Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Robert Lauriston]

I worked with Jeremy trying to make MIF2Go a solid way to migrate from
FrameMaker to Confluence. We got OK results page by page, but
cross-references between pages were a sticking point and Atlassian was
not helpful. He posted to this list about it on 22 March 2013. I'd
post what we came up with but that was at my last job and I don't have
the files or email.

https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Answers-Developer-Questions/Converting-from-FrameMaker-to-Confluence-4/qaq-p/521731#27775

On the bright side, once you get fed up with Atlassian and decide to
move on, it's a lot easier to get content *out* of Confluence. I used
Scroll DocBook Exporter to migrate to Paligo.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Ryan  wrote:
> My company is preparing to copy numerous FrameMaker 7 manuals to Confluence.  
> Based on past postings among contributors to this list (including the late 
> Jeremy Griffith at OMSYS), I've developed a working method for converting 
> legacy FM chapters via Mif2Go to Confluence-friendly XHTML that can be 
> imported into Confluence's "<>" Source Editor.  There are a GREAT MANY 
> bothersome prerequisites and manual-tweak steps, but it seems to be my only 
> recourse.  I've tested the method on a few chapters and it seems to work, but 
> have not begun my all out assault on the dozens of manuals I'll ultimately 
> need to convert over.
>
> Not sure if Mif2Go will work on the latest versions of FrameMaker, so this 
> all may be moot.
>
> The process is too long to paste politely into a single Framers posting, but 
> I'll gladly share it with anyone privately on request.
>
> The types of steps required included:
>
> * Obtain latest version (including beta modules) of Mif2Go, as only this 
> contains Jeremy's Confluence-friendly output options
> * Remove any tables from anchored frames
> * All images must be reinserted within Confluence later
> * Compound images are lost and must be preserved independently of FM (for 
> example by making images incorporating its screen shots, call outs, line art, 
> etc. into one graphic)
> * Links, Footnotes, and Small caps must be marked for fixing later in 
> Confluence as they don't convert well
> * Remove discretionary hyphens
> * Numbered lists need to be recreated manually  in Confluence
> * Links and cross references need to be recreated manually  in Confluence
> * Unexpected character formatting must be corrected in Confluence
> * Check for bad image references in IE (ok in Chrome and Firefox)
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Robert Lauriston]

The WebWorks ePublisher thing mentioned in that book came out just as
Confluence was switching from wiki markup (versions 3 and earlier) to
XHTML (versions 4 and later). it converted FrameMaker docs to an awful
mess of Confluence 3 wiki markup and macros that rendered OK but was
not editable. WebWorks never updated it to support XHTML.

The book itself suffered from similar bad timing. She wrote it about
Confluence 3 and wiki markup but it wasn't published until Confluence
4 had been out for a while. The passage about import options reflects
Confluence 3. From 4.0 on (current release is 6.8), the only supported
import format other than wiki markup has been Microsoft Word.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Lore Eargle  wrote:
> I stumbled on a copy of "Confluence, Techcomm, and Chocolate" by Sarah
> Maddox yesterday as I was searching for information on converting
> documentation to Confluence. She was working at Atlassian at the time she
> wrote this.
>
> See
> https://xmlpress.net/wp-content/uploads/ctcc/Confluence-Techcomm-Chocolate.pdf
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Lore Eargle]

I stumbled on a copy of "Confluence, Techcomm, and Chocolate" by Sarah
Maddox yesterday as I was searching for information on converting
documentation to Confluence. She was working at Atlassian at the time she
wrote this.

