Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-28 Thread Robert Lauriston 
I think Adobe Classroom in a Book is still good for most unstructured features.

I don't know if there are any solid resources for structured. I
couldn't find any when I was looking a few years ago.

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 10:53 PM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> Hi
> A friend of mine needs to start working with FrameMaker.
>
> What resources do you recommend to help her get started and understand how
> it works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast as possible?
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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-28 Thread Craig Ede 
I have to agree with this. It is still possible to print out the entire manual 
from the pdf. I remember the FrameMaker 5.5 manual (which came with the product 
as a hardcopy) as being exceptionally good, but with all the changes since 
then, the new PDF is the better place to go. There has been a tendency to 
piecemeal things out, losing some of the global concerns that really ought to 
drive how one uses FrameMaker. I think that is an effect of DITA parsing, but I 
believe enough high level stuff is still covered to offset that.

Current version:
https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf


Earlier versions:
https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/archive.html

Craig

...snipped

Way back in 1995, I had to learn Frame by the seat of my pants. I
literally read the ENTIRE user manual (the one that came in the box
with the discs) from cover to cover. I had been a WordPerfect user
and it was an adjustment to wrap my head around the concept of
needing a "frame" in which to enter all content, text or otherwise. I
don't think that Frame is one of those pieces of software that you
can learn to be good at simply by mucking around in it (which is
pretty much how I've learned most other software). You really need a
structured framework in which to learn it, either a course or a book.

...

Carol


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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-27 Thread ideaslists 
I may be a little biased, but I don't think anything beats hands-on,
personalized instruction from an Adobe Certified Instructor:
https://training.adobe.com/training/partner-finder.html#p=1=adobe-fr
ame-maker=aci
Many offer training online, on site at your location, and in a classroom.

David Creamer
IDEAS
760-473-0287
ADOBE Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1994
Adobe Community Professional: Wizard Level
Training on the Adobe Creative Cloud (Acrobat, Photoshop, Illustrator,
InDesign/InCopy, XD, Lightroom, Premiere Rush, Premiere Pro, After Effects,
XD, Dimension, Dreamweaver, Animate, and Audition), the Technical
Communication Suite (FrameMaker, Captivate, RoboHelp, Presenter, Acrobat),
and LiveCycle/AEM Designer
 FrameMaker Certified since 1991, including structured XML
Articulate Storyline, Rise, and Studio
Techsmith Camtasia and SnagIt
Microsoft Office training, including Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access,
Publisher, Project, and more
Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988
FileMaker Business Alliance member: Trainer
Authorized FlightCheck Instructor


From: Caroline Tabach 
Subject: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

Hi
A friend of mine needs to start working with FrameMaker.

What resources do you recommend to help her get started and understand how
it works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast as possible?

Thanks

Caroline Tabach

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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-27 Thread Caroline Tabach 
Me too.

Thanks everyone for the resources; I shall pass them on.

Caroline Tabach

On Mon, 27 May 2019, 18:33 Shmuel,  wrote:

> I took the "Using FrameMaker" course by Shlomo Perets, and was very
> satisfied.
> www.microtype.com/training.html
>
> --
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 058-763-7133
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 8:53 AM Caroline Tabach  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > A friend of mine needs to start working with FrameMaker.
> >
> > What resources do you recommend to help her get started and understand
> how
> > it works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast as possible?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Caroline Tabach
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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-27 Thread Carol J. Elkins 

At 11:53 PM 5/26/2019, Caroline Tabach wrote:
What resources do you recommend to help her get started and 
understand how it works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast 
as possible?


Way back in 1995, I had to learn Frame by the seat of my pants. I 
literally read the ENTIRE user manual (the one that came in the box 
with the discs) from cover to cover. I had been a WordPerfect user 
and it was an adjustment to wrap my head around the concept of 
needing a "frame" in which to enter all content, text or otherwise. I 
don't think that Frame is one of those pieces of software that you 
can learn to be good at simply by mucking around in it (which is 
pretty much how I've learned most other software). You really need a 
structured framework in which to learn it, either a course or a book.


Also, I just want to remind everyone that the FrameUsers web site 
(http://www.frameusers.com) is a good 
tool to use, not for learning but for resources (templates, techniques, docs).


Carol


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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-27 Thread Shmuel 
I took the "Using FrameMaker" course by Shlomo Perets, and was very
satisfied.
www.microtype.com/training.html

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 8:53 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> Hi
> A friend of mine needs to start working with FrameMaker.
>
> What resources do you recommend to help her get started and understand how
> it works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast as possible?
>
> Thanks
>
> Caroline Tabach
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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-27 Thread Lin Sims 
The Adobe Classroom in a Book for Frame 11, and its lesson files, is still
available. I've never used them, but I've heard good things about them.

For me, FrameMaker was very much sink or swim thing; I got tossed in to
using it with no prior training. On the other hand, I'd already worked in
something like 11 different word processing systems prior to encountering
Frame, and there was one thing I learned: they all do pretty much the same
thing, they just organize themselves differently. Yes, Frame is a desktop
publishing tool rather than a word processing tool, but many of the
functions are the same or similar and learning the differences isn't that
difficult.

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 8:58 AM Jeff Coatsworth <
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:

> As a self-taught FM person I started with Matt R. Sullivan's Publishing
> Fundamentals: Unstructured FM - the update of the Scriptorium reference
> book (he's got a newer version out since). His techcomtools.com site has
> lots of blog post material & so does Barb Binder's Rocky Mountain Training
> site.
>
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> Subject: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame
>
> Hi
> A friend of mine needs to start working with FrameMaker.
>
> What resources do you recommend to help her get started and understand how
> it works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast as possible?
>
> Thanks
>
> Caroline Tabach
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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-27 Thread Jeff Coatsworth 
As a self-taught FM person I started with Matt R. Sullivan's Publishing 
Fundamentals: Unstructured FM - the update of the Scriptorium reference book 
(he's got a newer version out since). His techcomtools.com site has lots of 
blog post material & so does Barb Binder's Rocky Mountain Training site.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Caroline Tabach
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 1:53 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

Hi
A friend of mine needs to start working with FrameMaker.

What resources do you recommend to help her get started and understand how it 
works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast as possible?

Thanks

Caroline Tabach
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[Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

2019-05-26 Thread Caroline Tabach 
Hi
A friend of mine needs to start working with FrameMaker.

What resources do you recommend to help her get started and understand how
it works (your favorite web sites, books etc) as fast as possible?

Thanks

Caroline Tabach
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