than one instruction. Probably, it was also designed in the era of > those ancient scribes. > > While MS Word's Find/Change may be smarter than FM's, it's interesting to > note that Adobe already owns a powerful and versatile Find/Change feature > in InDesign. > > Also, included with InDesign is a Find/Change by List script that increases > its power, through the use of repeated searches executed by one click. For > example, a user can create a list of target paragraph tags (AKA "formats" > in FM, "styles" in ID,) to find and change those in which the target text > resides. For lots of info on this ID script, search Google for "find change > by list" with and without quotes (some different results.) > > Perhaps someone on this list would like to write up and submit a product > enhancement request for upgrading FM's Find/Change abilities to equal those > of InDesign here: > https://forums.adobe.com/community/framemaker/framemaker_feature_requests? > view=overview > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 2:16 AM, Shmuel Wolfson <shmue...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > She does want to change the text string in a paragraph tagged *with a > > specific format*, without having to keep an eye on the lower-left corner > > of the status bar. > > > > This is an important feature in Word that is missing in FM. > > > > -- > > > > On 22-Jun-17 1:18 AM, Peter Gold wrote: > > > > *"Now, if you only want to change only those instances of the text > string in > > a paragraph that tagged with a specific format, not all instances of the > > text string in all paragraphs, then you'll need to keep your eye on the > > lower-left corner of the status bar, or the Paragraph Designer, to > observe > > the name of the currently-selected paragraph format. Click Change by > > Pasting to apply the tag from the clipboard to the current paragraph, > then > > Find Next."* > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Crash with Internal Errors: 13054, 21985197, 21967009, 21686210
It happens on both, actually. The last 6 months or so I've been working on my local drive because the network drive server is now remote instead of on-site and the lag was really annoying. At least it wasn't bouncing. On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Alan Houser <a...@groupwellesley.com> wrote: > Just to mention a possibility ... FrameMaker is rather intolerant of > network latency. If you are saving to any sort of networked drive (even a > Dropbox folder), try saving to a local drive. > > I've had more than one client drastically reduce random FrameMaker crashes > by moving from network to local file storage. > > -Alan > > > On 5/18/17 7:55 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > >> Corporate standard (and, I think, our CMS) requires use of SVGs, partially >> because it lets people search for text in the graphic once the PDF is >> created. Those of us not working in DITA embed graphics because (again) >> it's a corporate standard based on the fact that we don't share files >> across servers/directories, so referring to them is a non-starter. >> >> Alison, that sounds like it's a "might work". I'll have to explore that. >> Thanks! >> >> And I just realized I forgot to provide what may be a very pertinent piece >> of info. The crash ONLY happens when I'm saving the file as part of a >> "Save >> all Files in Book" operation. None of the other files trigger this, and a >> couple are even larger. One of my "workarounds" is to save the other files >> first and then save the problem file. That will often work for a bit, but >> it's a PITA not being able to use the book-based save all. >> >> >> > > -- > Alan Houser > Group Wellesley, Inc. > Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing > arh on Twitter > 412-450-0532 > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT: Comment statuses when editing in Adobe Acrobat Pro
You could always go to the Adobe suggested features site and ask for it. ;-) On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Tammy Van Boening < tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > Yea, bummer, that's what I thought, but it was worth a shot. > > Thanks! > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com > 303-840-1755 > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc. > c...@lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 5:57 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Comment statuses when editing in Adobe Acrobat > Pro > > I am by no means an Acrobat guru, but as far as I know, there's no way to > add a status type. Maybe you could use Accepted (which everyone who opens > the PDF could see) or a checkmark (which will only show for you)? > > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Tammy Van Boening < > tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > > > Adobe Acrobat Pro XI. I am working my way through a myriad of edits > > supplied by an engineer who mixed in inappropriate copy edits w/ the > > necessary technical edits. Oh joy . . . not. As I work my way > > through, I am setting the status of each comment and I am adding a reply > where needed. > > One status that I would very much like to be able to set some of these > > edits to is "In Progress" as for the valid technical edits, some of > > them must wait until a bug is fixed and the new version of SW is > > available. Is there a way to add this as an option? Right now, the > > "default" options of Reject, Cancelled, and Completed are OK for some > > situations (especially Rejected!) but an In Progress would really help > > for tracking purposes. Right now, I am simply adding a reply of "In > > Progress, " but it would be so much simpler to have this as a status > > option. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > TVB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > > > Owner/Principal > > > > Spectrum Writing, LLC > > > > Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > > 303-840-1755 > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe > > and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Why do my ohm symbols keep turning into capital O?
Hmmm. ASCII was the wrong word. Apparently, I wanted ANSI. Sorry about the confusion. Alt+234 (not 0234) on the numeric keypad is the correct shortcut in both FrameMaker and other Windows programs for inserting the ohm character into text. I've used the same key sequence in Word, and PowerPoint. Interestingly, while it doesn't work in Notetab Lite, it does work in Notepad++. Go figure. Yes, I know that the ohm symbol is a capital omega. I happen to work in the circuit design industry, so ohms are rather on my mind. :) Even more interestingly, reinstalling the Myriad/Myriad Pro font set seems to have resolved the issue. I hate not knowing why something's gone wrong, but as long as it is now going correctly, I'll refrain from looking the gift horse in the mouth. Too many other things to handle! On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:08 PM, shuttie27 <shutti...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Lin. A few thoughts that may go some of the way to clearing up the > mystery. Forgive me if these are already familiar to you.1. What you call > the ohm symbol is actually the Greek capital omega.2. Adobe Myriad Pro does > indeed include a glyph for this as well as other Greek capitals.3. However, > ASCII 0234 is not a capital omega. In fact the ASCII table contains no > Greek letters at all. ASCII 0234 is an e with a circumflex accent.4. The > Unicode code for capital omega is, as Rob said, U3A9. > All these being so, I would try inserting the correct code using the > character palette and see what happens then. > Seems to me the real mystery is why Alt 0234 inserts an omega in the first > place! > Hope this helps somewhat. > Roger > > > Sent from my tablet. > Original message From: Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> > Date: 28/04/2017 16:20 (GMT+00:00) To: Frame Users < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: [Framers] Why do my ohm symbols > keep turning into capital O? > I use the Alt+234 key sequence to insert Ω into my documents. Why do they > keep turning into capital O? > > FrameMaker 12 > Windows 7 > Font: Myriad Pro > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
The only commonality I've seen is FrameMaker from version 9 on up, which was when the interface was redesigned. I've seen numerous gripes since that time that the new coding had broken some of the keyboard shortcuts, but it used to be restricted to just the UNIX carryovers. Recently,I've actually had mine break on Ctrl+C, and that since upgrading to FrameMaker 2015. At this point, I don't even ask why. I just grumble about how FM used to be the most stable program I'd ever used, and restart the program. I haven't had to reboot to fix this. Yet. On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography> wrote: > Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences: > > It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow. > > In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver > issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input > devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is > it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys > or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the > issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when > substituting a different keyboard? > > In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like > font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons? > > System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and > other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics > tablet sensitivity settings? > > HTH. > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We recently (as in the beginning of this year) upgraded to FM2015. > > > > I think I'm going to add Alison's checks / process to my final > processing. > > I haven't had colors show up, but I have had issues with text that has > > conditional tags either showing up (or not showing up) inappropriately. > > > > And hope I remember what is supposed to be visible. I may have mentioned > > that this damned thing is VERY complicated, although I have, finally, > > gotten conditional expressions that control things properly and are > > actually fairly elegant (after having used the BFME method first). > > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:28 PM, techcommtools.com < > m...@techcommtools.com> > > wrote: > > > > > FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and > Fm2017. > > > > > > And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed > > less > > > than the previous. > > > > > > I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16 > Gb > > > memory. > > > > > > Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make > > > conditional text much more enjoyable. > > > > > > Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5, > > and > > > 6), things just work better. > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > Matt R. Sullivan > > > Tech Comm Tools > > > > > > online courses <http://www.techcommtools.com/upcoming-courses/> | > you > > > can book me <https://mattrsullivan.youcanbook.me/> > > > > > > FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Publishing-Fundamentals- > > > Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books& > > > ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1> > > > C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com m...@mattrsullivan.com> > > > > > > <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan> <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan > > >@mattrsullivan > > > <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan><http://www.linkedin.com/in/ > > > mattrsullivan> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan>LinkedIn < > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan><http://www.facebook.com/ > > > mattrsullivan> <http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>Facebook < > > > http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan> > > > > On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before > > > creating the final condition settings for manuals. > > > > > > > > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 > > > hours beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches"
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about instituting the new interface broke things. As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as described by Ken. On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote: > Upgrade to FrameMaker 8? > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > Folks, > > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard > shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must > be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened > again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I > mean.) > > > > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and > so forth. ... > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT: Comment statuses when editing in Adobe Acrobat Pro
I am by no means an Acrobat guru, but as far as I know, there's no way to add a status type. Maybe you could use Accepted (which everyone who opens the PDF could see) or a checkmark (which will only show for you)? On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Tammy Van Boening < tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > Adobe Acrobat Pro XI. I am working my way through a myriad of edits > supplied by an engineer who mixed in inappropriate copy edits w/ the > necessary technical edits. Oh joy . . . not. As I work my way through, I > am setting the status of each comment and I am adding a reply where needed. > One status that I would very much like to be able to set some of these > edits > to is "In Progress" as for the valid technical edits, some of them must > wait > until a bug is fixed and the new version of SW is available. Is there a way > to add this as an option? Right now, the "default" options of Reject, > Cancelled, and Completed are OK for some situations (especially Rejected!) > but an In Progress would really help for tracking purposes. Right now, I am > simply adding a reply of "In Progress, " but it would be so much simpler to > have this as a status option. > > > > TIA, > > > > TVB > > > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Owner/Principal > > Spectrum Writing, LLC > > Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com > > 303-840-1755 > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker install without Distiller?
I was afraid of that. Oh, well. Now I just have to wait for the IT service company to call, since they're the ones with the Acrobat software. On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Jeff Coatsworth < jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > Hmm. you may have to set a Restore Point and go ahead & accept the > Distiller part and see if it's smart enough to recognize that you have the > full Pro version already installed. Then if worse comes to worse, you could > try uninstalling Acrobat & reinstalling it, while still having a stable > start point to roll back to. > > > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub.com@ > lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> > Sent: May 4, 2018 2:28 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker install without Distiller? > > I'm trying to use the customize option. It won't let me deselect the > Distiller. > > On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Jeff Coatsworth < > jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > > > IIRC there's a customize option to allow you to pick only the FM install > > part. > > > > > > ____ > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub.com@ > > lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> > > Sent: May 4, 2018 2:17 PM > > To: Frame Users > > Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker install without Distiller? > > > > My employer has purchased a Frame license for me (yay!), but the > > installation program won't let me install FrameMaker without the Adobe > > Acrobat Distiller. Which is to say that Distiller is a component > underneath > > FrameMaker, and if I deselect it, the installer also deselects FM, and > if I > > then select FM, it selects Distiller with no input from me. > > > > I already have Acrobat Pro on here, I don't want to mess that up as I > know > > can happen when you install the headless version that comes with Frame. > > > > What magic do I perform to NOT install Distiller while installing FM? > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > _______ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] FrameMaker install without Distiller?
My employer has purchased a Frame license for me (yay!), but the installation program won't let me install FrameMaker without the Adobe Acrobat Distiller. Which is to say that Distiller is a component underneath FrameMaker, and if I deselect it, the installer also deselects FM, and if I then select FM, it selects Distiller with no input from me. I already have Acrobat Pro on here, I don't want to mess that up as I know can happen when you install the headless version that comes with Frame. What magic do I perform to NOT install Distiller while installing FM? -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker install without Distiller?
I'm trying to use the customize option. It won't let me deselect the Distiller. On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Jeff Coatsworth < jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > IIRC there's a customize option to allow you to pick only the FM install > part. > > > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub.com@ > lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> > Sent: May 4, 2018 2:17 PM > To: Frame Users > Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker install without Distiller? > > My employer has purchased a Frame license for me (yay!), but the > installation program won't let me install FrameMaker without the Adobe > Acrobat Distiller. Which is to say that Distiller is a component underneath > FrameMaker, and if I deselect it, the installer also deselects FM, and if I > then select FM, it selects Distiller with no input from me. > > I already have Acrobat Pro on here, I don't want to mess that up as I know > can happen when you install the headless version that comes with Frame. > > What magic do I perform to NOT install Distiller while installing FM? > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker install without Distiller?
