Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
It does that automatically now, although it's still faster if you have them all open. I usually have all my files open anyway for xref creation so it's never been an issue for me. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:44 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > Oh, there's a blast from the past. In FM7 there was some issue that > meant I had to open all the files in a book when saving as PDF. That > was one of the incentives for putting all the chapters in a single .fm > file. > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:06 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > > Holding down Shift, not Ctrl. :D > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:21 AM Fred Ridder wrote: > > > > > Have you tried opening all the component files before you kick off the > > > update book operation? If you don't do this, any kind of > "informational" > > > dialog like the infamous "missing fonts" message or "inconsistent > > > conditions" or "inconsistent color definitions" messages will make the > > > book update hang because the dialog must be dismissed before the file > in > > > question can be fully opened. > > > > > > Opening all the files in not as onerous as it sounds. If you hold down > > > Ctrl when you pull down the File menu, all the commands (Open, Save, > Save > > > As) will be "all" commands (Open All, Save All, etc.). Just remember > that > > > you do have to explicitly save the updated component files after > running > > > the update because they are not automatically saved if they are in the > open > > > state when updated. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
Oh, there's a blast from the past. In FM7 there was some issue that meant I had to open all the files in a book when saving as PDF. That was one of the incentives for putting all the chapters in a single .fm file. On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:06 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > Holding down Shift, not Ctrl. :D > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:21 AM Fred Ridder wrote: > > > Have you tried opening all the component files before you kick off the > > update book operation? If you don't do this, any kind of "informational" > > dialog like the infamous "missing fonts" message or "inconsistent > > conditions" or "inconsistent color definitions" messages will make the > > book update hang because the dialog must be dismissed before the file in > > question can be fully opened. > > > > Opening all the files in not as onerous as it sounds. If you hold down > > Ctrl when you pull down the File menu, all the commands (Open, Save, Save > > As) will be "all" commands (Open All, Save All, etc.). Just remember that > > you do have to explicitly save the updated component files after running > > the update because they are not automatically saved if they are in the open > > state when updated. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
SuuUUre. That's your story, and you're sticking to it, huh? (Right there with you, actually.) On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 2:51 PM Fred Ridder wrote: > Oops, right. I knew it was one of those keys in the lower left corner. My > fingers know better then my mind sometimes... > > -FR > > > Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
Oops, right. I knew it was one of those keys in the lower left corner. My fingers know better then my mind sometimes... -FR From: Framers on behalf of Lin Sims Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book Holding down Shift, not Ctrl. :D On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:21 AM Fred Ridder wrote: > Have you tried opening all the component files before you kick off the > update book operation? If you don't do this, any kind of "informational" > dialog like the infamous "missing fonts" message or "inconsistent > conditions" or "inconsistent color definitions" messages will make the > book update hang because the dialog must be dismissed before the file in > question can be fully opened. > > Opening all the files in not as onerous as it sounds. If you hold down > Ctrl when you pull down the File menu, all the commands (Open, Save, Save > As) will be "all" commands (Open All, Save All, etc.). Just remember that > you do have to explicitly save the updated component files after running > the update because they are not automatically saved if they are in the open > state when updated. > > -FR > > > From: Framers > on behalf of barry.meis...@nuvoton.com > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:17 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the > middle of a long book > > Hi, > I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total, > non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first third, > actually) of the update (book generation). > > I update other books successfully---all the time. It's just this one book > that has been causing me tremendous, frustrating problems. > > Actually, I succeed on the first attempt (typically); but can't get it to > work after that and this prevents me from being able to work on it. > > Any ideas why this is happening and what I can do to "fix" it? > > Thanks much in advance, > Barry Meislin > > > > === > The privileged confidential information contained in this email is > intended for use only by the addressees as indicated by the original sender > of this email. If you are not the addressee indicated in this email or are > not responsible for delivery of the email to such a person, please kindly > reply to the sender indicating this fact and delete all copies of it from > your computer and network server immediately. Your cooperation is highly > appreciated. It is advised that any unauthorized use of confidential > information of Nuvoton is strictly prohibited; and any information in this > email irrelevant to the official business of Nuvoton shall be deemed as > neither given nor endorsed by Nuvoton. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5a54b2ce254e419c62d208d7951dde27%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141827820696183sdata=69i5OYcd0XR7dmRzBJpz6kKH1pRMXftHWNFzWojPM3I%3Dreserved=0 > Archives located at > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists.frameusers.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5a54b2ce254e419c62d208d7951dde27%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141827820696183sdata=GUw%2Fjnotvl9zO15ebtelSrzk07Irk7MOFlmbJ2fbcrY%3Dreserved=0 > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5a54b2ce254e419c62d208d7951dde27%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141827820696183sdata=fm74mG%2Fay4C1J0Dc5oGSkOEt5w1q%2BREigUIMk6guHP4%3Dreserved=0 > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5a54b2ce254e419c62d208d7951dde27%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141827820696183sdata=69i5OYcd0XR7dmRzBJpz6kKH1pRMXftHWNFzWojPM3I%3Dreserved=0 > Archives located at > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists.frameusers.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5a54b2ce254e419c62d208d7951dde27%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141827820696183sdata=GUw%2Fjnotvl9zO15ebtelSrzk07Irk7MOFlmbJ2fbcrY%3Dreserved=0 > Subscribe and unsubscribe at >
Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
I've never used a comment marker. I didn't even know they existed, but that's mostly because I don't use markers much. I should probably look into their functionality. For me, I just create a condition tag for comments because that makes it easy to find and edit comments. On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:49 AM Carol J. Elkins wrote: > At 03:17 AM 1/9/2020, barry.meis...@nuvoton.com wrote: > >I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total, > >non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first > >third, actually) of the update (book generation). > > Hi Barry, > > You didn't say specifically what happens when the book "dies" during > the update process. Does Frame crash? Or does nothing happen at all? > Any error message? > > Many years ago, my Frame 12 would mysteriously crash during book > generation and by laboriously doing what Lin suggested, I narrowed it > down to a page containing a Comment marker that had a hard return in > it. When I deleted the hard return, Frame was happy again. It > happened frequently thereafter in other books, and every single time > it was a doggone hard return in a Comment marker. > > Carol > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
At 03:17 AM 1/9/2020, barry.meis...@nuvoton.com wrote: I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total, non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first third, actually) of the update (book generation). Hi Barry, You didn't say specifically what happens when the book "dies" during the update process. Does Frame crash? Or does nothing happen at all? Any error message? Many years ago, my Frame 12 would mysteriously crash during book generation and by laboriously doing what Lin suggested, I narrowed it down to a page containing a Comment marker that had a hard return in it. When I deleted the hard return, Frame was happy again. It happened frequently thereafter in other books, and every single time it was a doggone hard return in a Comment marker. Carol ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
Holding down Shift, not Ctrl. :D On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:21 AM Fred Ridder wrote: > Have you tried opening all the component files before you kick off the > update book operation? If you don't do this, any kind of "informational" > dialog like the infamous "missing fonts" message or "inconsistent > conditions" or "inconsistent color definitions" messages will make the > book update hang because the dialog must be dismissed before the file in > question can be fully opened. > > Opening all the files in not as onerous as it sounds. If you hold down > Ctrl when you pull down the File menu, all the commands (Open, Save, Save > As) will be "all" commands (Open All, Save All, etc.). Just remember that > you do have to explicitly save the updated component files after running > the update because they are not automatically saved if they are in the open > state when updated. > > -FR > > > From: Framers > on behalf of barry.meis...@nuvoton.com > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:17 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the > middle of a long book > > Hi, > I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total, > non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first third, > actually) of the update (book generation). > > I update other books successfully---all the time. It's just this one book > that has been causing me tremendous, frustrating problems. > > Actually, I succeed on the first attempt (typically); but can't get it to > work after that and this prevents me from being able to work on it. > > Any ideas why this is happening and what I can do to "fix" it? > > Thanks much in advance, > Barry Meislin > > > > === > The privileged confidential information contained in this email is > intended for use only by the addressees as indicated by the original sender > of this email. If you are not the addressee indicated in this email or are > not responsible for delivery of the email to such a person, please kindly > reply to the sender indicating this fact and delete all copies of it from > your computer and network server immediately. Your cooperation is highly > appreciated. It is advised that any unauthorized use of confidential > information of Nuvoton is strictly prohibited; and any information in this > email irrelevant to the official business of Nuvoton shall be deemed as > neither given nor endorsed by Nuvoton. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C61f5ea0c61cb45091b6408d794ed176e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141618325802009sdata=Opg0Jqj5dqpv3sxD4xe05sxI%2FmI400zLnCA0fZSuTbI%3Dreserved=0 > Archives located at > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists.frameusers.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C61f5ea0c61cb45091b6408d794ed176e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141618325802009sdata=egTGycULVBFWB5fnJ18odU2xBJJeWuN6q3zkVmwbAnY%3Dreserved=0 > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C61f5ea0c61cb45091b6408d794ed176e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141618325802009sdata=rflcKWSnD6Ug%2FJOn61xli97%2BFGDUgkQspqK9WOWxPwI%3Dreserved=0 > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
