Re: [Framers] Installable FrameMaker

2019-06-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
I've been hearing those rumors for years.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 8:20 AM Richard Melanson
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>
> Everyone,
>
> I heard that Adobe is discontinuing support for any type of upgrade for 
> perpetual licenses. The Adobe Software assurance is getting eliminated. Can 
> anyone confirm??
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Re: [Framers] Installable FrameMaker

2019-06-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Whichever license you buy, you always have to download and install it.
You can buy a one-year license for $360 (which you can pay up front or
in monthly installments of $30) or a permanent license for $1000.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:55 PM Hedley Finger  wrote:
>
> I've been away for a very long time. Is it possible to download FM with a
> licence and install it on your own computer? Or is only available by
> (crippling) monthly subscription?
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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
I think Adobe Classroom in a Book is still good for most unstructured features.

I don't know if there are any solid resources for structured. I
couldn't find any when I was looking a few years ago.

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 10:53 PM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> Hi
> A friend of mine needs to start working with FrameMaker.
>
> What resources do you recommend to help her get started and understand how
> it works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast as possible?
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Re: [Framers] Font not available

2019-05-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
Have you tried saving as MIF and inspecting the problem paragraph?

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:06 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
 I am getting this message when I save as PDF from FrameMaker 2019.
>
>
>
> The "Times" Font is not available.
>
>   It will be replaced by "Times New Roman".
>
>
>
> It is causing my document to reflow when I create a PDF. I am not using
> Times in the document.
>
>
>
> I can see where the reflow is taking place: a paragraph that was two lines
> is now one line. But that paragraph uses Arial so I don't get why it reflows
> when I switch to the Adobe PDF printer. Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: [Framers] Hyperlink to a specific page in a PDF file

2019-05-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
That's weird that the PDF opens but the page parameter is ignored.

What if you put the target PDF on a web server?

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 6:03 AM Yves Barbion  wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Meanwhile, I have tried in all (in Fm 2017):
>
>- openpage filename(including the absolute path):pagenumber
>- gotopage filename(including the absolute path):pagenumber
>- message URL file://c:/dita/myfile.pdf#page=5
><http://example.org/doc.pdf#page=5>
>
> The referenced PDF file opens, but not on the page specified in my
> hyperlink.
>
> I even tried it with Fm 2019, but then the PDF file doesn't even open.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Yves
>
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 19:07, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
>
> > message URL http://example.org/doc.pdf#page=5
> >
> >
> > https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/pdf_open_parameters.pdf
> >
> > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 4:55 AM Yves Barbion 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi group
> > >
> > > In my Framemaker file, I want to insert a hyperlink to a specific page in
> > > an external PDF file. Any idea whether this is possible? I have tried the
> > > following but that doesn't work:
> > >
> > > message openfile filenale.pdf#5
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Re: [Framers] Hyperlink to a specific page in a PDF file

2019-05-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
message URL http://example.org/doc.pdf#page=5

https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/pdf_open_parameters.pdf

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 4:55 AM Yves Barbion  wrote:
>
> Hi group
>
> In my Framemaker file, I want to insert a hyperlink to a specific page in
> an external PDF file. Any idea whether this is possible? I have tried the
> following but that doesn't work:
>
> message openfile filenale.pdf#5
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
If you're going to be publishing both PDF and online help, that's what I'd do.

The developers should let you know when they add a new context ID. If
they neglect to, when you notice a new ? button in the UI you can ask
them.

Again, be sure when the help call encounters an unmapped context IDs
it opens a default page.

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:51 AM Art Campbell  wrote:
>
> So, based on Caroline's and Robert's info and contributions, and  thoughts
> from everyone else, I'm going to reccommend that our starting point for a
> coding spec be the Frame-to-RoboHelp workflow, with us, doc, retaining
> control of the map file. TBD is how the coders would inform us / update
> with new hooks on the code side.
>
> Does that sound reasonable to y'all? After we do a couple projects, we will
> revisit and tune.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
The Using FrameMaker topic says it creates a "sample" map file which
you can use "as a reference to create your map file." What does that
mean?

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html

It doesn't sound like it handles updates the way RoboHelp does.

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:02 AM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> In the link you sent, it says that the FrameMaker publish procedure creates
> a sample h file.
>
> And it does indeed.
>
> Unfortunately, as you noted, creating HTML 5 help is not documented well
> enough in the Frame help.
>
>
>
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:20 Robert Lauriston,  wrote:
>
> > Caroline said via email that FrameMaker does generate the map file
> > automatically. Is that true? The documentation explicitly says you
> > must create it with a text editor:
> >
> >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
> > > file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
> > > a text editor invites human error.
> > >
> > > The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
> > > Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
> > > applications.
> > >
> > > The help  calls you described in
> > > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
> > > strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
> > > hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
> > > similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
> > > later had resulted in many broken links.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston, 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> > > > > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> > > > > help.
> > > > >
> > > > > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> > > > >
> > > > > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> > > > > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston <
> > rob...@lauriston.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're
> > using
> > > > > > FrameMaker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > > > > > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft
> > HTML
> > > > > > Help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll
> > have
> > > > > > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose
> > WebHelp
> > > > > > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > > > > > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in
> > the
> > > > > > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > > > > > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > &g

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
Given that you have RoboHelp:

If this will be distributed as online help only, I'd create the doc in RoboHelp.

If you'll be single-sourcing to both online help and PDF, I strongly
recommend putting the source in FrameMaker and linking to RoboHelp.
It's a big time-saver to be able to see and fix bad page breaks while
you're editing. I couldn't find any Adobe documentation on how to link
(rather than import), so I created a sample project and a doc
explaining it:

http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip

With a significant percentage of users on phones, Responsive HTML is
most likely the output type you want.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_layouts_la%2FGenerate_Responsive_HTML5_output-.htm

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 12:32 PM Art Campbell  wrote:
>
> Thank y'all for the help and suggestions so far!
>
> To clarify a few points:
>
>- The application is a SaS, but more on the database reporting side of
>things than providing a service
>- Some dedicated workstations will be primary user's work stations, but
>we expect a good percentage of people 30-40% to be using phones. Possibly
>tablets, but less likely.
>- We have FM 17 and will be single source authoring.
>- We have Tech Comm Suite 17, so RoboHelp is available
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
I've generated CSH map files using various tools (standalone RoboHelp,
FrameMaker + WebWorks, FrameMaker + MIF2Go, FrameMaker + RoboHelp,
Flare, Oxygen, Scroll HTML Exporter, Paligo) and they all worked
perfectly.

They don't generate the map IDs (topic identifiers) themselves, you
write those yourself. The map number (context ID) is a UUID. Here's a
example from RoboHelp's old Salesbuilder sample project:

#define My_Pipeline1
#define Accounts2
#define Contacts3
#define Opportunities4
#define Configuration5
#define New_Account_General6
#define New_Account_Contacts7
#define New_Account_Opportunities8
#define New_Account_Market_History9
#define New_Account_News10
#define New_Contact_General11
#define New_Contact_Activities12
#define New_Contact_Notes13

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:32 AM 'Chris Despopoulos' via Writers &
Techies on Framemaker
 wrote:
>
> ... I'm not a fan of generated mapping IDs...  A table can get pretty big, 
> and you had better come up with a naming convention that makes it easy to 
> sort through all the entries.  Generated IDs probably won't suit that need.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
Caroline said via email that FrameMaker does generate the map file
automatically. Is that true? The documentation explicitly says you
must create it with a text editor:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM Robert Lauriston  wrote:
>
> Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
> file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
> a text editor invites human error.
>
> The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
> Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
> applications.
>
> The help  calls you described in
> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
> strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
> hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
> similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
> later had resulted in many broken links.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
>  wrote:
> >
> > I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
> >
> > On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston,  wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> > > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> > > help.
> > >
> > > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> > >
> > > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> > > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
> > > > FrameMaker.
> > > >
> > > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > > > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
> > > > Help.
> > > >
> > > > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
> > > > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
> > > > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> > > >
> > > > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > > > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> > > >
> > > > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
> > > > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > > > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
> > > >
> > > > *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
> > > > developers, not vice-versa. ***
> > > >
> > > > You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
> > > > Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.
> > > >
> > > > Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
> > > > when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is
> > > specced to include screen-level context sensitive help.
> > > > >
> > > > > The coders haven't done this before and are asking for
> > > help/assistance/advice on developing the coding standard for this and 
> > > other
> > > products going forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes
> > > to a mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window 
> > > or
> > > a popup.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call
> > > Help from the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices
> > > that people are already using, either on the coding or information
> > > development side.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
a text editor invites human error.

The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
applications.

The help  calls you described in
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
later had resulted in many broken links.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
>
> On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston,  wrote:
>
> > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> > help.
> >
> > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> >
> >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> >
> > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> >
> >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
> > > FrameMaker.
> > >
> > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
> > > Help.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
> > > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
> > > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> > >
> > > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> > >
> > > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
> > > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> > >
> > >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
> > >
> > > *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
> > > developers, not vice-versa. ***
> > >
> > > You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
> > > Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.
> > >
> > > Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
> > > when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is
> > specced to include screen-level context sensitive help.
> > > >
> > > > The coders haven't done this before and are asking for
> > help/assistance/advice on developing the coding standard for this and other
> > products going forward.
> > > >
> > > > I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes
> > to a mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or
> > a popup.
> > > >
> > > > What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call
> > Help from the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices
> > that people are already using, either on the coding or information
> > development side.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
help.

RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2

FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
file manually in a text editor, which is insane:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston  wrote:
>
> Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
> FrameMaker.
>
> Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
> Help.
>
> Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
> the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
> over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
>
> On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
>
> On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
> "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
>
> *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
> developers, not vice-versa. ***
>
> You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
> Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.
>
> Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
> when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell  wrote:
> >
> > My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is 
> > specced to include screen-level context sensitive help.
> >
> > The coders haven't done this before and are asking for 
> > help/assistance/advice on developing the coding standard for this and other 
> > products going forward.
> >
> > I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes to a 
> > mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or a 
> > popup.
> >
> > What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call Help 
> > from the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices that 
> > people are already using, either on the coding or information development 
> > side.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

2019-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
FrameMaker.

Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
Help.

Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
over Responsive HTML. Look at both.

On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.

On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
"Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm

*** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
developers, not vice-versa. ***

You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.

Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell  wrote:
>
> My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is specced 
> to include screen-level context sensitive help.
>
> The coders haven't done this before and are asking for help/assistance/advice 
> on developing the coding standard for this and other products going forward.
>
> I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes to a 
> mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or a 
> popup.
>
> What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call Help from 
> the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices that people 
> are already using, either on the coding or information development side.
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Re: [Framers] Grammar Question

2019-04-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Texas Instruments uses "RS-485-compliant" in their docs, e.g.:

http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slla272c/slla272c.pdf
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Re: [Framers] Grammar Question

2019-04-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
There's nothing wrong with "RS-485-compliant." The first hyphen is
part of the noun "RS-485," the second forms a phrasal adjective.

This isn't really grammar, it's an arbitrary punctuation rule that
varies from one style guide to another. Some might use en dashes
instead of hyphens.

Are you sure you want "connects to" rather than simply "connects"?

