Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is worse? -- - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. A default reply-to-all listserv configuration is evil. Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all I disagree. Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. I totally agree. Reply to List should be the default. It's a list, for goodness sake. It's supposed to go to everyone. = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
At least one major email list that I subscribe to uses LISTSERV email list management software. In this scheme, one posts messages to a LISTSERV-powered server which in turn redistributes the posting to all of the subscribers, either as individual email messages or in digest format, comprising from 2 to 10 messages, give or take a few. The paradigm is different with LISTSERV than it is with FrameUsers, at least the way it is applied to the other lists to which I subscribe. The sender is a server (a machine) and not one of the list members (an individual.) As Z correctly points out, your email client is responsible for applying the Reply and Reply to All functions, not the list server or the person that sent the email in the first place. One only need look at who the email message is from to understand what your Reply and Reply to All buttons will do. Is it from a List Server or an individual? With LISTSERV the way I've seen it used, a Reply sends a reply to the entire list. Mind you, I've seen numerous message intended for personal consumption posted this way. Both paradigms have common drawbacks if misused. If you wish a different paradigm, such as that offered by LISTSERV, you can learn more about it here: http://lists.psu.edu/ By the way, Penn State University (USA) apparently hosts numerous public-use lists like the one I subscribe to for folk music DJs and artists. I'm not certain, but someone may need to be a student or employee at PSU to initiate and use their services to support a LISTSERV email list. I should probably also point out that LISTSERV list management software is now a product of L-Soft. You can learn a lot more about LISTSERV email list management software here; http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp I have no financial or personal ties to either PSU or L-Soft. These comments are mere observations. Dennis... ** At 09:44 AM 5/16/2008, Art Campbell wrote: I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dennisb%40chronometrics.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax: (530) 477-9085 Mobile: (530) 320-9025 eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is worse? -- - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. A default reply-to-all listserv configuration is evil. Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all is vulnerable at any time to a mail loop, in which an error by one member results in an exponentially-increasing avalanche of copies of every message posted back to the list. Reply-to-sender prevents that. While there are other ways to detect and prevent such loops, not every listowner has implemented them, and one such incident can cause most of the listmembers to depart fast... never to return. As a listadmin myself, I consider that a Very Bad Idea. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
