RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
Maxwell, Try adding after the stop in either the figure or Table sequence. Table = S:Table n0.a+ Figure = S:Figure n0. a+ With each additional sequence you need to add an additional pair of brackets. Table = S:Table n0.a+ Figure = S:Figure n0. a+ Graph = S:Graph n0. a+ Chart = S:Chart n0. a+ ... Rob -Original Message- From: Maxwell Hoffmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 September 2007 17:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a I have a challenge with autonumbering, and can't recall the solution. (Ran into this unusual numbering style some years ago.) I am trying to get a complex autonumbering sequence to work in unstructured FM7.2 on Windows. I'm assisting a customer with a template that requires the following numbered paragraphs to occur w/in one document: Step 10: How to rinse the sink body text Step 20: How to dry the sink text Table 20.a table Table 20.b table Figure 20.a Figure Step 30: How to fill the sink body text Figure 30.a Figure In other words, both Table Title and Figure Title have to inherit their primary number from the Step. The problem is how to maintain a separate number stream for Tables and Figures that will let them number sequentially, and not be affected by one another. Here are my para number definitions: Step = S:Step n+0: Table = S:Table n0.a+ Figure = S:Figure n0.a+ When mixing Figures and Tables I get results like these: Step 10: Figure 10.a Figure 10.b Figure 10.c Table 10.d Step 20: ... The Table needs to number at Table 10.a I thought of using $chapnum for the primary n+ in the Step para, but $chapnum will not number sequentially w/in the same document. Using the following definitions works for one Step 10: but there is no way to have Step 20: number sequentially: Step = S:Step $chapnum0: Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = T:Table $chapnum0.a+ These definitions produce the following results: Step 10: Figure 10.a Figure 10.b Figure 10.c Table 10.a Step 10: FYI -- this document does not require or use a conventional numbered chapter heading. Can anyone out there think of an autonumbering pattern in FrameMaker (7.2) that will work for the sequence I describe at the beginning of my email? Any and all advice welcomed. Maxwell Hoffmann/ENLASO (805) 807-0853 AppSense provides user environment management solutions that personalize and optimize virtual and physical user environments. Whether delivered via Citrix, Terminal Server, Virtual Desktops, Streaming, Blade PCs or physical desktops, AppSense solutions ensure consistent, contextual and responsive environments to all users all the time. Find out more by visiting us at www.appsense.com. CONFIDENTIAL: The contents of this email and any attachments may be confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person or make any copies. AppSense monitors communications. AppSense Limited is Registered in the United Kingdom, Registration Number 3873980. Registered Address: 3200 Daresbury Park, Daresbury, Warrington, Cheshire, United Kingdom, WA4 4BU ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
The S, F and T before the colon in Fred's example are called series labels. You can do a search on series label in the FrameMaker Help and you will find a couple of topics. Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Fred Ridder wrote: This is fairly easy. You just need to control separate counter elements as for each type of number and include placeholders as necessary. The only thing unusual is making the step number an unseparated compound of the chapter number system variable ($chapnum) plus a zero. I've never seen this particular convention or style before... The first counter is for the step number, so let's use the second one for the figure numbers and the third counter for the table number. The numbering format definitions them become: Step = S:Step $chapnum0 =0 =0: Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = T:Table $chapnum0. a+ This scheme resets the counters for the table number and figure number at each occurrence of the step tag. Note that the building blocks have a space between the opening angle bracket and the equals sign, which is the character to suppress display of the number element. The space inside the angle brackets is a placeholer building block which prevents the Figure tag from affecting the value of the counter for the table number. The placeholder in the Table tag definition is not functionally necessary, but is included as a good practice that helps you remember that this is a 3-element numbering scheme. Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a challenge with autonumbering, and can't recall the solution. (Ran into this unusual numbering style some years ago.) I am trying to get a complex autonumbering sequence to work in unstructured FM7.2 on Windows. I'm assisting a customer with a template that requires the following numbered paragraphs to occur w/in one document: Step 10: How to rinse the sink body text Step 20: How to dry the sink text Table 20.a table Table 20.b table Figure 20.a Figure Step 30: How to fill the sink body text Figure 30.a Figure In other words, both Table Title and Figure Title have to inherit their primary number from the Step. The problem is how to maintain a separate number stream for Tables and Figures that will let them number sequentially, and not be affected by one another. Here are my para number definitions: Step = S:Step n+0: Table = S:Table n0.a+ Figure = S:Figure n0.a+ When mixing Figures and Tables I get results like these: Step 10: Figure 10.a Figure 10.b Figure 10.c Table 10.d