Have you tried opening all the component files before you kick off the update book operation? If you don't do this, any kind of "informational" dialog like the infamous "missing fonts" message or "inconsistent conditions" or "inconsistent color definitions" messages will make the book update hang because the dialog must be dismissed before the file in question can be fully opened. Opening all the files in not as onerous as it sounds. If you hold down Ctrl when you pull down the File menu, all the commands (Open, Save, Save As) will be "all" commands (Open All, Save All, etc.). Just remember that you do have to explicitly save the updated component files after running the update because they are not automatically saved if they are in the open state when updated. -FR From: Framers on behalf of barry.meis...@nuvoton.com Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:17 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book Hi, I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total, non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first third, actually) of the update (book generation). I update other books successfully---all the time. It's just this one book that has been causing me tremendous, frustrating problems. Actually, I succeed on the first attempt (typically); but can't get it to work after that and this prevents me from being able to work on it. Any ideas why this is happening and what I can do to "fix" it? Thanks much in advance, Barry Meislin === The privileged confidential information contained in this email is intended for use only by the addressees as indicated by the original sender of this email. If you are not the addressee indicated in this email or are not responsible for delivery of the email to such a person, please kindly reply to the sender indicating this fact and delete all copies of it from your computer and network server immediately. Your cooperation is highly appreciated. It is advised that any unauthorized use of confidential information of Nuvoton is strictly prohibited; and any information in this email irrelevant to the official business of Nuvoton shall be deemed as neither given nor endorsed by Nuvoton. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C61f5ea0c61cb45091b6408d794ed176e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141618325802009sdata=Opg0Jqj5dqpv3sxD4xe05sxI%2FmI400zLnCA0fZSuTbI%3Dreserved=0 Archives located at https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists.frameusers.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C61f5ea0c61cb45091b6408d794ed176e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141618325802009sdata=egTGycULVBFWB5fnJ18odU2xBJJeWuN6q3zkVmwbAnY%3Dreserved=0 Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C61f5ea0c61cb45091b6408d794ed176e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637141618325802009sdata=rflcKWSnD6Ug%2FJOn61xli97%2BFGDUgkQspqK9WOWxPwI%3Dreserved=0 Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
My go-to is performing a MIF wash of the book. Adobe actually has a DLL for that which, for some reason, it doesn't include as part of the basic installation (see https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/how-to-use-mifwash-utility-in-framemaker.html) . If that doesn't work, I start working my way through halves of the book. That is, I try to PDF the last half of the book. If that works, I know the problem is in the first half. Then I PDF half of the remaining files. If that works, I move on to half of the remaining files, and so on, until I isolate which file is causing the issue. Repeat the process on the pages of the file itself. Most often, an issue like this is caused by a corrupted graphics file. Isolate it and then try to figure out what went wrong with it, which can mean recreating it. On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:33 AM wrote: > Hi, > I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total, > non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first third, > actually) of the update (book generation). > > I update other books successfully---all the time. It's just this one book > that has been causing me tremendous, frustrating problems. > > Actually, I succeed on the first attempt (typically); but can't get it to > work after that and this prevents me from being able to work on it. > > Any ideas why this is happening and what I can do to "fix" it? > > Thanks much in advance, > Barry Meislin > > > > === > The privileged confidential information contained in this email is > intended for use only by the addressees as indicated by the original sender > of this email. If you are not the addressee indicated in this email or are > not responsible for delivery of the email to such a person, please kindly > reply to the sender indicating this fact and delete all copies of it from > your computer and network server immediately. Your cooperation is highly > appreciated. It is advised that any unauthorized use of confidential > information of Nuvoton is strictly prohibited; and any information in this > email irrelevant to the official business of Nuvoton shall be deemed as > neither given nor endorsed by Nuvoton. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book
Hi, I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total, non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first third, actually) of the update (book generation). I update other books successfully---all the time. It's just this one book that has been causing me tremendous, frustrating problems. Actually, I succeed on the first attempt (typically); but can't get it to work after that and this prevents me from being able to work on it. Any ideas why this is happening and what I can do to "fix" it? Thanks much in advance, Barry Meislin === The privileged confidential information contained in this email is intended for use only by the addressees as indicated by the original sender of this email. If you are not the addressee indicated in this email or are not responsible for delivery of the email to such a person, please kindly reply to the sender indicating this fact and delete all copies of it from your computer and network server immediately. Your cooperation is highly appreciated. It is advised that any unauthorized use of confidential information of Nuvoton is strictly prohibited; and any information in this email irrelevant to the official business of Nuvoton shall be deemed as neither given nor endorsed by Nuvoton. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