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:57 AM Doug  wrote:
>
> In the sentence below regarding RS-485 technology, I really don't want to
> use consecutive hyphens.  Can you suggest a decent alternative?  Thanks in
> advance.
>
> This cable connects to RS-485-enabled devices.
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Re: [Framers] Sharing Frame

2019-04-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
You can find the license in a file somewhere in the FrameMaker program
directory. As I recall it allows only one user to install in two
places such as a desktop and laptop, or work and home PCs.

I don't believe Adobe has ever sold floating licenses except maybe as
part of large site-license deals.

If people need to contribute only occasionally, you could get each of
them a month-to-month subscription, and stop the subscription when
they're not working on docs.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 8:20 AM A Craig  wrote:
>
>
> With my current employer, I'm back working in Word because many engineers 
> have to contribute to my hardware manuals and there simply isn't a budget for 
> the server version of Frame (which costs $15,000 US these days and is truly 
> overkill for my situation).
>
> However, the software team is quite small so I'm wondering if there is a way 
> I could legally leverage Frame when working with that team. Using Frame's 
> conditional text option to create at least 3 different software manuals 
> around a large core of shared text would be a godsend.
>
> I know you can legally install Frame on 2 machines so long as only one 
> machine is in use at a time. Has anyone ever tried this in order to share 
> Frame with another writer?
>
> Or can you legally install a single seat copy of Frame on a server and have 
> it work properly (with one user at a time)?
>
>
> If none of these options will work, maybe I'll have to see if I can make a 
> business case for 2 single seats to use with the software team.
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Re: [Framers] Best Method, Word 2013 to Frame 2019.

2019-03-11 Thread Robert Lauriston
I strongly recommend starting with one of the smallest docs to learn
the process.

If due to bad formatting in the Word source the import is not clean
and needs a lot of work, you might try the convert-to-zip-and-extract
approach.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM Richard Melanson
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>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have read over the years numerous ways to get Word docs into FrameMaker. Is 
> there one "best method" out there that everyone agrees is the way to go.
>
> I have a 413 page Word 2013 doc with embedded graphics, tables, and anything 
> else you can through into Word. I have been away from Frame for about 6 or 7 
> years so I have some catching up to do. My company just purchased the Adobe 
> Tech Comm Suite for me, my recommendation, and want me to move ALL the Word 
> stuff, starting with one of the biggest docs.
>
> I really appreciate any input you guys through at me as I ramp back up to 
> using Frame again.
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Re: [Framers] CSH HTML5 from Frame 2017 How should the Developers call the help pages

2019-02-13 Thread Robert Lauriston
Under the hood it's RoboHelp.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.html

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 5:15 AM Caroline Tabach
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>
> What must I tell the programmers to call so that they get the correct help
> pages?
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Robert Lauriston
MadCap Flare can open FrameMaker files. The PDF output might require
some tweaking. Get a 30-day free trial and see.

Same story for RoboHelp.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> paradigm?
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Re: [Framers] Has anyone ever written a FrameMaker Cookbook?

2019-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
I wrote up a few long ago:

http://lauriston.com/framemaker_tips.html

This includes a PDF explaining how to link FrameMaker source to a
RoboHelp project, plus an example project:

http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 1:58 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> And by this, I don't mean a cookbook for food making using FrameMaker as
> the writing tool. I mean, a reference book for FrameMaker that explains how
> to do some of the odder but more useful things that aren't covered in user
> guides and the like.
>
> For example, I'm now changing over a template that has been single-sided up
> till now to double-sided. This is easy enough to do, but I also want it to
> be able to assign a special master page with "this page intentionally left
> blank" on it if Frame adds a blank page because double-sided. And, of
> course, I want that master page assignment to be REMOVED if the the
> pagination changes. I'm moderately certain this should be possible without
> scripting, but I expect it to take a few days to figure out how to do it
> (in my copious spare time).
>
> There are also any number of questions I've seen come across this email
> list and now over on the Adobe forums for issues that seem to re-occur with
> some frequency that, again, a reference like this might be useful for,
> because sometimes, search tools just don't cut it ...
>
> So, has anyone? My google-fu seems to be lacking.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
"Among those interviewed were [Merle Haggard's] two ex-wives, Kris
Kristofferson and Robert Duvall."

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/HaggardComma.jpg
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Re: [Framers] Color Views: what are they FOR?

2019-01-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
Making text invisible seems the kind of kludge Word fans come up with
to work around its limitations.

While it's technically possible it's hard to imagine a use case where
there's not a much better solution. Among other problems, if the
document ever fell into the hands of a non-expert user, they'd likely
have no idea what to do. And the invisible text would still show up in
search results.

I had to read the forum discussion to even understand what they were
talking about.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2574815

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:19 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> Over on the Adobe forums, I've been interacting with a someone new to Frame
> and was explaining how to set up and use conditions.
>
> Then Bob Niland and Arnis Gubbins chimed in talking about color views. A
> little experimentation has shown me what they DO. What I can't figure out
> (and maybe it's just New Year's brain fuzz) is what you use them FOR. OK,
> you can make something that is a particular color invisible, but the space
> it occupies is still there so, unlike using a condition, the document
> doesn't reflow. You're left with gaps. Not something I want in my documents
> and I don't see where it would be useful.
>
> So who has used it, and for what? Why would you choose it over using a
> condition instead?
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] Expected Size of HTML5 Help file - from your experience and knowledge

2018-12-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
The skin shouldn't make much difference, that's just different CSS.

Seems like SnagIt's compression is not the best, so you should use
some other tool to get maximum compression.

Are all those images really essential? Have you cropped out all
irrelevant information?

Is the 15MB limit really necessary?

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 12:40 AM Caroline Tabach
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>
> Frame 2017 (without RH)
> Well,
> I have partly solved the issue mentioned below.
>
> I wanted to make sure I only worked on relevant graphic files, so I used
> "package" to get them. This actually reduced the size of the .png files for
> some reason.
>
> I then used Photoshop to reduce the size of these files.
>
> Eventually the size of the help package was reduced to 9-10 Mb approx.
>
> However, the User guide/project will grow. We are talking about a user
> guide which has nearly 300 pages, and they are adding components all
> the time.
>
>
> If you make HTML 5 help file, what is the expected size of the file, and is
> there any way to make it smaller.m
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

2018-12-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
If you're cropping out the irrelevant parts, saving as PNG, and
importing by reference, then the large size is probably due to having
many, many images.

Snagit's PNG compression might not be the best. You could try running
a batch job to open and resave the PNG files with some other tool,
such as PhotoShop. Experiment on one file first to see if it reduces
the size.

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:20 AM Caroline Tabach
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>
> Well, after investigation, some of these files are not so small after all.
>
> If I use Snagit, how should I be taking screen caps to get them smallest
> size, for the future.
>
> How can I reduce the size of the current screens?
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

2018-12-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
What format are the screen captures? They should be PNG and imported
by reference.

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:20 AM Caroline Tabach
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>
> Hi
>
> R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
>
> It came out as 15 MB
>
> Currently I have included the screen captures in the help.
>
> I made a new version without most of the screen captures, and it is much
> smaller.
>
> 1. Do you show the screen captures in help files?
> 2. Are there any settings in the Frame publisher that can themselves
> compress the graphics used in the help file (instead of removing them all)
> 3.  Can you make screen caps as thumbnails?
> 4. Has anyone else encountered this issue, and have any insights?
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: FrameMaker Subscription Edition (one-year)サブスクリプションの期間が延長されました

2018-11-21 Thread Robert Lauriston
Looks like you somehow ended up on Adobe's marketing spam mailing list
for Japan.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 11:57 AM Alan Litchfield  wrote:
> Adobe people, what the hell is this?
>
> Alan
>
> PS, Sorry listers, I don’t seem to have any other way to access Adobe support.
>
> --
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> AlphaByte
> PO Box 1941
> Auckland, New Zealand 1140
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: 'Adobe' 
> > Subject: FrameMaker Subscription Edition (one-year)サブスクリプションの期間が延長されました
> > Date: 22 November 2018 at 08:29:25 NZDT
> > To: a...@alphabyte.co.nz
> > Reply-To: 'Adobe' 
> >
> >   アドビ システムズ 株式会社
> > 〒141-0032 東京都品川区大崎1-11-2 ゲートシティ大崎イーストタワー
> > Adobe
> > Litchfield Alan様
> >
> > お客様のFrameMaker Subscription Edition 
> > (one-year)サブスクリプションの期間が、追加料金なしで日間延長されました。
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Re: [Framers] Arbortext v Frame

2018-11-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
I don't know much about Arbortext, but iin addition to an XML editor
they also have a CMS and a single-source publishing system. It seems
kind of weird to be considering only Arbortext rather than evaluating
all the options.

What flavor of structured FrameMaker are you using? DITA? SD1000?

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM ROSS, Chris  wrote:
>
> My company is thinking of changing from Framemaker to Arbortext. I have been 
> asked to attend a meeting, consisting mainly of managers and accountants, to 
> represent the Tech writing population.
> I have never used Arbortext before and am finding it very difficult to 
> download a trial version to make any viable comparison. ...
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Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

2018-10-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
Where but on a FrameMaker list would you find an expert opinion about
when it's the wrong tool for a particular job?

Doing complicated topic reuse using FrameMaker's conditional text is
possible, but it's a painful and time-consuming kludge compared with
tools that make it easy to assemble multiple books from a pool of
topics.

The tradeoff is that FrameMaker is better at PDFs than any of those tools.

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>
> Why am I reading on a FrameMaker list that other products do things better 
> ???  Even if in your opinion they do, we don't need to hear it.
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Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

2018-10-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
Managing lots of conditions can get pretty gnarly at the paragraph level.