I ran the install with admin rights. Clicking FrameMaker to customize the installation shows FrameMaker and then Distiller as a subcomponent, each with selected checkboxes. If I deselect Distiller, FrameMaker gets deselected also. If I select FrameMaker, Distiller is reselected. I already have Acrobat Pro on the computer and I need it for my job, so I am less than happy with the installation behaviour. I've also never seen the installer act like that before, and I've been working with Frame since 5.5.2. I actually haven't installed it yet, since I'll need our IT company to reinstall Acrobat Pro immediately and that will now not be happening until Monday. On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Heiko Haida <i...@heiko-haida.de> wrote: > Well, I never had problems to deselect the Distiller plugin, this sounds > strange. Do you have all the necessary admin rights? > > It is not advisable to install the Distiller plugin together with an > existing regular Acrobat, which will be efficiently removed or > deactivated -- very annoying esp. when further plugins are installed > with it (like PitStop etc.). > I made this mistake only once. > > Of course, maybe you are more the Adobe Reader type, but I like the > option to "work" with PDF files. > > Best regards -- Tino H.Haida, Berlin > > Art Campbell: > > > Unless you want to mess with the innards, it's easiest and best just to > > install FM with the defaults. You're more likely to F* up something > trying > > to second guess the installer and not install the Distiller than you are > > following the KISS principle. > > > > If Acrobat is set as your default printer, as it should be, it will be > > used. > > > > Just get in the habit of using the Print command. > > > > Art Campbell > > art.campb...@gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No disclaimers apply. > > DoD 358 > > > > On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> My employer has purchased a Frame license for me (yay!), but the > >> installation program won't let me install FrameMaker without the Adobe > >> Acrobat Distiller. Which is to say that Distiller is a component > underneath > >> FrameMaker, and if I deselect it, the installer also deselects FM, and > if I > >> then select FM, it selects Distiller with no input from me. > >> > >> I already have Acrobat Pro on here, I don't want to mess that up as I > know > >> can happen when you install the headless version that comes with Frame. > >> > >> What magic do I perform to NOT install Distiller while installing FM? > >> > >> -- > >> Lin Sims > >> ___ > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Page X of Y, redux, except not quite
So here I am at the new job, and we're setting up FM templates. My coworker, who has established the house styles/layouts, had set up the old Word template with X of Y numbering, EXCEPT - Page numbering for the body of the document, which is to say after all the front matter, (X) starts at 1. - Total page count (Y) does NOT include all the front matter (Cover, Inside Cover, RevisionHistory, TOC) or the Back Cover. Creating X is easy-peazy, of course. But how to create Y? [This may be something Word has over Frame, because in Word I was able to set up a formula in the field code to calculate what Y would be and it was all nicely automated. I've never come across something like that for Frame. And I cannot believe I'm saying that Word does something better than Frame ...] I've come up with two workarounds. One is described in the Adobe forums and consists of inserting the <$lastpagenum> building block on the virtual "last page" and then xrefing to it from all the master pages that have X of Y in their footer frames. The other is to set up a new variable (of Y), manually updating its value to the last page number right before release, and importing variables to the other files in the book. Both of these are doable but (to me) clunky and inelegant. Is there a better way already available? Because if not, I foresee me spending a considerable amount of time learning javascript then extendscript in the hopes that I can figure one out. I like my coworker, but he does NOT make things simple for me. ;-) -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Page X of Y, redux, except not quite
Rick Quattro contact me offlist about this issue. I now have a brand-spanky-new script that does exactly what I need, all neatly wrapped in a menu option. As always, Rick comes through with elegant and very fast solutions. Thanks Rick. On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: > So here I am at the new job, and we're setting up FM templates. My > coworker, who has established the house styles/layouts, had set up the old > Word template with X of Y numbering, EXCEPT > >- Page numbering for the body of the document, which is to say after >all the front matter, (X) starts at 1. >- Total page count (Y) does NOT include all the front matter (Cover, >Inside Cover, RevisionHistory, TOC) or the Back Cover. > > Creating X is easy-peazy, of course. But how to create Y? > > [This may be something Word has over Frame, because in Word I was able to > set up a formula in the field code to calculate what Y would be and it was > all nicely automated. I've never come across something like that for Frame. > And I cannot believe I'm saying that Word does something better than Frame > ...] > > I've come up with two workarounds. > > One is described in the Adobe forums and consists of inserting the > <$lastpagenum> building block on the virtual "last page" and then xrefing > to it from all the master pages that have X of Y in their footer frames. > > The other is to set up a new variable (of Y), manually updating its value > to the last page number right before release, and importing variables to > the other files in the book. > > Both of these are doable but (to me) clunky and inelegant. Is there a > better way already available? Because if not, I foresee me spending a > considerable amount of time learning javascript then extendscript in the > hopes that I can figure one out. > > I like my coworker, but he does NOT make things simple for me. ;-) > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Data in Footer
A LEP is a list of effective pages. I think Leximation has a plugin that can help with that. I'm not sure I understand the rest of it, but it sounds to me as if you could use variables for the "TA number, page #, revision # & date", couldn't you, and then just use the variables you need in the Running H/F and in the text? On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Shmuel Wolfson <shmue...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't really understand your requirement very well and I don't > understand what you doing now. Could you please explain it again? Also, > what's a LEP? > > Why can't you just insert variables in the header/footer? Than you could > add those variables to a template, remove all other variables from the > template, edit the variables for each book and import the variables from > the template. > > Shmuel Wolfson > > > On 15-May-18 3:22 PM, julie.sigr...@airbornemx.com wrote: > >> I am using 2017 unstructured FrameMaker to produce an Aircraft Maintenance >> Manual Supplement which is currently in Word. At the bottom of each page >> needs to be an ATA number, page #, revision # & date, and effectivity >> code. I initially set these up as running headers on the master page and >> used markers on the body page to fill in the information. However, I would >> like to use this information to run a TOC and LEP, but seem unable to when >> text frames are on the master pages. >> >> Could some one suggest a productive and efficient way to set up this type >> of a scenario? I've been using unstructured Framemaker for 10 years but >> these aviation manuals I've recently been tasked with (AMM, IPC, etc.) are >> more complex than the internal procedures manuals I've been doing and >> would appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Thanks >> >> Julie A. Sigrist >> Quality Assurance >> Airborne Maintenance and Engineering Services, Inc. >> (937) 366-2482 (Direct) >> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr >> amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li >> stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> >> > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Data in Footer
I was wrong, by the way. It's not Leximation that has an LEP plugin, it's Silicon Prairie. https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Jack DeLand <jackdel...@comcast.net> wrote: > LEP = list of effective pages, I would guess. > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] AUGH! I hate it when Adobe breaks existing behavior
Log some bugs at Adobe. :D And yes, it is annoying when they break something in the process of adding new features or changing the design. I got very accustomed to using ESC keyboard shortcuts in FM, and when I finally had a job with FM 10, I was annoyed to discover that some of them didn't work anymore, such as the codes for moving up and down rows in a table. On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu> wrote: > Pardon me for the rant, but I need to vent. > > I just recently upgraded from Frame 2012 to Frame 2017 as the former > doesn't work at all with high resolution displays. However, in the process > I've discovered that Adobe has broken several things... and there's nothing > more annoying than lazy programming. > > 1. The interface design industry has become so touch and mouse-centric, > that it has forgotten to make sure things work when navigating via > keyboard. When they redesigned all of the pods, no one bothered to make > sure the fields and controls are in proper tab order so that one can move > between them efficiently by using TAB and Alt-TAB. That's my preferred > method of quick access. The tab order jumps all around the damned pods; up, > down, back, there's no rhyme or reason. That's just lazy developers > ignoring tab order attributes in their dev environment. > > 2. This one REALLY is annoying and is causing me all sorts of problems. > Using HOME or END to jump to the beginning or end of a line USED to work > correctly, meaning that it would move you to the actual beginning or end, > i.e., at the beginning of the line the cursor would be placed before any > markers or anchors and at the end of a line the cursor would be placed > after any markers or anchors at the end of the line. That has changed so > that using HOME and END now only move you to the VISUAL beginning or ends > of lines. In other words, hitting HOME on a line that has markers or > anchored objects at the beginning of the line will put the cursor BETWEEN > the markers and the first text character, and at the end of the line, the > cursor will be placed before any markers or anchors. This makes it very > difficult to keep invisible stacked items on the lines they should be when > editing. > > What possible advantage would this change have over the previous behavior? > > Annoyed at careless software developers, > > -Dan > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Numbered headings in TOC
Can you provide the autonumbering from the heading tags? Not the TOC tags, but the ones used in the document. On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Gillian Flato <gill6...@comcast.net> wrote: > My headings throughout my guide are numbered. I want the numbering to > reflect in the TOC. I have the numbering working after the chapter number > but not for the chapter number. > > So what I mean is that in the TOC I have the following: > > 1 Chapter 1 > 1.1 Heading 1 > 1.1.1 Heading 2 > 1.1.1.1 Heading 3 > > 2 Chapter 2 > 1.1 Heading 1 > 1.1.1 Heading 2 > 1.1.1.1 Heading 3 > > So within each chapter in the guide, the numbering is perfect but in the > TOC, it doesn’t recognize the proper chapter number. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Gillian > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes
Alas, that does not work. This is part of the bug. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Pat Christenson < pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote: > Go to Format > Document > Text Options. > > In Allow Breaks After, the four characters (default) are slash, hyphen, en > dash, and em dash. Delete the ones you don't want and click Apply. > > Pat > > -Original Message- > From: Framers lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 9:33 PM > To: Frame Users > Subject: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes > > Used to be if you put an en dash in front of something with no space > between, the en dash would stick to the something if it wrapped to the next > line. > > It doesn't do that anymore, which is bad for me as I use it instead of a > hyphen to indicate negative numbers. This has been reported as a bug to > Adobe, but until they fix it (soon? please?), is there a *trivial > *solution/workaround? > (By trivial, I mean minimal number of steps and time involved.) > > For those interested, the bug is here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forums. > adobe.com_thread_2459590=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSM > J71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_ > 6iaUj61_E=wS8Uzgp26eH0sGxyH-wptBNm9fq7MFGbEWHPSv4aYQc= > 92p1y35BDyREoi_33E-4NFXP2QtoojAB7Nvn5R4ZDbU= > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www. > frameusers.com=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSM > J71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_ > 6iaUj61_E=wS8Uzgp26eH0sGxyH-wptBNm9fq7MFGbEWHPSv4aYQc= > OS8gPZBoDw4FB8h0oc1SFgxgbWuUn0HZy6YZ7_OnYyQ= > Archives located at https://urldefense.proofpoint. > com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.mail-2Darchive.com_framers- > 2540lists.frameusers.com_=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSM > J71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_ > 6iaUj61_E=wS8Uzgp26eH0sGxyH-wptBNm9fq7MFGbEWHPSv4aYQc= > QzAC1GepX4R3OM83rEOe9mIx1Ez0bx3kP3lKHIs4ZJY= > Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.proofpoint. > com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.frameusers.com_listinfo.cgi_ > framers-2Dframeusers.com=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSM > J71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_ > 6iaUj61_E=wS8Uzgp26eH0sGxyH-wptBNm9fq7MFGbEWHPSv4aYQc= > hvPc238QEzeLrbjVYc52Gf1JTtxlPYocosk0C8J4sg4= > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes
Used to be if you put an en dash in front of something with no space between, the en dash would stick to the something if it wrapped to the next line. It doesn't do that anymore, which is bad for me as I use it instead of a hyphen to indicate negative numbers. This has been reported as a bug to Adobe, but until they fix it (soon? please?), is there a *trivial *solution/workaround? (By trivial, I mean minimal number of steps and time involved.) For those interested, the bug is here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2459590 -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously
You can use conditional text to do this, but you have to be very careful with tagging the conditional text. I've done this with a very, very complicated documentation set: 3 main platforms with between 2-4 versions each, with internal and external conditions on top of that. There are two ways to approach this: One is to have only one condition applied to any text. This has the disadvantage of requiring duplication of text if you have identical text in, say, two versions of the document but not in a third, and you also have to have a separate condition for each possible output. It has the advantage that you only have to turn on one condition to see a particular document, which simplifies creating output enormously. The other is to layer conditions on text that appears in multiple versions of the document. This has the advantage of having the text in the document only once, which cuts down on updating that information for multiple versions of a document. It has the disadvantage of requiring the use of Frame's conditional expression builder, and this can get hairy depending on the number of conditions and outputs you have. I've done this (see above), but it took me a while to work out how. At some point, I'll have to finish my write-up of how to create conditional expressions, since Frame's documentation on this is minimal. I got a LOT of help from this list, though, so if I have time over the next couple of nights I'll try to finish that write up and share it with people. On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:52 AM, Caroline Tabach <caroline.tab...@gmail.com> wrote: > Caroline Tabach > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Caroline Tabach <caroline.tab...@gmail.com> > Date: יום ג׳, 1 במאי 2018, 16:23 > Subject: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously > To: techsho...@yahoogroups.com <techsho...@yahoogroups.com> > > > Hi > > I have been asked what SW writing tool can manage versions. > > At first I thought "version control" like you have in Software, but I found > they meant maintaining multiple versions of the User guides at the same > time. > > For instance, even when SW version 4 is released we will still have to > update and maintain SW version 3, as features are added and developed. > > Some things in these versions are totally different, and some are the same > and need to be updated in the same way in both guides. > > I was asked if there is a magic writing tool that does this. > > I think we could use conditional text in FrameMaker to do this, but in the > end it is the writer who must set it up and manage it. > > Do other people encounter this scenario? > What do you do? > > Any input or ideas? > > thanks > > -- > Caroline Tabach > Technical/Marcom Writer > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Using Folders and Groups
Has anyone here used folders and groups in their unstructured books? Is there any information out there on the how and when and why of using them, or when one is better used than the other? So far all I've found is the brief and pretty detail-less how to in Adobe's help files, and I want more in-depth information. I'm working on a book right now where I *think *using folders would be useful (long chapter, trying to chunk so I can keep straight what information is where and the like, because two of those sections are nearly identical except for a few words and I want to keep them identical but there are edits and additions and you know the drill), but I'm not sure if it would be or how to set it up properly and, frankly, I'm not up to trial-and-erroring today until I get it. -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Color and scaling for icons
A number of you may remember that when FM2017 came out, they removed the option to have colored and/or large icons on the toolbar. I filed a bug report/feature request that lots of you voted on. I just checked back, and it's being listed as "fixed" but no details. Since the last update didn't put the option back (and altering the maker.ini file didn't work), does anyone know if this means that Adobe decided to call leave things as-is and called it fixed and closed it because they don't intend to change it, or are they putting the option back and there'll be an update sometime to 2017 and/or the next version of FrameMaker? Bug is here, for those curious: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449 -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Using Folders and Groups
One of the things I'd like to know is if it is possible to have everything in a folder print to PDF as if it were a single chapter. That is to say, I don't want each file in a folder (or group) to start on its own page. The Adobe help doesn't address this. I'm betting the answer is "you can't do that", but I figured I'd ask. On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Doug wrote: > I use them, though I'm not sure how useful they are. I just started using > Frame 2017 after a long absence...I last used version 7. I do like how you > can collapse the folders/groups, though. > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > Has anyone here used folders and groups in their unstructured books? Is > > there any information out there on the how and when and why of using > them, > > or when one is better used than the other? > > > > So far all I've found is the brief and pretty detail-less how to in > Adobe's > > help files, and I want more in-depth information. > > > > I'm working on a book right now where I *think *using folders would be > > useful (long chapter, trying to chunk so I can keep straight what > > information is where and the like, because two of those sections are > nearly > > identical except for a few words and I want to keep them identical but > > there are edits and additions and you know the drill), but I'm not sure > if > > it would be or how to set it up properly and, frankly, I'm not up to > > trial-and-erroring today until I get it. > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Small caps in paragraph numbering
OH! OK, I see what you mean. You're right, small caps doesn't affect capital letters, only lowercase, and as far as I know that's how it's always been since the idea was to substitute the lowercase glyphs with glyphs that resembled the uppercase letters at a lower height and lighter weight. On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Doug wrote: > The problem is Small Caps doesn't work at all if the character was > uppercase to begin with. IMO it's a design flaw in the Small Caps concept, > but that's just me. Small Caps won't work unless the text is lowercase. > And setting the chapter number to capital letters makes the variable hold > an uppercase value. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > You're using <$chapnum>? I admit that I haven't been using the special > > counters in anything, but while it should take its value from the > numbering > > properties of the document, set in either the document itself or the > > bookfile, it's formatting should still be controlled by the Numbering tab > > for the paragraph tag. > > > > In any case, how is what you're doing using a character tag to set the > font > > to all caps but 2 points smaller different from using a character tag to > > set the font to small caps? Maybe I'm missing something, but to me it > > sounds like we're both applying a character tag on the Numbering tab. > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Doug wrote: > > > > > I think the problem is that the autonumber is set by the Chapter Number > > and > > > in this case it's set to capital letters (since it's an appendix). I > > > suppose I could set the numbering to lowercase letters but that would > > cause > > > problems elsewhere. > > > > > > The best workaround I've found is to define a character format that > > changes > > > the font to uppercase while reducing font size by 2 points, which has > the > > > same net effect. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > > > Create a specific character tag that for making text small caps with > > > > everything else set to As-Is. > > > > > > > > Then on the Numbering tab of your paragraph tag, use the Character > > Format > > > > drop-down and select your new character format. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Doug wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to make the following heading using a paragraph format > > with > > > > the > > > > > Appendix A: part set up using paragraph autonumbering: > > > > > > > > > > Appendix A: Specifications > > > > > > > > > > However, the entire line needs to use Small Caps. It all works > great > > > the > > > > > way I have it set up, EXCEPT that I can't figure out how to make > the > > > > Small > > > > > Caps attribute apply to the autonumbered letter A. It continues to > > > stand > > > > > tall above the rest of the line. > > > > > > > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > > > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Lin Sims > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > >
Re: [Framers] Small caps in paragraph numbering
