RE: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
Very cool article! I started using FrameMaker on a monochrome Sun 3/50 back in 1988 and loved it! Our engineering team chose it over Interleaf (which is what the tech pubs folks were using), because of the slightly lower cost and the fact that it was a cleaner fit with Sun's windowing software. I also beta-tested the first Windows implementation and liked that a lot too - a friend of mine was in the QA group at Frame Technology and got me into that test phase. Memories Thanks for sending this url along! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: FrameUsers List; Free Framers; tcs-users; STC Lone Writer SIG Subject: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary Interesting post at http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=articleID=464660044gid=45138type=newsitem=464660044articleURL=http%3A%2F%2Fthecontentwrangler.com%2F2011%2F04%2F07%2F25-years-of-framemaker-why-this-product-still-%25e2%2580%259crocks%25e2%2580%259d-after-a-quarter-of-a-century%2Furlhash=H94Jgoback=.gde_45138_news_464660044 (Yeah, I know it's a long URL... didn't have a shortener handy.) Cheers, Art ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
Shorter: http://bit.ly/frame25rocks Am 07.04.2011 um 18:07 schrieb Art Campbell: Interesting post at http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=articleID=464660044gid=45138type=newsitem=464660044articleURL=http%3A%2F%2Fthecontentwrangler.com%2F2011%2F04%2F07%2F25-years-of-framemaker-why-this-product-still-%25e2%2580%259crocks%25e2%2580%259d-after-a-quarter-of-a-century%2Furlhash=H94Jgoback=.gde_45138_news_464660044 (Yeah, I know it's a long URL... didn't have a shortener handy.) Cheers, Art ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
OK, so I had to dash off my own Happy Anniversary posting: http://cys.me/node/286 Rick. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
Heck! I feel like just a kid. We started with Frame 3 (I think) on the PC in the early-mid 90s. Don. On 4/7/2011 11:51 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Very cool article! I started using FrameMaker on a monochrome Sun 3/50 back in 1988 and loved it! Our engineering team chose it over Interleaf (which is what the tech pubs folks were using), because of the slightly lower cost and the fact that it was a cleaner fit with Sun's windowing software. I also beta-tested the first Windows implementation and liked that a lot too - a friend of mine was in the QA group at Frame Technology and got me into that test phase. Memories Thanks for sending this url along! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: FrameUsers List; Free Framers; tcs-users; STC Lone Writer SIG Subject: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary Interesting post at http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=articleID=464660044gid=45138type=newsitem=464660044articleURL=http%3A%2F%2Fthecontentwrangler.com%2F2011%2F04%2F07%2F25-years-of-framemaker-why-this-product-still-%25e2%2580%259crocks%25e2%2580%259d-after-a-quarter-of-a-century%2Furlhash=H94Jgoback=.gde_45138_news_464660044 (Yeah, I know it's a long URL... didn't have a shortener handy.) Cheers, Art ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as donald.m.rinderkne...@noaa.gov. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/donald.m.rinderknecht%40noaa.gov Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Don Rinderknecht -- 405.325.2805 (Office) Meteorologist Instructor/Developer Warning Decision Training Branch, Norman, OK, http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov (This message was sent from my laptop... I could be anywhere...) You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Inigo Montoya, Princess Bride, 1987 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
Thanks for the link(s)! Great article. Bodvar 2011/4/7 Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com Interesting post at http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=articleID=464660044gid=45138type=newsitem=464660044articleURL=http%3A%2F%2Fthecontentwrangler.com%2F2011%2F04%2F07%2F25-years-of-framemaker-why-this-product-still-%25e2%2580%259crocks%25e2%2580%259d-after-a-quarter-of-a-century%2Furlhash=H94Jgoback=.gde_45138_news_464660044 (Yeah, I know it's a long URL... didn't have a shortener handy.) Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bod...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Remember: Amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
Cool article, Max! Love that SunView screenshot... I remember that Reversi game fondly. cud ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
Oh, yes, Interleaf was definitely a good product at the time. For us, it was just: (a) the cost was much higher ... as I recall, Interleaf did not have a floating license concept, only fixed per-system licenses, (b) had more features than we really needed in our Engineering team (like way better color support as I recall - our team did not need color at all), (c) it took over the SunOS system by running its *own* windowing platform - from the normal startup login, you started the Interleaf software, not Sunview! So, if you ran Interleaf, you could not do anything else - no other window could be opened for a SunOS shell, etc. Us engineers balked at those windowing limitations more than anything else. We were doing other work ... and our documentation (specs, requirements, tool documentation, etc.) work was secondary. The server-based FrameMaker floating licenses, running in SunView, made far more sense for us. This is *unlike* the Tech Pubs folks in marketing ... who were writing data-sheets, company collateral, ads, etc! :) Those folks used and preferred Interleaf at the time - for darn good reasons. Z -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:26 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); FrameUsers List Subject: RE: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: I started using FrameMaker on a monochrome Sun 3/50 back in 1988 and loved it! Our engineering team chose it over Interleaf (which is what the tech pubs folks were using), because of the slightly lower cost and the fact that it was a cleaner fit with Sun's windowing software. I compared FM 1.x to Interleaf that same year (likewise on the Sun 3/50). I really liked it and thought it had great promise, but I advised my client to go with Interleaf (and worked on that for the next several years). FM had great promise, but was still a relatively young program lacking many key features. I didn't return to FM until 95 or 96 (v5.1, I believe), by which time it was far more mature. With a few interruptions when working for clients wedded to Word, I've been a happy FM user ever since. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