Flare makes that kind of thing much easier.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:15 AM Caroline Tabach
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> That sounds good.
>
>
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
> בתאריך יום ד׳, 10 באוק׳ 2018, 19:19, מאת Lin Sims ‏:
>
> > As a thought, you could use put all the "boxes" into a chapter (family) and
> > control its appearance with conditions by marking the text for that "box"
> > with a condition named for the customer. Then all you have to do when you
> > create a book for a customer is set the Show Conditions to that customer's
> > name and regenerate. That's actually probably the simplest solution, and
> > FrameMaker is capable of handling dozens of conditions.tad...@frameusers.com
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Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

2018-10-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
Flare is old-fashioned locally installed single-user Windows software,
like FrameMaker.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 2:12 AM Caroline Tabach
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>
> We did look into that, but my understanding is that it is cloud based and 
> therefore not appropriate for what we are doing.
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:37 PM Robert Lauriston  wrote:
>>
>> My first thought would be to migrate to Flare or Paligo, which are
>> much better at that sort of reuse.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:24 AM Caroline Tabach
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have converted the very large Word user guide to FrameMaker.  I am using
>> > Unstructured Frame 2017
>> >
>> > This is a guide for a product which has general information about how to
>> > use the product at the beginning, and a few chapters with general
>> > information at the end.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The product is made up of  100 "boxes" which belong to 5 families  (I am
>> > just calling them boxes for the sake of the example)
>> >
>> > The FrameMaker book I made uses only chapters, not volumes, there is a
>> > chapter for each box family, with information about each of the boxes in
>> > that family.
>> >
>> > Each customer only needs to user 4 or 5 "boxes", so we want to make user
>> > guides that are smaller and more focused
>> >
>> > I have made a book with everything in it, and now I want to show the SME
>> > how we can use Frame to make smaller guides. I am wondering about the best
>> > way to do this.
>> >
>> > 1. Make 5 books each with one box family in it, which will contain info
>> > about all the boxes in that family as well as the general information. end
>> > users will receive the guide with info about the box family, they will have
>> > info about 15 boxes even if they only bought one
>> >
>> > 2. Redo the guide that I did and make the box families to be volumes, and
>> > then each box is a chapter. .
>> >
>> > This means it will be easy to add or remove boxes from the guide, this also
>> > means it is possible to customize the guides per customers
>> > The company are using heading numbering, so this means redoing all of the
>> > heading of all the paragraph styles, which might get complicated
>> >
>> > 3. Another idea I had was to set the book up as described above, with a
>> > chapter for each box family, but to have each box as a text inset, and be
>> > able to create user guides per box. Highly customizing this, but means I
>> > don't have to mess with the numbering, but maybe this will make life
>> > complicated
>> >
>> > What would you recommend?
>> >
>> > Are there advantages and disadvantages of each method?
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Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

2018-10-08 Thread Robert Lauriston
My first thought would be to migrate to Flare or Paligo, which are
much better at that sort of reuse.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:24 AM Caroline Tabach
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>
> Hi,
>
> I have converted the very large Word user guide to FrameMaker.  I am using
> Unstructured Frame 2017
>
> This is a guide for a product which has general information about how to
> use the product at the beginning, and a few chapters with general
> information at the end.
>
>
>
> The product is made up of  100 "boxes" which belong to 5 families  (I am
> just calling them boxes for the sake of the example)
>
> The FrameMaker book I made uses only chapters, not volumes, there is a
> chapter for each box family, with information about each of the boxes in
> that family.
>
> Each customer only needs to user 4 or 5 "boxes", so we want to make user
> guides that are smaller and more focused
>
> I have made a book with everything in it, and now I want to show the SME
> how we can use Frame to make smaller guides. I am wondering about the best
> way to do this.
>
> 1. Make 5 books each with one box family in it, which will contain info
> about all the boxes in that family as well as the general information. end
> users will receive the guide with info about the box family, they will have
> info about 15 boxes even if they only bought one
>
> 2. Redo the guide that I did and make the box families to be volumes, and
> then each box is a chapter. .
>
> This means it will be easy to add or remove boxes from the guide, this also
> means it is possible to customize the guides per customers
> The company are using heading numbering, so this means redoing all of the
> heading of all the paragraph styles, which might get complicated
>
> 3. Another idea I had was to set the book up as described above, with a
> chapter for each box family, but to have each box as a text inset, and be
> able to create user guides per box. Highly customizing this, but means I
> don't have to mess with the numbering, but maybe this will make life
> complicated
>
> What would you recommend?
>
> Are there advantages and disadvantages of each method?
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Re: [Framers] Hmm, so do I renew???

2018-10-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
If I'm not using something I've subscribed to I don't renew until I
need it again.
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:30 PM Jay Maechtlen  wrote:
>
> On 10/3/2018 7:55 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
> > Yesterday (3rd October) I get an email from Adobe
> >
> > Your FrameMaker Subscription Edition (one-year) subscription will expire in 
> > 7 days
> >   Dear Alan Litchfield,
> >   Your subscription to FrameMaker Subscription Edition (one-year) will 
> > expire on 02-October-2018 (PT).
> >   If you wish to keep your subscription active, you must provide your 
> > billing information and set up automatic monthly payments.
> >
> > So according to this, my subscription has already expired a day ago, but 
> > apparently it is expiring in 7 days.
> >
> > In the meantime, Adobe has debited my credit card another month’s 
> > subscription, today.
> >
> > I wonder, should I even renew? I hardly use it nowadays and Adobe do not 
> > fill me with confidence.
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Re: [Framers] HTML

2018-10-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
It can be good to have virtual machines with plain-vanilla
installations of whatever operating systems and browsers you support
to check appearance.

Though if RoboHelp's default font-family substitutions are good, you
might not have to worry about it. In the past I've just used the
automap feature and the output looked fine.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 3:10 AM Caroline Tabach
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>
> You can change the fonts in the publish configuration.
>
> As mentioned, you must choose fonts that are generally available on
> browsers, otherwise the results will look bad.
>
> You often need a machine that does not have your default fonts on it to
> test this.
>
> Play with all the possible settings, you can get very good results
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Re: [Framers] HTML

2018-10-01 Thread Robert Lauriston
That's a general issue with HTML. You don't know what fonts readers
will have installed on their computers.

Read up on web-safe fonts and the CSS font-family property.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 7:41 AM Doug  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the advice on using File > Publish, the Responsive HTML5 results
> are much better than the alternative I was using.  However, I noticed that
> some fonts we use end up getting substituted, so the web version looks
> visibly different from the PDF.   I've been making changes on the Style
> Mapping tab, but there's no way to add new fonts.  We use the family of
> Univers Next Pro.
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Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
That's true only for vector graphics. If you zoom in far enough on a
bitmap you can see the individual pixels, just as in Acrobat or Adobe
Reader.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:53 PM  wrote:
>
> The on-screen preview will always look "bad" since you are only seeing a
> preview. ...
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Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker can't render AI grphics, it uses the low-resolution preview
bitmap embedded in the file.

If PNG images in FrameMaker look worse than they do in the exported
PDF in Acrobat or Adobe Reader, Acrobat probably does a better job of
rendering bitmaps at some zoom levels.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 4:55 AM Doug  wrote:
>
> We use either PNG or AI files, FrameMaker 2017, Windows 10 w/latest updates
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:33 PM Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
> > What format image and which version of FrameMaker?
> >
> > If you're displaying EPS, you're not looking at the same image.
> > FrameMaker's showing a preview bitmap stored in the EPS file and PDF
> > is rendering the actual vectors.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM Doug  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm comparing how an image looks on the same monitor when displayed by
> > > Frame and in PDF produced from Frame.  In all cases the image looks
> > better
> > > when displayed in PDF.  It doesn't matter what quality the image is;
> > Frame
> > > just seems to display images poorly in comparison.
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Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
What format image and which version of FrameMaker?

If you're displaying EPS, you're not looking at the same image.
FrameMaker's showing a preview bitmap stored in the EPS file and PDF
is rendering the actual vectors.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM Doug  wrote:
>
> I'm comparing how an image looks on the same monitor when displayed by
> Frame and in PDF produced from Frame.  In all cases the image looks better
> when displayed in PDF.  It doesn't matter what quality the image is; Frame
> just seems to display images poorly in comparison.
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Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Rather than "set your desktop resolution to the highest it can
support" I'd say set your display to its native resolution.

I don't believe LCD ClearType / font-smoothing settings have any
effect on what's captured.

To me, the most important tips are (1) selecting or cropping to show
only pertinent screen elements and (2) resampling only when it's
absolutely unavoidable.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:12 AM David Artman  wrote:
>
>All the recent image-related posts lead me to write up this:
> ... 
> http://davidartman.com/design/best-practices-for-graphics-in-modern-publishing-pipelines
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Re: [Framers] HTML

2018-09-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Save as HTML was never good for much. With FrameMaker 6 through 11, if
you wanted professional-looking HTML output, you used WebWorks,
RoboHelp, or MIF2Go.

>From FrameMaker 12 on, you can use the built-in subset of RoboHelp
features ("multichannel publishing"), though WebWorks ePublisher has
some advantages.

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>
> Let me see if I'm doing this right!
>
> The 'Save As HTML' is somewhat deprecated and clunky.  It has some uses,
> but it is not able to produce a slick output.  Trying the options in the
> Publish pod is a better bet.ive questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Re: [Framers] Graphics quality

2018-09-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Not always for better performance, sometimes just because FrameMaker
can't render the format on screen.

E.g. for EPS vector graphics FrameMaker uses the embedded preview bitmap.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:34 AM Jeff Coatsworth
 wrote:
>
> Depending on the image format, FM often sacrifices quality on the screen for 
> better performance. Sometimes you just get placeholders or times, low-res 
> thumbnails.
>
>
> 
> From: Framers 
>  on 
> behalf of Doug 
> Sent: September 27, 2018 2:26 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: [Framers] Graphics quality
>
> Line drawings in Frame look much worse than they do when I save them to
> PDF. ...
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Re: [Framers] FM2019 - 32/64-bit?

2018-09-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
Sorry. I'm not sure how I missed that.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> FM2019 is available as 32-bit and 64-bit. That forum post is talking about
> FM2017.
>
> Thanks,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 9/24/18 10:12 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>>
>> The main reason to run the 32-bit version of FrameMaker is that there
>> is no 64-bit version.
>>
>> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2447691
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:
>>>
>>> If/when you upgrade to FM2019 (or beyond), would any of you be using the
>>> 32-bit version? As a plugin developer, I'm thinking that I'll only
>>> support
>>> 64-bit FM. Is there a reason to support both?
>>>
>>> Yes, I've heard that some people will need to run 32-bit FM due to legacy
>>> applications .. are there any other reasons?rs.com
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Re: [Framers] FM2019 - 32/64-bit?

2018-09-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
The main reason to run the 32-bit version of FrameMaker is that there
is no 64-bit version.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2447691

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> If/when you upgrade to FM2019 (or beyond), would any of you be using the
> 32-bit version? As a plugin developer, I'm thinking that I'll only support
> 64-bit FM. Is there a reason to support both?
>
> Yes, I've heard that some people will need to run 32-bit FM due to legacy
> applications .. are there any other reasons?rs.com
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Re: [Framers] OFF TOPIC: Adobe CS6.

2018-09-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
Have you looked on eBay?

A FrameMaker list is probably not the best place to get advice about
Adobe CS / CC.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Richard Melanson
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> Nobody ??
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Melanson
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:36 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: [Framers] OFF TOPIC: Adobe CS6.
>
> Everyone,
> I am currently using adobe CS4, which has Bridge, Device Central, 
> Dreamweaver, Drive, Extend Script, Extension Manager, FireWorks, Flash Pro, 
> Illustrator, InDesign, Media Encoder, and Photoshop.
>
> My company will not spring for the subscription for these or even some of 
> these, so I am left with trying to find someone or someplace to buy a legit 
> CS6 license.
>
> Can anyone here point me in the direction that will help me get a legitimate 
> license for CS6.
>
> I really appreciate any help you can give me.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-21 Thread Robert Lauriston
The last time I had to place Visio drawings in FrameMaker I had some
problem with PDF (which worked fine with Excel) so I used EMF, but
today I'd use SVG.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Carrie Baker  wrote:
> A further question.
>
> What is the best practice  for importing Visio to Frame
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
2000 OLE objects would certainly be asking for trouble.