You're using <$chapnum>? I admit that I haven't been using the special counters in anything, but while it should take its value from the numbering properties of the document, set in either the document itself or the bookfile, it's formatting should still be controlled by the Numbering tab for the paragraph tag. In any case, how is what you're doing using a character tag to set the font to all caps but 2 points smaller different from using a character tag to set the font to small caps? Maybe I'm missing something, but to me it sounds like we're both applying a character tag on the Numbering tab. On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Doug wrote: > I think the problem is that the autonumber is set by the Chapter Number and > in this case it's set to capital letters (since it's an appendix). I > suppose I could set the numbering to lowercase letters but that would cause > problems elsewhere. > > The best workaround I've found is to define a character format that changes > the font to uppercase while reducing font size by 2 points, which has the > same net effect. > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > Create a specific character tag that for making text small caps with > > everything else set to As-Is. > > > > Then on the Numbering tab of your paragraph tag, use the Character Format > > drop-down and select your new character format. > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Doug wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to make the following heading using a paragraph format with > > the > > > Appendix A: part set up using paragraph autonumbering: > > > > > > Appendix A: Specifications > > > > > > However, the entire line needs to use Small Caps. It all works great > the > > > way I have it set up, EXCEPT that I can't figure out how to make the > > Small > > > Caps attribute apply to the autonumbered letter A. It continues to > stand > > > tall above the rest of the line. > > > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > Doug > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > _______ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Small caps in paragraph numbering
Most appendices use letters rather than numbers. This helps distinguish them from the main body of the text. Even if we put "Chapter" or "Appendix" in the label, it's still easy to confuse them if both use numbers. Plus, if you're using numbered headings, you now have TWO sets of 1.1.3 and can't tell where you are in the book. On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer < dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why not just number your appendices rather than using characters from the > keyboard, like this: > > Appendix 1: Specifications > > Dennis... > -- > Dennis Brunnenmeyer > Host | Nevada City Limits > KVMR-FM / KCPC-FM Radio / KVMR.org > 120 Bridge Street > Nevada City, CA 95959 > p: (530) 477-9015 > m: (530) 320-9025 > dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com > or > denn...@kvmr.org > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:33 AM Doug wrote: > > > I'm trying to make the following heading using a paragraph format with > the > > Appendix A: part set up using paragraph autonumbering: > > > > Appendix A: Specifications > > > > However, the entire line needs to use Small Caps. It all works great the > > way I have it set up, EXCEPT that I can't figure out how to make the > Small > > Caps attribute apply to the autonumbered letter A. It continues to stand > > tall above the rest of the line. > > > > Ideas? > > > > Doug > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Small caps in paragraph numbering
Create a specific character tag that for making text small caps with everything else set to As-Is. Then on the Numbering tab of your paragraph tag, use the Character Format drop-down and select your new character format. On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Doug wrote: > I'm trying to make the following heading using a paragraph format with the > Appendix A: part set up using paragraph autonumbering: > > Appendix A: Specifications > > However, the entire line needs to use Small Caps. It all works great the > way I have it set up, EXCEPT that I can't figure out how to make the Small > Caps attribute apply to the autonumbered letter A. It continues to stand > tall above the rest of the line. > > Ideas? > > Doug > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Using Folders and Groups
Yes, I'd pretty much come to that conclusion about starting on new pages for each file, Peter. Disappointing, but not unexpected. It's going to play hob with xrefs, but getting this organized in my head is currently far more valuable. Once it's organized and I have the document written, I'll put it back into one file since I only anticipate minor updates. On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Peter Gold wrote: > This is a great way to organize content, but individual documents require > new page starts in printed output. > > One FrameMaker technique that may help is creating container documents with > import-by-reference content. > > HTH. > > On Aug 3, 2018 11:49 AM, "Lin Sims" wrote: > > Setting to next available didn't help; the contents of each file still > start on a new page, plus I had to create a Left master page. From the > description, it really sounded like I could use folders (or groups?) to > more finely chunk information and then have the contents follow one after > the other on a page without starting on top of the next page like DITA maps > with topics do. > > Oh, well. Would have been useful, but if there's a way to do it I don't > have time to figure it out. Guess what I'll do is complete the information > in the chunked files since that is helping me keep my thoughts straight and > the information better organized, and then either C back into a single > file for the chapter or text inset them one after the other. > > (Before someone goes there, DITA is not really an option even though I'd > like it to be. We're a small company with only 2 writers, and neither of us > knows anything like enough about DITA to set something up, nor anything at > all about how to set up Frame EDDs/DTDs to do it, plus we have no CMS, only > Box.) > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Mike Wickham > wrote: > > > I use folders to separate groups of files. For example, a Front Matter > > folder holds all the various title page, TOC, preface, etc. files. There > is > > a folder for each part and one to hold appendixes. At the end of the > book, > > I also have a folder set to exclude (non-printing) that holds generated > > files that list graphics used in the book, and fonts used. I recall > > playing around with groups, but numbering works very differently on them, > > so abandoned that idea. > > > > I seem to recall a blog entry that was useful in figuring out folders and > > groups way back when, but couldn't find it now. Searching on > "hierarchical > > books" turns up some hits that might help you. Looking at the latest > > edition of FrameMaker help, it looks like it gives a clearer (though not > > complete) explanation of folders and groups than way back in version 9. > > > > Mike > > > > On 8/3/2018 9:36 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > >> Has anyone here used folders and groups in their unstructured books? Is > >> there any information out there on the how and when and why of using > them, > >> or when one is better used than the other? > >> > >> So far all I've found is the brief and pretty detail-less how to in > >> Adobe's > >> help files, and I want more in-depth information. > >> > >> I'm working on a book right now where I *think *using folders would be > >> useful (long chapter, trying to chunk so I can keep straight what > >> information is where and the like, because two of those sections are > >> nearly > >> identical except for a few words and I want to keep them identical but > >> there are edits and additions and you know the drill), but I'm not sure > if > >> it would be or how to set it up properly and, frankly, I'm not up to > >> trial-and-erroring today until I get it. > >> > >> > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > > amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > > stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers. > com/ > Subscribe and
Re: [Framers] Using Folders and Groups
I thought of using text insets, and if this were information being used in more than one document I'd probably go for that. But it isn't, and each section is only going to be used once in THIS document, so I don't think it gains me anything. I'm going to organize the information in separate files for now, since it is helping me get it organized and letting me see where information is missing or repeating, and means I won't be doing a ton of scrolling. :) Once it's all done, I'll just import by copying into a single file and be done with it. On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > You can do what you want by using text insets since the insets do not > inherently trigger a new page like separate files listed in a book file do. > But text insets have their own set of limitations and peculiarities, > particularly if you are using cross-references. > > > -FR > > > > From: Framers > on behalf of Lin Sims > Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 12:49 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] Using Folders and Groups > > Setting to next available didn't help; the contents of each file still > start on a new page, plus I had to create a Left master page. From the > description, it really sounded like I could use folders (or groups?) to > more finely chunk information and then have the contents follow one after > the other on a page without starting on top of the next page like DITA maps > with topics do. > > Oh, well. Would have been useful, but if there's a way to do it I don't > have time to figure it out. Guess what I'll do is complete the information > in the chunked files since that is helping me keep my thoughts straight and > the information better organized, and then either C back into a single > file for the chapter or text inset them one after the other. > > (Before someone goes there, DITA is not really an option even though I'd > like it to be. We're a small company with only 2 writers, and neither of us > knows anything like enough about DITA to set something up, nor anything at > all about how to set up Frame EDDs/DTDs to do it, plus we have no CMS, only > Box.) > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Mike Wickham > wrote: > > > I use folders to separate groups of files. For example, a Front Matter > > folder holds all the various title page, TOC, preface, etc. files. There > is > > a folder for each part and one to hold appendixes. At the end of the > book, > > I also have a folder set to exclude (non-printing) that holds generated > > files that list graphics used in the book, and fonts used. I recall > > playing around with groups, but numbering works very differently on them, > > so abandoned that idea. > > > > I seem to recall a blog entry that was useful in figuring out folders and > > groups way back when, but couldn't find it now. Searching on > "hierarchical > > books" turns up some hits that might help you. Looking at the latest > > edition of FrameMaker help, it looks like it gives a clearer (though not > > complete) explanation of folders and groups than way back in version 9. > > > > Mike > > > > On 8/3/2018 9:36 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > >> Has anyone here used folders and groups in their unstructured books? Is > >> there any information out there on the how and when and why of using > them, > >> or when one is better used than the other? > >> > >> So far all I've found is the brief and pretty detail-less how to in > >> Adobe's > >> help files, and I want more in-depth information. > >> > >> I'm working on a book right now where I *think *using folders would be > >> useful (long chapter, trying to chunk so I can keep straight what > >> information is where and the like, because two of those sections are > >> nearly > >> identical except for a few words and I want to keep them identical but > >> there are edits and additions and you know the drill), but I'm not sure > if > >> it would be or how to set it up properly and, frankly, I'm not up to > >> trial-and-erroring today until I get it. > >> > >> > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at https://nam03.safelinks. > protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers. > com=02%7C01%7C%7C57a88909c3534ba2bce408d5f96115eb% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636689117722382695= > ZnRlylUO9PMQEDdKwZnMU7OE9%2BaU9mx7UL4%2BBg4BsIg%3D=0 >
Re: [Framers] Are "point-pages" still in use?
As I recall, the airline industry also mandates use of point pages, for the same reason that the rail industry does. I'm not entirely certain if the military does, but I think they used to. On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > The one user I referred to just came out of the shadows :-). > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On > Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:09 PM > To: kl...@daube.ch; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker > software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] Are "point-pages" still in use? > > Hi Klaus, > > I continue to use point pages and Rick's plug-ins to maintain them. > Point pages are critical to a couple of rail industry books that I manage > that govern how trains are operated in interchange. One book is updated > quarterly; the other every six months. Pagination must be kept frozen > between the annual releases of these books. Although they are available as > a > PDF download, the changed pages in the interim releases are printed in > hardcopy and mailed to subscribers. If changes to a page cause text to > reflow to an extent that creates a new page, then I must create point pages > for those pages. For those who have never heard of such a thing, point > pages > are decimal-defined pages that are inserted between regular pages. For > example, pages 102, 103, 104, 104.1, 104.2, 105, 106. > > Carol > > At 01:41 PM 8/14/2018, Klaus Daube wrote: > >In one of my older documents about FM I see a section about "point-pages": > >- FM function Freeze Pagination and Unfreeze (limited functionality) > >- Reference to Rick Quatro's plug-ins PointPages and PrintingPointPages > >with detailed documentation how to use. Nothing of this is left on > >Ric's site. > > > >For online-documentation there is no need for such a mechanism, because > >an updated version of a long document can be published without ruining > >the forests. > > > >But IMHO there are still paper demanding situations of thick manuals, > >which can not be re-distributed as a whole for every update. > > > >How are such situations handled nowadays? > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Losing Page Breaks in FM2015
Are you inserting the page breaks after generation? That's not information FrameMaker retains. Every time you regenerate, you are creating the file from scratch. There is a Cudspan plugin called TOC Breaker than handles this situation. It does it by creating a reference page with information on where the manually inserted page breaks are. When you regenerate the file, run the utility again to have the page breaks restored. On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Stephanie Hutchison < shutchi...@mraservices.net> wrote: > We are losing page breaks during file generation (TOC, List of Figures, > etc.) or adding of index tags in FrameMaker 2015. Suggestions? > > We always place our tags at the end of the header or term, but that > doesn't always make a difference. Those are easier to catch than when the > breaks are lost during file generation. > > Stephanie Hutchison > Manager of Data Operations > MRA Services, Inc. > shutchi...@mraservices.net<mailto:shutchi...@mraservices.net> > 704-933-4300 > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Perpetual Newbie Question #2: Lists of Para and Char Tags
You can also go to http://cudspan.net/plugins/ and download the Paragraph Whopper plugin, which is available for multiple versions of Frame. It's free and lets you delete all the unused paragraph and character formats. On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Grant Hogarth wrote: > Create a book for the files, and then generate a list of the paragraph and > character tags. (These will be separate lists). The Silicon Prairie tools > are also good. > Grant > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Robert Lauriston" > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Sent: 8/9/2018 9:26:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Framers] Perpetual Newbie Question #2 > > I believe Delete All Unused Formats was added in FM10. >> >> In earlier releases I used Silicon Prairie's Character Tools and >> Paragraph Tools: >> >> https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ >> >> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:12 AM, Doug wrote: >> >>> On the Paragraph/Character Catalog window there's a gear icon. When >>> clicked it shows a list of options, one of which is to Show Only Unused >>> Formats, another of which is Delete All Unused Formats. I find those >>> options to be the easiest way to clean up a document's catalogs. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer < >>> dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm back with another basic question: >>>> >>>> I assume it's not rocket science, but then my last year as an actual >>>> rocket >>>> scientist was early in 1970. Is there an straightforward way to get a >>>> list >>>> of all of the paragraph and character tags actually used in a given >>>> FrameMaker 7.2 document, thereby making it easy to purge those two >>>> catalogs? >>>> >>>> I apologize if I've overlooked something that should be obvious. Thanks >>>> in >>>> advance for your help (again)! >>>> >>> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr >> amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li >> stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > _______ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Perpetual Newbie Question #2: Lists of Para and Char Tags
I've got the Cudspan docs on my home computer. If you need a copy, I can send it once I get home later tonight. For some reason, Chris no longer has the docs on his website, or if he has, I can't find them. On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer < dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote: > Once again, I thank everyone for your help with this. As it turns out, I > already had the two Silicon Prairie plug-ins AND the Cuspan tools from back > in the day. Now all I have to do is re-install them, review the > documentation and have a go at 'em. > > Dennis... > -- > Dennis Brunnenmeyer > Host | Nevada City Limits > KVMR-FM / KCPC-FM Radio / KVMR.org > 120 Bridge Street > Nevada City, CA 95959 > p: (530) 477-9015 > m: (530) 320-9025 > dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com > or > denn...@kvmr.org > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:07 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > You can also go to http://cudspan.net/plugins/ and download the > Paragraph > > Whopper plugin, which is available for multiple versions of Frame. It's > > free and lets you delete all the unused paragraph and character formats. > > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Grant Hogarth > > wrote: > > > > > Create a book for the files, and then generate a list of the paragraph > > and > > > character tags. (These will be separate lists). The Silicon Prairie > > tools > > > are also good. > > > Grant > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > > From: "Robert Lauriston" > > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < > > > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > > Sent: 8/9/2018 9:26:33 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Perpetual Newbie Question #2 > > > > > > I believe Delete All Unused Formats was added in FM10. > > >> > > >> In earlier releases I used Silicon Prairie's Character Tools and > > >> Paragraph Tools: > > >> > > >> https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ > > >> > > >> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:12 AM, Doug wrote: > > >> > > >>> On the Paragraph/Character Catalog window there's a gear icon. When > > >>> clicked it shows a list of options, one of which is to Show Only > Unused > > >>> Formats, another of which is Delete All Unused Formats. I find those > > >>> options to be the easiest way to clean up a document's catalogs. > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer < > > >>> dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I'm back with another basic question: > > >>>> > > >>>> I assume it's not rocket science, but then my last year as an actual > > >>>> rocket > > >>>> scientist was early in 1970. Is there an straightforward way to get > a > > >>>> list > > >>>> of all of the paragraph and character tags actually used in a given > > >>>> FrameMaker 7.2 document, thereby making it easy to purge those two > > >>>> catalogs? > > >>>> > > >>>> I apologize if I've overlooked something that should be obvious. > > Thanks > > >>>> in > > >>>> advance for your help (again)! > > >>>> > > >>> ___ > > >> > > >> This message is from the Framers mailing list > > >> > > >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > >> Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > > >> amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > > >> stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > >> > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > > > amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > > > stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > &
Re: [Framers] Perpetual Newbie Question #2: Lists of Para and Char Tags
You're more than welcome. I knew the .dll file was there, but his documentation no longer seems to be available. It was the documentation I was offering. I have it because I keep EVERYTHING. (My hard drive is where I hoard.) :) On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer < dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Lin... > > What Chris does offer for FM 7.0/7.2 can be found here: > http://cudspan.net/plugins/ > I noticed that RefIcons is not in the list. I do have it, though, as well > as the other ones he's presently offering. > > Thank you Lin for offering to help, but I believe I have all of the tools > now to solve my current issues. Maybe later ... ? > > Dennis... > -- > Dennis Brunnenmeyer > Host | Nevada City Limits > KVMR-FM / KCPC-FM Radio / KVMR.org > 120 Bridge Street > Nevada City, CA 95959 > p: (530) 477-9015 > m: (530) 320-9025 > dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com > or > denn...@kvmr.org > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:24 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > I've got the Cudspan docs on my home computer. If you need a copy, I can > > send it once I get home later tonight. For some reason, Chris no longer > has > > the docs on his website, or if he has, I can't find them. > > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer < > > dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Once again, I thank everyone for your help with this. As it turns out, > I > > > already had the two Silicon Prairie plug-ins AND the Cuspan tools from > > back > > > in the day. Now all I have to do is re-install them, review the > > > documentation and have a go at 'em. > > > > > > Dennis... > > > -- > > > Dennis Brunnenmeyer > > > Host | Nevada City Limits > > > KVMR-FM / KCPC-FM Radio / KVMR.org > > > 120 Bridge Street > > > Nevada City, CA 95959 > > > p: (530) 477-9015 > > > m: (530) 320-9025 > > > dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com > > > or > > > denn...@kvmr.org > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:07 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > > > You can also go to http://cudspan.net/plugins/ and download the > > > Paragraph > > > > Whopper plugin, which is available for multiple versions of Frame. > It's > > > > free and lets you delete all the unused paragraph and character > > formats. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Grant Hogarth < > gr...@hedgewizard.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Create a book for the files, and then generate a list of the > > paragraph > > > > and > > > > > character tags. (These will be separate lists). The Silicon > Prairie > > > > tools > > > > > are also good. > > > > > Grant > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > > > > From: "Robert Lauriston" > > > > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < > > > > > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > > > > Sent: 8/9/2018 9:26:33 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Perpetual Newbie Question #2 > > > > > > > > > > I believe Delete All Unused Formats was added in FM10. > > > > >> > > > > >> In earlier releases I used Silicon Prairie's Character Tools and > > > > >> Paragraph Tools: > > > > >> > > > > >> https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ > > > > >> > > > > >> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:12 AM, Doug > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> On the Paragraph/Character Catalog window there's a gear icon. > > When > > > > >>> clicked it shows a list of options, one of which is to Show Only > > > Unused > > > > >>> Formats, another of which is Delete All Unused Formats. I find > > those > > > > >>> options to be the easiest way to clean up a document's catalogs. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer < > > > > >>> dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I'm back with another basic question: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> I assume it's not rocket science, but then my last year as an > > actual > > > > >>>> rocket > > &
[Framers] Why can't I change the default color for the strikethrough in the Add Note to Replace Text tool?