Step 20: ... The Table needs to number at Table 10.a I thought of using $chapnum for the primary n+ in the Step para, but $chapnum will not number sequentially w/in the same document. Using the following definitions works for one Step 10: but there is no way to have Step 20: number sequentially: Step = S:Step $chapnum0: Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = T:Table $chapnum0.a+ These definitions produce the following results: Step 10: Figure 10.a Figure 10.b Figure 10.c Table 10.a Step 10: FYI -- this document does not require or use a conventional numbered chapter heading. Can anyone out there think of an autonumbering pattern in FrameMaker (7.2) that will work for the sequence I describe at the beginning of my email? Any and all advice welcomed. Maxwell Hoffmann/ENLASO (805) 807-0853 _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
Actually the different series labels in my example were an error caused by my laziness. I had copied the format definitions from the original posting and did not finish editing them before I sent the message. The scheme I was proposing is designed to use the *same* series label for all three numbering formats. If the three formats use different labeled series they will not interact at all, making the placeholders unnecessary and rendering the reset feature of the step's format nonfunctional. The scheme I was trying to propose looks something like: Step = N:Step $chapnum0 =0 =0: Table = N:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = N:Table $chapnum0. a+ Sorry for any confusion... -Fred Ridder Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:58:57 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Subject: Re: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a The S, F and T before the colon in Fred's example are called series labels. You can do a search on series label in the FrameMaker Help and you will find a couple of topics. Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Fred Ridder wrote: This is fairly easy. You just need to control separate counter elements as for each type of number and include placeholders as necessary. The only thing unusual is making the step number an unseparated compound of the chapter number system variable ($chapnum) plus a zero. I've never seen this particular convention or style before...The first counter is for the step number, so let's use the second one for the figure numbers and the third counter for the table number. The numbering format definitions them become:Step = S:Step $chapnum0 =0 =0: Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = T:Table $chapnum0. a+ _ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
I also apologize for the lousy-looking formatting of my replies. Microsoft involuntarily converted all Hotmail users to a new Windows Live web mail client over the weekend. The new client removes all the line breaks from the message that you are quoting in your reply, turning it into a single, nearly unreadable block of text. This is a particularly stupid default behavior, since the client first marks the start of each quoted line with an angle bracket, and then ignores the line breaks that would make the angle brackets useful. Bah! But I guess you get what you play for... But if anybody knows how to change this behavior, I'd love to hear about it. I tried to find it in the online help, but it was completely useless (what was I thinking??). -Fred Ridder From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:33:46 -0400 CC: Subject: RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a Actually the different series labels in my example were an error caused by my laziness. I had copied the format definitions from the original posting and did not finish editing them before I sent the message. The scheme I was proposing is designed to use the *same* series label for all three numbering formats. If the three formats use different labeled series they will not interact at all, making the placeholders unnecessary and rendering the reset feature of the step's format nonfunctional. The scheme I was trying to propose looks something like: Step = N:Step $chapnum0 =0 =0: Table = N:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = N:Table $chapnum0. a+ Sorry for any confusion... -Fred Ridder _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
Sure - this is actually pretty easy. You need to use blank placeholders to keep FM from changing certain counters while incrementing the one you're interested in. For example: Step = S:Step n+0: Table = S:Table n0. a+ Figure = S:Figure n0.a+ On Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:41 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote: | I have a challenge with autonumbering, and can't recall the | solution. (Ran into this unusual numbering style some years | ago.) I am trying to get a complex autonumbering sequence to | work in unstructured FM7.2 on Windows. | | I'm assisting a customer with a template that requires the | following numbered paragraphs to occur w/in one document: | | Step 10: How to rinse the sink | body text | Step 20: How to dry the sink | text | Table 20.a | table | Table 20.b | table | Figure 20.a | Figure | Step 30: How to fill the sink | body text | Figure 30.a | Figure | | In other words, both Table Title and Figure Title have to | inherit their primary number from the Step. The problem is | how to maintain a separate number stream for Tables and | Figures that will let them number sequentially, and not be | affected by one another. | | Here are my para number definitions: | | When mixing Figures and Tables I get results like these: | Step 