See
https://xmlpress.net/wp-content/uploads/ctcc/Confluence-Techcomm-Chocolate.pdf



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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Rick Quatro]

* Compound images are lost and must be preserved independently of FM (for
example by making images incorporating its screen shots, call outs, line
art, etc. into one graphic)

There are some scripting solutions for converting compound images to
composite images in FrameMaker. I don't have an off-the-shelf solution, but
if you contact me off-list, I can tell you what is possible based on your
specific requirements. Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

My company is preparing to copy numerous FrameMaker 7 manuals to Confluence.
Based on past postings among contributors to this list (including the late
Jeremy Griffith at OMSYS), I've developed a working method for converting
legacy FM chapters via Mif2Go to Confluence-friendly XHTML that can be
imported into Confluence's "<>" Source Editor.  There are a GREAT MANY
bothersome prerequisites and manual-tweak steps, but it seems to be my only
recourse.  I've tested the method on a few chapters and it seems to work,
but have not begun my all out assault on the dozens of manuals I'll
ultimately need to convert over.

Not sure if Mif2Go will work on the latest versions of FrameMaker, so this
all may be moot.

The process is too long to paste politely into a single Framers posting, but
I'll gladly share it with anyone privately on request.

The types of steps required included:

* Obtain latest version (including beta modules) of Mif2Go, as only this
contains Jeremy's Confluence-friendly output options
* Remove any tables from anchored frames
* All images must be reinserted within Confluence later
* Compound images are lost and must be preserved independently of FM (for
example by making images incorporating its screen shots, call outs, line
art, etc. into one graphic)
* Links, Footnotes, and Small caps must be marked for fixing later in
Confluence as they don't convert well
* Remove discretionary hyphens
* Numbered lists need to be recreated manually  in Confluence
* Links and cross references need to be recreated manually  in Confluence
* Unexpected character formatting must be corrected in Confluence
* Check for bad image references in IE (ok in Chrome and Firefox)

Thanks,
Kevin Ryan





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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Kevin Ryan]

My company is preparing to copy numerous FrameMaker 7 manuals to Confluence.  
Based on past postings among contributors to this list (including the late 
Jeremy Griffith at OMSYS), I've developed a working method for converting 
legacy FM chapters via Mif2Go to Confluence-friendly XHTML that can be imported 
into Confluence's "<>" Source Editor.  There are a GREAT MANY bothersome 
prerequisites and manual-tweak steps, but it seems to be my only recourse.  
I've tested the method on a few chapters and it seems to work, but have not 
begun my all out assault on the dozens of manuals I'll ultimately need to 
convert over.

Not sure if Mif2Go will work on the latest versions of FrameMaker, so this all 
may be moot.

The process is too long to paste politely into a single Framers posting, but 
I'll gladly share it with anyone privately on request.

The types of steps required included:

* Obtain latest version (including beta modules) of Mif2Go, as only this 
contains Jeremy's Confluence-friendly output options
* Remove any tables from anchored frames
* All images must be reinserted within Confluence later
* Compound images are lost and must be preserved independently of FM (for 
example by making images incorporating its screen shots, call outs, line art, 
etc. into one graphic)
* Links, Footnotes, and Small caps must be marked for fixing later in 
Confluence as they don't convert well
* Remove discretionary hyphens
* Numbered lists need to be recreated manually  in Confluence
* Links and cross references need to be recreated manually  in Confluence
* Unexpected character formatting must be corrected in Confluence
* Check for bad image references in IE (ok in Chrome and Firefox)

Thanks,
Kevin Ryan





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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Robert Lauriston]

The HTML Macro doesn't really make much sense since the switch from
wiki markup to XHTML in Confluence 4. It's disabled by default.

In Confluence Server, you can install the Source Editor plugin and paste HTML.

You can also copy rendered HTML in a browser and paste it in the
regular Confluence WYSIWYG editor. If I remember right, Chrome works
best for that.

I hope you're migrating to Confluence Server rather than Confluence
Cloud, which supports a very limited set of plugins, not including
Source Editor or Scroll PDF Exporter. With Confluence Cloud, you also
never know when Atlassian is going to roll out some ill-conceived or
badly designed "improvement" that screws things up.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> It's been a couple years and releases, but I would use/try the Frame
> Publish to HTML5 to export and the Confluence HTML Macro to import.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Art Campbell]

It's been a couple years and releases, but I would use/try the Frame
Publish to HTML5 to export and the Confluence HTML Macro to import.