It's really annoying. I don't want the strikethrough line to be blue. I want it to be purple to match all the other annotations I make, and I don't want to have to change it every time I use the tool. I've only been able to find information on how to change the text color, which isn't an issue. The strikethrough tool is purple. The insert text tool is purple. Why won't this tool let me set its default to purple? The really weird bit is that while the line stubbornly refuses to let me set its default, the insert carat has! (Yes, I know it's a petty frustration, but even so!) Windows 7. Acrobat Pro DC -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Paragraph numbering with embedded return?
The house style here is that each chapter starts with the following: Section Chapter Title (These are the only heading-type paragraphs with numbers.) I am getting mortally tired of having to use two separate cross-references when referring to a chapter. If I could figure out how to embed a return in the autonumbering, I could drop a paragraph tag, add an xref tag, and go on my merry way. I've already tried using \r in the Autonumber builder, but Frame doesn't like that. Is this even possible, or am I to remain woeful? -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Handling very long TOC entries
I was just having the same issue and found a good solution posted by, I think, Bernard Aschwanden. On the Advanced page of the Paragraph Designer, set the Minimum Word Spacing to 300% and the Maximum to about 125%. On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Doug wrote: > My TOC looks great, except for entries that are so long as to almost > touch the page number. This makes the entry harder to read and it > also eliminates the dot leader. What's the best solution for this? > I've tried adding a right indent, but this puts the page number at the > left indent position on the following line. It helps if I add another > tab, but I can't get the page number to the right of the right indent. > > What's the best practice for this situation? > > Thanks, > > Doug > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Handling very long TOC entries
Did I remember it right, at least? I was going off the settings I used, but I think yours was a bit more generic (which can be more useful). On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:03 AM, Bernard Aschwanden < bern...@publishingsmarter.com> wrote: > As always, anything from that Aschwanden fellow can be subject to all kinds > of interpretation. Use care and caution. ;) > > Thanks Lin! > > B > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter....@lists.frameusers.com > ] > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:59 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] Handling very long TOC entries > > I was just having the same issue and found a good solution posted by, I > think, Bernard Aschwanden. > > On the Advanced page of the Paragraph Designer, set the Minimum Word > Spacing to 300% and the Maximum to about 125%. > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Doug wrote: > > > My TOC looks great, except for entries that are so long as to almost > > touch the page number. This makes the entry harder to read and it > > also eliminates the dot leader. What's the best solution for this? > > I've tried adding a right indent, but this puts the page number at the > > left indent position on the following line. It helps if I add another > > tab, but I can't get the page number to the right of the right indent. > > > > What's the best practice for this situation? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doug > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Handling very long TOC entries
Yes, I think the basic, generic "fix" is to make sure that the Minimum space is actually far, far bigger than the Maximum. On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Doug wrote: > Good advice. It worked adequately at 125% for one TOC level and at > 175% for the next lower TOC level. I can live with doing it this way. > > Thanks! > > Doug > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:08 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > > Did I remember it right, at least? I was going off the settings I used, > but > > I think yours was a bit more generic (which can be more useful). > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:03 AM, Bernard Aschwanden < > > bern...@publishingsmarter.com> wrote: > > > > > As always, anything from that Aschwanden fellow can be subject to all > kinds > > > of interpretation. Use care and caution. ;) > > > > > > Thanks Lin! > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Framers > > > [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com@ > lists.frameusers.com > > > ] > > > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:59 AM > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Handling very long TOC entries > > > > > > I was just having the same issue and found a good solution posted by, I > > > think, Bernard Aschwanden. > > > > > > On the Advanced page of the Paragraph Designer, set the Minimum Word > > > Spacing to 300% and the Maximum to about 125%. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Doug wrote: > > > > > > > My TOC looks great, except for entries that are so long as to almost > > > > touch the page number. This makes the entry harder to read and it > > > > also eliminates the dot leader. What's the best solution for this? > > > > I've tried adding a right indent, but this puts the page number at > the > > > > left indent position on the following line. It helps if I add > another > > > > tab, but I can't get the page number to the right of the right > indent. > > > > > > > > What's the best practice for this situation? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lin Sims > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > _______ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lis
Re: [Framers] Save As PDF doesn't work first time
P6ihmA= > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.frameusers.com_listinfo.cgi_framers-2Dframeusers.com=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=pgSIbZ4Mi95KHxAMq6g0jFLPpOaHCs-19-hia8aESC8=uf0jDOCuV6QcbIohAa13h-dMUabWqyI13e7ZtWmH-vM= > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] ANN: FrameMaker 2019
Colored icons are back! I know that makes ME happy. Now the question is whether I want to pay for the TCS update. Really I only use FM and Acrobat, but it is literally cheaper to get the suite than it is to pay for the individual upgrades (which is why I purchased the suite to begin with). On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:51 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > It was released today. So was TCS 2019. > > https://www.adobe.com/in/products/framemaker/features.html > > https://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite.html > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Art Campbell > wrote: > > 19 hasn't hit the market. It's been announced. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Questions about import from Word
A few more details would help. :) 1. There's no fast way to replace images copied into a file with images imported by reference. It's pretty much an image by image deal. 2. Fixing them how? 3. Did the text come through with the color intact, or are you applying a tag to fix that it didn't come through? In either case, there is, as far as I know (I know I'll be corrected if I'm wrong) no way to search for color and no way to apply it without creating a paragraph or character tag. If the color came through the conversion, then there should be a tag for it that you can search for. 4. If the bold and italic didn't come through then there's not much chance of "fixing it" other than searching for the words or phrases you know it should be and applying it. Note that FrameMaker WILL let you manually format things like bold and italic without creating character tags for them, but it's generally Not A Good Idea. Best practise is to create tags. 5. Fix the xrefs how? What's wrong with them? The last few bits of a Word conversion, the general tidying up, as you put it, are normally the most manually intensive ones. There aren't many ways around it. Frankly, my personal experience has been that it is frequently easier to convert the Word file(s) to pure text and just work from that, but YMMV. You might want to check out some of Rick Quattro's scripts. The TableCleaner script is invaluable for converting and cleaning up Word tables. The FindChangeBatchFormats script may also be of use, since it renames tags for you and could be used to rename any imported styles from Word to their equivalent Frame tags. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 3:19 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > Hi, > as I wrote in a previous mail I have imported a guide form Word to Frame. > > I spent time learning the templates and setting it all up and most styles > converted well. > > However, it seems that there is a lot of additional work, is there any way > to make this faster? > > These are the things i am working on. > > 1. Replacing all graphics that are copied into the files, by graphics > imported by reference > 2. Fixing Master page of first pages of chapters > 3. Some text was marked green or red, not by using a specific style, I made > appropriate paragraph tags and am applying. > 4. Applying bold and italic in places where it was missed out in the > conversion > 5. General tidying up > 6. Is there any way that cross references can be fixed? > > Are there any shortcuts? > > > > > -- > Caroline Tabach > Technical/Marcom Writer > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Questions about import from Word
Yes, the different page layouts are usually applied by hand, although there is a way to use the mapping tables on reference pages to apply them based on a paragraph tag. It has to be one that applies only on that page, though. Search the help for "Assign a master page to pages with specified paragraph tags". It'll walk you through setting that up. If you import the Word file as RTF, it should bring the colors and attributes with it. If you have the Word styles mapped to FrameMaker tags, the information should convert, but if those attributes were applied manually instead of by using character styles I think Frame will create character tags using the same names. I think. Frame should import the cross-references. Try searching for Cross-Reference - Any. Frame and Word handle xrefs differently, so Frame probably assigned a format of something like Imported Format Para Text with nothing to distinguish it from the surrounding text. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:12 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > Lin > thanks for the answers. > > I spent a couple of months using this Word template and understanding it. > > When I converted to FrameMaker I took some time to map the styles and then > create a preset file. I mapped tables, characters and paragraphs. This all > worked beautifully. (Frame 2017) > > re 2 In my template the title page has a different master page, so i have > to apply this by hand. > > 3. The bold and italics which were not in a Word style, did not appear in > my doc, so i am applying by hand, the colors also did not appear. > > For next time, is there some way where the colors and bolds etc can be > transferred from the Word to the Frame file? > 4. the x-refs did not get transferred in any way. Should they have been, > was there something i could have set up to make it happen? They were > references to various headings. > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > A few more details would help. :) > > > >1. There's no fast way to replace images copied into a file with > images > >imported by reference. It's pretty much an image by image deal. > >2. Fixing them how? > >3. Did the text come through with the color intact, or are you > applying > >a tag to fix that it didn't come through? In either case, there is, as > > far > >as I know (I know I'll be corrected if I'm wrong) no way to search for > >color and no way to apply it without creating a paragraph or character > > tag. > >If the color came through the conversion, then there should be a tag > > for it > >that you can search for. > >4. If the bold and italic didn't come through then there's not much > >chance of "fixing it" other than searching for the words or phrases > you > >know it should be and applying it. Note that FrameMaker WILL let you > >manually format things like bold and italic without creating character > > tags > >for them, but it's generally Not A Good Idea. Best practise is to > create > >tags. > >5. Fix the xrefs how? What's wrong with them? > > > > The last few bits of a Word conversion, the general tidying up, as you > put > > it, are normally the most manually intensive ones. There aren't many ways > > around it. Frankly, my personal experience has been that it is frequently > > easier to convert the Word file(s) to pure text and just work from that, > > but YMMV. > > > > You might want to check out some of Rick Quattro's scripts. The > > TableCleaner script is invaluable for converting and cleaning up Word > > tables. The FindChangeBatchFormats script may also be of use, since it > > renames tags for you and could be used to rename any imported styles from > > Word to their equivalent Frame tags. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 3:19 AM Caroline Tabach < > caroline.tab...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > as I wrote in a previous mail I have imported a guide form Word to > Frame. > > > > > > I spent time learning the templates and setting it all up and most > styles > > > converted well. > > > > > > However, it seems that there is a lot of additional work, is there any > > way > > > to make this faster? > > > > > > These are the things i am working on. > > > > > > 1. Replacing all graphics that are copied into the files, by graphics > > > imported by reference > > > 2. Fixing Master page of first pages of chapters > > > 3. Some text was marked green or red, not by using a specific style, I > > made > > > appropriate paragraph
Re: [Framers] Upgrade to FM-15 aka 219
All the Adobe site says is to call for older versions. But then, it says the same thing for the Adobe Technical Communications Suite even if you have the most recent version, which I find plenty annoying. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:10 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > Today FM-15 was launched. > Does anybody know what are the conditions for an upgrade license? > > My last full license ? is for FM13: > Adobe Sofware License Certificate (FrameMaker 2015 13.0 WIN AOO License IE > (65261793)) - Received 2015-08-26 from Sonia Madan Mukhi < > smada...@adobe.com> > It was not possible to serve me via the LWS. So this licese does not show > up there - > but also not in my Adobe-ID. > > Klaus > ~~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Upgrade to FM-15 aka 219
Klaus: There's no option to purchase an upgrade from anything other than FrameMaker 2017 in the store. I don't know if that means there's no option at all or it just isn't available in the store and you'll have to ask them. Upgrading from Frame 2017 to 2019 is $399 (if you're upgrading the license, not a subscription). Upgrading from TCS 2017 to 2019 is $699 (same caveat). On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:20 AM Lin Sims wrote: > All the Adobe site says is to call for older versions. > > But then, it says the same thing for the Adobe Technical Communications > Suite even if you have the most recent version, which I find plenty > annoying. > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:10 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > >> Today FM-15 was launched. >> Does anybody know what are the conditions for an upgrade license? >> >> My last full license ? is for FM13: >> Adobe Sofware License Certificate (FrameMaker 2015 13.0 WIN AOO License >> IE >> (65261793)) - Received 2015-08-26 from Sonia Madan Mukhi < >> smada...@adobe.com> >> It was not possible to serve me via the LWS. So this licese does not >> show up there - >> but also not in my Adobe-ID. >> >> Klaus >> ~~ >> Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 >> Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch >> CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch >> >> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Kudos for Adobe Support
Opera, rock, or folk? On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:07 PM Rick Quatro wrote: > It is good that you gave credit where it is due. > > As far as FrameMaker, version 8 is one of my all-time favorites. Combined > with FrameScript, I could make it sing. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-729-6746 NEW! > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On > Behalf Of Lea Rush > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 2:05 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: [Framers] Kudos for Adobe Support > > Credit where credit is due. My computer was force-updated to the current > build of Windows 10 last week, and the activation status for my beloved > Frame8 was destroyed. I tried reactivation over the 'net, and it failed. I > tried the activation phone number, and it was (not surprisingly) defunct. I > finally called Adobe support. After a fair number of cache-file shenanigans > and a new serial number, FM8 is working again. Many thanks to Vaibhav > Vishwakarma for jumping through the many hoops needed to solve my problem. > > Lea > > > Lea Rush > Senior Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific > www.astoria-pacific.com<http://www.astoria-pacific.com/> > P: 800-536-3111, +1-503-657-3010 > > Let us know how we're doing. Click here to take a brief > survey<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/service60>. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸ ><º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><º> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/service60 > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY > > This communication is from Astoria-Pacific and is intended to be > confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed > above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information > contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or > law, > and any copying, distribution, disclosure or other use of this information > is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, > and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing
I created a Visio diagram by pasting a photograph onto a sheet and adding a text label, then grouping the two together and saving the file first as a Visio diagram (.vsdx) and then as an SVG file. Visio is set to automatically display SVG files in a web browser so I can check that things converted correctly. They seemed to; both the picture and the text label showed up. But when I import that same SVG file into FrameMaker, the only thing that's visible is the text label I added. Even though the anchored graphic imports at a size indicating that the entire SVG graphic is there, the photograph isn't visible. At the moment I'm converting to JPG so I can get a visible image, but I'm wondering if this is a Visio issue (doubting: it shows up correctly in the browser), or a FrameMaker issue, or something I haven't the knowledge of to even suspect. Has anyone encountered this before? Is it known what might be the cause? Is there a fix so I can use SVG? (NB: We use SVG because we produce PDFs, and if someone zooms in or out the graphic doesn't get grainy 'n stuff.) Also, is it just me or has the list been very, VERY quiet the last couple of weeks? -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing
They're JPG files, not PNGs, so they're raster, not bitmapped. They zoom just fine. On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > When you export the SVG with the embedded bitmap to PDF, is it still > missing? FrameMaker can't always preview vector images. > > You're wasting your time embedding bitmaps in SVGs. It's still a > bitmap, so if someone zooms in it you'll start seeing the graininess. > Only the vector portions of the SVG will stay sharp. > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > I created a Visio diagram by pasting a photograph onto a sheet and > adding a > > text label, then grouping the two together and saving the file first as a > > Visio diagram (.vsdx) and then as an SVG file. Visio is set to > > automatically display SVG files in a web browser so I can check that > things > > converted correctly. They seemed to; both the picture and the text label > > showed up. > > > > But when I import that same SVG file into FrameMaker, the only thing > that's > > visible is the text label I added. Even though the anchored graphic > imports > > at a size indicating that the entire SVG graphic is there, the photograph > > isn't visible. > > > > At the moment I'm converting to JPG so I can get a visible image, but I'm > > wondering if this is a Visio issue (doubting: it shows up correctly in > the > > browser), or a FrameMaker issue, or something I haven't the knowledge of > to > > even suspect. > > > > Has anyone encountered this before? Is it known what might be the cause? > Is > > there a fix so I can use SVG? (NB: We use SVG because we produce PDFs, > and > > if someone zooms in or out the graphic doesn't get grainy 'n stuff.) > > > > Also, is it just me or has the list been very, VERY quiet the last couple > > of weeks? > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing
Our standard is to create all graphics used in Visio and then save out to SVG. Visio lets us edit callouts on the screenshots or photographs depending on our needs so we don't have to keep retaking the pictures to create images with new callouts. Saving out to SVG keeps it consistent with all the graphics we actually draw in Visio. I was told this also let us zoom without losing resolution, but the person telling me this might have been referring only to the line drawings created in Visio. I dunno. As I said, not trained as either a graphic artist or in using Visio, just sort of picked it up along the way. I bet there are other things I think are true that aren't! On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > Screen shots and photographs are bitmaps aka raster graphics. Drawings > and text outlines are vector graphics. > > If your only reason for converting a JPG or PNG to SVG before placing > it in FrameMaker is a pointless waste of time. > > Standardizing on one file format, typically PNG, for bitmpas and > another format such EPS or SVG for drawings might make sense, but I > don't know what benefit you'd get from of standardizing on a vector > file format for both bitmaps and drawings that would offset the amount > of time you'd have to spend embedding bitmaps in vector files. > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > Oh, for crying out loud. Rastered IS bitmapped. I'll never get it > straight > > ... > > > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Grant Hogarth > > wrote: > > > >> Robert makes a good point, but if no one is expecting a magical increase > >> in resolution, the standardization on graphic type makes sense. > >> > >> > >> -- Original Message -- > >> From: "Robert Lauriston" > >> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < > >> framers@lists.frameusers.com> > >> Sent: 7/20/2018 12:17:45 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing > >> > >> When you export the SVG with the embedded bitmap to PDF, is it still > >>> missing? FrameMaker can't always preview vector images. > >>> > >>> You're wasting your time embedding bitmaps in SVGs. It's still a > >>> bitmap, so if someone zooms in it you'll start seeing the graininess. > >>> Only the vector portions of the SVG will stay sharp. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Lin Sims > wrote: > >>> > >>>> I created a Visio diagram by pasting a photograph onto a sheet and > >>>> adding a > >>>> text label, then grouping the two together and saving the file first > as a > >>>> Visio diagram (.vsdx) and then as an SVG file. Visio is set to > >>>> automatically display SVG files in a web browser so I can check that > >>>> things > >>>> converted correctly. They seemed to; both the picture and the text > label > >>>> showed up. > >>>> > >>>> But when I import that same SVG file into FrameMaker, the only thing > >>>> that's > >>>> visible is the text label I added. Even though the anchored graphic > >>>> imports > >>>> at a size indicating that the entire SVG graphic is there, the > photograph > >>>> isn't visible. > >>>> > >>>> At the moment I'm converting to JPG so I can get a visible image, but > I'm > >>>> wondering if this is a Visio issue (doubting: it shows up correctly in > >>>> the > >>>> browser), or a FrameMaker issue, or something I haven't the knowledge > of > >>>> to > >>>> even suspect. > >>>> > >>>> Has anyone encountered this before? Is it known what might be the > cause? > >>>> Is > >>>> there a fix so I can use SVG? (NB: We use SVG because we produce PDFs, > >>>> and > >>>> if someone zooms in or out the graphic doesn't get grainy 'n stuff.) > >>>> > >>>> Also, is it just me or has the list been very, VERY quiet the last > couple > >>>> of weeks? > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing
I tried inserting the photographs instead of doing copy and paste. Voilà, everything is magically fixed. One more random thing to keep in mind, I guess. Jeff: I never flattened anything in Visio before saving as SVG, and it's never been an issue. On the other hand, I'm generally working with line drawings in Visio. Using photographs is new to me, so I dunno. Grant: I have no idea. I'm not trained as a graphic artist or even in Visio; just picked it up as I went along. Layers are a bit of a mystery to me! On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Grant Hogarth wrote: > Thought: could FrameMaker be interpreting the transparency of the label > layer differently for this image? > Although given the other images coming in correctly, perhaps there is > something in that original photo that has a transparency issue. > > Grant > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jeff Coatsworth" > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Sent: 7/20/2018 12:09:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing > > I don't work with them, but isn't there some sort of "flattening" thing >> you need to do with SVG images that have different layers in them? >> >> >> >> From: Framers > frameusers.com> on behalf of Lin Sims >> Sent: July 20, 2018 2:04 PM >> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. >> Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing >> >> True. I'm just trying to keep to the standards we're setting, which call >> for using SVG files for all graphics. >> >> The REALLY odd thing is that other SVG files made the same way work >> perfectly. It's just these 3. Maybe I should try importing the photograph >> instead of doing a copy and paste of it >> >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: >> >> Hi Lin, >>> >>> I am not sure what the svg issue is and I am not familiar with Visio, but >>> if >>> you can make a PDF of the image from Visio, that should maintain text >>> clarity in the final PDF from FrameMaker. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> Rick Quatro >>> Carmen Publishing Inc. >>> r...@frameexpert.com >>> 585-729-6746 NEW! >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Framers >>> On >>> Behalf Of Lin Sims >>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:45 PM >>> To: Frame Users >>> Subject: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing >>> >>> I created a Visio diagram by pasting a photograph onto a sheet and >>> adding a >>> text label, then grouping the two together and saving the file first as a >>> Visio diagram (.vsdx) and then as an SVG file. Visio is set to >>> automatically >>> display SVG files in a web browser so I can check that things converted >>> correctly. They seemed to; both the picture and the text label showed up. >>> >>> But when I import that same SVG file into FrameMaker, the only thing >>> that's >>> visible is the text label I added. Even though the anchored graphic >>> imports >>> at a size indicating that the entire SVG graphic is there, the photograph >>> isn't visible. >>> >>> At the moment I'm converting to JPG so I can get a visible image, but I'm >>> wondering if this is a Visio issue (doubting: it shows up correctly in >>> the >>> browser), or a FrameMaker issue, or something I haven't the knowledge of >>> to >>> even suspect. >>> >>> Has anyone encountered this before? Is it known what might be the cause? >>> Is >>> there a fix so I can use SVG? (NB: We use SVG because we produce PDFs, >>> and >>> if someone zooms in or out the graphic doesn't get grainy 'n stuff.) >>> >>> Also, is it just me or has the list been very, VERY quiet the last couple >>> of >>> weeks? >>> -- >>> Lin Sims >>> ___ >>> >>> This message is from the Framers mailing list >>> >>> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage >>> at >>> http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >>> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >>> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >>> Send administrative questions to lis
Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing
True. I'm just trying to keep to the standards we're setting, which call for using SVG files for all graphics. The REALLY odd thing is that other SVG files made the same way work perfectly. It's just these 3. Maybe I should try importing the photograph instead of doing a copy and paste of it On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Lin, > > I am not sure what the svg issue is and I am not familiar with Visio, but > if > you can make a PDF of the image from Visio, that should maintain text > clarity in the final PDF from FrameMaker. > > Rick > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-729-6746 NEW! > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On > Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:45 PM > To: Frame Users > Subject: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing > > I created a Visio diagram by pasting a photograph onto a sheet and adding a > text label, then grouping the two together and saving the file first as a > Visio diagram (.vsdx) and then as an SVG file. Visio is set to > automatically > display SVG files in a web browser so I can check that things converted > correctly. They seemed to; both the picture and the text label showed up. > > But when I import that same SVG file into FrameMaker, the only thing that's > visible is the text label I added. Even though the anchored graphic imports > at a size indicating that the entire SVG graphic is there, the photograph > isn't visible. > > At the moment I'm converting to JPG so I can get a visible image, but I'm > wondering if this is a Visio issue (doubting: it shows up correctly in the > browser), or a FrameMaker issue, or something I haven't the knowledge of to > even suspect. > > Has anyone encountered this before? Is it known what might be the cause? Is > there a fix so I can use SVG? (NB: We use SVG because we produce PDFs, and > if someone zooms in or out the graphic doesn't get grainy 'n stuff.) > > Also, is it just me or has the list been very, VERY quiet the last couple > of > weeks? > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing
Oh, for crying out loud. Rastered IS bitmapped. I'll never get it straight ... On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Grant Hogarth wrote: > Robert makes a good point, but if no one is expecting a magical increase > in resolution, the standardization on graphic type makes sense. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Robert Lauriston" > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Sent: 7/20/2018 12:17:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing > > When you export the SVG with the embedded bitmap to PDF, is it still >> missing? FrameMaker can't always preview vector images. >> >> You're wasting your time embedding bitmaps in SVGs. It's still a >> bitmap, so if someone zooms in it you'll start seeing the graininess. >> Only the vector portions of the SVG will stay sharp. >> >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Lin Sims wrote: >> >>> I created a Visio diagram by pasting a photograph onto a sheet and >>> adding a >>> text label, then grouping the two together and saving the file first as a >>> Visio diagram (.vsdx) and then as an SVG file. Visio is set to >>> automatically display SVG files in a web browser so I can check that >>> things >>> converted correctly. They seemed to; both the picture and the text label >>> showed up. >>> >>> But when I import that same SVG file into FrameMaker, the only thing >>> that's >>> visible is the text label I added. Even though the anchored graphic >>> imports >>> at a size indicating that the entire SVG graphic is there, the photograph >>> isn't visible. >>> >>> At the moment I'm converting to JPG so I can get a visible image, but I'm >>> wondering if this is a Visio issue (doubting: it shows up correctly in >>> the >>> browser), or a FrameMaker issue, or something I haven't the knowledge of >>> to >>> even suspect. >>> >>> Has anyone encountered this before? Is it known what might be the cause? >>> Is >>> there a fix so I can use SVG? (NB: We use SVG because we produce PDFs, >>> and >>> if someone zooms in or out the graphic doesn't get grainy 'n stuff.) >>> >>> Also, is it just me or has the list been very, VERY quiet the last couple >>> of weeks? >>> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr >> amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li >> stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing
All our graphics are numbered so that they can be easily found and reused, which is why even screenshots with no other modifications go into a Visio format and are then saved as both Visio and SVG. The ability to search for text is an additional reason to save as SVG, although at my current job we are making it a standard to use either letters or numbers and putting all the text into tables. We don't internationalize at the moment, but I like to be prepared. Also, you can put more information in a table without worrying about your text labels obscuring something important. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, David Artman wrote: >In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with saving a raster graphic >(photo, screen shot) with vector-art (callout lines, boxes, text) as an >SVG file (or PDF, or EPS). In fact, it is probably the *best practice* >both for localization (translate the text in the SVG) and for >searchability (the text is still text in the final output, not >rasterized bitmap like it would be if you saved to PNG before >typesetting it). If you flatten it to a bitmap format like PNG, the >text and callout lines and boxes become bitmaps as well, and as such >are going to show graininess at zoom and not be searchable. > >Of course, we could argue about the relative merits of putting text >into an image rather than using letters or numbers and then defining >the letters or numbers in (say) a table below the image in FM. Many >choose the latter approach to simplify localization--you need only send >the FM files for translation, not hundreds of SVG files as well. But if >you're fine with natural-language text in your graphics and the >commensurate cost of translating graphic-by-graphic, then SVG is >basically ideal, for the reasons I gave above. > >As for JPG versus PNG, there's no reason to save as JPG unless you >*intentionally* want to save a lossy image at a very small size. PNG >applies lossless compression--and so you get some file-size >savings--but it doesn't generate the wretched artifacts that >low-percentage JPGs generate. > >I would concur with whomever said that there's no point in putting >*only* a raster graphic into an SVG and saving it as SVG. Just adding a >step. No one should lose sleep over the fact that images without >callouts are PNG and those with callouts are SVG... in fact, that would >simplify sorting out which needed to be zipped up for the translators >versus which can be left alone! > >My 2¢; > >David > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, Windows 10
Windows 10 strikes again, it seems. As all may recall, the 1803 build of Windows 10 bolluxed the ability of Framemaker to create PDF files. Microsoft supposedly fixed this issue in July. Except not quite. We use SVG images in our Framemaker files, and as of August 31, my coworker, who is on Windows 10, *cannot *create a PDF. In fact, Frame freezes and has to be killed via TaskManager. I have Windows 7 on my work computer, and I *can *create a PDF from the same files he can't. On my home computer, I have Windows 10 and Framemaker 2017 (same versions as my coworker has at work). I tested several different documents, and got the same results he did. We have fully updated Windows and fully updated Framemaker 2017 and fully updated Acrobat Pro DC. I have tried switching from RGB to CMYK with no success. I also tried running Framemaker in Windows 7 compatibility mode, with no success. Who do I scream at at Microsoft to get this *FIXED*? We can, obviously, workaround by using Visio files instead, but that means wrapping the sheet size to the image, which is going to play hob with making changes if we need to later on. Not a deal breaker, but damned inconvenient and it wouldn't be necessary if Microsoft hadn't broken things to begin with. -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Strange copy and past behaviour from Word