It's probably possible to write a VBScript that would go through all
the Visio files in a directory, resize them to fit the drawing, and
export to SVG or some other format FrameMaker can handle.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:35 AM,   wrote:
> Thank you for your replies.
>
> This is my first time having to work with a graphic format I couldn't
> reference or not having any control over the format. The book is over 3000
> pages and at least 2000 of those pages are full page graphic images (all
> Visio and I do not have the Visio software). If I try and embed by OLE
> this many graphics, is my book going to be an unmanageable size?
>
> Thinking I need to request the company provide me with graphics in a
> FrameMaker friendly format.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
I believe "Object" = OLE.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2017/using/using-framemaker-2017/frm_text_tx/Import_and_link_methods-.htm

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> I thought embedding was importing by copy, not reference? Although I grant
> you, I assumed this was a Windows platform given she is talking about Visio.
>
> BTW, Julie, if this IS Windows and Visio, remember to shrink the Visio
> canvas down around the drawing, or, depending on the size of the drawing,
> you could be looking at a lot of empty space.
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 2:02 PM Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
>> That's embedding an OLE object. Might be appropriate or not depending
>> on many factors.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> >1. File > Import > Object, select Microsoft Visio Drawing from the
>> list
>> >2. Select Create from File
>> >3. Select Link
>> >4. Click OK.
>> >
>> > Step 3 is important if you want changes to the Visio diagram to be
>> updated
>> > to the FrameMaker file.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is it possible to import by reference Visio graphics into a FrameMaker
>> >> 2017 file?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
That's embedding an OLE object. Might be appropriate or not depending
on many factors.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Yes.
>
>1. File > Import > Object, select Microsoft Visio Drawing from the list
>2. Select Create from File
>3. Select Link
>4. Click OK.
>
> Step 3 is important if you want changes to the Visio diagram to be updated
> to the FrameMaker file.
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM  wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to import by reference Visio graphics into a FrameMaker
>> 2017 file?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
I tried various approaches a few years ago and ended up exporting the
Visio drawings to EMF and placing those by reference in FrameMaker.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM,   wrote:
> Is it possible to import by reference Visio graphics into a FrameMaker
> 2017 file?
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Re: [Framers] Changing Resolution for all imported graphics

2018-09-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker's dpi setting has no effect on the image.

If you have a 300x400 image set to 100 dpi, it will be 3" x 4" on the
page. If you change that to 200 dpi, it will be 1.5" x 2".

> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 4:01 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: [Framers] Changing Resolution for all imported graphics
>
> Hi
> I am using Frame 2017
>
> I imported screen captures to the user guide (by reference).
>
> They were imported at resolution of 96%
>
> Now we want to change the resolution to 150%
>
> 1. Is there any way to automate this?
>
> 2. Can Object Properties be used for this?  The object properties seemed to 
> also fix definite dimensions as well as resolution, so did not seem suitable; 
> can this be overcome?
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Re: [Framers] PDF Job Options - do you customize?

2018-09-12 Thread Robert Lauriston
I used to use High Quality Print since with Standard the images were
often degraded. Before that was available, I disabled image
degradation as shown here:

http://lauriston.com/framemaker_tips.html

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Caroline Tabach
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> Do you use the default PDF Job Options?
>
> I make PDFs that are primarily distributed as files.
>
> People print if needed.
>
> Do you use the "Standard" Job options that come with Frame for this?
>
> Many many years ago we customized the Job Options, with downsizing and
> various graphic options.
>
> I do not have that file any more.
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Re: [Framers] alternatives to VirtualBox in Windows

2018-09-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
I've run FrameMaker 6 in Windows 7 using Windows XP Mode, which is a
feature of Windows Virtual PC. No need to install the operating
system.

I use Virtualbox all the time and it has its quirks.

I don't think Microsoft is to blame for Adobe's ancient code base
having problems in Windows.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Frank Stearns  wrote:
> I don't remember the issues now, but at least in Win 7 for my needs at the
> time there were some show-stoppers with the built-in virtual system from
> Microsoft. In contrast, Virtualbox simply installed and ran, no fuss, no
> muss, with just the right set of user controls and operating options.
>
> The built-in "Hyper-V" might be worth a try under Win10, but to be honest, I
> don't entirely trust MS. Remember, they're the ones who through their OS
> issues for Framers effectively started this conversation in the first place!
> YMMV.
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>
>> Windows has its own virtual PC system. In Windows 7 it's Windows
>> Virtual PC, which has to be installed. In Windows 10 it's Hyper-V,
>> which is built in.
>
>
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[Framers] alternatives to VirtualBox in Windows

2018-09-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
Windows has its own virtual PC system. In Windows 7 it's Windows
Virtual PC, which has to be installed. In Windows 10 it's Hyper-V,
which is built in.

You can download VM images (ISO files) for various Windows releases
from Microsoft.

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Frank Stearns  wrote:
>
> Older versions of FM sometimes seem unhappy running directly in a newer OS.
>
> Try VirtualBox from Oracle. It's free; you can set up a virtual XP
> environment under Win 7 or Win 10, install FM in that XP world, and away you
> go, often faster and without those quirks compared to running the older FM
> natively. (I've found the emulator offering from Microsoft to be lacking and
> unreliable. What a surprise.)
>
> With a few configuration tweaks, the virtual environment can r/w "real" disk
> locations outside the environment, you can copy and paste (control-C/V) to
> and from apps inside and outside the virtual environment, and you can
> send/receive from your USB devices, such as printers, keyboards, mice.
>
> Two caveats: You'll need original XP disks to do the install; and so far
> there is no support for firewire devices.
>
> Overall a headache saver and in our case, we have a 25 year-old custom
> database that's impossible to run in Win7 but works just fine in Virtualbox.
> A HUGE time saver and business saver, actually -- we were unable to rewrite
> that db for a newer OS. And oh, btw, FM7.x runs nicely in that environment
> as well. :)
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

2018-09-04 Thread Robert Lauriston
My guess is Adobe took Windows out of the PDF-generation loop so that
Microsoft updates or selecting the wrong printer driver can't break
it.

This is the 1.0 release of that code. Give them six months or a year
to get the bugs out and address limitations.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Tom Beiswenger
 wrote:
>
> I don’t know if Adobe monitors this list, but the pdf issue, for me, also
> is a deal breaker. Seems absurd that they would take something that worked
> and “improve “ it so well that it now is pretty much useless.
>
>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Harding, Dan  wrote:
>>
>> The new PDF creation mechanism and its inflexibility is a complete
> dealbreaker for me. I need to be able to easily create my PDFs in different
> locations with different names on the fly. Having neither of those aspects
> settable at output time nor saved on a per-file basis is utterly dain
> bramaged.
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Re: [Framers] XML Author - where has it gone?

2018-09-03 Thread Robert Lauriston
Discontinued.

https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/discontinued-products.html

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
> I try to update my website concerning the History of FrameMaker and discover 
> the
> following:
>
> - In FM-13 (2015) XML Author could be selected as interface flavour
>   (similar to FrameMaker or Structured FrameMaker).
> - In FM-14 (2017) and FM-15 (2019) this option does not exist.
> - On https://www.adobe.com/search.html#q=xml%20author provides only
>   results for the 2015 release.
> - "XML Documentation for Adobe Experience Manager" seems to be a new
>   product, but IMHO this is not a successor of XML Author, since the
>   web page tells about a component content management system (CCMS).
>
> So where has XML Author gone?
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Re: [Framers] FM2019 Doesn't Print to PDF

2018-08-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Maybe the known issue with Windows 10 build 1803 that was fixed by a
patch Microsoft released on July 24?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Corcoran, Susan
 wrote:
>
> I'm playing with the trial version of FM2019 (on Win 10) and I have found 
> that I can't publish to PDF properly. Using the Publish options, I can't 
> specify RGB or CMYK, I can't specify my output file name, and even with all 
> that, resulting pdfs are blank. When I try Save as PDF, I'm told to go to the 
> Publish options. I had success by going back to the old method of printing to 
> a ps file and distilling it, but I would think with the new Publish options 
> that PDF output would be simpler. My gut tells me something's busted. Has 
> anybody else seen these issues?
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 upgrade to FM 2019

2018-08-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
Why not get the 30-day free trial and see for yourself?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 9:21 AM Doug  wrote:
>
> We bought FM 2017 in May 2017, so I'm sure we'll have to pay to
> upgrade.  But is it worth it?  If I knew doing so would resolve the
> annoying quirks I've had to deal with, it might be.   But I'd hate to
> upgrade just to find out the quirks still exist.sers.com
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Re: [Framers] Upgrade to FM-15 aka 219

2018-08-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
The only upgrade option is from FM2017 ($400), so it would cost you
$1000 for the full license or $30 a month for the subscription.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
> I'd be curious to hear what the upgrade price is from FM12, if there is one.
> Anyone know, without me having to make a call?
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Re: [Framers] ANN: FrameMaker 2019

2018-08-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
I'll believe that when someone confirms that it no longer uses CPD.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:55 PM, Jack DeLand  wrote:
> Yes, and the RoboHelp blurb says: "And it's a complete new RoboHelp
> developped from the scratch."
> Yow.
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Re: [Framers] ANN: FrameMaker 2019

2018-08-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
It was released today. So was TCS 2019.

https://www.adobe.com/in/products/framemaker/features.html

https://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite.html

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> 19 hasn't hit the market. It's been announced.
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Re: [Framers] Frame2017 slow on network??

2018-08-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
Best practice is to use Subversion or some other source control system
with file locks (i.e., not Git).

Keeping source in shared directories on a file server is about as out
of date as single-user installed software that runs only on Windows.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:36 PM,   wrote:
>I've had that problem as well.  As I understand it, it has to do with
>handshaking protocols and packet prioritization.
>
>The best answer I have found is to work on the files locally, and then
>save them back up to the network drive. Suboptimal, but faster.
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Re: [Framers] Frame2017 slow on network??

2018-08-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
Working with FrameMaker files on a network drive is asking for trouble.

To share files within a group, use Subversion or whatever source
control system you have already.

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 7:29 AM, Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Our purchase of Frame went through.
>
> I am working on Frame 2017, with my files on the network
>
> In the past I always worked locally.
>
> FrameMaker seems a bit slow to me.
>
> Is this owing to working from the network?
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Re: [Framers] An annoying FM 12 "feature"

2018-08-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker's file locks have never worked very well.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:52 PM,   wrote:
> Hi Rick and Fred,
>
> Thank you! I will do that. I never had to mess w/ this setting before, so I
> vaguely remembered something about it, but wasn't sure if my memory served
> me correctly. Nope, although I am on our home network, I am the only writer,
> so I will go clear this option now.
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Re: [Framers] Perpetual Newbie Question #2

2018-08-09 Thread Robert Lauriston
I believe Delete All Unused Formats was added in FM10.

In earlier releases I used Silicon Prairie's Character Tools and
Paragraph Tools:

https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:12 AM, Doug  wrote:
> On the Paragraph/Character Catalog window there's a gear icon.  When
> clicked it shows a list of options, one of which is to Show Only Unused
> Formats, another of which is Delete All Unused Formats.  I find those
> options to be the easiest way to clean up a document's catalogs.
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer <
> dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm back with another basic question:
>>
>> I assume it's not rocket science, but then my last year as an actual rocket
>> scientist was early in 1970. Is there an straightforward way to get a list
>> of all of the paragraph and character tags actually used in a given
>> FrameMaker 7.2 document, thereby making it easy to purge those two
>> catalogs?
>>
>> I apologize if I've overlooked something that should be obvious. Thanks in
>> advance for your help (again)!
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] cTUVus documentation

2018-07-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
cTUVus satisfies both US and Canadian requirements, and Canadian
standards always require French, so my guess is that without French
you'd be out of compliance.