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On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Shaw, Brian 
wrote:

> Hi Framers,
> I'm hoping somebody has had some experience in moving FrameMaker books
> into Confluence. Out-of-the-box, Confluence only supports import from Word
> docs, so the approaches are to either save as RTF and then to Word, or save
> as PDF and then to Word. PDF appears to be the better intermediary format
> as we can import a complete book at a time, but maintaining the formatting
> during the import is approximate at best.
> Numbered lists are particularly problematic, and strange things happen to
> graphics and tables. The best option we've been able to find so far is to
> open PDFs directly in Word and save as docx. This preserves the numbered
> lists after the Confluence import, except that the extras embedded in a
> list, such as graphics, notes, etc. break the numbering. A soft return can
> fix things by joining the extras to the numbered paragraph above, but the
> process is clumsy. Other issues are that we lose all of our cross
> references and special formatting such as monospaced fonts for code
> examples. There doesn't seem to be any options for mapping the formats
> during the import.
> Another issue has been PDFs that were used as graphics in the source FM
> files. While they look great in an FM to PDF save as, Confluence doesn't
> know what to do with them. We have a workaround by initially saving the PDF
> images as PNGs. We then save each of the FM docs as MIF, replace .pdf with
> .png in the MIF text, and then resave the MIF as FM, but that's also
> long-winded. If somebody knows of a way to get Confluence work with PDF
> images, that would be cool.
> As background, we're using Frame 2015 for general production, but some of
> the team also have 2017. We also have the latest versions of Acrobat and
> the Office products.
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Brian Shaw
> Technical Writer | Delivery Systems
>
> Diebold Nixdorf
> Phone +1 226 216 3728
> Fax +1 519 679 6773
>
> brian.s...@dieboldnixdorf.com
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Robert Lauriston]

More signs that Atlassian is a screwed-up company: they resolve bugs
as Fixed when they have not in fact fixed them.

https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONFSERVER-39129

Or they resolve them as Won't Fix on the theory that if they haven't
fixed them in a few years, no one cares.

https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONFSERVER-39146
https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONFSERVER-39140

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 1. Word is the only supported import format.
> 2. If you use the standard Heading1 etc. it can break things up into
> topics, but subtopics will be sorted alphabetically.
> 3. Auto-numbered paragraphs are converted to literal text.
> 4. Cross-references are lost.
>
> It's bizarre to me that Atlassian doesn't recognize how much business
> it must lose by making it so hard to migrate, but there are lots of
> other signs that the company's not run too well.
>
> I saw some posts somewhere from someone who built an in-house
> integration tool using the Confluence SDK or REST API or something
> like that.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Shaw, Brian
>  wrote:
>> Hi Framers,
>> I'm hoping somebody has had some experience in moving FrameMaker books into 
>> Confluence. Out-of-the-box, Confluence only supports import from Word docs, 
>> so the approaches are to either save as RTF and then to Word, or save as PDF 
>> and then to Word. PDF appears to be the better intermediary format as we can 
>> import a complete book at a time, but maintaining the formatting during the 
>> import is approximate at best.
>> Numbered lists are particularly problematic, and strange things happen to 
>> graphics and tables. The best option we've been able to find so far is to 
>> open PDFs directly in Word and save as docx. This preserves the numbered 
>> lists after the Confluence import, except that the extras embedded in a 
>> list, such as graphics, notes, etc. break the numbering. A soft return can 
>> fix things by joining the extras to the numbered paragraph above, but the 
>> process is clumsy. Other issues are that we lose all of our cross references 
>> and special formatting such as monospaced fonts for code examples. There 
>> doesn't seem to be any options for mapping the formats during the import.
>> Another issue has been PDFs that were used as graphics in the source FM 
>> files. While they look great in an FM to PDF save as, Confluence doesn't 
>> know what to do with them. We have a workaround by initially saving the PDF 
>> images as PNGs. We then save each of the FM docs as MIF, replace .pdf with 
>> .png in the MIF text, and then resave the MIF as FM, but that's also 
>> long-winded. If somebody knows of a way to get Confluence work with PDF 
>> images, that would be cool.
>> As background, we're using Frame 2015 for general production, but some of 
>> the team also have 2017. We also have the latest versions of Acrobat and the 
>> Office products.
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Robert Lauriston]

1. Word is the only supported import format.
2. If you use the standard Heading1 etc. it can break things up into
topics, but subtopics will be sorted alphabetically.
3. Auto-numbered paragraphs are converted to literal text.
4. Cross-references are lost.