10: | Figure 10.a | Figure 10.b | Figure 10.c | Table 10.d | Step 20: | | ... The Table needs to number at Table 10.a | | I thought of using $chapnum for the primary n+ in the | Step para, but $chapnum will not number sequentially w/in | the same document. Using the following definitions works for | one Step 10: but there is no way to have Step 20: number | sequentially: | Step = S:Step $chapnum0: | Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ | Figure = T:Table $chapnum0.a+ | | These definitions produce the following results: | Step 10: | Figure 10.a | Figure 10.b | Figure 10.c | Table 10.a | Step 10: | | FYI -- this document does not require or use a conventional | numbered chapter heading. | | Can anyone out there think of an autonumbering pattern in | FrameMaker (7.2) that will work for the sequence I describe | at the beginning of my email? Any and all advice welcomed. | | Maxwell Hoffmann/ENLASO | (805) 807-0853 - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
This is fairly easy. You just need to control separate counter elements as for each type of number and include placeholders as necessary. The only thing unusual is making the step number an unseparated compound of the chapter number system variable ($chapnum) plus a zero. I've never seen this particular convention or style before... The first counter is for the step number, so let's use the second one for the figure numbers and the third counter for the table number. The numbering format definitions them become: Step = S:Step $chapnum0 =0 =0: Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = T:Table $chapnum0. a+ This scheme resets the counters for the table number and figure number at each occurrence of the step tag. Note that the building blocks have a space between the opening angle bracket and the equals sign, which is the character to suppress display of the number element. The space inside the angle brackets is a placeholer building block which prevents the Figure tag from affecting the value of the counter for the table number. The placeholder in the Table tag definition is not functionally necessary, but is included as a good practice that helps you remember that this is a 3-element numbering scheme. Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a challenge with autonumbering, and can't recall the solution. (Ran into this unusual numbering style some years ago.) I am trying to get a complex autonumbering sequence to work in unstructured FM7.2 on Windows. I'm assisting a customer with a template that requires the following numbered paragraphs to occur w/in one document: Step 10: How to rinse the sink body text Step 20: How to dry the sink text Table 20.a table Table 20.b table Figure 20.a Figure Step 30: How to fill the sink body text Figure 30.a Figure In other words, both Table Title and Figure Title have to inherit their primary number from the Step. The problem is how to maintain a separate number stream for Tables and Figures that will let them number sequentially, and not be affected by one another. Here are my para number definitions: Step = S:Step n+0: Table = S:Table n0.a+ Figure = S:Figure n0.a+ When mixing Figures and Tables I get results like these: Step 10: Figure 10.a Figure 10.b Figure 10.c Table 10.d Step 20: ... The Table needs to number at Table 10.a I thought of using $chapnum for the primary n+ in the Step para, but $chapnum will not number sequentially w/in the same document. Using the following definitions works for one Step 10: but there is no way to have Step 20: number sequentially: Step = S:Step $chapnum0: Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = T:Table $chapnum0.a+ These definitions produce the following results: Step 10: Figure 10.a Figure 10.b Figure 10.c Table 10.a Step 10: FYI -- this document does not require or use a conventional numbered chapter heading. Can anyone out there think of an autonumbering pattern in FrameMaker (7.2) that will work for the sequence I describe at the beginning of my email? Any and all advice welcomed. Maxwell Hoffmann/ENLASO (805) 807-0853 _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
Max, I believe that this is the solution that you want. There is a blank in between the . Step = S:Step n+0: =0 =0 Table = S:Table n0.a+ Figure = S:Figure n0. a+ Brad On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote: I have a challenge with autonumbering, and can't recall the solution. (Ran into this unusual numbering style some years ago.) I am trying to get a complex autonumbering sequence to work in unstructured FM7.2 on Windows. I'm assisting a customer with a template that requires the following numbered paragraphs to occur w/in one document: Step 10: How to rinse the sink body text Step 20: How to dry the sink text Table 20.a table Table 20.b table Figure 20.a Figure Step 30: How to fill the sink body text Figure 30.a Figure In other words, both Table Title and Figure Title have to inherit their primary number from the Step. The problem is how to maintain a separate number stream for Tables and Figures that will let them number sequentially, and not be affected by one another. Here are my para number definitions: Step = S:Step n+0: Table = S:Table n0.a+ Figure = S:Figure n0.a+ When mixing Figures and Tables I get results like these: Step 10: Figure 10.a Figure 10.b Figure 10.c Table 10.d Step 20: ... The Table needs to number at Table 10.a I thought of using $chapnum for the primary n+ in the Step para, but $chapnum will not number sequentially w/in the same document. Using the following definitions works for one Step 10: but there is no way to have Step 20: number sequentially: Step = S:Step $chapnum0: Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = T:Table $chapnum0.a+ These definitions produce the following results: Step 10: Figure 10.a Figure 10.b Figure 10.c Table 10.a Step 10: FYI -- this document does not require or use a conventional numbered chapter heading. Can anyone out there think of an autonumbering pattern in FrameMaker (7.2) that will work for the sequence I describe at the beginning of my email? Any and all advice welcomed. Maxwell Hoffmann/ENLASO (805) 807-0853 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/brad% 40beyondprint.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [SPAM] RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