If you don't have Canadian customers or plan to get any, maybe your
company should be getting US-only UL 61010-1 certification instead?

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> My company just got cTUVus certification for North America. My regulatory
> guy is telling me we need to include French warning/caution/danger text as
> well as include some French text translation in our doc set.
>
> We have no Canadian customers, and none in the pipeline, so our doc would
> not be exported to Canada, which has the bi-lingual/French requirement.
>
> He was not able to answer the question I asked, if we could do two versions,
> a US English and a translated French for shipment to Canadian customers if
> and when it is required, and be in compliance with the standard.
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Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing

2018-07-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
Screen shots and photographs are bitmaps aka raster graphics. Drawings
and text outlines are vector graphics.

If your only reason for converting a JPG or PNG to SVG before placing
it in FrameMaker is a pointless waste of time.

Standardizing on one file format, typically PNG, for bitmpas and
another format such EPS or SVG for drawings might make sense, but I
don't know what benefit you'd get from of standardizing on a vector
file format for both bitmaps and drawings that would offset the amount
of time you'd have to spend embedding bitmaps in vector files.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Oh, for crying out loud. Rastered IS bitmapped. I'll never get it straight
> ...
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Grant Hogarth 
> wrote:
>
>> Robert makes a good point, but if no one is expecting a magical increase
>> in resolution, the standardization on graphic type makes sense.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Robert Lauriston" 
>> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." <
>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>> Sent: 7/20/2018 12:17:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing
>>
>> When you export the SVG with the embedded bitmap to PDF, is it still
>>> missing? FrameMaker can't always preview vector images.
>>>
>>> You're wasting your time embedding bitmaps in SVGs. It's still a
>>> bitmap, so if someone zooms in it you'll start seeing the graininess.
>>> Only the vector portions of the SVG will stay sharp.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I created a Visio diagram by pasting a photograph onto a sheet and
>>>> adding a
>>>> text label, then grouping the two together and saving the file first as a
>>>> Visio diagram (.vsdx) and then as an SVG file. Visio is set to
>>>> automatically display SVG files in a web browser so I can check that
>>>> things
>>>> converted correctly. They seemed to; both the picture and the text label
>>>> showed up.
>>>>
>>>> But when I import that same SVG file into FrameMaker, the only thing
>>>> that's
>>>> visible is the text label I added. Even though the anchored graphic
>>>> imports
>>>> at a size indicating that the entire SVG graphic is there, the photograph
>>>> isn't visible.
>>>>
>>>> At the moment I'm converting to JPG so I can get a visible image, but I'm
>>>> wondering if this is a Visio issue (doubting: it shows up correctly in
>>>> the
>>>> browser), or a FrameMaker issue, or something I haven't the knowledge of
>>>> to
>>>> even suspect.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone encountered this before? Is it known what might be the cause?
>>>> Is
>>>> there a fix so I can use SVG? (NB: We use SVG because we produce PDFs,
>>>> and
>>>> if someone zooms in or out the graphic doesn't get grainy 'n stuff.)
>>>>
>>>> Also, is it just me or has the list been very, VERY quiet the last couple
>>>> of weeks?
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Re: [Framers] SVG graphic with photograph not importing

2018-07-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
When you export the SVG with the embedded bitmap to PDF, is it still
missing? FrameMaker can't always preview vector images.

You're wasting your time embedding bitmaps in SVGs. It's still a
bitmap, so if someone zooms in it you'll start seeing the graininess.
Only the vector portions of the SVG will stay sharp.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> I created a Visio diagram by pasting a photograph onto a sheet and adding a
> text label, then grouping the two together and saving the file first as a
> Visio diagram (.vsdx) and then as an SVG file. Visio is set to
> automatically display SVG files in a web browser so I can check that things
> converted correctly. They seemed to; both the picture and the text label
> showed up.
>
> But when I import that same SVG file into FrameMaker, the only thing that's
> visible is the text label I added. Even though the anchored graphic imports
> at a size indicating that the entire SVG graphic is there, the photograph
> isn't visible.
>
> At the moment I'm converting to JPG so I can get a visible image, but I'm
> wondering if this is a Visio issue (doubting: it shows up correctly in the
> browser), or a FrameMaker issue, or something I haven't the knowledge of to
> even suspect.
>
> Has anyone encountered this before? Is it known what might be the cause? Is
> there a fix so I can use SVG? (NB: We use SVG because we produce PDFs, and
> if someone zooms in or out the graphic doesn't get grainy 'n stuff.)
>
> Also, is it just me or has the list been very, VERY quiet the last couple
> of weeks?
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Non-breaking en, em dashes

2018-07-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
The problem was that the font did not have a glyph for the specified Unicode.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson  wrote:
> The font has to support UTF8, of course! :-)
>
> Bodvar
>
>
>
>
>
> 2018-07-05 18:37 GMT+00:00 Robert Lauriston :
>
>> I've had problems with that when the character I was inserting was not
>> available in the current font. If I remember right, FrameMaker
>> silently grabs the character from another font and applies direct
>> formatting?
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Böðvar Björgvinsson 
>> Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes
>> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
>> 
>>
>> You can also use the minus sign (Unicode8) U+2212. That works.
>> FM is not very handy at making it easy but you can add it using the Windows
>> Character Map or the FM Utilities > Hex Input.users.com
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[Framers] Fwd: Non-breaking en, em dashes

2018-07-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
I've had problems with that when the character I was inserting was not
available in the current font. If I remember right, FrameMaker
silently grabs the character from another font and applies direct
formatting?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Böðvar Björgvinsson 
Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Non-breaking en, em dashes
To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."


You can also use the minus sign (Unicode8) U+2212. That works.
FM is not very handy at making it easy but you can add it using the Windows
Character Map or the FM Utilities > Hex Input.users.com
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Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Write a script to change the CSS references in all the HTML files at
once. Or use Funduc Search and Replace for Windows.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Pat Christenson
 wrote:
> The Manage CSS options are Import and Export. I can import the remote CSS but 
> it still creates a locate CSS, using the content of the remote one.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
>  On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:47 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to 
> Basic HTML
>
> The Manage CSS dialog is supposed to allow you to specify an external CSS 
> file.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Pat Christenson 
>  wrote:
>> FrameMaker 2017, Windows
>>
>> I have 100+ FrameMaker files in a book to convert to individual Basic HTML 
>> files. Everything is going well, except for one thing.
>>
>> The HTML files will be uploaded to a server, which is where the Official, 
>> Approved CSS file resides. The problem is when I publish the book, 
>> FrameMaker creates a CSS file on my system that each of the HTML files is 
>> linked to. I cannot find a way to replace that link in the files with a link 
>> to the CSS on the server.
>>
>> Manually fixing it in each file is not a practical option; these will be 
>> occasionally updated and I need to automate this.
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
DITA is an XML data model. DTDs are one of many parts of that model
and are not required for all DITA documents.

https://dita.xml.org

http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.2/os/spec/DITA1.2-spec.html

People commonly don't publish XML. That's a source format and they
publish PDF, online help, static HTML, whatever.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:52 AM, shuttie27  wrote:
> No, DITA is not XML. It is a DTD that can be used to create XML documents. It 
> can also be used within a FrameMaker structured application to create 
> structured FM documents that can remain just that, with output to PDF. The 
> DITA EDD within FrameMaker will take care of the paragraph and character 
> tagging. There is absolutely no requirement to output XML if you don't want 
> to. My point was that the OP can create FM documents using the DITA 
> application in FramaMaker, output to PDF, and think about XML later on. That 
> is exactly what I did some years back.
> Roger
>
>
> Sent from my tablet.
> ---- Original message From: Robert Lauriston 
>  Date: 28/06/2018  18:12  (GMT+00:00) To: "An email 
> list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." 
>  Subject: [Framers] Fwd:  Starting DITA 1.2
> "Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
> structure without having to convert it to XML."
>
> DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured
> FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA
> elements? That's not entirely true, some elements have no counterpart
> in unstructured FrameMaker.
>
> If you can accomplish something using unstructured FrameMaker, why put
> in all the time and effort to use structured? Conversely, if you
> really need DITA, FrameMaker's probably not the best tool.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roger Shuttleworth 
> Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> ... Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
> structure without having to convert it to XML. I did that for a couple
> of years before even attempting to create XML. ...
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Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
The Manage CSS dialog is supposed to allow you to specify an external CSS file.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Pat Christenson
 wrote:
> FrameMaker 2017, Windows
>
> I have 100+ FrameMaker files in a book to convert to individual Basic HTML 
> files. Everything is going well, except for one thing.
>
> The HTML files will be uploaded to a server, which is where the Official, 
> Approved CSS file resides. The problem is when I publish the book, FrameMaker 
> creates a CSS file on my system that each of the HTML files is linked to. I 
> cannot find a way to replace that link in the files with a link to the CSS on 
> the server.
>
> Manually fixing it in each file is not a practical option; these will be 
> occasionally updated and I need to automate this.
>
> Any help?
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[Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
"Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML."

DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured
FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA
elements? That's not entirely true, some elements have no counterpart
in unstructured FrameMaker.

If you can accomplish something using unstructured FrameMaker, why put
in all the time and effort to use structured? Conversely, if you
really need DITA, FrameMaker's probably not the best tool.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roger Shuttleworth 
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


... Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML. I did that for a couple
of years before even attempting to create XML. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs Flare