It's bizarre to me that Atlassian doesn't recognize how much business
it must lose by making it so hard to migrate, but there are lots of
other signs that the company's not run too well.

I saw some posts somewhere from someone who built an in-house
integration tool using the Confluence SDK or REST API or something
like that.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Shaw, Brian
 wrote:
> Hi Framers,
> I'm hoping somebody has had some experience in moving FrameMaker books into 
> Confluence. Out-of-the-box, Confluence only supports import from Word docs, 
> so the approaches are to either save as RTF and then to Word, or save as PDF 
> and then to Word. PDF appears to be the better intermediary format as we can 
> import a complete book at a time, but maintaining the formatting during the 
> import is approximate at best.
> Numbered lists are particularly problematic, and strange things happen to 
> graphics and tables. The best option we've been able to find so far is to 
> open PDFs directly in Word and save as docx. This preserves the numbered 
> lists after the Confluence import, except that the extras embedded in a list, 
> such as graphics, notes, etc. break the numbering. A soft return can fix 
> things by joining the extras to the numbered paragraph above, but the process 
> is clumsy. Other issues are that we lose all of our cross references and 
> special formatting such as monospaced fonts for code examples. There doesn't 
> seem to be any options for mapping the formats during the import.
> Another issue has been PDFs that were used as graphics in the source FM 
> files. While they look great in an FM to PDF save as, Confluence doesn't know 
> what to do with them. We have a workaround by initially saving the PDF images 
> as PNGs. We then save each of the FM docs as MIF, replace .pdf with .png in 
> the MIF text, and then resave the MIF as FM, but that's also long-winded. If 
> somebody knows of a way to get Confluence work with PDF images, that would be 
> cool.
> As background, we're using Frame 2015 for general production, but some of the 
> team also have 2017. We also have the latest versions of Acrobat and the 
> Office products.
> Thanks in advance,
>
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[Framers] FrameMaker to Confluence

[Shaw, Brian]

Hi Framers,
I'm hoping somebody has had some experience in moving FrameMaker books into 
Confluence. Out-of-the-box, Confluence only supports import from Word docs, so 
the approaches are to either save as RTF and then to Word, or save as PDF and 
then to Word. PDF appears to be the better intermediary format as we can import 
a complete book at a time, but maintaining the formatting during the import is 
approximate at best.
Numbered lists are particularly problematic, and strange things happen to 
graphics and tables. The best option we've been able to find so far is to open 
PDFs directly in Word and save as docx. This preserves the numbered lists after 
the Confluence import, except that the extras embedded in a list, such as 
graphics, notes, etc. break the numbering. A soft return can fix things by 
joining the extras to the numbered paragraph above, but the process is clumsy. 
Other issues are that we lose all of our cross references and special 
formatting such as monospaced fonts for code examples. There doesn't seem to be 
any options for mapping the formats during the import.
Another issue has been PDFs that were used as graphics in the source FM files. 
While they look great in an FM to PDF save as, Confluence doesn't know what to 
do with them. We have a workaround by initially saving the PDF images as PNGs. 
We then save each of the FM docs as MIF, replace .pdf with .png in the MIF 
text, and then resave the MIF as FM, but that's also long-winded. If somebody 
knows of a way to get Confluence work with PDF images, that would be cool.
As background, we're using Frame 2015 for general production, but some of the 
team also have 2017. We also have the latest versions of Acrobat and the Office 
products.
Thanks in advance,

Brian Shaw
Technical Writer | Delivery Systems

Diebold Nixdorf
Phone +1 226 216 3728
Fax +1 519 679 6773

brian.s...@dieboldnixdorf.com
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