subject:"\[Framers\] bizarre FM behavior"

Re: [Framers] bizarre FM behavior

2018-04-23 Thread Art Campbell

Check the file/folder ownership and creations times for clues.


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On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 1:52 PM, John Sgammato <john.sgamm...@actifio.com>
wrote:

> That sounds like a good lead... but I mentioned it to the writer, and he
> didn't even know about the Package feature!
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Jeff Coatsworth <
> jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds almost like someone ran the Packager script on the book.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub.com@
> > lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of John Sgammato
> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:14 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] bizarre FM behavior
> >
> > Hit send too soon - here's the whole story:
> >
> > We saw a bizarre thing today with unstructured FM 2015, and we want to
> > figure out what happened. Maybe someone here has seen this?
> >
> > We have a series of books about our support for different cloud vendors
> > (AWS, Azure, GCP, etc)
> >
> > Each book includes:
> >
> >- Title Page
> >- ToC
> >- Preface
> >- \path\Shared File 1
> >- \path\ Shared File 2
> >- Native File
> >- \path\ Shared File 3
> >- \path\ Shared File 4
> >- \path\ Shared File 5
> >
> >
> > The shared files are in a different folder at path. They have content
> that
> > is common for our None of the files have been touched for a few weeks.
> >
> > This morning, the writer opened up one of the books to make some updates,
> > and was shocked to see:
> >
> >- The file structure is flat. All the shared files are in each folder.
> >- The book file points to the now-local files.
> >- The local files are not used to make the book - they are present as
> >Text Insets inside a wrapper. For example, the intro chapter has the
> > right
> >master page, etc, and it has Introduction at the top where the title
> > goes,
> >and then in the main text column, the entire remote chapter is present
> > as a
> >text inset, including the Introduction title. It's as if someone made
> a
> >decision to restructure the book using text insets, but never got
> > around to
> >deleting the first titles.
> >
> > The writer originally set the books up using text insets, but that was
> > long ago, several versions back. The current books have the latest
> > information, so we know we're not looking at the old books.
> > This looks like something that might be done by a script, but I'm the
> only
> > one on the team running any scripts and I never touched these books.
> > Any ideas what's going on?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:56 PM, John Sgammato <
> john.sgamm...@actifio.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > We saw a bizarre thing today, and we want to figure out what happened.
> > > Maybe someone here has seen this?
> > >
> > > We have a book that I'll call sample.book.
> > > Within sample.book are:
> > > Title Page
> > > ToC
> > > Preface
> > > Shared File 1
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > [image: logo]
> > > *John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect*  m 508.927.2083 |
> > > john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com
> > > <http://www.linkedin.com/company-beta/399246/>
> > > <http://twitter.com/actifio>
> > > <http://www.youtube.com/c/Actifio_Official>
> > > <http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Actifio-EI_IE625803.11,1
> > > 8.htm> *Access your enterprise data as a service, instantly anywhere.*
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > [image: logo]
> > *John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect*  m 508.927.2083 |
> > john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com <http://www.linkedin.com/
> > company-beta/399246/> <http://twitter.com/actifio> <
> > http://www.youtube.com/c/Actifio_Official>
> > <http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Actifio-
> > EI_IE625803.11,18.htm>
> > *Access your enterprise data as

Re: [Framers] bizarre FM behavior

2018-04-23 Thread John Sgammato

That sounds like a good lead... but I mentioned it to the writer, and he
didn't even know about the Package feature!

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Jeff Coatsworth <
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:

> Sounds almost like someone ran the Packager script on the book.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub.com@
> lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of John Sgammato
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] bizarre FM behavior
>
> Hit send too soon - here's the whole story:
>
> We saw a bizarre thing today with unstructured FM 2015, and we want to
> figure out what happened. Maybe someone here has seen this?
>
> We have a series of books about our support for different cloud vendors
> (AWS, Azure, GCP, etc)
>
> Each book includes:
>
>- Title Page
>- ToC
>- Preface
>- \path\Shared File 1
>- \path\ Shared File 2
>- Native File
>- \path\ Shared File 3
>- \path\ Shared File 4
>- \path\ Shared File 5
>
>
> The shared files are in a different folder at path. They have content that
> is common for our None of the files have been touched for a few weeks.
>
> This morning, the writer opened up one of the books to make some updates,
> and was shocked to see:
>
>- The file structure is flat. All the shared files are in each folder.
>- The book file points to the now-local files.
>- The local files are not used to make the book - they are present as
>Text Insets inside a wrapper. For example, the intro chapter has the
> right
>master page, etc, and it has Introduction at the top where the title
> goes,
>and then in the main text column, the entire remote chapter is present
> as a
>text inset, including the Introduction title. It's as if someone made a
>decision to restructure the book using text insets, but never got
> around to
>deleting the first titles.
>
> The writer originally set the books up using text insets, but that was
> long ago, several versions back. The current books have the latest
> information, so we know we're not looking at the old books.
> This looks like something that might be done by a script, but I'm the only
> one on the team running any scripts and I never touched these books.
> Any ideas what's going on?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:56 PM, John Sgammato <john.sgamm...@actifio.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > We saw a bizarre thing today, and we want to figure out what happened.
> > Maybe someone here has seen this?
> >
> > We have a book that I'll call sample.book.
> > Within sample.book are:
> > Title Page
> > ToC
> > Preface
> > Shared File 1
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > [image: logo]
> > *John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect*  m 508.927.2083 |
> > john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com
> > <http://www.linkedin.com/company-beta/399246/>
> > <http://twitter.com/actifio>
> > <http://www.youtube.com/c/Actifio_Official>
> > <http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Actifio-EI_IE625803.11,1
> > 8.htm> *Access your enterprise data as a service, instantly anywhere.*
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> [image: logo]
> *John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect*  m 508.927.2083 |
> john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com <http://www.linkedin.com/
> company-beta/399246/> <http://twitter.com/actifio> <
> http://www.youtube.com/c/Actifio_Official>
> <http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Actifio-
> EI_IE625803.11,18.htm>
> *Access your enterprise data as a service, instantly anywhere.*
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Re: [Framers] bizarre FM behavior