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
The $360-per-year FrameMaker subscription includes upgrades, so that's
significantly cheaper than Flare.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> Comparing Flare and standalone FrameMaker, HTML output is more customizable
> and it's probably a better single-sourcing tool, except as regards PDF
> targets.
>
> Comparing Flare and FrameMaker plus RoboHelp or WebWorks ePublisher Pro,
> hard to say. I'd probably take unstructured FrameMaker and WebWorks over
> Flare if I had to choose.
>
> The learning curve for FrameMaker is plenty steep if you've never used it
> before.
>
> Flare is $1648 with a year of email support and upgrades. You can add a year
> of support and upgrades for $400 or two years for $325 each. If you let your
> support expire, upgrades are $799, which I believe includes a year of
> support and upgrades.
>
> FrameMaker is $999 perpetual or $360 a year for a subscription that includes
> upgrades. Are upgrades included in the subscription price or do you have to
> pay for them?
>
> A FrameMaker perpetual license seems like a bad deal since Adobe now
> supports only the current version. In the long run, it would be cheaper to
> subscribe.
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
>>
>> It seems that the benefits of Flare over Frame are:
>> - More customizable/better HTML output
>> - Better support
>> - Better single sourcing than unstructured Frame
>> - They don't charge an arm and a leg to pay for upgrades
>>
>> The benefits of Frame over Flare are:
>> - Better PDFs
>> - Less of learning curve for unstructured Frame, and possibly for
>> structured Frame
>>
>> I don't believe that Adobe has abandoned Frame, but they do charge an
>> insane amount for upgrades and the support is not so great, which is similar
>> to abandoning their users. Having said that, since I mainly produce PDFs, I
>> have no plans on switching to Flare any time soon.
>>
>> --
>> Shmuel Wolfson
>> Technical Writer
>> 058-763-7133
>>
>>
>> On 27-Jun-18 7:59 AM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think the issue in this conversation is about Adobe abandoning
>>> FM, but that the corporate model Adobe chooses to use has effectively driven
>>> a lot of us old timers out the door, into the arms of its competitors. Yes,
>>> there have been a bunch of new features and added support for functions that
>>> required external plug-in support previously, but the interface is actually
>>> quite hard for me to navigate now, especially now that so many keyboard
>>> commands have disappeared or changed.
>>>
>>> For me, my last favourite version was 7.2 on the Mac (which I still have
>>> running by the way, on a G5 tower). Sure it lacked all the fancy mod-cons of
>>> later versions but I could run that application for months at a time
>>> (without shutting down the computer or program) without issue. Can't say the
>>> same for the current version, I'm afraid. And as I said earlier, part of the
>>> reason was being locked out of the application due to licensing problems.
>>>
>>> Version 5.5.2 on Linux was fun while it lasted. Of course, one does miss
>>> the hominess of Frame Corp, but that was a long time ago now.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr Alan Litchfield
>>> AlphaByte
>>> PO Box 1941
>>> Auckland, New Zealand 1140
>>>
>>> On 27/06/18 13:42, ideasli...@ideastraining.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been hearing rumors of Adobe's abandonment of Frame for years, if
>>>> not
>>>> decades. The timing of these rumors is almost as regular as an atomic
>>>> clock...
>>>>
>>>> Abandonment hasn't happened yet. Oddly, I find the rumors tend to peak
>>>> before Adobe announces a new version. This list, or any public list, is
>>>> not
>>>> a good way to make a decision about FrameMaker. Those that know can't
>>>> say;
>>>> those that say usually don't know.
>>>>
>>>> David Creamer
>>>> IDEAS Training
>>>> __
>>>> All of these posts regarding Adobe's poor support/abandonment of FM are
>>>> one
>>>> of the reasons why my company decided to focus on another tool and
>>>> migrate
>>>> away from FM.  All of the technical publications staff (including me)
>>>> are
>>>> now using Madcap Flare and we have just completed a 2 year migration of
>>&g

Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
I found no new-user resources for structured FrameMaker when I looked
for them a few years ago. Adobe seems to presume that anyone who's
going to use it will hire a consultant or something.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/939735

I suggest you look at Oxygen XML Author.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 11:04 AM, cuc tu  wrote:
> Hello Frame-users,
>
> I’m not familiar with structuring authoring, so hoping to get some guidance 
> on creating DITA reference topics of programming commands. I'm spending a lot 
> of time searching for help and not getting very far for the time I'me 
> spending. ...
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Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
If you buy the $360-a-year subscription, are upgrades included? If
not, how much are they?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs Flare

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
Comparing Flare and standalone FrameMaker, HTML output is more customizable
and it's probably a better single-sourcing tool, except as regards PDF
targets.

Comparing Flare and FrameMaker plus RoboHelp or WebWorks ePublisher Pro,
hard to say. I'd probably take unstructured FrameMaker and WebWorks over
Flare if I had to choose.

The learning curve for FrameMaker is plenty steep if you've never used it
before.

Flare is $1648 with a year of email support and upgrades. You can add a
year of support and upgrades for $400 or two years for $325 each. If you
let your support expire, upgrades are $799, which I believe includes a year
of support and upgrades.

FrameMaker is $999 perpetual or $360 a year for a subscription that
includes upgrades. Are upgrades included in the subscription price or do
you have to pay for them?

A FrameMaker perpetual license seems like a bad deal since Adobe now
supports only the current version. In the long run, it would be cheaper to
subscribe.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

> It seems that the benefits of Flare over Frame are:
> - More customizable/better HTML output
> - Better support
> - Better single sourcing than unstructured Frame
> - They don't charge an arm and a leg to pay for upgrades
>
> The benefits of Frame over Flare are:
> - Better PDFs
> - Less of learning curve for unstructured Frame, and possibly for
> structured Frame
>
> I don't believe that Adobe has abandoned Frame, but they do charge an
> insane amount for upgrades and the support is not so great, which is
> similar to abandoning their users. Having said that, since I mainly produce
> PDFs, I have no plans on switching to Flare any time soon.
>
> --
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 058-763-7133
>
>
> On 27-Jun-18 7:59 AM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>
>> I don't think the issue in this conversation is about Adobe abandoning
>> FM, but that the corporate model Adobe chooses to use has effectively
>> driven a lot of us old timers out the door, into the arms of its
>> competitors. Yes, there have been a bunch of new features and added support
>> for functions that required external plug-in support previously, but the
>> interface is actually quite hard for me to navigate now, especially now
>> that so many keyboard commands have disappeared or changed.
>>
>> For me, my last favourite version was 7.2 on the Mac (which I still have
>> running by the way, on a G5 tower). Sure it lacked all the fancy mod-cons
>> of later versions but I could run that application for months at a time
>> (without shutting down the computer or program) without issue. Can't say
>> the same for the current version, I'm afraid. And as I said earlier, part
>> of the reason was being locked out of the application due to licensing
>> problems.
>>
>> Version 5.5.2 on Linux was fun while it lasted. Of course, one does miss
>> the hominess of Frame Corp, but that was a long time ago now.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> --
>> Dr Alan Litchfield
>> AlphaByte
>> PO Box 1941
>> Auckland, New Zealand 1140
>>
>> On 27/06/18 13:42, ideasli...@ideastraining.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've been hearing rumors of Adobe's abandonment of Frame for years, if
>>> not
>>> decades. The timing of these rumors is almost as regular as an atomic
>>> clock...
>>>
>>> Abandonment hasn't happened yet. Oddly, I find the rumors tend to peak
>>> before Adobe announces a new version. This list, or any public list, is
>>> not
>>> a good way to make a decision about FrameMaker. Those that know can't
>>> say;
>>> those that say usually don't know.
>>>
>>> David Creamer
>>> IDEAS Training
>>> __
>>> All of these posts regarding Adobe's poor support/abandonment of FM are
>>> one
>>> of the reasons why my company decided to focus on another tool and
>>> migrate
>>> away from FM.  All of the technical publications staff (including me) are
>>> now using Madcap Flare and we have just completed a 2 year migration of
>>> all
>>> FM documents into Flare.   It was a bit sad to say goodbye to FM, but the
>>> handwriting was on the wall.
>>>
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Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
Jeremy Griffith agreed with me on that. FM8 was the main version he
used to test MIF2Go.

All versions from FM9 on have the buggy UI layer that required me to
constantly take my hands off the keyboard.

Maxwell Hoffman followed up in 2012 and promised to get them fixed,
but they didn't make much progress, and then he moved to MadCap. To my
knowledge, it's still impossible to drive from the keyboard.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> Forced to use FM8 for a year and a half for a recent job, I'd have to 
> disagree that it was "the last solid version". More recent versions of FM are 
> at least as equally solid and have a lot of nice features lacking in FM8.
>
> Craig
> 
> From: Framers  on 
> behalf of Robert Lauriston 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:45 PM
> To: Ken Poshedly; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing
>
> The last solid version was FrameMaker 8. It had Unicode support but
> not the bizarre and buggy UI layer Adobe added in FM9.
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Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
By some definitions, XHTML is structured, but as a practical matter,
from a tech docs viewpoint, compared with DITA or DocBook, it's very
free-form. You're formatting text much as in unstructured FrameMaker.
You don't get nearly as many validation errors about "this tag can't
be used here."

MadCap marketing people work overtime to blur the distinction between
XHTML and DITA. And in fact Flare gives you many of the benefits of
DITA or DocBook with less overhead.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
 wrote:
> I guess it depends on what you describe as structured authoring.   Based on 
> my understanding of structured authoring per the DITA style guide, structured 
> authoring is "a standardized, methodological approach to content creation 
> incorporating systematic labelling, modular, topic-based architecture, 
> constrained writing environments, and the separation of content and form".   
> I do not consider myself an expert in this area, but based on that 
> description, I believe Flare falls into that category.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
>  On Behalf 
> Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:02 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Flare
>
> Flare isn't structured. The topic source is XHTML.
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) 
>  wrote:
>> As others have mentioned, it depends on your experience.  We were using 
>> unstructured Frame, so going from that to structured, topic-based authoring 
>> was a bit of a jump, let alone learning a new application too.  I am sure if 
>> you were already working with structured authoring, CSS, etc., you could 
>> adapt to Flare quickly.
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Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
The last solid version was FrameMaker 8. It had Unicode support but
not the bizarre and buggy UI layer Adobe added in FM9.

It still seems strange to me that Adobe used a sui generis UI layer
for a Windows-only application. Maybe it was cheaper to do that than
to map the core code that started in Unix to the Windows UI. If you
drill down in the UI, are there still some of those tiny, fixed-size
dialogs from the old days?

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 5:36 AM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
> ...  many still say the last good, solid version was FM 7.0 ...
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Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
Flare isn't structured. The topic source is XHTML.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
 wrote:
> As others have mentioned, it depends on your experience.  We were using 
> unstructured Frame, so going from that to structured, topic-based authoring 
> was a bit of a jump, let alone learning a new application too.  I am sure if 
> you were already working with structured authoring, CSS, etc., you could 
> adapt to Flare quickly.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Shmuel Wolfson 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:19 PM
> To: Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) ; 
> Framers - frameusers.com 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Flare
>
> Does it have a steeper learning curve than Frame?
>
>
> On 26-Jun-18 6:51 PM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote:
>> Rick,
>> I still consider myself a bit of a novice in Flare since, in my opinion, it 
>> has a steep learning curve.  But Madcap offers plenty of videos and free 
>> webinars on the basics of the software and my associates have shared many 
>> helpful tips and suggestions, so we all have gotten through the migration 
>> relatively painless.  We have had some issues with Madcap support, 
>> specifically when we ran into connectivity issues using its source control 
>> option to integrate with Microsoft Team Foundation Server.  They seemed to 
>> be very hesitant to get involved thinking it was an MS issue and not a Flare 
>> issue.  We were left to handle most of these source control issues with our 
>> companies' TFS administrators and developers.   But that has been the only 
>> blip in what has otherwise been very good support.  Their reps gets back to 
>> us with reported issues within a few  hours (our support plan provides 24 
>> hour email support as opposed to phone support)  and they are usually very 
>> responsive and helpful in is
 sue resolution.  Overall, I am very pleased with the application.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers
>>  On
>> Behalf Of Rick Quatro
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:25 AM
>> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Now that you are a couple of years into it, it would be good to hear what 
>> your satisfaction is with Flare versus FrameMaker. Thanks.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>> 585-729-6746 NEW!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers
>>  On Behalf
>> Of Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:55 AM
>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing
>>
>> All of these posts regarding Adobe's poor support/abandonment of FM are one 
>> of the reasons why my company decided to focus on another tool and migrate 
>> away from FM.  All of the technical publications staff (including me) are 
>> now using Madcap Flare and we have just completed a 2 year migration of all 
>> FM documents into Flare.   It was a bit sad to say goodbye to FM, but the 
>> handwriting was on the wall.
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Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
I'd had to learn CSS for lots of other reasons before I used it in Flare.