I'm at a loss. Would you be willing to send me directly a Word file with the problematic text? It's hard to diagnose without that. A look at the MIF file might provide a clue, although at this point I'm not sure what you'd need to look for. Was it showing up as text question marks or those black diamonds with the white question mark inside? On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:47 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > Plain English text Ariel font in both cases. > > That is why it was strange > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > What was in place of the question marks when it was in Word? Some things > > don't have exact text equivalents, or the font you are using in > FrameMaker > > may not contain the symbol you used. > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:33 AM Caroline Tabach < > caroline.tab...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > I am working with Frame 2017 > > > > > > I am copying some things from Word 2013 to the document > > > > > > If I choose Paste Special/Text when I paste, there are strange > > question > > > marks in the pasted material. > > > > > > If I just click paste - I do not get this > > > > > > does anyone know what could be causing this? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Caroline Tabach > > > Technical/Marcom Writer > > > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > -- > Caroline Tabach > Technical/Marcom Writer > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Strange copy and past behaviour from Word
What was in place of the question marks when it was in Word? Some things don't have exact text equivalents, or the font you are using in FrameMaker may not contain the symbol you used. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:33 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > Hi > I am working with Frame 2017 > > I am copying some things from Word 2013 to the document > > If I choose Paste Special/Text when I paste, there are strange question > marks in the pasted material. > > If I just click paste - I do not get this > > does anyone know what could be causing this? > > thanks > > > -- > Caroline Tabach > Technical/Marcom Writer > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, Windows 10
I've added this as a Bug on the Adobe Tracker: FRMAKER-5286 https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5286 On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM Lin Sims wrote: > Windows 10 strikes again, it seems. As all may recall, the 1803 build of > Windows 10 bolluxed the ability of Framemaker to create PDF files. > Microsoft supposedly fixed this issue in July. > > Except not quite. We use SVG images in our Framemaker files, and as of > August 31, my coworker, who is on Windows 10, *cannot *create a PDF. In > fact, Frame freezes and has to be killed via TaskManager. > > I have Windows 7 on my work computer, and I *can *create a PDF from the > same files he can't. > > On my home computer, I have Windows 10 and Framemaker 2017 (same versions > as my coworker has at work). I tested several different documents, and got > the same results he did. > > We have fully updated Windows and fully updated Framemaker 2017 and fully > updated Acrobat Pro DC. I have tried switching from RGB to CMYK with no > success. I also tried running Framemaker in Windows 7 compatibility mode, > with no success. > > Who do I scream at at Microsoft to get this *FIXED*? We can, obviously, > workaround by using Visio files instead, but that means wrapping the sheet > size to the image, which is going to play hob with making changes if we > need to later on. Not a deal breaker, but damned inconvenient and it > wouldn't be necessary if Microsoft hadn't broken things to begin with. > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] File Info Oddity
There is a comma, and no, we don't do anything with it. It was just weird, so I thought I'd ask. Now, my OTHER new email about Frame 2017 failing to create a PDF file if there are SVG images in the file, THAT'S an issue! The same file that crashes Frame in Windows 10 will create a PDF with SVG images if the OS is Windows 7. So I know it's a Windows problem, but I can't track down when it was introduced because my coworker, whose file this is, had not updated Windows 10 in a long time and when he finally did, there were a LOT of updates. Before, it worked, now it doesn't. I tried the same file on my home system (which has Windows 10 Pro and FrameMaker 2017 and Adobe Acrobat DC Pro, all of which have all of their updates) and got the same issue. I don't use SVGs at home, though, so I also don't know when the issue got introduced. I thought Microsoft had FIXED this, and I am more than a little irritated that it still doesn't "just WORK". The issue seems to lie solely with SVG image files, btw. Anything else we use, and the PDf process just does what it's supposed to. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:25 AM David Artman wrote: >Yep, I bet there's a comma or some other non-alphanumeric character(s) >in the company name string. > >We just lived with it. Do you *do* anything with the Author property of >the PDF? For example, are you programmatically extracting it to use as >metadata in a portal and, as such, the quotes cause issues? If not, >what's the real issue with them? > >David > > Original Message >Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info Oddity >From: Tom Bain <[1]tom.b...@icloud.com> >Date: Fri, September 07, 2018 3:58 pm >To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'" ><[2]framers@lists.frameusers.com> >When I had a comma in my Author field, double quotes were added. When I >removed the comma, the quotes went away. >Tom Bain | Vice Chairman, Technology >BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA > Order of the Arrow >-Original Message- >From: Framers On >Behalf Of Lin Sims >Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 21:54 >To: Frame Users >Subject: [Framers] File Info Oddity >The File Info for the book file has the company name in the Author >field. >When the PDF generates, the company name is shown in the PDF >Properties, but >it has quote marks around it. The quote marks are not present in the >File >Info for the book. If I take the quote marks out of the Author field in >the >PDF properties, they reappear after saving the file. >I don't think I've ever seen this happen before, and I was wondering if >it >is something in my setup or just a Friday weirdness, or if Adobe just >doesn't like having punctuation in the Author field. >Windows 7 Pro, all updates (as far as I know) Framemaker 2017, fully >updated >Acrobat Acrobat Pro DC, 2015, fully updated >As an aside, is there any way to set up the following PDF properties in >Frame or the Distiller job options so I don't have to remember to check >them >all the time? >Navigation tab: Bookmarks Panel and Page Page layout: Single Page Open >to >page: 1 Resize Window to initial page (selected by default) >Show: Document Title >-- >Lin Sims >___ >This message is from the Framers mailing list >Send messages to [3]framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's >homepage at >[4]http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at >[5]http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >Subscribe and unsubscribe at >[6]http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >Send administrative questions to [7]listad...@frameusers.com >___ >This message is from the Framers mailing list >Send messages to [8]framers@lists.frameusers.com >Visit the list's homepage at [9]http://www.frameusers.com >Archives located at >[10]http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >Subscribe and unsubscribe at >[11]http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >Send administrative questions to [12]listad...@frameusers.com > > References > >1. mailto:tom.b...@icloud.com >2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com >3. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com >4. http://www.frameusers.com/ >5. http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com >6. http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >7. mailto:listad...@frameusers.com >8. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com &g
Re: [Framers] Save as PDF with Windows 10 and FM 2015
Our testing (so far) indicates this is only an issue with SVG. So far we've verified that Visio and JPG files do not cause a crash in FM 2017. We don't have 2015 so I can't give you any information on that, sorry. :( On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:41 PM Norton, Michael wrote: > Looks like I will soon be required to move to Windows 10. I am currently > on Windows 7 and am using FrameMaker 2015. > > Does this problem also affect FM 2015? > > I do not use .SVG files in my FrameMaker documents, but rather .PNG file. > > Thanks. > > Principal Technical Writer, Robotic Automation and Workforce Intelligence > | Pegasystems Inc. > Office: +1.678.527.5412 | Email: michael.nor...@pega.com michael.nor...@pega.com> | www.pega.com<http://www.pega.com/> > [cid:image010.jpg@01D1B110.021A0DB0]<http://www.pega.com/pega-can> > [cid:image011.jpg@01D1B110.021A0DB0] <https://www.twitter.com/pega> > [cid:image012.jpg@01D1B110.021A0DB0] < > https://www.facebook.com/pegasystems> > [cid:image013.jpg@01D1B110.021A0DB0] < > http://www.youtube.com/user/Pegasystems> > [cid:image019.jpg@01D1B110.021A0DB0] < > http://www.linkedin.com/company/pegasystems> > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1550 bytes > Desc: image001.jpg > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20180910/413802ca/attachment.jpg > > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image002.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 817 bytes > Desc: image002.jpg > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20180910/413802ca/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image003.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 780 bytes > Desc: image003.jpg > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20180910/413802ca/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image004.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 850 bytes > Desc: image004.jpg > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20180910/413802ca/attachment-0003.jpg > > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image005.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 814 bytes > Desc: image005.jpg > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20180910/413802ca/attachment-0004.jpg > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, Windows 10
Would anyone who has the Shiny! New! Improved! FrameMaker 2019 be willing to see if it, also, crashes when an SVG file is included? I'm even willing to provide a small SVG file that can be used to test with. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:14 AM Lin Sims wrote: > I've added this as a Bug on the Adobe Tracker: FRMAKER-5286 > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5286 > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM Lin Sims wrote: > >> Windows 10 strikes again, it seems. As all may recall, the 1803 build of >> Windows 10 bolluxed the ability of Framemaker to create PDF files. >> Microsoft supposedly fixed this issue in July. >> >> Except not quite. We use SVG images in our Framemaker files, and as of >> August 31, my coworker, who is on Windows 10, *cannot *create a PDF. In >> fact, Frame freezes and has to be killed via TaskManager. >> >> I have Windows 7 on my work computer, and I *can *create a PDF from the >> same files he can't. >> >> On my home computer, I have Windows 10 and Framemaker 2017 (same versions >> as my coworker has at work). I tested several different documents, and got >> the same results he did. >> >> We have fully updated Windows and fully updated Framemaker 2017 and fully >> updated Acrobat Pro DC. I have tried switching from RGB to CMYK with no >> success. I also tried running Framemaker in Windows 7 compatibility mode, >> with no success. >> >> Who do I scream at at Microsoft to get this *FIXED*? We can, obviously, >> workaround by using Visio files instead, but that means wrapping the sheet >> size to the image, which is going to play hob with making changes if we >> need to later on. Not a deal breaker, but damned inconvenient and it >> wouldn't be necessary if Microsoft hadn't broken things to begin with. >> >> -- >> Lin Sims >> > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] File Info Oddity
The File Info for the book file has the company name in the Author field. When the PDF generates, the company name is shown in the PDF Properties, but it has quote marks around it. The quote marks are not present in the File Info for the book. If I take the quote marks out of the Author field in the PDF properties, they reappear after saving the file. I don't think I've ever seen this happen before, and I was wondering if it is something in my setup or just a Friday weirdness, or if Adobe just doesn't like having punctuation in the Author field. Windows 7 Pro, all updates (as far as I know) Framemaker 2017, fully updated Acrobat Acrobat Pro DC, 2015, fully updated As an aside, is there any way to set up the following PDF properties in Frame or the Distiller job options so I don't have to remember to check them all the time? Navigation tab: Bookmarks Panel and Page Page layout: Single Page Open to page: 1 Resize Window to initial page (selected by default) Show: Document Title -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Frame 2019 Bug & Staus Update
Never mind, I found them. Why does Adobe make it so hard to find their bug tracker from their website? At any rate, I've upvoted all of these, although only 5251 and 5253 are deal breakers for me. The other two are very much along the lines of, how do you keep managing to break things that were working? On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 7:49 AM Lin Sims wrote: > Can you provide links to the bug reports so that others can vote on them? > All these are dealbreakers for me; I will not be upgrading unless they are > fixed and I want to tell Acrobat so, officially. > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:39 AM Oran Petersen wrote: > >> >> Frame 2019 Bugs & Status >> This is an update to my post of August 29. I have filed 4 bugs with Adobe >> on the new Frame. I have the TCS 2019 package. >> >> Save-As PDF: (Adobe Frame Bug #5251) Hooked to the new Publish function, >> unless someone can find a setting or button to make it work as it did in >> earlier Frame versions. Not practical for those that just wish to pop out a >> quick PDF like we could do in earlier versions. It is even worse than I >> thought, because the Publish function creates a folder of the file name >> (without extension) AND creates a PDF folder inside that one. Two more >> layers. You also get the file name with a .pdf extension inside the PDF >> folder, with no opportunity to pick a name. This might be necessary to >> publish any number of the 7 outputs with one button push, but Publish and >> Save-As PDF need to be totally disconnected for most of our process flows. >> Right now most Frame print settings are ignored, and default to the >> Publisher settings. Frame warns you of this with an intercept dialog, but >> seemingly does not allow you to change it. There is a "Use Distiller" check >> box in the Publish settings, but it does not work. I now try to "Print" >> with Adobe PDF set as the default printer. This escapes the Publish crap, >> but you still have to choose the folder and make sure the Print to >> Postscript is unchecked. You can change the file name as well. Except, on >> several occasions the print bypassed the Save-As choice and went straight >> to PDF. You then figure out which folder. Seems to be the Windows focused >> folder at the time. Messing with the Print Settings in the Print window >> seems to re-focus it to bring back the Save-As. Weird. The distiller is not >> used for this operation. It is all inside Frame and Acrobat 2017. Even >> non-Adobe apps are done without the distiller. >> >> Save-As PDF: (Adobe Frame Bug #5253) Frame Freeze! When the progress bar >> (new in 2019) hits 100% it just stops, forever, unless you use the task >> manager to kill Frame. I have found no other way to break out of this. Has >> now happened at least 5 times. It seems to work the 2nd time OK. Not sure >> of the trigger. Only seems to happen with Save-As PDF. No problem with this >> for the other print functions so far. No error message, no "Not Responding" >> indicator, no crash. >> >> Frame Window sizing across dual monitors with different resolution: >> (Adobe Frame Bug #5252) Frame finally got this fixed in Frame 2017 and now >> it is broken again in Frame 2019. This is a real pain when you use two >> monitors with significantly different resolutions, which I do. I found that >> by making the lower res monitor the "Main Display" that the Frame window >> text, etc. is OK on the lower res unit, but goes tiny if you move the >> window to the high res monitor. This means you cannot put dialog boxes on >> the high res monitor because they are not legible with the small font. Dual >> monitor use is now not an option with my setup for Frame authoring. >> >> "Go To Next" triangle (pointer) on the Frame window footer is >> inoperative/missing: (Adobe Frame Bug #5254). When on the First or Last >> page you see the small version of the triangle, but it does not work. When >> on other than First or Last, the triangle is simply gone. Page Down key is >> your alternative, or use the "Go To Page" dialog. >> >> I am very close to remaining with Frame 2017 until this stuff gets fixed. >> The file management & processing for PDF is just too messy. And I need the >> displays to work as they did in the 2017 version as well. >> >> If anyone has found fixes, workarounds or settings to help with this >> stuff, please let me know. >> >> I have been a Frame user, and Frame expert in a large company, since the >> beginning, 1980’s until recent retirement. I should know better than to >> take on a new version out of
Re: [Framers] Frame 2019 Bug & Staus Update
