RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-23 Thread Davis, David
or Pantone material in your PDF). From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] Sent: 22 October 2014 15:35 To: Davis, David; framers Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query Yes, I think color conversions are that complex. RGB was designed for monitors allowing a broad range of additive colors

RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-22 Thread Davis, David
' craig...@hotmail.com Cc: 'framers' framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query Message-ID: 00a601cfec93$39b38e10$ad1aaa30$@grafikhuset.dk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It?s definitely NOT easy to explain this. Color conversions are COMPLEX. Anyway, RGB - CMYK

RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-22 Thread Craig Ede
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:34:52 -0500 Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query Are colour conversions really that complex? They're just converting colour coordinates in one colour-space to those in another, using some straightforward formulae that are hidden under the hood. (The choice of formula

Re: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
to the screen. Craig From: david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:34:52 -0500 Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query Are colour conversions really that complex? They're just converting colour coordinates in one colour-space to those

RE: . PDF query

2014-10-21 Thread Davis, David
to work in a better way, then I agree ☺ *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail From: Scott Turner [mailto:qui...@airmail.net] Sent: 20 October 2014 22:46 To: Davis, David Cc: Lin Sims; Böðvar Björgvinsson; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: . PDF query The reason

RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-21 Thread Davis, David
:35:13 -0500 From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com To: i...@heiko-haida.de i...@heiko-haida.de, framers framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query Message-ID: blu178-w356587e62833bd2edce694d5...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Given

RE: . PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Davis, David
+ From: Denis Daly d.d...@icpnewtech.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF query Message-ID: e2684a3ed8374ac79e0450223f494...@am3pr01mb0646.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, My name is Denis Daly. I

RE: PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Davis, David
Indeed - A pity none of these experts ever manage to get their expert opinion manifested in the FrameMaker user guide / online help, though! David Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:31:08 -0500 From: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF query

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2014-10-20 Thread Denis Daly
October 2014 08:56 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: . PDF query Dennis, You're not the first person to report this problem. I doubt you're doing anything wrong, it's just FrameMaker being buggy. I'd encourage you to report it at Adobe's bug report page https://www.adobe.com/cfusion

RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Craig Ede
Given the theoretical differences I'm not sure why you would expect RGB output of CMYK colors to be close to what CMYK color should looks like. Think of it this way, if you choose a Pantone color as a spot color, you'd expect it to print exactly like as that Pantone color to paper. But to the

RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Heiko Haida
Well, Craig, thats easy to explain: When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour will not change its screen representation if I switch from CMYK definition to RGB definition. That is not a miracle or a question of who knows (these programs use HSB definitions, and obviously the conversion

Re: . PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
to report it at Adobe's bug report page https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform Message: 1 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:31:14 + From: Denis Daly d.d...@icpnewtech.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF query Message-ID

Re: . PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Mike Wickham
On 10/20/2014 3:33 AM, Denis Daly wrote: We will eventually wish to send to a print company though. I hope Adobe are able to fix this bug. Here are a few tips if you plan to send to a print company: 1. Use EPS or PDF graphics. FrameMaker normally passes everything through the Windows GDI,

Re: . PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Lin Sims
report page https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform Message: 1 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:31:14 + From: Denis Daly d.d...@icpnewtech.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF query Message-ID

RE: . PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Davis, David
reason it still hasn’t made it into the actual FrameMaker help files. I’m undecided as to which scenario is to more annoying ☺ From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 October 2014 15:59 To: Böðvar Björgvinsson Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: . PDF query My

RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Grafikhuset
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heiko Haida Sent: 20. oktober 2014 16:22 To: Craig Ede Cc: framers Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query Well, Craig, thats easy to explain: When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour

RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Heiko Haida
: framers SUBJECT: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query Well, Craig, thats easy to explain: When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour will not change its screen representation if I switch from CMYK definition to RGB definition. That is not a miracle or a question of who knows (these programs use

Re: . PDF query

2014-10-20 Thread Scott Turner
To: Böðvar Björgvinsson Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: . PDF query My recollection may be faulty, but I seem to recall Dov Isaacs saying the issues with Save As PDF had been fixed a while ago. Now if they can just fix the broken Esc keyboard shortcuts. Lin

RE: FM as PDF gold standard RE: PDF query

2014-10-19 Thread Craig Ede
-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:40 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM as PDF gold standard RE: PDF query Craig, It sounds like you got hit with the Windows XP bug that caused intermittent, unexplained dropping of text

CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-19 Thread Craig Ede
, 2014 6:32 PM To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: PDF query Same here with Save as PDF, except that with FM 12, it seems that I also need to select the RGB checkbox option to make it work correctly. The CMYK option does _not_ work properly. I will see if I can find

Re: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

2014-10-19 Thread Heiko Haida
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:32 PM To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: RE: PDF query Same here with Save as PDF, except that with FM 12, it seems that I also need to select the RGB checkbox option to make it work correctly. The CMYK option

RE: PDF query

2014-10-18 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF query Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so buggy that all experts recommended against using it. Mike Wickham On 10/17/2014 4:46 PM, Lin Sims wrote: Frame to PDF used to be the gold standard for PDF

FM as PDF gold standard RE: PDF query

2014-10-18 Thread Craig Ede
-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:31 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF query Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so buggy that all experts recommended

Re: FM as PDF gold standard RE: PDF query

2014-10-18 Thread Mike Wickham
Craig, It sounds like you got hit with the Windows XP bug that caused intermittent, unexplained dropping of text in PDFs. As I recall, the problem was with the MS Postscript processor. There was a Microsoft hotfix issued to deal with it. At the time, the problem and fix were pretty well

Re: PDF query

2014-10-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
At least from FM6 on, I had zero problems with Save as PDF so long as Distiller / Adobe PDF was selected as the printer and I used the same file name as the .book I was saving. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold

RE: PDF query

2014-10-18 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Same here with Save as PDF, except that with FM 12, it seems that I also need to select the RGB checkbox option to make it work correctly. The CMYK option does _not_ work properly. I will see if I can find the test documents I sent to Adobe and post them here later ... Z Robert Lauriston

PDF query

2014-10-17 Thread Denis Daly
Hi, My name is Denis Daly. I have recently started using FrameMaker. I have had an odd issue today. I saved an individual chapter as a PDF and about 40% of the images were not present. They are available in the 'Graphics' folder. I resaved and the same thing happened. I then saved a third

PDF Query from Denis Daly

2014-10-17 Thread Graham, Jasmine S
@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF query Message-ID: e2684a3ed8374ac79e0450223f494...@am3pr01mb0646.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, My name is Denis Daly. I have recently started using FrameMaker. I have had an odd issue today. I

RE: PDF query

2014-10-17 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
of PDF generation from FrameMaker at this point. Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Denis Daly Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 5:31 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF query Hi, My name is Denis Daly. I have recently

disappearing graphics in PDF WAS: PDF query

2014-10-17 Thread Craig Ede
ago to Denis, but since the discussion continues. From: d.d...@icpnewtech.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF query Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:31:14 + Hi, My name is Denis Daly. I have recently started using FrameMaker. I have had

Re: PDF query

2014-10-17 Thread Mike Wickham
Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so buggy that all experts recommended against using it. Mike Wickham On 10/17/2014 4:46 PM, Lin Sims wrote: Frame to PDF used to be the gold standard for PDF production. :( ___