The first time you define print layouts with CSS there are a lot of
things to learn.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:36 AM, Jack DeLand  wrote:
> FWIW, I had taught RoboHelp for several years and wrote a chapter of one
> RoboHelp user guide. The big transition for me in moving to Flare was
> thinking up how to do page layouts using CSS and HTML as opposed to the more
> traditional DTP mindset.
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Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
Depends on your experience. I had used RoboHelp before I used Flare
and they're generally very similar.

Most of my problems with Flare were due to bad UI design or incomplete
or confusing documentation. Often I couldn't find features that I knew
were in there someplace. I got answers to most of my questions quickly
on forums.madcapsoftware.com, and when I didn't that was usually
because Flare couldn't do that particular thing.

If you've never used any topic-oriented authoring tool (Oxygen,
XMetal, RoboHelp, Paligo, really any single-source authoring tool
except FrameMaker), there's probably more of a learning curve.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> Does it have a steeper learning curve than Frame?
>
>
> On 26-Jun-18 6:51 PM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote:
>>
>> Rick,
>> I still consider myself a bit of a novice in Flare since, in my opinion,
>> it has a steep learning curve.  But Madcap offers plenty of videos and free
>> webinars on the basics of the software and my associates have shared many
>> helpful tips and suggestions, so we all have gotten through the migration
>> relatively painless.  We have had some issues with Madcap support,
>> specifically when we ran into connectivity issues using its source control
>> option to integrate with Microsoft Team Foundation Server.  They seemed to
>> be very hesitant to get involved thinking it was an MS issue and not a Flare
>> issue.  We were left to handle most of these source control issues with our
>> companies' TFS administrators and developers.   But that has been the only
>> blip in what has otherwise been very good support.  Their reps gets back to
>> us with reported issues within a few  hours (our support plan provides 24
>> hour email support as opposed to phone support)  and they are usually very
>> responsive and helpful in issue resolution.  Overall, I am very pleased with
>> the application.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers
>>  On
>> Behalf Of Rick Quatro
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:25 AM
>> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Now that you are a couple of years into it, it would be good to hear what
>> your satisfaction is with Flare versus FrameMaker. Thanks.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>> 585-729-6746 NEW!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers 
>> On Behalf Of Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:55 AM
>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing
>>
>> All of these posts regarding Adobe's poor support/abandonment of FM are
>> one of the reasons why my company decided to focus on another tool and
>> migrate away from FM.  All of the technical publications staff (including
>> me) are now using Madcap Flare and we have just completed a 2 year migration
>> of all FM documents into Flare.   It was a bit sad to say goodbye to FM, but
>> the handwriting was on the wall.
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Re: [Framers] When/which was the first 32-bit version of FM?

2018-06-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
I'm not sure there ever was a 16-bit version. It was originally
developed on a 32-bit Sun-2 workstation and Windows 3.11 supported
Win32s.

On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> We know that the first Windows port of FM was for Win 3.11 must have been a 
> 16-bit
> version.
> And According to the Sneak Peak review at the tekom last november we know 
> that a
> 64-bit version is in the pipeline (intended for Win7 upwards).
> So I'm wondering, when the first 32-bit version of FM was issued for Windows 
> (and
> which Windows). What was the FM-version of this edition?
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Re: [Framers] XML Requirements

2018-06-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
What does this doc look like to end users? Is that going to change, or
will it stay the same and the developers just want you to reduce the
amount of work they have to do?

Is their ideal that they could just plug what you give them into their project?

Are we talking about a web application here?

If your software team wants you to provide different output, there's
no reason they should care what source format or tools you use.

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 2:36 PM, cuc tu  wrote:
> Our software team has said they are going to switch their input from plainly 
> formatted HTML to XML. I'm hoping to get some advice on what should be 
> required from them. I am only familiar with unstructured Frame and so far we 
> have manually processed the entire content dump for each update (and could 
> probably continue that way).  Also, I do not know what the software team 
> thinks XML structure is like. I suspect it will be just like the HTML, a 
> series of nested open/close tags, just as is the HTML. I suspect they will 
> not get on with any kind of semantic mark-up.
>
>
> The content is very similar to a dictionary where you have a term and a 
> number attributes. My first thought is to consider Lightweight DITA, but that 
> might be too much to get set up, and it does not fit with everything else so 
> I'm wondering if there is a particular structure we should suggest, and one 
> that can be leveraged somehow by FrameMaker? (the dev team is already down on 
> FM when they learned it cannot simply open HTML files and display readable 
> content, or I don't know how).
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Re: [Framers] Follow up to Adobe "support"

2018-06-07 Thread Robert Lauriston
Flare's superior to FrameMaker + ePublisher Pro in most ways, but as
with any topic-based single-sourcing tool, getting
professional-looking PDFs can be a lot of work, and you might spend a
lot of time dealing with bad page breaks.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 11:06 AM,   wrote:

> I was evaluating two approaches for a new client project - either Flare or
> Adobe FM/ePub and guess what? Adobe just made the decision for me like that
> - Flare here I come.
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Re: [Framers] Adobe "support?""

2018-06-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
Adobe support was good ~20 years ago, when I started using it.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Carol J. Elkins
 wrote:
> Don't we all long for the days when Frame Technologies owned Framemaker and
> there was actually good customer support? ...
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

2018-05-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Windows 8.1 is supported through 2023.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
>
> Going back to Windows 7 (which I liked) might be tempting, but in the long 
> run, it'll wind up just like Windows XP, forgotten and unsupported.
>
>   From: quills 
>  To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
>  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 5:27 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing
>
> Sue Microsoft in a class action suite for monopolistic actions.
>
> > On May 27, 2018, at 12:27, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> >
> > Upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1.
> >
> >> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Ken Poshedly  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's something I didn't need to have happen on a Saturday night. And I 
> >> suspect the cause seems to be Windows 10 updates.
> >>
> >> Worked on some FM 10.0 files Saturday morning and all was well and was 
> >> able to print to my Samsung C1810W color laserjet printer.
> >>
> >> I knew Windows had downloaded updates the night before because I was 
> >> prompted to do a restart. I postponed the restart until I completed my 
> >> work. Sometime later in the day on Saturday when I was out cutting the 
> >> lawn, the automatic restart occurred and the Windows 10 updates finished 
> >> installing.
> >>
> >> Late that night when I tried to print in FrameMaker, I got a pop-up with 
> >> "FrameMaker" in the top left corner and the statement, "Cannot print 
> >> because the selected default printer is not compatible with FrameMaker. 
> >> (Cannot query escape 768.)" This also occurred when I tried to print to 
> >> the "Adobe" printer as well.
> >>
> >> By the way, it prints a Word file just fine. And NO, I did not diddle with 
> >> FM or do anything else today with it.
> >>
> >> After doing some online searching, I learned how to go back to the 
> >> previous Windows 10 "build" and now can print once more from FM.
> >>
> >> But now I'm paranoid about Windows 10 updates once more screwing with my 
> >> settings. I am aware that I can somehow install only the updates I want 
> >> but not others.
> >>
> >> So what gives and how to end this predicament? Details please.
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

2018-05-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
Windows 10 is spyware and the auto-upgrade routine in Windows 7 and
8.1 is a virus. You can install a tool such as GWX or Never10 to block
the virus.

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Would (go back to Windows 7) if I could but can’t so I won’t. Windows 10 did 
> an automatic install when I had Windows 7, and I don’t want to repeat that 
> debacle.
>
>> On May 27, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote:
>>
>> Upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1.
>>
>>> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's something I didn't need to have happen on a Saturday night. And I 
>>> suspect the cause seems to be Windows 10 updates.
>>>
>>> Worked on some FM 10.0 files Saturday morning and all was well and was able 
>>> to print to my Samsung C1810W color laserjet printer.
>>>
>>> I knew Windows had downloaded updates the night before because I was 
>>> prompted to do a restart. I postponed the restart until I completed my 
>>> work. Sometime later in the day on Saturday when I was out cutting the 
>>> lawn, the automatic restart occurred and the Windows 10 updates finished 
>>> installing.
>>>
>>> Late that night when I tried to print in FrameMaker, I got a pop-up with 
>>> "FrameMaker" in the top left corner and the statement, "Cannot print 
>>> because the selected default printer is not compatible with FrameMaker. 
>>> (Cannot query escape 768.)" This also occurred when I tried to print to the 
>>> "Adobe" printer as well.
>>>
>>> By the way, it prints a Word file just fine. And NO, I did not diddle with 
>>> FM or do anything else today with it.
>>>
>>> After doing some online searching, I learned how to go back to the previous 
>>> Windows 10 "build" and now can print once more from FM.
>>>
>>> But now I'm paranoid about Windows 10 updates once more screwing with my 
>>> settings. I am aware that I can somehow install only the updates I want but 
>>> not others.
>>>
>>> So what gives and how to end this predicament? Details please.
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

2018-05-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
Upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1.

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
>
> Here's something I didn't need to have happen on a Saturday night. And I 
> suspect the cause seems to be Windows 10 updates.
>
> Worked on some FM 10.0 files Saturday morning and all was well and was able 
> to print to my Samsung C1810W color laserjet printer.
>
> I knew Windows had downloaded updates the night before because I was prompted 
> to do a restart. I postponed the restart until I completed my work. Sometime 
> later in the day on Saturday when I was out cutting the lawn, the automatic 
> restart occurred and the Windows 10 updates finished installing.
>
> Late that night when I tried to print in FrameMaker, I got a pop-up with 
> "FrameMaker" in the top left corner and the statement, "Cannot print because 
> the selected default printer is not compatible with FrameMaker. (Cannot query 
> escape 768.)" This also occurred when I tried to print to the "Adobe" printer 
> as well.
>
> By the way, it prints a Word file just fine. And NO, I did not diddle with FM 
> or do anything else today with it.
>
> After doing some online searching, I learned how to go back to the previous 
> Windows 10 "build" and now can print once more from FM.
>
> But now I'm paranoid about Windows 10 updates once more screwing with my 
> settings. I am aware that I can somehow install only the updates I want but 
> not others.
>
> So what gives and how to end this predicament? Details please.
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Re: [Framers] AUGH! I hate it when Adobe breaks existing behavior

2018-05-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
The original UI makeover in FrameMaker 9 broke a lot of keyboard
shortcuts that Adobe never fixed.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Harding, Dan  wrote:
> Pardon me for the rant, but I need to vent.
>
> I just recently upgraded from Frame 2012 to Frame 2017 as the former doesn't 
> work at all with high resolution displays. However, in the process I've 
> discovered that Adobe has broken several things... and there's nothing more 
> annoying than lazy programming.
>
> 1. The interface design industry has become so touch and mouse-centric, that 
> it has forgotten to make sure things work when navigating via keyboard. When 
> they redesigned all of the pods, no one bothered to make sure the fields and 
> controls are in proper tab order so that one can move between them 
> efficiently by using TAB and Alt-TAB. That's my preferred method of quick 
> access. The tab order jumps all around the damned pods; up, down, back, 
> there's no rhyme or reason. That's just lazy developers ignoring tab order 
> attributes in their dev environment.
>
> 2. This one REALLY is annoying and is causing me all sorts of problems. Using 
> HOME or END to jump to the beginning or end of a line USED to work correctly, 
> meaning that it would move you to the actual beginning or end, i.e., at the 
> beginning of the line the cursor would be placed before any markers or 
> anchors and at the end of a line the cursor would be placed after any markers 
> or anchors at the end of the line. That has changed so that using HOME and 
> END now only move you to the VISUAL beginning or ends of lines. In other 
> words, hitting HOME on a line that has markers or anchored objects at the 
> beginning of the line will put the cursor BETWEEN the markers and the first 
> text character, and at the end of the line, the cursor will be placed before 
> any markers or anchors. This makes it very difficult to keep invisible 
> stacked items on the lines they should be when editing.
>
> What possible advantage would this change have over the previous behavior?
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Re: [Framers] Word to Frame Again - pictures/screenshots

2018-05-13 Thread Robert Lauriston
You can get all images as files by changing the Word file's extension
from .docx to .zip and extracting it.