Hi Fred, Thank you for refreshing my memory. I knew that there was a solution, but I have not had to run separate counters in this fashion for several years. The usual custom is for Tables and Figures to number sequentially, but not be dependent on sub-chapter numbered headings. Your advice has saved me hours of scouring the archives. _ Maxwell Hoffmann -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:57 AM To: Maxwell Hoffmann; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SPAM] RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a This is fairly easy. You just need to control separate counter elements as for each type of number and include placeholders as necessary. The only thing unusual is making the step number an unseparated compound of the chapter number system variable ($chapnum) plus a zero. I've never seen this particular convention or style before... The first counter is for the step number, so let's use the second one for the figure numbers and the third counter for the table number. The numbering format definitions them become: Step = S:Step $chapnum0 =0 =0: Table = F:Figure $chapnum0.a+ Figure = T:Table $chapnum0. a+ This scheme resets the counters for the table number and figure number at each occurrence of the step tag. Note that the building blocks have a space between the opening angle bracket and the equals sign, which is the character to suppress display of the number element. The space inside the angle brackets is a placeholer building block which prevents the Figure tag from affecting the value of the counter for the table number. The placeholder in the Table tag definition is not functionally necessary, but is included as a good practice that helps you remember that this is a 3-element numbering scheme. Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a challenge with autonumbering, and can't recall the solution. (Ran into this unusual numbering style some years ago.) I am trying to get a complex autonumbering sequence to work in unstructured FM7.2 on Windows. I'm assisting a customer with a template that requires the following numbered paragraphs to occur w/in one document: Step 10: How to rinse the sink body text Step 20: How to dry the sink text Table 20.a table Table 20.b table Figure 20.a Figure Step 30: How to fill the sink body text Figure 30.a Figure [SNIP] Maxwell Hoffmann/ENLASO (805) 807-0853 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[SPAM] RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a
Hi Fred, Thank you for refreshing my memory. I knew that there was a solution, but I have not had to run separate counters in this fashion for several years. The usual custom is for Tables and Figures to number sequentially, but not be dependent on sub-chapter numbered headings. Your advice has saved me hours of scouring the archives. _ Maxwell Hoffmann >-Original Message- >From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:57 AM >To: Maxwell Hoffmann; framers at frameusers.com >Subject: [SPAM] RE: Autonumber challenge: Table 10.a, Table 10.b and Figure 10.a > >This is fairly easy. You just need to control separate counter elements as for each type of number and include placeholders as necessary. The only thing unusual is making the step number an unseparated compound of the chapter number system variable (<$chapnum>) plus a zero. I've never seen this particular convention or style before... > >The first counter is for the step number, so let's use the second one for the figure numbers and the third counter for the table number. The numbering format definitions them >become: > >Step = S:Step <$chapnum>0< =0>< =0>: >Table = F:Figure <$chapnum>0.<a+>< > >Figure = T:Table <$chapnum>0.< ><a+> > >This scheme resets the counters for the table number and figure number at each occurrence of the step tag. Note that the building blocks have a space between the opening angle bracket and the equals sign, which is the character to suppress display of the number element. The space inside the angle brackets is a placeholer building block which prevents the Figure tag from affecting the value of the counter for the table number. The placeholder in the Table tag definition is not functionally necessary, but is included as a good practice that helps you remember that this is a 3-element numbering scheme. > >Fred Ridder > > >mhoffmann at translate.com wrote: > I have a challenge with autonumbering, and can't recall the solution. > (Ran into this unusual numbering style some years > ago.) I am trying to get a complex autonumbering sequence to work in > unstructured FM7.2 on Windows. > > I'm assisting a customer with a template that requires the following > numbered paragraphs to occur w/in one document: > > Step 10: How to rinse the sink > > Step 20: How to dry the sink > > Table 20.a > > Table 20.b > > Figure 20.a > > Step 30: How to fill the sink > > Figure 30.a > [SNIP] > Maxwell Hoffmann/ENLASO > (805) 807-0853
