subject:"\[Framers\] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually"

Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Lin Sims

Actually, I put a legend on the cover. He didn't like flipping back and
forth, and he found too many colors on the same page to be
headache-inducing.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Could you do what you need by having an .fm file that has a table with
> a row for each condition indicator, one column for the indicator name,
> a second with conditional text saying "currently visible," and a third
> describing its purpose? You could include that file as the first page
> after the front matter when generating PDFs (?) for your boss, and
> drop it from customer versions.
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
> I'm
> > hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
> > concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
> it.
> >
> > My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
> > actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
> > versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
> > only one of the indicators being visible.
> >
> > That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and
> H,
> > he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
> > the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
> >
> > Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
> > black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
> > another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
> would
> > be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
> way
> > I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
> >
> > Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF
> editing?
> > Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
> > feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
>



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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Lin Sims

Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize. I get a little hyperfocused sometimes. :(

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Could you do what you need by having an .fm file that has a table with
> a row for each condition indicator, one column for the indicator name,
> a second with conditional text saying "currently visible," and a third
> describing its purpose? You could include that file as the first page
> after the front matter when generating PDFs (?) for your boss, and
> drop it from customer versions.
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
> I'm
> > hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
> > concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
> it.
> >
> > My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
> > actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
> > versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
> > only one of the indicators being visible.
> >
> > That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and
> H,
> > he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
> > the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
> >
> > Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
> > black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
> > another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
> would
> > be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
> way
> > I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
> >
> > Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF
> editing?
> > Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
> > feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
>



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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Robert Lauriston

Could you do what you need by having an .fm file that has a table with
a row for each condition indicator, one column for the indicator name,
a second with conditional text saying "currently visible," and a third
describing its purpose? You could include that file as the first page
after the front matter when generating PDFs (?) for your boss, and
drop it from customer versions.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.
>
> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
> only one of the indicators being visible.
>
> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>
> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
> I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
>
> Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
> Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
> feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Fred Ridder

But I wasn't suggesting it as a solution for your problem, Lin.


I was only trying to head off listmembers getting the wrong impression from 
Peter's post. A FrameMaker template actually has *lots* of space where 
information can be added to make it self-documenting, and I can personally 
attest to the way this can really save your bacon. We all complain when 
software developers don't adequately comment their code (I once spent hundreds 
of hours tracing through underdocumented code in what was supposed to be a 
foundation library for our customers to use to streamline their own 
development), but underdocumented templates are just as bad.

-FR


From: Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:41 PM
To: Peter Gold
Cc: Fred Ridder; Frame Users
Subject: Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

As I said to Fred, the problem is that this information has to be VISIBLE in 
the deliverable.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Peter Gold 
<peter@petergold.photography<mailto:peter@petergold.photography>> wrote:
Good reminder, Fred!.

There's something warm and fuzzy when a long-dormant FM feature gets recognized 
for its current usefulness.

Thanks.

My point in suggesting the non-main-content area was intended to make the 
non-printing memory-jogging material always visible to authors, but not in 
deliverables, without any manual effort to display or conceal it.



On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Fred Ridder 
<docu...@hotmail.com<mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Unless something has changed in recent versions of FrameMaker, there is no need 
to restrict yourself to "non-main-content areas" on master pages. The main text 
frames on the master pages are only *placeholder* frames. You can fill them up 
with notes and instructions and whatever  else you want to put in there, and 
none of it will ever appear in the deliverable document. And since you can add 
more master pages beyond what you actually need for your document design, 
there's a relatively unlimited amount of space available.


I used this trick extensively when I was working with a group of more than 25 
writers at a previous employer (back in the FM6 days) when we were migrating a 
hundred or so documents from Word to FrameMaker. I haven't had need to use this 
trick in about a decade, but I can't imagine that Adobe would have changed the 
basic document model so completely that it no longer works.