I learned Frame on a Unix system about that same time, Don, in North Carolina's Triangle area--and I learned it from the best editor I've ever come across. You might know her as Sarah O'Keefe. :) Regards, Dimi Dimi Everette, Sr. Technical Writer 6500 River Place Blvd., Bldg. 6, Austin, TX 78730 | t: 512.372.6988 | f: 512.372.7001 Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail This communication (including any attachments) may contain privileged or confidential information of Polycom and is intended for a specific individual. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this communication, including any attachments without reading or saving them in any manner, and you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Don Rinderknecht Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:14 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary Heck! I feel like just a kid. We started with Frame 3 (I think) on the PC in the early-mid 90s. Don. On 4/7/2011 11:51 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Very cool article! I started using FrameMaker on a monochrome Sun 3/50 back in 1988 and loved it! Our engineering team chose it over Interleaf (which is what the tech pubs folks were using), because of the slightly lower cost and the fact that it was a cleaner fit with Sun's windowing software. I also beta-tested the first Windows implementation and liked that a lot too - a friend of mine was in the QA group at Frame Technology and got me into that test phase. Memories Thanks for sending this url along! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: FrameUsers List; Free Framers; tcs-users; STC Lone Writer SIG Subject: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary Interesting post at http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=articleID=464660044gid=45138type=newsitem=464660044articleURL=http%3A%2F%2Fthecontentwrangler.com%2F2011%2F04%2F07%2F25-years-of-framemaker-why-this-product-still-%25e2%2580%259crocks%25e2%2580%259d-after-a-quarter-of-a-century%2Furlhash=H94Jgoback=.gde_45138_news_464660044 (Yeah, I know it's a long URL... didn't have a shortener handy.) Cheers, Art ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as donald.m.rinderkne...@noaa.gov. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/donald.m.rinderknecht%40noaa.gov Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Don Rinderknecht -- 405.325.2805 (Office) Meteorologist Instructor/Developer Warning Decision Training Branch, Norman, OK, http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov (This message was sent from my laptop... I could be anywhere...) You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Inigo Montoya, Princess Bride, 1987 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dimi.evere...@polycom.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dimi.everette%40polycom.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
Yes, this is undoubtedly an excellent article. I began my Framemaker journey with 7.0 release, about five years back. Everyone around me used to say that Framemaker has got steep learning curve. I was kind of scared when I opened it for first time. I could only type and was not able to do any of the things that I regularly do in Microsoft Word. I remember cursing myself and Framemaker for its complex interface. Later, I stumbled upon an excellent tutorial. This tutorial taught me everything. Now, I have FM 8.0 on my system. I really enjoy working in Framemaker although things are much faster in Microsoft Word. What i particularly like is its consistent behavior and Books feature. _Man does not grow with age; he grows with experiences Regards, NJ http://www.neerajjain8.com --- On Thu, 7/4/11, Böðvar Björgvinsson bod...@gmail.com wrote: From: Böðvar Björgvinsson bod...@gmail.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary To: Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com Cc: FrameUsers List framers@lists.frameusers.com, STC Lone Writer SIG stclwrsi...@mailman.stc.org, tcs-users tcs-us...@googlegroups.com, Free Framers fram...@omsys.com Received: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 11:08 PM Thanks for the link(s)! Great article. Bodvar 2011/4/7 Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com Interesting post at http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=articleID=464660044gid=45138type=newsitem=464660044articleURL=http%3A%2F%2Fthecontentwrangler.com%2F2011%2F04%2F07%2F25-years-of-framemaker-why-this-product-still-%25e2%2580%259crocks%25e2%2580%259d-after-a-quarter-of-a-century%2Furlhash=H94Jgoback=.gde_45138_news_464660044 (Yeah, I know it's a long URL... didn't have a shortener handy.) Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bod...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Remember: Amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as neerajja...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/neerajjain8%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker's 25th Anniversary
Neeraj Jain wrote: I really enjoy working in Framemaker although things are much faster in Microsoft Word. What i particularly like is its consistent behavior and Books feature. That consistent behavior, combined with far fewer problems when writing large documents (anything over 50 to 60 pages, frankly) is why I use FrameMaker for 95% of my writing work. Microsoft Word is only used for occasional 1 to 2 to 10 page internal documents that gets circulated to a few people inside the company. Particular if they plan to do some edits (and all they have is Word)! :) Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
