Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-18 Thread David Creamer
>Not tagged. Never do that. Tagged PDFs should be used unless there is a problem with using the setting. They are required for PDF reviews, 508 accessibility, Acrobat editing and export*. *Non-tagged PDFs tend to treat each line as a separate paragraph, while tagged PDFs "remember" the paragraph

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-18 Thread quills
I have found that RTF is a much more robust and dependable format than Word .docx format. No surprise there. We always used Tags in PDF, so we have a relatively seamless exchange in formats. > On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:57, Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote: > > Mike, > Thanks. Good

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-18 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
Mike, Thanks. Good to know! :-) Bodvar On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > If you're going to convert to Word from PDF, you might want to used tagged > PDF for the conversion. Original PDF was not interested in the data, only > its position. PDFs

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-18 Thread Mike Wickham
If you're going to convert to Word from PDF, you might want to used tagged PDF for the conversion. Original PDF was not interested in the data, only its position. PDFs purpose is page layout. The idea of PDF is to create a document that looks exactly the same on every computer screen, with no

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-18 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
Mike, Not tagged. Never do that. On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:09 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: > Bodvar, > > It might depend on whether the PDF was saved as tagged PDF or not. > > Mike Wickham > > On 4/17/2018 12:35 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote: > >> Peter Gold, >> pdf-ed by

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-17 Thread Mike Wickham
Bodvar, It might depend on whether the PDF was saved as tagged PDF or not. Mike Wickham On 4/17/2018 12:35 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote: Peter Gold, pdf-ed by printing book from FM 2013 to file, then distilling. In Acrobat Save as Word. My only guess is that this font is a bit more

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-17 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
Peter Gold, pdf-ed by printing book from FM 2013 to file, then distilling. In Acrobat Save as Word. My only guess is that this font is a bit more exaggerated serif than the standard Times (etc.) and the font size was only 10 pt. Also, it seemed to create a text frame on each page for the

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-17 Thread Peter Gold
This reminds me of a story I heard back when edlin, an early text editor had been left in the dust by newer tools. Allegedly, an engineer wrote a 60-page document using edlin, since it was the only tool he knew then. It just proves that stick-to-it-ness has some value. As to one-word-per-line,

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-17 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
I just tried to save a 200 page pdf to Word in Acrobat X Pro and almost all word spaces disappeared (10pt/14 Esprit font), so I had just one very long word for each line, more or less. Saving to rtf worked fine and I was able to spellcheck my Icelandic (not supported by FM yet) document in

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Jeff C
PDF to Word works, mostly. I was surprised the conversion of a 57MB PDF file successfully converted to Word. Graphics get scrambled however, so give a warning. I have a few SMEs who want a Word version to mark up. Ugh. I get comments about how bad the graphics are all the time... Jeff ++

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
Major limitation, you can't save a whole book to RTF, only an individual .fm file. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Carrie Baker
Sometimes people ask for Word so they can give comments. But this would not be to convert files, just to get comments I בתאריך יום ב׳, 16 באפר׳ 2018, 18:09, מאת Robert Lauriston ‏< rob...@lauriston.com>: > FrameMaker by itself can't export to Word. You might get better Word > output by

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Art Campbell
Get the full version of Acrobat too. TCS is the best way to go. Includes both and other tools that may be useful, but which you don't know you need yet because it's a new gig. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Harding, Dan
amers-bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 10:09 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too? FrameMaker by itsel

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Johan Anglemark
FrameMaker can save as RTF, which can be opened in Word and saved as Word. Close enough. -j On 2018-04-16 17:09, Robert Lauriston wrote: FrameMaker by itself can't export to Word. You might get better Word output by linking a FrameMaker project to RoboHelp than by saving as PDF and then

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker by itself can't export to Word. You might get better Word output by linking a FrameMaker project to RoboHelp than by saving as PDF and then saving as Word from Acrobat. On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:57 AM, Carrie Baker wrote: > Thanks. > So you cannot enable the pdf

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Carrie Baker
Thanks. So you cannot enable the pdf for commenting without the full suite? And how about export to Word from PDF, do you get that from the subset? In my previous position I had the full suite, so that is why I am asking בתאריך יום ב׳, 16 באפר׳ 2018, 17:49, מאת Robert Lauriston ‏<

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker, which includes a subset of Acrobat and RoboHelp features, is $1000. The PDF settings let you specify the start page: https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2017/using/using-framemaker-2017/frm_generating_output/Configure_PDF_settings-.htm For $1700, you can get Adobe Technical

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
iginal Message- From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Carrie Baker Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 8:59 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too? Hi I moved to a new job and they want to bu

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread john . x . posada
@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 8:59 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too? Hi I moved to a new job and they want to buy Frame for me. How exciting! I wanted to ask. Do I need to buy Acrobat too? Or us Frame enough? To make

[Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Carrie Baker
Hi I moved to a new job and they want to buy Frame for me. How exciting! I wanted to ask. Do I need to buy Acrobat too? Or us Frame enough? To make pdf files, and also to fix the page they open to etc. Thanks! ___ This message is from the Framers