Can you provide links to the bug reports so that others can vote on them? All these are dealbreakers for me; I will not be upgrading unless they are fixed and I want to tell Acrobat so, officially. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:39 AM Oran Petersen wrote: > > Frame 2019 Bugs & Status > This is an update to my post of August 29. I have filed 4 bugs with Adobe > on the new Frame. I have the TCS 2019 package. > > Save-As PDF: (Adobe Frame Bug #5251) Hooked to the new Publish function, > unless someone can find a setting or button to make it work as it did in > earlier Frame versions. Not practical for those that just wish to pop out a > quick PDF like we could do in earlier versions. It is even worse than I > thought, because the Publish function creates a folder of the file name > (without extension) AND creates a PDF folder inside that one. Two more > layers. You also get the file name with a .pdf extension inside the PDF > folder, with no opportunity to pick a name. This might be necessary to > publish any number of the 7 outputs with one button push, but Publish and > Save-As PDF need to be totally disconnected for most of our process flows. > Right now most Frame print settings are ignored, and default to the > Publisher settings. Frame warns you of this with an intercept dialog, but > seemingly does not allow you to change it. There is a "Use Distiller" check > box in the Publish settings, but it does not work. I now try to "Print" > with Adobe PDF set as the default printer. This escapes the Publish crap, > but you still have to choose the folder and make sure the Print to > Postscript is unchecked. You can change the file name as well. Except, on > several occasions the print bypassed the Save-As choice and went straight > to PDF. You then figure out which folder. Seems to be the Windows focused > folder at the time. Messing with the Print Settings in the Print window > seems to re-focus it to bring back the Save-As. Weird. The distiller is not > used for this operation. It is all inside Frame and Acrobat 2017. Even > non-Adobe apps are done without the distiller. > > Save-As PDF: (Adobe Frame Bug #5253) Frame Freeze! When the progress bar > (new in 2019) hits 100% it just stops, forever, unless you use the task > manager to kill Frame. I have found no other way to break out of this. Has > now happened at least 5 times. It seems to work the 2nd time OK. Not sure > of the trigger. Only seems to happen with Save-As PDF. No problem with this > for the other print functions so far. No error message, no "Not Responding" > indicator, no crash. > > Frame Window sizing across dual monitors with different resolution: (Adobe > Frame Bug #5252) Frame finally got this fixed in Frame 2017 and now it is > broken again in Frame 2019. This is a real pain when you use two monitors > with significantly different resolutions, which I do. I found that by > making the lower res monitor the "Main Display" that the Frame window text, > etc. is OK on the lower res unit, but goes tiny if you move the window to > the high res monitor. This means you cannot put dialog boxes on the high > res monitor because they are not legible with the small font. Dual monitor > use is now not an option with my setup for Frame authoring. > > "Go To Next" triangle (pointer) on the Frame window footer is > inoperative/missing: (Adobe Frame Bug #5254). When on the First or Last > page you see the small version of the triangle, but it does not work. When > on other than First or Last, the triangle is simply gone. Page Down key is > your alternative, or use the "Go To Page" dialog. > > I am very close to remaining with Frame 2017 until this stuff gets fixed. > The file management & processing for PDF is just too messy. And I need the > displays to work as they did in the 2017 version as well. > > If anyone has found fixes, workarounds or settings to help with this > stuff, please let me know. > > I have been a Frame user, and Frame expert in a large company, since the > beginning, 1980’s until recent retirement. I should know better than to > take on a new version out of the gate. I was a beta tester in earlier days, > so I have seen all of the new version disasters and more. > Oran Petersen > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___
Re: [Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, Windows 10
And further testing indicates that the issue occurs if Illustrator or Photoshop is used to alter the background to white (if it wasn't white to start with). The Adobe personnel are also seeing this as an issue in Illustrator, so it is apparently NOT just a FrameMaker issue. Yay? But, progress! On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:09 AM Lin Sims wrote: > Adobe is working with it. Thanks to them, we've narrowed it down to "not > all SVG files" but "any SVG created by pasting a photograph into a Visio > file that is exported to SVG". > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 4:16 AM Gust, Dieter wrote: > >> I checked FM 2019 with an imported SVG file: no crash! >> Please send an SVG file >> >> Regards Dieter Gust >> dieter.g...@itl.eu >> itl AG >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> Von: Framers >> Im Auftrag von Lin Sims >> Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2018 19:59 >> An: Frame Users >> Betreff: Re: [Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, >> Windows 10 >> >> Would anyone who has the Shiny! New! Improved! FrameMaker 2019 be willing >> to see if it, also, crashes when an SVG file is included? I'm even willing >> to provide a small SVG file that can be used to test with. >> >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:14 AM Lin Sims wrote: >> >> > I've added this as a Bug on the Adobe Tracker: FRMAKER-5286 >> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5286 >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM Lin Sims wrote: >> > >> >> Windows 10 strikes again, it seems. As all may recall, the 1803 build >> >> of Windows 10 bolluxed the ability of Framemaker to create PDF files. >> >> Microsoft supposedly fixed this issue in July. >> >> >> >> Except not quite. We use SVG images in our Framemaker files, and as >> >> of August 31, my coworker, who is on Windows 10, *cannot *create a >> >> PDF. In fact, Frame freezes and has to be killed via TaskManager. >> >> >> >> I have Windows 7 on my work computer, and I *can *create a PDF from >> >> the same files he can't. >> >> >> >> On my home computer, I have Windows 10 and Framemaker 2017 (same >> >> versions as my coworker has at work). I tested several different >> >> documents, and got the same results he did. >> >> >> >> We have fully updated Windows and fully updated Framemaker 2017 and >> >> fully updated Acrobat Pro DC. I have tried switching from RGB to CMYK >> >> with no success. I also tried running Framemaker in Windows 7 >> >> compatibility mode, with no success. >> >> >> >> Who do I scream at at Microsoft to get this *FIXED*? We can, >> >> obviously, workaround by using Visio files instead, but that means >> >> wrapping the sheet size to the image, which is going to play hob with >> >> making changes if we need to later on. Not a deal breaker, but damned >> >> inconvenient and it wouldn't be necessary if Microsoft hadn't broken >> things to begin with. >> >> Lin Sims >> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, Windows 10
Adobe is working with it. Thanks to them, we've narrowed it down to "not all SVG files" but "any SVG created by pasting a photograph into a Visio file that is exported to SVG". On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 4:16 AM Gust, Dieter wrote: > I checked FM 2019 with an imported SVG file: no crash! > Please send an SVG file > > Regards Dieter Gust > dieter.g...@itl.eu > itl AG > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Framers Im > Auftrag von Lin Sims > Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2018 19:59 > An: Frame Users > Betreff: Re: [Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, > Windows 10 > > Would anyone who has the Shiny! New! Improved! FrameMaker 2019 be willing > to see if it, also, crashes when an SVG file is included? I'm even willing > to provide a small SVG file that can be used to test with. > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:14 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > I've added this as a Bug on the Adobe Tracker: FRMAKER-5286 > > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5286 > > > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > >> Windows 10 strikes again, it seems. As all may recall, the 1803 build > >> of Windows 10 bolluxed the ability of Framemaker to create PDF files. > >> Microsoft supposedly fixed this issue in July. > >> > >> Except not quite. We use SVG images in our Framemaker files, and as > >> of August 31, my coworker, who is on Windows 10, *cannot *create a > >> PDF. In fact, Frame freezes and has to be killed via TaskManager. > >> > >> I have Windows 7 on my work computer, and I *can *create a PDF from > >> the same files he can't. > >> > >> On my home computer, I have Windows 10 and Framemaker 2017 (same > >> versions as my coworker has at work). I tested several different > >> documents, and got the same results he did. > >> > >> We have fully updated Windows and fully updated Framemaker 2017 and > >> fully updated Acrobat Pro DC. I have tried switching from RGB to CMYK > >> with no success. I also tried running Framemaker in Windows 7 > >> compatibility mode, with no success. > >> > >> Who do I scream at at Microsoft to get this *FIXED*? We can, > >> obviously, workaround by using Visio files instead, but that means > >> wrapping the sheet size to the image, which is going to play hob with > >> making changes if we need to later on. Not a deal breaker, but damned > >> inconvenient and it wouldn't be necessary if Microsoft hadn't broken > things to begin with. > >> Lin Sims > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes
Indeed! On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Bug fixes are preferred over workarounds, that's for sure. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 3:39 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes > > You did! But I had added my name to the bug report and when I got an > update, I thought I'd pass the information along. :) > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > > > Hi Lin, > > > > I am not sure if I suggested it on the list, but you could make a > > variable for the minus sign and make a character format to make it a > > bit wider. Then you could insert the variable where you want the > > negative sign and it would automatically be stretched to your liking. > > Not the most elegant approach, but workable. > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc. > > r...@frameexpert.com > > 585-729-6746 NEW! > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > > > > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 2:38 PM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes > > > > The minus sign is too short. > > > > Well, maybe I should talk to my coworker about that. The place I last > > worked mandated use of an en-dash to indicate a negative number. We > > may not do that here, although I think it's a good idea since it makes > > it a little easier to distinguish between a minus sign and the sign > > indicating a negative number. > > > > In any case, having the behaviour return to keep together if there's > > no space between en/em-dashes and the following number would be nice. > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson > > wrote: > > > > > You can also use the minus sign (Unicode8) U+2212. That works. > > > FM is not very handy at making it easy but you can add it using the > > > Windows Character Map or the FM Utilities > Hex Input. > > > > > > My 2 bits. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2018-07-05 18:02 GMT+00:00 Lin Sims : > > > > > > > Update on this. I got an email from Adobe yesterday morning that > > > > the > > > status > > > > was changed from Open to In Test. > > > > > > > > We may have a fix RSN. > > > > > > > > Also, I believe that the latest FrameMaker update has fixed the > > > > RGB/CMYK bug. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Lin Sims > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Used to be if you put an en dash in front of something with no > > > > > space between, the en dash would stick to the something if it > > > > > wrapped to the > > > > next > > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't do that anymore, which is bad for me as I use it > > > > > instead of > > > a > > > > > hyphen to indicate negative numbers. This has been reported as a > > > > > bug to Adobe, but until they fix it (soon? please?), is there a > > > > > *trivial > > > > *solution/workaround? > > > > > (By trivial, I mean minimal number of steps and time involved.) > > > > > > > > > > For those interested, the bug is here: https://forums.adobe. > > > > > com/thread/2459590 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Lin Sims > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Lin Sims > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > >
Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes
Update on this. I got an email from Adobe yesterday morning that the status was changed from Open to In Test. We may have a fix RSN. Also, I believe that the latest FrameMaker update has fixed the RGB/CMYK bug. On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > Used to be if you put an en dash in front of something with no space > between, the en dash would stick to the something if it wrapped to the next > line. > > It doesn't do that anymore, which is bad for me as I use it instead of a > hyphen to indicate negative numbers. This has been reported as a bug to > Adobe, but until they fix it (soon? please?), is there a *trivial > *solution/workaround? > (By trivial, I mean minimal number of steps and time involved.) > > For those interested, the bug is here: https://forums.adobe. > com/thread/2459590 > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes
The minus sign is too short. Well, maybe I should talk to my coworker about that. The place I last worked mandated use of an en-dash to indicate a negative number. We may not do that here, although I think it's a good idea since it makes it a little easier to distinguish between a minus sign and the sign indicating a negative number. In any case, having the behaviour return to keep together if there's no space between en/em-dashes and the following number would be nice. On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote: > You can also use the minus sign (Unicode8) U+2212. That works. > FM is not very handy at making it easy but you can add it using the Windows > Character Map or the FM Utilities > Hex Input. > > My 2 bits. > > Cheers, > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson > > > > > > > 2018-07-05 18:02 GMT+00:00 Lin Sims : > > > Update on this. I got an email from Adobe yesterday morning that the > status > > was changed from Open to In Test. > > > > We may have a fix RSN. > > > > Also, I believe that the latest FrameMaker update has fixed the RGB/CMYK > > bug. > > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > Used to be if you put an en dash in front of something with no space > > > between, the en dash would stick to the something if it wrapped to the > > next > > > line. > > > > > > It doesn't do that anymore, which is bad for me as I use it instead of > a > > > hyphen to indicate negative numbers. This has been reported as a bug to > > > Adobe, but until they fix it (soon? please?), is there a *trivial > > *solution/workaround? > > > (By trivial, I mean minimal number of steps and time involved.) > > > > > > For those interested, the bug is here: https://forums.adobe. > > > com/thread/2459590 > > > > > > -- > > > Lin Sims > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes
You did! But I had added my name to the bug report and when I got an update, I thought I'd pass the information along. :) On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Lin, > > I am not sure if I suggested it on the list, but you could make a variable > for the minus sign and make a character format to make it a bit wider. Then > you could insert the variable where you want the negative sign and it would > automatically be stretched to your liking. Not the most elegant approach, > but workable. > > Rick > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-729-6746 NEW! > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 2:38 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes > > The minus sign is too short. > > Well, maybe I should talk to my coworker about that. The place I last > worked mandated use of an en-dash to indicate a negative number. We may not > do that here, although I think it's a good idea since it makes it a little > easier to distinguish between a minus sign and the sign indicating a > negative number. > > In any case, having the behaviour return to keep together if there's no > space between en/em-dashes and the following number would be nice. > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson > wrote: > > > You can also use the minus sign (Unicode8) U+2212. That works. > > FM is not very handy at making it easy but you can add it using the > > Windows Character Map or the FM Utilities > Hex Input. > > > > My 2 bits. > > > > Cheers, > > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2018-07-05 18:02 GMT+00:00 Lin Sims : > > > > > Update on this. I got an email from Adobe yesterday morning that the > > status > > > was changed from Open to In Test. > > > > > > We may have a fix RSN. > > > > > > Also, I believe that the latest FrameMaker update has fixed the > > > RGB/CMYK bug. > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > > > Used to be if you put an en dash in front of something with no > > > > space between, the en dash would stick to the something if it > > > > wrapped to the > > > next > > > > line. > > > > > > > > It doesn't do that anymore, which is bad for me as I use it > > > > instead of > > a > > > > hyphen to indicate negative numbers. This has been reported as a > > > > bug to Adobe, but until they fix it (soon? please?), is there a > > > > *trivial > > > *solution/workaround? > > > > (By trivial, I mean minimal number of steps and time involved.) > > > > > > > > For those interested, the bug is here: https://forums.adobe. > > > > com/thread/2459590 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Lin Sims > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lin Sims > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe > > and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.c
Re: [Framers] Update on printing issue with Windows 10 1803 Build
I spoke to Adobe a few days ago while getting an Acrobat registration issue
fixed, and the woman I talked to claimed that the latest patch fixed it. I
don't have the Windows 10 1803 patch installed yet, so I haven't tested to
see if this is the case. If you haven't done so recently, update FM and
Acrobat.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Tori Muir
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> any additional info on this issue, specifically when the fix might be
> released to the general public? We're still unable to save to PDF from
> Frame and are having frequent issues printing Frame docs.
>
> Tori Muir
> tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
>
>
> From: Stefan Gentz
> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"
> Date: 06/14/2018 03:27 AM
> Subject:[Framers] Update on printing issue with Windows 10
> 1803
> Build
> Sent by:"Framers"
>
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Just to update you on Windows 10 (1803 build) issue which impacted
> File ->
> Print and File -> Save as PDF options with FrameMaker (Versions 12,
> 2015,
> and 2017).
>
> We have been working closely with the Microsoft team on this issue,
> and
> recently an insider Windows 10 build was released:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blogs.
> windows.com_windowsexperience_2018_06_06_announcing-
> 2Dwindows-2D10-2Dinsider-2Dpreview-2Dbuild-2D17686_=DwICAg=
> euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_
> mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=EzsTqFcqMMeruyw65WC106Ka_VJ-jsuk87F39NQ3FN0=
> hy4Cqk3eifkw2fWpZmhxwZTb8IEzlnbIYsb264peE4k=
>
>
> We have started testing out the issue that was reported on this
> insider
> build and the initial testing indicates that this issue has been
> resolved.
