Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-28 Thread David Creamer
I can do that with the TCS versions of Frame, so I except it is the same with the standalone subscription. However, I don't think you can install an earlier version than when you started your subscription, but I'm not sure. David Creamer IDEAS Training It used to be that you

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-27 Thread Craig Ede
It used to be that you could have more than one version of a program available in the Creative Cloud subscription. I would expect that to be the same with FrameMaker? Can someone confirm that? Craig ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-27 Thread David Creamer
Subscriptions include upgrades, but you are not required to upgrade if you don't want to. I subscribe to the Technical Communication Suite, which includes FrameMaker. I usually have to wait a month or two before the Suite is updated to include a new version of the software programs in the Suite.

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-27 Thread Craig Ede
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing If you buy the $360-a-year subscription, are upgrades included? If not, how much are they? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
If you buy the $360-a-year subscription, are upgrades included? If not, how much are they? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-27 Thread Craig Ede
Two good points made in the last couple of emails on this topic: Adobe charges too much for FM upgrades. July would be the logical time to expect a new release. Adobe could surprise us all with an upgrade price that is reasonable for a change. Craig BTW: If I had to pick and old version of

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Alan Litchfield
I don't think the issue in this conversation is about Adobe abandoning FM, but that the corporate model Adobe chooses to use has effectively driven a lot of us old timers out the door, into the arms of its competitors. Yes, there have been a bunch of new features and added support for

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread ideaslists
I've been hearing rumors of Adobe's abandonment of Frame for years, if not decades. The timing of these rumors is almost as regular as an atomic clock... Abandonment hasn't happened yet. Oddly, I find the rumors tend to peak before Adobe announces a new version. This list, or any public list, is

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
r people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing > > The last solid version was FrameMaker 8. It had Unicode support but > not the bizarre and buggy UI layer Adobe added in FM9. ___ This mes

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Same here. Z -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:34 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing Jack, I just have not gotten

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Craig Ede
on behalf of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:45 PM To: Ken Poshedly; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing The last solid version was FrameMaker 8. It had Unicode support but not the bizarre and buggy UI layer A

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Peter Gold
esday, June 26, 2018 12:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing > > Hi, Ken: > > Thanks for the brief trip through memory lane. > > As to InDesign as a replacement for FrameMaker for technical publications, > IMO one major obstacle to this is that design

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
The last solid version was FrameMaker 8. It had Unicode support but not the bizarre and buggy UI layer Adobe added in FM9. It still seems strange to me that Adobe used a sui generis UI layer for a Windows-only application. Maybe it was cheaper to do that than to map the core code that started in

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Ken Poshedly
. Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing Hi, Ken: Thanks for the brief trip through memory lane. As to InDesign as a replacement for FrameMaker for technical publications, IMO one major obstacle to this is that designers, who are its

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Peter Gold
supports Corel Ventura (still available but supposedly > last updated in 2002). > > > > From: "Harding, Dan" > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:20 AM &

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing Mark, Now that you are a couple of years into it, it would be good to hear what your satisfaction is with Flare versus FrameMaker. Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Grant Hogarth
Some of us use both; different clients have different requirements. Grant -- Original Message -- From: "Jack DeLand" To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'" Sent: 6/26/2018 9:39:08 AM Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe L

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Jack DeLand
http://www.adamcharlesconsulting.com/ -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:34 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing Jack, I just have not gotten ar

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing And now I wonder how many closet Flare users are on this list. Jack DeLand • Principal Adam Charles Consulting, LLC 734 972 3026 https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland/ http://www.adamcharlesconsulting.com

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Jack DeLand
, June 26, 2018 11:25 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing Mark, Now that you are a couple of years into it, it would be good to hear what your satisfaction is with Flare versus FrameMaker. Thanks. Rick Rick

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Rick Quatro
, Mark (King of Prussia) Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:55 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing All of these posts regarding Adobe's poor support/abandonment of FM are one of the reasons why my company decided

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
All of these posts regarding Adobe's poor support/abandonment of FM are one of the reasons why my company decided to focus on another tool and migrate away from FM. All of the technical publications staff (including me) are now using Madcap Flare and we have just completed a 2 year migration

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Ken Poshedly
grudged necessary evil that no one there really wants the hassles of dealing with, hoping that it will just die and go away. -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:55 AM To: Peter Gold ; Framers - frameusers.com Subject: Re: [

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Harding, Dan
just die and go away. -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:55 AM To: Peter Gold ; Framers - frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing Why does everyone feel that Adobe is abandoning

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-26 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Why does everyone feel that Adobe is abandoning FrameMaker? In the latest version they redid the menus and added a shortcut to finding menu items. They also claim to have fixed some long-standing bugs. My only gripe is the high price for upgrades. But they do seem to be working on the

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-25 Thread Peter Gold
These recent threads about licensing and related Adobe corporate-level failings, and the associated sense of abandonment that's been voiced by long-long-long-time FrameMaker users who represent a community of talented technical authors and publishers prompt me to think "Is there any next step that

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-24 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
that at all. Regards, Z -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 4:31 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing Thanks for the update Tammy. It is pretty

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-23 Thread Jack DeLand
- From: Framers On Behalf Of D L Reynolds Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 11:42 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing What a shame. I remember when the Adobe folks were the good guys. Tammy, please keep us updated on your Flare experience

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-23 Thread D L Reynolds
What a shame. I remember when the Adobe folks were the good guys. Tammy, please keep us updated on your Flare experience. — Donna Reynolds ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-23 Thread Peter Gold
some of this good karma can rub off > on > you!! > > TGIF!!! > > TVB > > > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On > Behalf Of Ric

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-22 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Tammy and all Framers: In response to a comment I posted on this list a few weeks ago I received a couple of responses from alleged Adobe folks, both private and public. One in particular seemed to make the best and clearest statement of the problem. It was so innocent and naïve I won't

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-22 Thread tammyvb
ick Quatro Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 8:30 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing I agree that this is a situation that should have never happened. Because of some software pirates, Adobe puts its loyal custome

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-22 Thread Jules Harrell
Tammy, this is a licensing issue that is happening worldwide. What they have is discovery software to see who's doing what and they can charge you now for holding onto that license and attempting to use the software. I have a friend who is a software contract negotiator. She's explained this to me

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-21 Thread Rick Quatro
: Thursday, June 21, 2018 7:04 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing So, I had some offlist inquiries about how the licensing issue went with Adobe, and in a nutshell, it didn't. Here's a quick summary: 1

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-21 Thread Alan Litchfield
Thanks for the update Tammy. It is pretty much as I predicted and as a matter of interest, this week I also got confirmation that my licensing issue will remain unaddressed by Adobe. These days, FM makes a very small proportion of my time and I am thinking about cancelling my monthly sub. It

[Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

2018-06-21 Thread tammyvb
So, I had some offlist inquiries about how the licensing issue went with Adobe, and in a nutshell, it didn't. Here's a quick summary: 1. Adobe wants proof of purchase or invoice for this extremely old software. I bought it so long ago (when it first came out), that I simply do not have