-FR






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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Lin Sims

As I said to Fred, the problem is that this information has to be VISIBLE
in the deliverable.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Good reminder, Fred!.
>
> There's something warm and fuzzy when a long-dormant FM feature gets
> recognized for its current usefulness.
>
> Thanks.
>
> My point in suggesting the non-main-content area was intended to make the
> non-printing memory-jogging material always visible to authors, but not in
> deliverables, without any manual effort to display or conceal it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
>
>> Unless something has changed in recent versions of FrameMaker, there is
>> no need to restrict yourself to "non-main-content areas" on master pages.
>> The main text frames on the master pages are only *placeholder* frames. You
>> can fill them up with notes and instructions and whatever  else you want to
>> put in there, and none of it will ever appear in the deliverable document.
>> And since you can add more master pages beyond what you actually need for
>> your document design, there's a relatively unlimited amount of space
>> available.
>>
>> I used this trick extensively when I was working with a group of more
>> than 25 writers at a previous employer (back in the FM6 days) when we
>> were migrating a hundred or so documents from Word to FrameMaker. I haven't
>> had need to use this trick in about a decade, but I can't imagine that
>> Adobe would have changed the basic document model so completely that it no
>> longer works.
>>
>> -FR
>>
>> --
>>
>>


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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Peter Gold

Good reminder, Fred!.

There's something warm and fuzzy when a long-dormant FM feature gets
recognized for its current usefulness.

Thanks.

My point in suggesting the non-main-content area was intended to make the
non-printing memory-jogging material always visible to authors, but not in
deliverables, without any manual effort to display or conceal it.



On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> Unless something has changed in recent versions of FrameMaker, there is no
> need to restrict yourself to "non-main-content areas" on master pages. The
> main text frames on the master pages are only *placeholder* frames. You can
> fill them up with notes and instructions and whatever  else you want to put
> in there, and none of it will ever appear in the deliverable document. And
> since you can add more master pages beyond what you actually need for your
> document design, there's a relatively unlimited amount of space available.
>
> I used this trick extensively when I was working with a group of more than
> 25 writers at a previous employer (back in the FM6 days) when we were
> migrating a hundred or so documents from Word to FrameMaker. I haven't had
> need to use this trick in about a decade, but I can't imagine that Adobe
> would have changed the basic document model so completely that it no longer
> works.
>
> -FR
>
> --
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Fred Ridder

Unless something has changed in recent versions of FrameMaker, there is no need 
to restrict yourself to "non-main-content areas" on master pages. The main text 
frames on the master pages are only *placeholder* frames. You can fill them up 
with notes and instructions and whatever  else you want to put in there, and 
none of it will ever appear in the deliverable document. And since you can add 
more master pages beyond what you actually need for your document design, 
there's a relatively unlimited amount of space available.

I used this trick extensively when I was working with a group of more than 25 
writers at a previous employer (back in the FM6 days) when we were migrating a 
hundred or so documents from Word to FrameMaker. I haven't had need to use this 
trick in about a decade, but I can't imagine that Adobe would have changed the 
basic document model so completely that it no longer works.

-FR

From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on 
behalf of Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Lin Sims
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
be visible.

This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
pages and use cropping marks.

HTH

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.
>
> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
> only one of the indicators being visible.
>
> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>
> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
> I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
>
> Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
> Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
> feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
> --
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Lin Sims

There hasn't been a need to include this kind of information before, and
I'm the only one in the company with this need now. Plus, the conditions in
use change depending on the IP and the customers, so including info in the
style guide (we do have one!) won't help, alas.

Without even meaning to, I'm usually the one who breaks the program or
finds the unusual problem.  Recently I found that the version of Vasont
we have (I think it's the latest release), automatically chooses SVGZ as
its image format when you want to update an SVG file, instead of the SVG
file you actually want.

For now, I'm settling on using our mandated settings file to set the
conditions and colors for the combination peculiar to the review
information my boss wants to see.

I rather expected it's what I'd have to do, but dang, being able to just
... toggle would be nice. Although given that there's no predetermined set
of conditions means the script would have to incorporate the conditions in
the file into its GUI and do it every time. Ah, well.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Hi, Lin:
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> I hadn't, but in my case it won't work. There isn't enough white space in
>> the standard template to do this, and I'm not allowed to play with page
>> layout. There's a corporate-mandated template we all use.
>>
>
> I get it. What I don't get is why a template mandate would want to
> preclude improving efficiency, communication, and accuracy, etc.
>
> How about one or more of these variations:
>
> * Create a document with the supporting information for the template
> documents
>
> * Incorporate the supporting information in the style guide ("What?
> There's a style guide? Radical!")
>
> * Include the document with all book template sets
>
> * Create a one-line non-printing cross-reference in every document
> template. that points to the style guide, or to that standalone supporting
> document. As to shortage of white space, a good place might be in the edge
> area that printers leave blank.
>
> Going back to your earlier question about scripting, probably "yes, it's
> possible." You'd need to plan the scripts as finely as you've planned the
> various combinations of conditional text. It's doable, IMO.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Peter Gold 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
>>> keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
>>> areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
>>> paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
>>> the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
>>> instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
>>> be visible.
>>>
>>> This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
>>> requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
>>> area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
>>> slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
>>> pages and use cropping marks.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>>
 Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
 I'm
 hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
 concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
 it.