> We are still in the process of further verification and confirming
> that
> the issue has been resolved back to Microsoft team.
>
> For those of you who have access to Windows 10 Insider preview builds
> (or
> would like to get enrolled in the beta program for Windows) , please
> visit
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__
> insider.windows.com_en-2Dus_=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-
> v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=
> EzsTqFcqMMeruyw65WC106Ka_VJ-jsuk87F39NQ3FN0=
> bfyRGemGm6k8e2xJQx3RaMFtTX2tf-9hWeSy4EAuKkA=
> and try the new preview build. Once installed, if you check you
> Windows
> version it should show screenshot as below ("Version 1803 (OS Build
> 17686.10003"):
>
> [cid:image001.png@01D403C1.E480E150]
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Stefan Gentz
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?
Made me chuckle, too. My latest grievance, however, was the way you can't tell where the cross-reference bookmarks are invisible by default and barely visible if you know how to fiddle the settings (I didn't), so when I moved some text in front of a heading, all the text got included in the cross-reference to that heading when I regenerated, sometimes recursively. That REALLY sucked. My document exploded from 40 pages to almost 200 thanks to that little trick. On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Lise Bible <rentagoodb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think I've got any "advanced Frame" ideas to add, but Bernard, your > Word list example made me chuckle. > -Lise > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Bernard Aschwanden < > bern...@publishingsmarter.com> wrote: > > > Lin: Consider making a list of why Word annoys you and share it with > others > > internally or on the list here. > > > > For example: > > > > 1. Numbering > >a. Restarting and continuing lists > >b. Subordinate lists > > 4. Resetting numbering > >c. within lists > >d. between lists > > 5. Just get me FM > > > > > > > > > > As for Advanced Users: First off, is it an advanced user who creates > > content > > as an author or one who builds templates? Or even one who has to work > with > > structure and build/maintain the EDD? > > > > In all cases, a few things to think about or ask them about: > > > > Do they know about this discussion list? > > How long have they used FM? > > Can they define what a reference page, master page, and body page is and > > does? > > Do they know what text frames and text lines are? > > Do they import images by reference? > > Can they troubleshoot numbering (see the above sample)? > > How do they manage paragraph or character tags? > > Can they import formats between documents? > > How do they propose to deal with a document that has manual overrides in > > it? > > Can they generate a book, TOC, and IX file from templates without > guidance? > > Is there something that YOU learn from them about the tool? > > How did they learn FM? > > > > That's a short list from me. Oh, and add in this one: Have them teach > you a > > feature (even if you know it) and see what their workflow is. > > > > Bernard > > > > PS. I also used to ask for a cover letter and resume in FM format. > Serious > > users provided me with a way to gauge how they use the tool for a > document > > that may have unique challenges. I got to see their approach to tags, > empty > > paragraphs, watermarks, variables, or whatever else they felt like > putting > > into it. A great insight. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > > [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com@ > lists.frameusers.com > > ] > > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:27 AM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user? > > > > That's WORD users who do that! > > > > (Finally back in the workforce, currently using Word because until > > yesterday I was a contractor, not an employee. Hoping they get me Frame > > soon, because Word is driving me right up a tree.) > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Advanced FM users usually have kind of a 1000 yard stare... > > > And may have little square marks on their faces from banging their > heads > > on > > > the keyboard. > > > > > > > > > Art Campbell > > > art.campb...@gmail.com > > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > > and > > > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > > No disclaimers > > apply. > > >DoD 358 > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Robert Lauriston < > rob...@lauriston.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If I had a badly maintained FrameMaker book with a lot of cruft on > the > > > > reference pages, inconsistent styles, and so on, I'd ask them to > > > > identify problems and say how they'd clean them up. > > > > > > > > I'd ask to see one or more templates they'd created and have them >
Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?
That's WORD users who do that! (Finally back in the workforce, currently using Word because until yesterday I was a contractor, not an employee. Hoping they get me Frame soon, because Word is driving me right up a tree.) On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Advanced FM users usually have kind of a 1000 yard stare... > And may have little square marks on their faces from banging their heads on > the keyboard. > > > Art Campbell > art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. >DoD 358 > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> > wrote: > > > If I had a badly maintained FrameMaker book with a lot of cruft on the > > reference pages, inconsistent styles, and so on, I'd ask them to > > identify problems and say how they'd clean them up. > > > > I'd ask to see one or more templates they'd created and have them > > detail the process of creating a new book from them. > > > > Actually, the first thing I'd suggest would be to consider whether > > it's time to move on from FrameMaker. > > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Carol J. Elkins > > <celk...@awrittenword.com> wrote: > > > Over the next couple of years, I need to help my major client find and > > train > > > an in-house replacement for me as I wind down my freelance practice. > They > > > will not consider an independent contractor next time, so it may be > > harder > > > to recruit and identify someone with the required skills. I've built 20 > > > years of documentation for this client in unstructured Framemaker, and > > > managing these thousands of documents and books depends less on someone > > > being a good technical writer than being an excellent Framemaker user. > > > > > > For those of you who are corporate employers, I'd like to know how you > > > screen candidates to identify those who truly are advanced Framemaker > > users. > > > Is there a test you employ? Do you ask them to build a template from > > > scratch? Are there certifications that you require? Do you use a > > recruiting > > > service? How would you locate qualified candidates (in addition to > > posting > > > to Frameusers)? > > > > > > Note that I am NOT recruiting; that is still a few years down the road > > 8-). > > > I just need to start thinking about the best way to replace myself. My > > > long-time designated backup is also planning to retire in the next > > couple of > > > years, so I have to start again to find the best person for my job. I > am > > > willing to train them how to do my job, but it requires their already > > being > > > a master of Framemaker. > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Sandybrook Enhance
Silicon Prairie has an Outline Tool for $10, but as I never used the either it or Enhance, I can't tell you if it'll do what you want. You can find information on it here: https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Michael Heine <mhe...@uwo.ca> wrote: > One of the reasons I am still using Frame 8 for text production is > Sandybrook's highly useful Enhance outline tool - not compatible with Frame > 9 and later. Are listers aware of any alternatives for later versions of > Frame? (I am using unstructured Frame only, and my main kludge alternative > is the old Frame 8 'numeric outline' template, but it isn't quite the same > thing.) > Cheers, > Mike > > -- > Michael Heine > School of Kinesiology > Director, International Centre for Olympic Studies > Western University > London > Canada > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 - Pros, cons and import from Word
If there are lots of tables, have them buy TableCleaner from Rick Quattro. It will save you HOURS of time. On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:09 AM, <bern...@publishingsmarter.com> wrote: > From a day-to-day author perspective it will feel similar enough. You have > menu reorganization of course, but the F7 key will be your friend (press it > almost anywhere for a quick contextual search of functions). For the import > of Word the biggest issues are how styles are used in the source (if not at > all, then the issue is starting with crappy semantic markup of content), > images, xrefs, tables. However, it works pretty well. I got to demo it a > few times at events and conferences, and I've used the import myself a > decent amount. > > Again, boils down to the source quality for it. > > Bernard > > > - Original Message - > From: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Sent: 4/25/18 7:14 AM > Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 - Pros, cons and import from Word > > > Hi > > > > I used FrameMaker 2015 in my previous position. > > > > My new employers offered to buy FrameMaker 2017. > > > > 1. What are the main differences between the versions? > > > > 2. What is hard to get used to? > > > > 3. I have to import their guides from Word. I did this in my previous job > > many years ago. I understand the workflow is much better now. The guide > is > > a 390 page word doc, the others are much smaller. Tip, Tricks, hints > > anything to beware of? > > > > > > thanks > > > > -- > > Caroline Tabach > > Technical Writer > > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Transfer from FrameMaker into Word
Depends on whether the people doing the maintenance have any real Word experience, I guess. Converting from PDF to Word will give you a Word document that looks like the PDF, all right, but there will be no styles. EVERYTHING will be Normal + whatever. If they do all their formatting on the fly, they may not care (until they have to fix numbering or something). If they know how to use styles and want to, you'll have to create a Word template and test it, export from Frame to RTF, attach the Word template and update the styles, then scan through each doc and make sure the import and style applications worked. Good luck. On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Janie Cole <janiewoodc...@gmail.com> wrote: > My contract is ending and no one else at the company knows how to use > FrameMaker. > They have asked me to convert the SOPs that I produced for them into Word > so others can maintain after I'm gone. > > All the docs are saved as PDF for general use. I'm thinking converting the > PDF to Word might be the best route. > > Any thoughts or alternate suggestions? > > Thanks, > Janie Cole > Technical Writer > janiewoodc...@gmail.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 - Pros, cons and import from Word
You could probably run the template through saving as RTF and then importing into Frame to get the basic styles converted to tags, although I've never done that. Word and Frame handle numbering very differently, and that could cause an issue if that's all you do. Whoever set up the Word template might also have used Word's Figure and Table captioning tool, which could cause issues if you want chapter numbers included as part of the figure or table numbering. When I've done it, I've always had a built-from-scratch Frame template set up with tag names identical to the Word style names. You'll still do some hand-editing, but it would get you about 85-90% of the way. On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Caroline Tabach <caroline.tab...@gmail.com > wrote: > Thanks. > Currently there is no FrameMaker template of course. > > What is the best thing to do? > The Word template seems very well built. Should I choose to use all the > Word styles? > > Caroline Tabach > > בתאריך יום ד׳, 25 באפר׳ 2018, 16:10, מאת <bern...@publishingsmarter.com>: > > > From a day-to-day author perspective it will feel similar enough. You > have > > menu reorganization of course, but the F7 key will be your friend (press > it > > almost anywhere for a quick contextual search of functions). For the > import > > of Word the biggest issues are how styles are used in the source (if not > at > > all, then the issue is starting with crappy semantic markup of content), > > images, xrefs, tables. However, it works pretty well. I got to demo it a > > few times at events and conferences, and I've used the import myself a > > decent amount. > > > > Again, boils down to the source quality for it. > > > > Bernard > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Sent: 4/25/18 7:14 AM > > Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 - Pros, cons and import from Word > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I used FrameMaker 2015 in my previous position. > > > > > > My new employers offered to buy FrameMaker 2017. > > > > > > 1. What are the main differences between the versions? > > > > > > 2. What is hard to get used to? > > > > > > 3. I have to import their guides from Word. I did this in my previous > job > > > many years ago. I understand the workflow is much better now. The guide > > is > > > a 390 page word doc, the others are much smaller. Tip, Tricks, hints > > > anything to beware of? > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -- > > > Caroline Tabach > > > Technical Writer > > > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Transfer from FrameMaker into Word
Another thought is that if your version of Frame is old enough (Frame 10 or 11, I think?), you can use Mif2Go to make a clean conversion from MIF to RTF. I've never really used Mif2Go, though, so I can't tell you whether the out-of-the-box conversion will do what you need or if it needs to be tweaked. Since Jeremy's death, Mif2Go has become freeware; but as far as I know, no one has had the opportunity or know-how to update it to today's API. It can be downloaded from Github: https://github.com/omsys-dev/original-source On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Kevin Ryan <kr...@harriscomputer.com> wrote: > I would advise against using Acrobat's "Save as Microsoft Word" function. > When I tried this, Acrobat would produce an exquisite-*looking* copy of my > PDF. But the moment I'd try to edit the file in Word, the layout would do > silly things like wrap off the page into oblivion. I call it the "House of > Cards" conversion as it looked great until I touched it and it imploded. > Lots of disconnected text boxes with no flow. > > Kevin Ryan > > > Kevin Ryan > Technical Writer, Research & Development > P: 802-865-1170x82412 > F: 802-865-1171 > E: kr...@harriscomputer.com > 426 Industrial Avenue Suite 140 > Williston, Vermont > 05495 > www.ssivt.com > This message has been sent on behalf > of a company that is part of the Harris Operating Group of > Constellation Software Inc. These companies are listed > here > . > If you > prefer not to be contacted by Harris Operating Group > please notify > us > . > This message is intended exclusively for the > individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication > may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or > confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are > not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, > retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you > have received this message in error, please notify the sender > immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the > message. > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??
Hi Caroline, I've only played with groups a folders a little, so there's not much I can tell you. I can say that using a folder will change how your headings are numbered, but using a group won't. On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 1:25 AM Caroline Tabach wrote: > Lin > thanks for getting back to me. > > Are there people with experience with groups? > > I will look up those numbering articles and think about either this > suggestion, or the suggestion of using conditional text. > > I have to present the ideas to the SMEs next week > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 2:34 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > My apologies if this response is late; I've been on vacation. > > > > Assuming I understand the situation you are describing, I think your best > > choice is number 2. There are a number of good guides that describe how > to > > use FrameMaker's numbering blocks to set up some pretty complicated > > numbering schemes without too much difficulty (I'd recommend the ones by > > Lester Smalley and Dan Emory and I can probably dig those up for you if > you > > can't find them on the web), and once those are set up all you have to do > > is regenerate the book when you go to publish, which you'd have to do > > anyway for the Table of Contents. > > > > You might also want to look into using Groups, which I believe will let > you > > use individual files (your boxes) as sections of a chapter (your > families) > > without having to mess too much with the numbering scheme. I haven't used > > Groups, though, so I can't provide too much advice on that. The only > caveat > > here is that each box will start on a new page, because that's how > > FrameMaker handles files collected into a book. > > > > I do not think text insets is a good choice here, since you would have to > > relink the text insets every time you create a book depending on what's > > used for a particular customer and that could get both tedious and error > > prone depending on how many customers you have. > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:24 AM Caroline Tabach < > caroline.tab...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have converted the very large Word user guide to FrameMaker. I am > > using > > > Unstructured Frame 2017 > > > > > > This is a guide for a product which has general information about how > to > > > use the product at the beginning, and a few chapters with general > > > information at the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > The product is made up of 100 "boxes" which belong to 5 families (I > am > > > just calling them boxes for the sake of the example) > > > > > > The FrameMaker book I made uses only chapters, not volumes, there is a > > > chapter for each box family, with information about each of the boxes > in > > > that family. > > > > > > Each customer only needs to user 4 or 5 "boxes", so we want to make > user > > > guides that are smaller and more focused > > > > > > I have made a book with everything in it, and now I want to show the > SME > > > how we can use Frame to make smaller guides. I am wondering about the > > best > > > way to do this. > > > > > > 1. Make 5 books each with one box family in it, which will contain info > > > about all the boxes in that family as well as the general information. > > end > > > users will receive the guide with info about the box family, they will > > have > > > info about 15 boxes even if they only bought one > > > > > > 2. Redo the guide that I did and make the box families to be volumes, > and > > > then each box is a chapter. . > > > > > > This means it will be easy to add or remove boxes from the guide, this > > also > > > means it is possible to customize the guides per customers > > > The company are using heading numbering, so this means redoing all of > the > > > heading of all the paragraph styles, which might get complicated > > > > > > 3. Another idea I had was to set the book up as described above, with a > > > chapter for each box family, but to have each box as a text inset, and > be > > > able to create user guides per box. Highly customizing this, but means > I > > > don't have to mess with the numbering, but maybe this will make life > > > complicated > > > > > > What would you recommend? > > > > > > Are there advantages and disadvantages of each method? > > > >
