FW: ePP is ignoring filename markers
Haha. Thanks, Mike. Rick, follow the thread below for the workaround. Everyone on the list who doesn't care about this, sorry I'm adding a grown-rather-lengthy thread. Perhaps the workaround will interest some folks. Seems that each help generation software I've researched has a rather steep learning curve of mastering bits of obscure logic. :) Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:06 AM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Sure. Tell him if he can automate that, I'll buy a couple copies of FrameScript! (Actually, we have been meaning to for a long time.) Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:05 AM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Rick Quatro asked for your workaround in case it can be automated with framescript. Would you be comfortable with my or your sharing it with the list? If not, I totally understand. I'm a bit dubious that something as extensive as this (with ePP involved) could be automated, but still. :) Cheers, Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers I took a couple stabs using various various trial versions of Flare and went to a sales presentation, but I was just having a hard time figuring it out. And their FrameMaker support wasn't that great. We used Frame and WebWorks 7 for a long time and just switched to epub six months ago. It wasn't cheap and it has been a bit of a pain. We keep bumping into problems and constantly get told it will be fixed in the next release. My tech writer is at the WebWorks Roundup conference this week. Hopefully he is picking up solutions to all of our woes. Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:57 PM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Thanks! Whew, that is ugly. :) I appreciate your itemization of such weirdness! I'll try the duplicate filename markers first, with my fingers crossed... We have our budget plan coming up and I'm thinking switching to MadCap Flare. Have you tried that software at all? If you have, I'd be interested in your opinion of it. Cheers, Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:05 PM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Hi Callie, Let's say my help file has three topics, A, B, and C in that order. If there is an anchored frame in the section of my FrameMaker file that contains the contents of topic B, then the filename marker for C would be ignored. The markers in A and B would work, but not C. At one point Quadralay was saying you could work around the bug by putting two identical filename markers in each topic. That didn't work for me, but you might try it. I wound up adding passthrough code in my FrameMaker files that generated the same HTML as the anchored frame. Then I hid the anchored frame using conditional text. The ePub help file has a fairly good explanation of how to do this, but here's the steps that I followed: 1. I created a new condition in FrameMaker called Screenshot and applied it to the anchored. 2. I created a second new condition in FrameMaker called PassThroughCode 3. I generated my Help file with the Screenshot condition turned on. Then I copied the HTML for each screenshot directly below the corresponding anchored frame in FrameMaker. 4. I applied the PassThroughCode condition to the HTML that I added in FrameMaker. 5. In the Output directory of my epub project, I made a copy of my graphics folder and I would have copies of all the screenshots. 6. In epub I selected Project Conditions and added the new conditions. And I checked the PassThrough box for the PassThroughCode condition. I set Screenshot to Hidden and PassThroughCode to Visible and generate the help again. 7. Restore any missing graphics to your Output directory from the copy of the graphics folder you created earlier. 8. If you are creating WebWorks Help, your are done. If you are creating a chm file, run the project through HTMLHelp Workshop. It's a pretty ugly solution, but it's all I could think of at the time. I just need to bite the bullet and upgrade to the latest version of epub and hope the problem is actually fixed. Hope that helps, Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:55 PM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Thanks again for this message, Mike. I just thought of a question. Do you mean that the graphic is the last thing in one topic, before the heading of another topic that gets missed because of the anchored frame just above? Or do you mean that any
FW: ePP is ignoring filename markers
Haha. Thanks, Mike. Rick, follow the thread below for the workaround. Everyone on the list who doesn't care about this, sorry I'm adding a grown-rather-lengthy thread. Perhaps the workaround will interest some folks. Seems that each help generation software I've researched has a rather steep learning curve of mastering bits of obscure logic. :) Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:mike_sto...@sonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:06 AM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Sure. Tell him if he can automate that, I'll buy a couple copies of FrameScript! (Actually, we have been meaning to for a long time.) Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:c.berts...@tecplot.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:05 AM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Rick Quatro asked for your workaround in case it can be automated with framescript. Would you be comfortable with my or your sharing it with the list? If not, I totally understand. I'm a bit dubious that something as extensive as this (with ePP involved) could be automated, but still. :) Cheers, Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:mike_sto...@sonic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers I took a couple stabs using various various trial versions of Flare and went to a sales presentation, but I was just having a hard time figuring it out. And their FrameMaker support wasn't that great. We used Frame and WebWorks 7 for a long time and just switched to epub six months ago. It wasn't cheap and it has been a bit of a pain. We keep bumping into problems and constantly get told "it will be fixed in the next release." My tech writer is at the WebWorks Roundup conference this week. Hopefully he is picking up solutions to all of our woes. Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:c.berts...@tecplot.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:57 PM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Thanks! Whew, that is ugly. :) I appreciate your itemization of such weirdness! I'll try the duplicate filename markers first, with my fingers crossed... We have our budget plan coming up and I'm thinking switching to MadCap Flare. Have you tried that software at all? If you have, I'd be interested in your opinion of it. Cheers, Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:mike_sto...@sonic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:05 PM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Hi Callie, Let's say my help file has three topics, A, B, and C in that order. If there is an anchored frame in the section of my FrameMaker file that contains the contents of topic B, then the filename marker for C would be ignored. The markers in A and B would work, but not C. At one point Quadralay was saying you could work around the bug by putting two identical filename markers in each topic. That didn't work for me, but you might try it. I wound up adding passthrough code in my FrameMaker files that generated the same HTML as the anchored frame. Then I hid the anchored frame using conditional text. The ePub help file has a fairly good explanation of how to do this, but here's the steps that I followed: 1. I created a new condition in FrameMaker called "Screenshot" and applied it to the anchored. 2. I created a second new condition in FrameMaker called "PassThroughCode" 3. I generated my Help file with the Screenshot condition turned on. Then I copied the HTML for each screenshot directly below the corresponding anchored frame in FrameMaker. 4. I applied the PassThroughCode condition to the HTML that I added in FrameMaker. 5. In the Output directory of my epub project, I made a copy of my graphics folder and I would have copies of all the screenshots. 6. In epub I selected Project > Conditions and added the new conditions. And I checked the PassThrough box for the PassThroughCode condition. I set "Screenshot" to Hidden and "PassThroughCode" to Visible and generate the help again. 7. Restore any missing graphics to your Output directory from the copy of the graphics folder you created earlier. 8. If you are creating WebWorks Help, your are done. If you are creating a chm file, run the project through HTMLHelp Workshop. It's a pretty ugly solution, but it's all I could think of at the time. I just need to bite the bullet and upgrade to the latest version of epub and hope the problem is actually fixed. Hope that helps, Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:c.berts...@tecplot.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:55 PM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Thanks again for this message, Mike. I just thought of a question. Do you mean that the graphic is the last thing in one topic, before the heading of another topic that gets missed because of the anchored
