RE: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-27 Thread Davis, David
DropBox?

Another nice new feature in Windows 8 is that it offers integration to 
Microsoft's cloud storage (SkyDrive), you get 7GB for free, 
And it's pretty simple to set it to automatically back up stuff from a local 
hard drive to the cloud as you work. 

David


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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:34:35 +
From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
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At 10:42 -0800 23/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

Since then, I have relied on two things:

DropBox is my friend ;-)

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RE: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-27 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 16:11 + 23/1/14, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

Fortunately I never experienced something like this.
What I would do immediately before closing files or
FrameMaker: Copy the whole folder to a temp folder.
If FrameMaker does not work correctly, it could also
damage the files when closing.

Good plan. Too late now ;-) But fortunately it was all ok.

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FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At some point while editing yesterday, and I'm not sure what I was doing, 
*every chapter* in the book I'm working on started displaying all its text as 
if someone had picked it up and randomly scattered it across the page - 
complete loss of vertical leading, and sideways shifts as well. It was clearly 
something internal to FrameMaker's display engine, as opening unopened chapters 
showed the same thing.

After nearly having a coronary, I closed down FrameMaker and then re--opened 
the book, and everything then looked fine, and has remained fine.

I've never seen anything like this before, and it's probably shortened my life 
expectancy somewhat. Anyone else experienced this?

[FrameMaker 7.0p577 for Mac]
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RE: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried
Hi Steve,

Fortunately I never experienced something like this.
What I would do immediately before closing files or
FrameMaker: Copy the whole folder to a temp folder.
If FrameMaker does not work correctly, it could also
damage the files when closing.

Best regards

Winfried

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 At some point while editing yesterday, and I'm not sure what I was doing,
 *every chapter* in the book I'm working on started displaying all its text as 
 if
 someone had picked it up and randomly scattered it across the page -
 complete loss of vertical leading, and sideways shifts as well. It was clearly
 something internal to FrameMaker's display engine, as opening unopened
 chapters showed the same thing.

 After nearly having a coronary, I closed down FrameMaker and then re--
 opened the book, and everything then looked fine, and has remained fine.

 I've never seen anything like this before, and it's probably shortened my life
 expectancy somewhat. Anyone else experienced this?

 [FrameMaker 7.0p577 for Mac]
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Re: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:10 -0500 23/1/14, John Sgammato wrote:

I've seen it once or twice in the past 20 years - closing and restarting FM 
worked.

Then our statistics match, John - for me, once in 21 years ;-)

I attribute it to sunspots.

Or in my case, possible cat fur.

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Re: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread David Spreadbury
Steve,
Occasionally my FrameMaker display will go a little berserk. Nothing as 
serious, so far, as you relate, but similar. Also, there are times when I will 
delete a graphic, but it remains on the screen, and I know I deleted it.
It may be due to a long standing bug in Frame related to refreshing of the 
display. You might try Ctrl+L (Refresh) one time and see if it has any effect.
Or, check if there are any updates to your video drivers. Another possibility.
Dave





On Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:58 AM, Steve Rickaby 
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
 
At some point while editing yesterday, and I'm not sure what I was doing, 
*every chapter* in the book I'm working on started displaying all its text as 
if someone had picked it up and randomly scattered it across the page - 
complete loss of vertical leading, and sideways shifts as well. It was clearly 
something internal to FrameMaker's display engine, as opening unopened chapters 
showed the same thing.

After nearly having a coronary, I closed down FrameMaker and then re--opened 
the book, and everything then looked fine, and has remained fine.

I've never seen anything like this before, and it's probably shortened my life 
expectancy somewhat. Anyone else experienced this?

[FrameMaker 7.0p577 for Mac]
-- 
Steve
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Re: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:16 -0800 23/1/14, David Spreadbury wrote:

Occasionally my FrameMaker display will go a little berserk. Nothing as 
serious, so far, as you relate, but similar. Also, there are times when I will 
delete a graphic, but it remains on the screen, and I know I deleted it. It 
may be due to a long standing bug in Frame related to refreshing of the 
display. You might try Ctrl+L (Refresh) one time and see if it has any effect.

Yep, the refresh bug: I do ctrl-L a lot. But this was something else altogether.

Or, check if there are any updates to your video drivers. Another possibility.

I'm on Mac: I don't think we have those ;-)

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RE: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Steve Rickaby wrote:
 At some point while editing yesterday, and I'm not sure what I was doing, 
 *every chapter* in the book I'm working on started displaying all its text as 
 if someone had picked it up and randomly scattered it across the page - 
 complete loss of vertical leading, and sideways shifts as well. It was 
 clearly something internal to FrameMaker's display engine, as opening 
 unopened chapters showed the same thing.

 After nearly having a coronary, I closed down FrameMaker and then re--opened 
 the book, and everything then looked fine, and has remained fine.

 I've never seen anything like this before, and it's probably shortened my 
 life expectancy somewhat. Anyone else experienced this?

Happened to me once quite a while back - all tables, in particular, were 
totally messed up. And, as you noted, a re-start of FrameMaker showed 
everything was fine - whew!

Since then, I have relied on two things:

1. A daily incremental backup schedule that backs up all my changed files every 
2 hours (using ShadowProtect from www.storagecraft.com). So that I can recover 
if I need to.

2. A manual copy of all the FrameMaker files associated with a document into a 
directory called BACKUP, below the working directory, *just* before I kick off 
a new editing session - particularly if it has been a few days since I last 
worked on something. So, that I have a prior editing session version available.

And, of course, the problem has not recurred since then ... (my belief: 
carrying an umbrella prevents rain from falling! :))

Z

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RE: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:42 -0800 23/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

Since then, I have relied on two things:

DropBox is my friend ;-)

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RE: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
 Since then, I have relied on two things:

 DropBox is my friend ;-)

Yes, indeed! I do daily backups stored on multiple disks - both here and at 
home - for safety.

I use DropBox, but not for these backup files  ... yet ...

Z

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Re: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread John Sgammato
I've seen it once or twice in the past 20 years - closing and restarting FM
worked.
I attribute it to sunspots.


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Steve Rickaby 
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:

 At some point while editing yesterday, and I'm not sure what I was doing,
 *every chapter* in the book I'm working on started displaying all its text
 as if someone had picked it up and randomly scattered it across the page -
 complete loss of vertical leading, and sideways shifts as well. It was
 clearly something internal to FrameMaker's display engine, as opening
 unopened chapters showed the same thing.

 After nearly having a coronary, I closed down FrameMaker and then
 re--opened the book, and everything then looked fine, and has remained fine.

 I've never seen anything like this before, and it's probably shortened my
 life expectancy somewhat. Anyone else experienced this?

 [FrameMaker 7.0p577 for Mac]
 --
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RE: FrameMaker freaks me out

2014-01-23 Thread Harro de Jong
Steve Rickaby wrote:


 At some point while editing yesterday, and I'm not sure what I was doing,
 *every chapter* in the book I'm working on started displaying all its text as 
 if
 someone had picked it up and randomly scattered it across the page - complete
 loss of vertical leading, and sideways shifts as well. It was clearly 
 something
 internal to FrameMaker's display engine, as opening unopened chapters
 showed the same thing.

I've seen this occasionally in the past, though rarely on freshly opened files. 
In my experience it's a display issue that doesn't affect the data in the 
document. 

Harro de Jong
Triview 
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