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
> ... what about the screen captures and diagrams; Frame of course imports
> all the graphics straight into the doc.
>
> Should I leave them as is, or is the correct and best thing to do, to erase
> them all, and import by reference?  (always supposing that I can find them?)
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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

2018-05-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
In FrameMaker, is there any way to create a block of code you can
select by double- or triple-clicking?

That seems far more useful to me than the appearance. If the box
doesn't indicate that I'd just skip it.

I certainly wouldn't wrap the code in a table since that can make
extra work when you're generating HTML or migrating from FrameMaker to
another tool.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am going to import a set of Word files to Frame.
>
> I am working on setting up a template in Frame which contains styles that
> look like the styles in Word (where this is feasible)
>
> The Word template put program code in a little grey box.
>
> i.e the text is courier etc. with a border around it, and pale grey fill.
>
> Can such a paragraph tag be made in FrameMaker? If so, how?
>
> I do not mind spending time setting this up, but after this I would want to
> use it easily using keyboard shortcuts (F9 etc)
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously

2018-05-03 Thread Robert Lauriston
To my knowledge, there's no practical way to do that kind of parallel
updating of doc versions using unstructured FrameMaker.

If updating multiple versions of the doc is a requirement, you should
evaluate other tools with better support for reuse, versioning,
variable sets, and profiling. Paligo works great for me and is
reasonably priced, but there are other alternatives, including
Author-it, Flare plus MadCap Central, and structured FrameMaker with
DITAToo or some other compatible CMS.

Switching from unstructured to structured FrameMaker could be a lot
more work than switching to Flare, which can directly import
FrameMaker files, or Paligo, which can import XHTML exported from
FrameMaker.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Caroline Tabach
<caroline.tab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So is Paligo instead of FrameMaker?
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
> בתאריך יום ד׳, 2 במאי 2018, 23:41, מאת Robert Lauriston ‏<
> rob...@lauriston.com>:
>
>> The way I have things set up on Paligo, when we ship, say, release
>> 1.2, I branch the 1.2 doc to create the 1.3 doc, and  update the
>> version number variable in the 1.3 doc to reflect the new number.
>>
>> At that point, all the topics are the same. If I generate the 1.3 doc,
>> it's identical to the 1.2 doc except that all of the version number
>> references say 1.3.
>>
>> For a  new feature, I add a topic to 1.3, and it appears only in that doc.
>>
>> When I have a correction to a topic that applies to both 1.2 and 1.3,
>> I make the change in either one, and both docs are updated.
>>
>> When I have a change that applies only to 1.3, I branch the topic and
>> make the change in the 1.3 version.
>>
>> When I have a change that applies to both branches of a branched topic
>> (fairly rare), I can make the change in one and reuse the relevant
>> paragraph(s) in the other. Sometimes the paragraphs are already reused
>> so I just make the change in one place.
>>
>> This approach greatly reduces the amount of work required to maintain
>> docs for multiple releases. It also reduces the likelihood of errors.
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously

2018-05-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
The way I have things set up on Paligo, when we ship, say, release
1.2, I branch the 1.2 doc to create the 1.3 doc, and  update the
version number variable in the 1.3 doc to reflect the new number.

At that point, all the topics are the same. If I generate the 1.3 doc,
it's identical to the 1.2 doc except that all of the version number
references say 1.3.

For a  new feature, I add a topic to 1.3, and it appears only in that doc.

When I have a correction to a topic that applies to both 1.2 and 1.3,
I make the change in either one, and both docs are updated.

When I have a change that applies only to 1.3, I branch the topic and
make the change in the 1.3 version.

When I have a change that applies to both branches of a branched topic
(fairly rare), I can make the change in one and reuse the relevant
paragraph(s) in the other. Sometimes the paragraphs are already reused
so I just make the change in one place.

This approach greatly reduces the amount of work required to maintain
docs for multiple releases. It also reduces the likelihood of errors.
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously

2018-05-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
The nature of software releases means that the number of conditions
would grow indefinitely. I don't see how this would not eventually
become unmanageable.

DITA (which is just a text markup standard) doesn't make sense if you
don't have a lot more reuse than simply maintaining multiple versions
of a doc. Typically it's cost-effective in large organizations where
multiple products share features (and thus can reuse content in their
docs) and the docs are translated into multiple languages, and in that
context it defines the format for files that are managed by a
compatible CMS, which is integrated with an editor such as Oxygen and
often custom code for generating PDF, online help, static HTML for web
sites, etc.

For a small or medium-sized company, DITA's almost certainly the wrong
choice. Paligo and I believe Author-it provide integrated systems with
similar features. Flare with MadCap Central may also be a practical
and cost-effective alternative.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Keith Soltys  wrote:
> I think it would depend on how many simultaneous versions you have to
> manage. I've done something similar in Frame where I had to keep three
> different versions of a document from one set of source files - there were
> different features for different roles, not versions per se, but the
> problem was the same. I did it with conditions - the tricky part was where
> I had overlapping information; for example, something applies to A and B
> but not C and something else applies to B and C but not A. If memory
> serves, I ended up with 14 separate conditionals because I also had
> separate print an online formats to manage. It was doable, but very
> finicky, and I wouldn't do it again if there were more than three major
> variants. (This was before Frame came out with conditional expressions,
> which might have simplified things a little, but it would still be
> finicky).
>
> I have not used it, but I have been told that DITA is a better solution
> here; but I couldn't say whether structured Frame or something like Oxygen
> with a back-end CMS would be better.
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously

2018-05-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
I switched to Paligo in part because it's very good at maintaining
multiple versions and handling reuse across versions. It has an
integrated CMS that handles that stuff.

I presume that structured FrameMaker with a compatible CMS that
supports reuse can do what I do with Paligo, but switching from
structured to unstructured might be more work than migrating to
Paligo, Author-it, or some other integrated system.

Trying to do that with conditional text in unstructured FrameMaker
would be a nightmare. What happens in a few years when you've
accumulated five or ten versions?

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Caroline Tabach
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> I have been asked what SW writing tool can manage versions.
>
> At first I thought "version control" like you have in Software, but I found
> they meant maintaining multiple versions of the User guides at the same
> time.
>
> For instance, even when SW version 4 is released we will still have to
> update and maintain SW version 3, as features are added and developed.
>
> Some things in these versions are totally different, and some are the same
> and need to be updated in the same way in both guides.
>
> I was asked if there is a magic writing tool that does this.
>
> I think we could use conditional text in FrameMaker to do this, but in the
> end it is the writer who must set it up and manage it.
>
> Do other people encounter this scenario?
> What do you do?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

2018-04-25 Thread Robert Lauriston
I worked with Jeremy trying to make MIF2Go a solid way to migrate from
FrameMaker to Confluence. We got OK results page by page, but
cross-references between pages were a sticking point and Atlassian was
not helpful. He posted to this list about it on 22 March 2013. I'd
post what we came up with but that was at my last job and I don't have
the files or email.

https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Answers-Developer-Questions/Converting-from-FrameMaker-to-Confluence-4/qaq-p/521731#27775

On the bright side, once you get fed up with Atlassian and decide to
move on, it's a lot easier to get content *out* of Confluence. I used
Scroll DocBook Exporter to migrate to Paligo.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Ryan  wrote:
> My company is preparing to copy numerous FrameMaker 7 manuals to Confluence.  
> Based on past postings among contributors to this list (including the late 
> Jeremy Griffith at OMSYS), I've developed a working method for converting 
> legacy FM chapters via Mif2Go to Confluence-friendly XHTML that can be 
> imported into Confluence's "<>" Source Editor.  There are a GREAT MANY 
> bothersome prerequisites and manual-tweak steps, but it seems to be my only 
> recourse.  I've tested the method on a few chapters and it seems to work, but 
> have not begun my all out assault on the dozens of manuals I'll ultimately 
> need to convert over.
>
> Not sure if Mif2Go will work on the latest versions of FrameMaker, so this 
> all may be moot.
>
> The process is too long to paste politely into a single Framers posting, but 
> I'll gladly share it with anyone privately on request.
>
> The types of steps required included:
>
> * Obtain latest version (including beta modules) of Mif2Go, as only this 
> contains Jeremy's Confluence-friendly output options
> * Remove any tables from anchored frames
> * All images must be reinserted within Confluence later
> * Compound images are lost and must be preserved independently of FM (for 
> example by making images incorporating its screen shots, call outs, line art, 
> etc. into one graphic)
> * Links, Footnotes, and Small caps must be marked for fixing later in 
> Confluence as they don't convert well
> * Remove discretionary hyphens
> * Numbered lists need to be recreated manually  in Confluence
> * Links and cross references need to be recreated manually  in Confluence
> * Unexpected character formatting must be corrected in Confluence
> * Check for bad image references in IE (ok in Chrome and Firefox)
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

2018-04-25 Thread Robert Lauriston
The WebWorks ePublisher thing mentioned in that book came out just as
Confluence was switching from wiki markup (versions 3 and earlier) to
XHTML (versions 4 and later). it converted FrameMaker docs to an awful
mess of Confluence 3 wiki markup and macros that rendered OK but was
not editable. WebWorks never updated it to support XHTML.

The book itself suffered from similar bad timing. She wrote it about
Confluence 3 and wiki markup but it wasn't published until Confluence
4 had been out for a while. The passage about import options reflects
Confluence 3. From 4.0 on (current release is 6.8), the only supported
import format other than wiki markup has been Microsoft Word.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Lore Eargle  wrote:
> I stumbled on a copy of "Confluence, Techcomm, and Chocolate" by Sarah
> Maddox yesterday as I was searching for information on converting
> documentation to Confluence. She was working at Atlassian at the time she
> wrote this.
>
> See
> https://xmlpress.net/wp-content/uploads/ctcc/Confluence-Techcomm-Chocolate.pdf
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

2018-04-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
The HTML Macro doesn't really make much sense since the switch from
wiki markup to XHTML in Confluence 4. It's disabled by default.

In Confluence Server, you can install the Source Editor plugin and paste HTML.

You can also copy rendered HTML in a browser and paste it in the
regular Confluence WYSIWYG editor. If I remember right, Chrome works
best for that.

I hope you're migrating to Confluence Server rather than Confluence
Cloud, which supports a very limited set of plugins, not including
Source Editor or Scroll PDF Exporter. With Confluence Cloud, you also
never know when Atlassian is going to roll out some ill-conceived or
badly designed "improvement" that screws things up.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> It's been a couple years and releases, but I would use/try the Frame
> Publish to HTML5 to export and the Confluence HTML Macro to import.
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