2018-04-23 Thread Jeff Coatsworth

Sounds almost like someone ran the Packager script on the book.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
<framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf 
Of John Sgammato
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:14 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
<framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] bizarre FM behavior

Hit send too soon - here's the whole story:

We saw a bizarre thing today with unstructured FM 2015, and we want to figure 
out what happened. Maybe someone here has seen this?

We have a series of books about our support for different cloud vendors (AWS, 
Azure, GCP, etc)

Each book includes:

   - Title Page
   - ToC
   - Preface
   - \path\Shared File 1
   - \path\ Shared File 2
   - Native File
   - \path\ Shared File 3
   - \path\ Shared File 4
   - \path\ Shared File 5


The shared files are in a different folder at path. They have content that is 
common for our None of the files have been touched for a few weeks.

This morning, the writer opened up one of the books to make some updates, and 
was shocked to see:

   - The file structure is flat. All the shared files are in each folder.
   - The book file points to the now-local files.
   - The local files are not used to make the book - they are present as
   Text Insets inside a wrapper. For example, the intro chapter has the right
   master page, etc, and it has Introduction at the top where the title goes,
   and then in the main text column, the entire remote chapter is present as a
   text inset, including the Introduction title. It's as if someone made a
   decision to restructure the book using text insets, but never got around to
   deleting the first titles.

The writer originally set the books up using text insets, but that was long 
ago, several versions back. The current books have the latest information, so 
we know we're not looking at the old books.
This looks like something that might be done by a script, but I'm the only one 
on the team running any scripts and I never touched these books.
Any ideas what's going on?


On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:56 PM, John Sgammato <john.sgamm...@actifio.com>
wrote:

> We saw a bizarre thing today, and we want to figure out what happened.
> Maybe someone here has seen this?
>
> We have a book that I'll call sample.book.
> Within sample.book are:
> Title Page
> ToC
> Preface
> Shared File 1
>
>
> --
>
> [image: logo]
> *John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect*  m 508.927.2083 | 
> john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/company-beta/399246/>
> <http://twitter.com/actifio> 
> <http://www.youtube.com/c/Actifio_Official>
> <http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Actifio-EI_IE625803.11,1
> 8.htm> *Access your enterprise data as a service, instantly anywhere.*
>



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[image: logo]
*John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect*  m 508.927.2083 | 
john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com 
<http://www.linkedin.com/company-beta/399246/> <http://twitter.com/actifio> 
<http://www.youtube.com/c/Actifio_Official>
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Re: [Framers] bizarre FM behavior

2018-04-23 Thread John Sgammato

Hit send too soon - here's the whole story:

We saw a bizarre thing today with unstructured FM 2015, and we want to
figure out what happened. Maybe someone here has seen this?

We have a series of books about our support for different cloud vendors
(AWS, Azure, GCP, etc)

Each book includes:

   - Title Page
   - ToC
   - Preface
   - \path\Shared File 1
   - \path\ Shared File 2
   - Native File
   - \path\ Shared File 3
   - \path\ Shared File 4
   - \path\ Shared File 5

The shared files are in a different folder at path. They have content that
is common for our None of the files have been touched for a few weeks.

This morning, the writer opened up one of the books to make some updates,
and was shocked to see:

   - The file structure is flat. All the shared files are in each folder.
   - The book file points to the now-local files.
   - The local files are not used to make the book - they are present as
   Text Insets inside a wrapper. For example, the intro chapter has the right
   master page, etc, and it has Introduction at the top where the title goes,
   and then in the main text column, the entire remote chapter is present as a
   text inset, including the Introduction title. It's as if someone made a
   decision to restructure the book using text insets, but never got around to
   deleting the first titles.

The writer originally set the books up using text insets, but that was long
ago, several versions back. The current books have the latest information,
so we know we're not looking at the old books.
This looks like something that might be done by a script, but I'm the only
one on the team running any scripts and I never touched these books.
Any ideas what's going on?

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:56 PM, John Sgammato 
wrote:

> We saw a bizarre thing today, and we want to figure out what happened.
> Maybe someone here has seen this?
>
> We have a book that I'll call sample.book.
> Within sample.book are:
> Title Page
> ToC
> Preface
> Shared File 1
>
>
> --
>
> [image: logo]
> *John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect*
>  m 508.927.2083 | john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com
> 
>  
> 
> *Access your enterprise data as a service, instantly anywhere.*
>

-- 

[image: logo]
*John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect*
 m 508.927.2083 | john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com

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[Framers] bizarre FM behavior

2018-04-23 Thread John Sgammato

We saw a bizarre thing today, and we want to figure out what happened.
Maybe someone here has seen this?

We have a book that I'll call sample.book.
Within sample.book are:
Title Page
ToC
Preface
Shared File 1


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 m 508.927.2083 | john.sgamm...@actifio.com | actifio.com
 


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