 My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
 actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
 versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
 only one of the indicators being visible.

 That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and
 H,
 he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
 the INDICATOR for F to be visible.

 Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
 black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
 another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
 would
 be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
 way
 I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.

 Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF
 editing?
 Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
 feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like
 this?
 --
 Lin Sims
>>>
>>>

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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-18 Thread Peter Gold

Hi, Lin:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> I hadn't, but in my case it won't work. There isn't enough white space in
> the standard template to do this, and I'm not allowed to play with page
> layout. There's a corporate-mandated template we all use.
>

I get it. What I don't get is why a template mandate would want to
preclude improving efficiency, communication, and accuracy, etc.

How about one or more of these variations:

* Create a document with the supporting information for the template
documents

* Incorporate the supporting information in the style guide ("What? There's
a style guide? Radical!")

* Include the document with all book template sets

* Create a one-line non-printing cross-reference in every document
template. that points to the style guide, or to that standalone supporting
document. As to shortage of white space, a good place might be in the edge
area that printers leave blank.

Going back to your earlier question about scripting, probably "yes, it's
possible." You'd need to plan the scripts as finely as you've planned the
various combinations of conditional text. It's doable, IMO.

HTH


On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Peter Gold 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
>> keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
>> areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
>> paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
>> the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
>> instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
>> be visible.
>>
>> This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
>> requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
>> area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
>> slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
>> pages and use cropping marks.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>
>>> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
>>> I'm
>>> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
>>> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
>>> it.
>>>
>>> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
>>> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
>>> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
>>> only one of the indicators being visible.
>>>
>>> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and
>>> H,
>>> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
>>> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>>>
>>> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
>>> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
>>> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
>>> would
>>> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
>>> way
>>> I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
>>>
>>> Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF
>>> editing?
>>> Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
>>> feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
>>> --
>>> Lin Sims
>>
>>
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-17 Thread Pat Christenson

Here's my suggestion: Create a document for each display you need. In that 
documents, redefine the conditions so that all are black (not As Is) and the 
one has a color. Then Import Condition Settings from one of those docs to your 
doc.

Pat Christenson

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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+pat.christenson=morningstar@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:24 PM
To: Frame Users <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm 
hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually concerns 
the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.

My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is actually 
indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous versions of the 
document set that have various conditions turned on, but only one of the 
indicators being visible.

That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H, he 
wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants the 
INDICATOR for F to be visible.

Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to black 
on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and another MIF 
snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would be nice if I 
could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way I'm doing it is 
a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.

Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a 
feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-17 Thread Lin Sims

I hadn't, but in my case it won't work. There isn't enough white space in
the standard template to do this, and I'm not allowed to play with page
layout. There's a corporate-mandated template we all use.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
> keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
> areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
> paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
> the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
> instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
> be visible.
>
> This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
> requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
> area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
> slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
> pages and use cropping marks.
>
> HTH
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
>> I'm
>> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
>> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
>> it.
>>
>> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
>> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
>> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
>> only one of the indicators being visible.
>>
>> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
>> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
>> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>>
>> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
>> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
>> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
>> would
>> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
>> way
>> I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
>>
>> Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
>> Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
>> feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
>> --
>> Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-17 Thread Peter Gold

Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
be visible.

This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
pages and use cropping marks.

HTH

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.
>
> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
> only one of the indicators being visible.
>
> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>
> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
> I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
>
> Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
> Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
> feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
> --
> Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-17 Thread Craig, Alison

Actually, if you find some way to do that, I would find it useful on occasion.

Alison Craig
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From: Framers 
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:24 PM
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Subject: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.

My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
only one of the indicators being visible.

That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
the INDICATOR for F to be visible.

Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.

Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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[Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

2016-11-17 Thread Lin Sims

Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.

My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
only one of the indicators being visible.

That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
the INDICATOR for F to be visible.

Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.

Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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